The Peter Pan Texans
I connected with the emotional side of my fandom much more than I usually do after this Sunday's latest loss. I want to say in advance that yesterday changed absolutely nothing about the Texans in the grand scheme of things. It doesn't change the fact that they are one of two teams that are any good in a terrible division, nor does it eliminate their hopes of the playoffs. The Ravens may end up having one of the better defenses in recent NFL history this season, the Texans played without Andre Johnson or Mario Williams, and a win on the road against a formidable foe would have changed the way people around the NFL see the Texans.
But, they lost. And since the Texans lost, things just stayed the same.
Other columnists have keyed in these headlines before: "Same Old Texans," "Texans Blow Lead Again," and the like. I know I'm treading on oversaturated ground. I kept my expectations low for the beginning of the season, and thought that seeing the Texans come out of the opening six games of the season at .500 would be a goal.
But that was back before I underestimated Wade Phillips and his ability to generate pressure. Even without Williams around, our witchdoctor dialed up two sacks and constant knockdowns for Joe Flacco, kept Ray Rice in check until the final drive of the game, and allowed the Ravens to convert just three third downs the entire game. Three third downs was a quarter under the Frank Bush regime, and Phillips is still dealing with assorted roster chaff that was left on the roster from that disaster (Hello, Kareem Jackson!)
No, what stung the most about this loss was that in a gut-check game against a real contender, the Texans' offense simply didn't execute. With most Texans losses over the past couple of years, you almost expect to come upon some great play of woe and misfortune where you can focus your misery. There were no Matt Schaub throws that left you tearing out your hair, no major coaching quibbles or challenges, no turnovers, not one player that you could point to and say "this guy cost us the game*" -- even the oft-critiqued Jacoby Jones had a moment in the sun.
*-I know some of you are going to say "What about Arian Foster?" I still think that has more to do with misuse and defenses keying up on him than poor play or phantom injuries he may or may not have. Perhaps time will prove me wrong on this, but I think Andre Johnson's return will open things back up for him.
No, instead this was a clear case of the Texans' offense not being good enough to get it done against a real defense. It might be for a different reason, but the record keeps skipping.
Look, Texans, here's what you need to know about this fanbase right now: We're eager to support a winning team. Desperate, even. When you look at the state of the NBA Lockout and the ... thing ... that used to be the Houston Astros, this fanbase needs something to grab onto in the worst way.
You just won't let it be that easy. The air around the traditional media is practically poisoned with sarcasm and distrust from the million times before where they thought they could trust you. I don't know if that is a reflection on the coach, the general atmosphere at Reliant, or something that just naturally builds up when a team can't propel themselves to the next level. But whatever it is, it will only go away when your team emphatically makes it go away.
After the game, Paul Kuharsky got this quote from Kevin Walter:
"We feel we are a playoff-caliber team, we deserve to be one."
With all due respect: No. No, you do not. Playoff berths in the NFL aren't handed out like Halloween candy. If you want one, win a game that matters convincingly, then keep that forward momentum going. You played a Pittsburgh team at its worst -- one that was starting Maurkice Pouncey and four bar stools-- at home, and barely won. Your other two wins came against a pair of teams that have no wins to their name yet.
And sure, maybe the general state of the AFC South is so bad that you can win anyway. Is that what you want to be known as? The 9-7 team out of the weakest division in the NFL that needed to spend $50 million guaranteed in free agency to be able to tack "one terrible beatdown in the playoffs" on Andre Johnson's resume?
Because right now, that is what you are. I've come to terms with it. I'm not mad, I don't hate you for it -- I certainly can't say I'm bored with it because you manage to keep mixing up the reasons for the inevitable loss to the better team so well.
But through six games, every positive vibe I get comes with reservations that you've done little to handle. Point to the injuries all you want, but every team has to deal with them, and when you're shuffling through guys like Trindon Holliday, Lawrence Vickers, and Bryant Johnson, it is plainly obvious that you haven't developed the depth to deal with said injuries despite them being a fact of NFL life. Heck, all you really need to do to see that is look at cornerback, where first-rounder Jackson doesn't even belong on the field over free talent Jason Allen. Point to the circumstances, and all you have to blame are yourselves. The last time I can remember this team being completely defeated and out of a game was the 2009 season opener against the Jets. The last time I can remember the Texans throwing away a winnable game was eight times a season.
You know what you deserve, Mr. Walter? The title of "The Peter Pan Texans". If you don't like that one, play your way off of it this week in Tennessee. Then keep it going, for a change.
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the walter quote
reminds me of last year after they went on that stretch losing the close games to san diego, jacksonville and new york. It almost sounds helpless, kind of sad really.
"We're goin with what we got"
by silentassassin on Oct 17, 2011 10:34 AM CDT reply actions
I have been trying to describe how I feel about the Texans thus far
And sure, maybe the general state of the AFC South is so bad that you can win anyway. Is that what you want to be known as? The 9-7 team out of the weakest division in the NFL that needed to spend $50 million guaranteed in free agency to be able to tack “one terrible beatdown in the playoffs” on Andre Johnson’s resume?
And that did it. This is why I feel like we have underachieved thus far even if they win next week. I don’t want the Texans to be “that team that won a bad division” in the playoffs, I want them to BELONG there. Maybe I am wanting too much, maybe at this point I should just be happy with a playoff appearance. I don’t know…
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
by Mumford on Oct 17, 2011 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
great post and rec'd
You know, maybe I ask too much. Maybe “just” making the playoffs is progress and others can accept it as an improvement. I ask the question; “What is the point of making the playoffs?” It is to win championships. If they are not going to be a credible contender for a championship, what’s the point? Oh my we might have a chance to be on top of the worst division in the league one season for the first playoff appearance. Lame.
I’ve been in Kubiak’s corner from the beginning. At some point though we have to ask ourselves how a coach comes out of Stanford and takes over the abysmal 49’ers and in ONE season has them playing like championship contenders sitting at 5-1. He may not know good sportsmanship after winning, but he knows how to win!
The Texans 2011 Defense is evolving into an epic force to be reckoned with. I dub thee "Bayou Blitz", but the Offense is DEVOLVING into a dreadful mess. I dub thee: "Schaub's Swamp of Suck"
Harbaugh's not doing anything miraculous in San Francisco at all
The 49ers have always had a top-10 defense and that side of the ball is delivering. They always lacked an offensive identity in the Alex Smith era. They changed schemes and coordinators like underwear. Harbaugh’s given them a conservative west coast offense…where Frank Gore shoulders the load and Alex Smith makes safe, easy throws.
Combine that with a fairly easy schedule and you get a 5-1 team. It’s not magic or miraculous.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Oct 17, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
They smashed the Bucs
And beat an undefeated Lions team in Detroit. That does deserve credit. The Texans have had easy schedules too and have never started 5-1 in the Kubiak era. In fact, I believe the only time they have had any 6 game stretch that good was the end of 2009/beginning of 2010. Even in “should win” games you still have to handle your business, which the Texans did not do against the Raiders. I had yesterday down as an L, so I am not that upset about the result. However, scoring 14 points to me is not acceptable, even without AJ.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
I disagree.
Harbaugh turned Smith into a functional nfl qb. That is saying something. And there run game was nonexistent for the past couple of seasons (at least not to this extent.) To bring this kind of stability and belief in a team that was expected to be in the mix for Andrew Luck is saying something. Let’s not get sour grapes b/c we can’t do what they are doing.
The run game was bad because the line was bad. They drafted linemen last year who went through growing pains and are now showing the benefits of investing in the line.
Smith was always functional, he just never had a consistent offensive plan.
It’s not sour grapes at all, I’m thrilled, as a 49ers fan, for the success but anyone acting as if Harbaugh pulled a wand out of his ass doesn’t realize what’s really gone on over the past 9 or so years there.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Oct 17, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
There roster is almost intact from last season and the one big change is the change in coaching
How can you not give him credit? And, you are a Niner fan? Something is not making sense here.
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by Rip Jersey on Oct 17, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He doesn't deserve all the credit
A lot of pieces were in place before his arrival. The only thing missing was someone who could come in with a clear offensive plan to save the organization from the bumbling Singletary who had 0 idea what to do on offense.
Harbaugh’s helped, but he’s not the sole savior…anyone pointing to this as an example that “changing the head coach equals winning” doesn’t get the full story at all. Harbaugh’s helped, but he didn’t step into a bad situation or franchise at all.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I give him a lot of the credit
He is the Head Coach. Much of the blame or credit gets heaped on that guy and deservedly so. They weren’t a winning team before he arrived and now they are. Of course he shouldn’t get “all” the credit. You say it’s a good franchise. Well, they made a good move getting rid of Singletary and bringing in Harbaugh.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
you basically described
why Harbaugh SHOULD be praised.
“A lot of pieces were in place before his arrival. The only thing missing was someone who could come in with a clear offensive plan to save the organization from the bumbling Singletary who had 0 idea what to do on offense.”
Is he the savior? I’m not sure anyone is implying that he is the sole reason. But he is a very, very big part of it.
For what? Having an offensive game plan and sticking to it?
He gets credit, but the defense is the strength of the team, has carried the team, and been in place for years. He’s a part of it, but he’s not a “very, very big part of it” or the guy who should be glorified. This is where overrating comes into play. It’s six games….let them run into some adversity first before we crown the guy the next Lombardi.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Didn't the defense lose several starters this off-season?
They’re starting new guys at CB, FS, OLB, ILB, and NT. They also have a new defensive coordinator. Not much continuity there.
It's a 3-4, pretty much the same scheme they ran last year anchored by 2 Pro Bowlers
The only “new” guys are at CB, FS, and OLB….brought in by the draft. and free agency, as would happen normally. The guys at ILB and NT were back-ups last year.
"Lord, beer me strength."
New, as in new starters.
Five new starters is a massive overhaul. Having back-ups replace a great (albeit aging) ILB, one of the best run-stuffing NTs in football, and a very productive pass rusher isn’t an easy task. And the free agency acquisitions they made in the secondary have both underperformed of late on other teams.
Justin Smith and Patrick Willis are elite, but Harbaugh has everybody else on that defense playing above their talent levels.
Yep, plus new OC and DC from Stanford.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
come on DC
now you’re blowing everyone’s words out of proportion. Noone is crowning him the “next Lombardi.” I understand you’re being dramatic out of effect, but that is ultimately ALL the coach is responsible for: implementing a game plan and following through with it. He has instilled competency into his qb, he has given his players reason to buy into his program.
I definitely agree with giving him time before we “crown” him, but so far: job well done. This whole thread started in reference to teams that made a quick turnaround based off of a coaching change. Harbaugh, Morris, Schwartz, and Gailey were all given as examples. I think thus far, we can say with some confidence that they all changed their respective franchises faster in more dramatic fashion.
We can argue the quality of rosters prior to each coaching move, and I understand the Texans’ roster was completely bad when Kubiak inherited the team, so naturally it will take time to improve. But 6 years is ample time, and he has not delivered.
SF probably had more talent overall...
Than the Texans had during Kubiak’s tenure.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
It's not even as if the team was bad
They were expected to win the West last season.
"Lord, beer me strength."
And their division is shit
So it’s not like they’re world beaters either. They’ll come crashing back down to Earth soon enough.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
I agree about their division
And they did lose to the Cowboys who have not looked that impressive thus far, but there is still something to be said about winning the games you should. The Texans still appear to have trouble doing that.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
I don't think the Texans lose any games they should win.
They beat the teams they should: Manningless Colts, Phins, and Steelers.
I just think they lose games that they are not absolute favorites.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 17, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
No way you can say that the Raiders was not a should win game
At home and they are the more talented team, even without AJ.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
That's exactly what I'm saying.
The Raiders have two losses to teams much better than we are, and they have the league’s leading rusher.
I think they’re better right now.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 17, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
The leading rusher who we shut down
There are no guarantees in the NFL, but I would be willing to bet that 90% of people marked that down as a W when they were looking at the schedule, hence it is a should win game to me. And if the Raiders at home is not a should win game for us, then we are not very good.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
I feel like you're underselling the raiders.
They shut down our best players as well.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 17, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Not at all
I think the Raiders are a good team. I just think the Texans are a better team and were at home to boot. They should have won.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
Yes, he's underselling the raiders
This is the NFL. There is a very slim margin between talent on most teams and the Raiders are no exception. They were good before Campbell went down. Now I think we’ll see them drop off.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
I'm not underselling anyone
There may be a slim margin of talent, but the Texans are the better team IMO. And they were at home, thus it was a “should win” game.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
Who says we're the better team?
Based on what, your opinion? Statistics? Well opinions and statistics don’t lace up on Sundays. In the NFL all teams have talent. The ones who win are the ones who can put it all together and right now the Raiders have and we haven’t. At least that was until their QB went down. Now I think we’ll see a significant drop off.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
^this.
no doubt Mumford. If we can’t say we’re better than the Raiders, than that only speaks volumes about getting rid of Kubiak, if a 1st year coach inheriting one of the worst teams in the NFL last season can make them better than us at home within the first 5 games of this season.
If we concede the Raiders are better…then we’re conceding Kubiak is obsolete. However, I’m sure Garcia isn’t doing that.
"ALL the coach is responsible for: implementing a game plan and following through with it."
Someone said that once…
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
ya
but consistent losing would imply that the game plan isn’t being implemented. or is being implemented poorly.
Well...
The other side of that, let’s call it the “Frank Bush Method” suggests that perhaps it WAS implemented fully, but it just sucked monkey balls at a cellular level.
I think it’s just hard to be consistently good in the NFL, and it takes a weekly perfect storm, where even a slightly miscalculated phase can derail a W to an L.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
I also disagree
That Buffalo is “much better” than we are. I don’t think they are better at all, let alone much better.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
Record says otherwise.
So do quality of wins.
Trust me, I don’t want the Bills to be better than us, but you’d be ignoring the facts to think otherwise.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 17, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
You could have said the same thing
About the 2009 Broncos. They started 6-0 and I remember everyone was in awe. Then they came back down to earth and finished 2-8. I think the Bills are a great story this year, but I also think they finish 8-8 at best.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
That's purely speculative.
Currently, most facts point to both the Raiders and the Bills as better teams than the Texans.
Just because our offense used to be great doesn’t mean it is right now. We’re sputtering. There’s no reason to think we’re better than those teams or more talented.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 17, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course it is, it's an opinion
I don’t think the Bills are better than us and I think their record, while impressive thus far, will prove it once the season has run its course.They score a lot of points and have a terrible D, which unless you are the Patriots is not a good formula for continued success (see 2010 Texans). And when you look at the players on our offense Schaub, Johnson, Daniels, Foster, etc. I would say we are definitely more talented. I would agree with the sputtering part though.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
So you're claiming the Bills...
Are the 2010 Texans?
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 17, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you just messing with me now?
No I am not claiming they are the 2010 Texans, I am using the 2010 Texans as an example of good O + terrible D is not a sustainable formula for winning.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
I'm certainly not messing with you.
But if you think the Bills are going to fall apart, there’s a lot of comparisons to be drawn.
Our opinions differ. Nothing is wrong with that.
I sure hope we’re better.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 17, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok I misread your comment
My mistake. I do not think the Bills will come apart as bad as the Texans did last year, but yes there are a lot of similarities. Both 4-2, both good Os and bad Ds, etc. I think they will finish more along the lines of 8-8, going 4-6 the rest of the way. But I will be cheering for them, I like underdogs.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
Watching them yesterday....
I’d agree with this. They have an explosive offense, but the defense leaves much to be desired. I’d probably peg them at around .500…..and next year they should be a playoff team with a continued influx of defensive talent and depth.
"Lord, beer me strength."
besides
We have little room calling other divisions shit. Ours is one of the worst in football this year.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
Who said I was comparing?
The conversation is about the Raiders, thus my comment was about their division.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
it's not miraculous?????
are you kidding? the freakin 9rs are 5 and 1. winning with alex smith in itself is as crazy as winning with david carr. that team was a train wreck and somehow, someone named harbaugh is overachieving to standard noone that was possible.
if that’s not miraculous. what do you call the texans sittin at 3-3, with great free agent moves, great new DC, and a team and offense that knows there system well and have been a top 5 offense.
what Harbaugh has done to this point is the more ridiculous than anything i could of made up before the season started.
Don't ask me! Ask Google, you dumb Yahoo! bada Bing
It wasn’t a train wreck. The defense is stout, has been stout. The offense had no direction, was changing philosophies from week to week. Harbaugh’s had an offensive plan (a west coast offense which is typically what the Niners have always run) and stuck to it as opposed to Singletary who went from Spread to Power Run to back and forth.
As for Alex Smith, the Niners attempt the fewest passes per game. That goes to show how much Alex Smith is involved. They limit it.
"Lord, beer me strength."
totally totally agree
I feel that way as well. And when fans say, “it was expected” or “we were supposed to lose,” it drives me INSANE. While I understand the circumstances were not in our favor for winning this game, that should not breed this culture of, “unless we feel we are better than ‘x’ team, then we shouldn’t expect a victory.” That is completely ludicrous. As fans, we expect to be competitive in every game, and we expect to win games like this to finally prove to other teams that we are for real.
B/c too often we DO NOT do it. And, it’s a damn shame. This team has the talent to make it happen, but due to certain cough cough inadequacies, it isn’t happening. It’s time to address THOSE shortcomings and start to control this division.
Before @Baltimore
I had a positive attitude and knew that it was a winnable game. But the fact is for every football team in the NFL right now that @Baltimore is also a very Losable game. Not just for the Texans. So its not AS disappointing as say, a home loss to Oakland. Again, Next week is a big week for us. I understand though, Every game is a winnable game for us this season so anything less than a W is a disappointment.
I've said this as well.
This week’s loss was not as bad as last week. I’m ready to move on and look forward to the Titans. But, if we can’t beat the Titans next week. I’m ready to ride off the season.
We kept it competitive.
At the end of the day, Baltimore never pulled away until the fourth quarter.
I think we stood a chance against the best team in the AFC.
Also, I’m beginning the think that all of our problems originate at the offensive line. I don’t think both Schaub and Foster are trash.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 17, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Lets look at this....
Who caused most of our offensive penalties…. Winston and Dresson….they both continually game after game get calls… Winston I think gets tired easily and Dresson needs blocking 101….
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
Speaking of penalties
Did anyone actually see the second personal foul on Antonio? The first seemed legit. The second we never really saw, and if it was a bogus penalty it contributed to the first TD.
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Oct 17, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
On that play I saw a player from baltimore drop an elbow and there wasn't a call for that.
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
On that play I saw a player from baltimore drop an elbow and there wasn't a call for that.
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
Anything can happen once you get into the playoffs
Green Bay was a 9-7 team last year riddled with injuries, & they won the Super Bowl. Seattle was 7-9 & they still managed to win a playoff game. The Falcons went 13-3 & got knocked out in the first round. I don’t care how we get to the playoffs, just as long as we get there. Once there, it’s anybody’s guess who will win it all
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Oct 17, 2011 10:51 AM CDT reply actions 8 recs
exactly
Although “stumbling” into the playoffs(like I anticipate the Texans doing unless the last two weeks were an aberration) doesn’t inspire confidence, it can all change on a whim once they get there, especially at home.
"We're goin with what we got"
by silentassassin on Oct 17, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
that's fine.
But in the same token: Kansas City made the playoffs last year and are terrible this season (and will probably fire Haley), 2 seasons ago Cincy had a home playoff game against the Jets and got their skulls bashed, and didn’t recover last season. The Titans went 13-3 one season, flirted with an undefeated season, and then they came crashing back down to earth. For every instance you gave, I can give you one where there are “anomalous” playoff teams that never found ways to capitalize on success and sustain it form year to year.
It’s a gentle equilibrium, I agree, to build a consistent powerhouse type winner. However, if this regime has taught us anything: we are not that winner right now. And CHANCES are we will never be with Kubiak running the show. I think that is a more practical conclusion than the one many fans WISH to reach, which is: “we’re knocking on the door, we’re almost there, anything can happen!” U can pray in one hand and….u know the rest.
by wiseonekms on Oct 17, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Why Kubiak?
Why not Schaub, who’s been here one season less than Gary? Or Andre?
Honestly, I’m going with Schaub. I just don’t think he’s got the makeup to be better than good for more than a game at a time, but he’s too good to replace when we have all the gaping holes Casserly left. I do not dislike Matt, but we’re stuck with where he’s gonna take us, and it’s not going to be pretty, based on what he’s shown up to this point.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
right
so we need to develop a contingency plan starting this season. I can live with Schaub for a year more, afterwards, it’s time to develop a young QB and see where he takes us.
They've been developing young QBs.
Again, I don’t dislike Matt. Our hands are just tied until the other, bigger holes are filled.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
TJ Yates?
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Oct 18, 2011 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Green Bay was 10-6. And was 3rd in DVOA.
Seattle is now one of the worst teams in the NFL.
Here’s my point though: the Texans, should they make the playoffs in my hypothetical 9-7 year, are going to play a team that is better than them. They hardly ever beat teams that are better than them, though homefield would help.
I understand the coin sometimes turns up heads, but do you really trust that sort of Texans team to win that game? The game after? I sure as hell don’t.
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by riversmccown on Oct 17, 2011 6:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Very nice post
But, I am not penciling in the Texans for any division championship. You say nothing has changed. That is very, very true.
I see what you did here. You are a fan with tempered expectations, as you should be. You can’t pencil in anything when it comes to the Texans and that is what Kevin Walter’s remark might assume to do. He said it, but we all know better. The playoffs may not be coming to Houston or maybe they will.
Sure the Texans are one of the two best teams in the division. But we all know that there are no guarantees when divisional foes meet, be it at home or away. The Texans have five more games against divisional foes.
Tampa Bay and Atlanta are on the menu. No pushovers there. Those are two teams who are of the type that typically give the Texans trouble. I don’t rule out any of the other teams in the Texans schedule. This is the NFL. There are few pushovers.
So, Kevin Walter’s words could be somewhat disconcerting. I can only assume they were words to rally his teammates, that he hasn’t given up hope, and not words of braggadocio or any kind of false presumption of ownership. Because you are right, division championships aren’t handed out like Halloween candy and if he really meant that, then the trick might be on him.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
yep.
totally agree. It’s time to lace them up and go to work. The Texans are very good at playing the “we still have a chance” card. Well, the opportunity is presenting itself. Time to make it happen.
You reminded me
Why the hell did they activate Trindon Holliday last week just to have Manning and Jacoby return kicks anyway? What the hell was the point?
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
My guess, as a precaution if Jones or Manning start looking too tired to play their normal spots
Then they’ll use him in the remaining games to take over those jobs. Also maybe to get him more reps during practice this week
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Oct 17, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Holliday was inactive for the game after being placed on the roster, I think is what was in question
And, I agree with that. Why put him on the roster if there was no intent of him playing. But, you know what, even if he was active, what do we really expect from him? I expect that he is a fumble risk, so I question why they would put him on the roster in the first place.
Being on the Practice Squad, from where he was brought up, he would be able to get as many reps as they want to give him.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
However if you kept him on the practice squad, but then he looked like he was ready to take over the return responsibilities, they'd have to cut someone right before the game
Right now, if they think he’s ready, they just put him on the active roster & plug him in
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Oct 17, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Therein lies my WTH moment
“if they think he’s ready”
If it comes to that, they are really desperate.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
They could also use Holiday on screens and streaks...
HELL… He is possiblly the fastest man in the NFL……You pay the man Rick…make him earn it.
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
I would rather throw a screen or streak to Vickers....
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
@Baltimore
Was expected. What makes next week @Tenn. Huge was the loss against Oak. at home. Still early, but i feel like next week (if AJ returns) will show what kind of a team we are looking at this season.
Yes, also the Texans need James Casey back
I really think he is a key element to the success of this offense. He can be key in the red zone where the Texans are having problems.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I think
We are seeing why Vickers was available.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
Is there any word yet for sure
on the return of AJ and Casey? I agree. I think a big part of our Redzone issues has just been the fact that our Star players have not been able to all play in the same game. I know no excuses BUT losing Foster and then losing AJ (cant even really count Mario cause he is out for the season and we will have to play without him) is just huge.
Just keep tuning in here at BRB and I'm sure their status will be talked about
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I agree
with your red-zone situation assessment. I don’t think its an excuse, but it is a possible explanation.
"We're goin with what we got"
by silentassassin on Oct 17, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Good write up
your team is still working on everything, I’m sorry but Rome wasn’t built in a day, you need a bit more leadership on your team, or maybe it’s the head coach, talent-wise you have been the top of our division for a while, but you never won any games… Why, well idk, but I know both teams are gonna be clawing for wins this Sunday in Nashville, and it’s gonna be a treat to watch
I Bleed Two tone blue...
NO REALLY I LITERALLY BLEED TWO TONE BLUE!!! That operation to dye my blood was the best $100,000 I ever spent
by Grimerz757 on Oct 17, 2011 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for a good post, honest opinion, pleasant delivery (non-troll)
It’s always a pleasure to interact with good folks from any fan point of view. I agree that both teams will be clawing it out for a much needed win to establish the cornerstone of the season going forward.
OT
Rams trade a conditional 6th for Brandon Lloyd per Mortenson. Wish we had done that instead of Mason
by LouisianaTexan on Oct 17, 2011 12:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
i would have given a 5th to a 4...
See that quietness around here? That calm demeanor right now that all the Texans are feeling?
Thats the calm before the storm. Watch out Titans!!!
by Carter Liles on Oct 17, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I didn’t want texans to do it cause they were wanting a 3rd and 5th or something like that. Woulda definately pulled the trigger on it for a 6th
by Dmo_Htx on Oct 17, 2011 12:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Rams get an NFC discount.
Alcohol is necessary so that a man can have a good opinion of himself, undisturbed by the facts.
In response to all those saying "We'll be better when we get AJ back" or something like that.
Are we saying that we can’t win without him? Because if so, we’re in deep trouble, because he has injury troubles nearly every season now.
We are supposed to have depth at receiver if we are to be successful. Depth at every position, in fact. All the good teams do. Quarterback is the only position on the field where you might say “We can’t win without him” Even then, I give you New England, where Brady went down and Cassel stepped in and they won games.
I love AJ. I totally get the intangibles he brings, and the fact of his talent level being so elite. I really do. But the fact is that the offense should produce whether he is in there or not. The coaches are supposed to make adjustments to fit the strengths of the players they DO have. The players themselves are supposed to be skilled enough, even as backups, to contribute toward winning.
This is not about whether or not we should’ve beaten Baltimore. Maybe so, maybe not. We haz issues, and that’s a fact. I just detected an undercurrent here and there of wanting to excuse our shortcomings with the lack of Andre. If one receiver makes the difference between winning and losing, we’re dead already.
"The best thing about being a cynic......is that you are never surprised." ~Anonymous
"Don't get yourself a bunch of tricky plays.......get yourself a bunch of tricky players." `Paul "Bear" Bryant
by Christopher H on Oct 17, 2011 12:43 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
We were able to win last year without AJ, so we can certainly do it.
AFAICT, Walter has done well the last couple of weeks, but we all know how poorly JJ did against the Raiders. Don’t underestimate the impact of losing Casey as well, since I think at least the fans expected him to help out more in AJ’s absence. You can only lose so many pieces at one time.
I keep coming back to my O-line concerns. With AJ in the game, I think some of whatever is wrong with the O-line is being masked since he takes some of the pressure away.
But where was OD yesterday? He didn’t seem to do much yesterday.
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Oct 17, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
On one play
He was knocked down while 10 yds down the field on a pass play while the ball was in the air -
I am now drinking the koolaid. Texans are making their turn for the best. Screw pessimism!
by Barryfromtexas on Oct 17, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
but we haven't to win
without him this year. Last season is completely irrelevant.
Meerly saying that
It helps to have your big players in your big games. When you hang with a team as we did against the Saints, Oakland, and Baltimore, one cannot help but to think that an Arian Foster, or an Andre Johnson would have been the difference maker. But i agree, a great team should have the depth at positions so we can keep winning.
It comes back to coaching IMO
The talent on the offense is still there. AJ is a major piece obviously, but putting up 14 points is not acceptable even without him.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
Not acceptable by who's standards?
The Ravens have arguably the best defense in the league and we were without arguably the best WR in the league. Plus we passed up 3 points to go for it on 4th down like so many people have been demanding we do.
Disappointing yes, but I don’t think 14 points against a great defense that has at least two Hall of Famers is that hard to believe.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
By the standards of us being an "elite" offense
Andre is a huge piece of that puzzle without a doubt, but to me if you are a top offense you can continue to put up points without 1 player.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
I don't think we're an elite offense.
At least we haven’t been for two games.
If one part of our game plan doesn’t work, we fall to pieces. That’s not elite.
by anthonymgarcia on Oct 17, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree we are not
But we have the talent to be, hence me saying it goes back to coaching.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
How so?
Coaching took three back-up interior offensive linemen and turned them into an elite unit last year. An undrafted rookie lead the league in rushing in our scheme. Late-round picks like Walter and Dreessen have thrived when other teams considered them special teams players at best.
Our offensive isn’t exactly stacked with premier talent outside of a few positions.
by Nashmeister on Oct 17, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
well
someone has got to take the blame. Rick Smith? Kubiak? Schaub? Doesn’t matter as long as we diagnose the problem, correct it, and move on.
I think you play Madden too much
We’re talking about the Ravens. Again, arguably the best defense in the league with two sure fire Hall of Famers, and possibly more when it’s all said and done. I’m not sure where you got that our offense was so elite it could just do as it wills against them.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
last year we where arguably the 2nd best offense in the league
but sometimes good defenses just stifle good offenses. We just couldn’t get across the 40.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
That was last year
I get where you’re coming from but I personally think you’re being a little too critical. Just because we came from way down against them last year doesn’t mean it’s an automatic thing every time. It’s a new year with new wrinkles.
The Ravens are obviously playing at a very high level defensively and we just happened to catch them at home with two weeks to game plan for us without our best player.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Actually I dont play Madden at all
And my observation about our offense is based on more than just 1 game.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
Coaching Philosophy, Lack of Depth and Poor playcalling
these 3 things cost us yesterday and I can say that it’s something we all question every week. I like Kubiak and really hope that he can take this team from a hopeful to a Playoff team on a consistent basis, but it seems like every week when the team gets in trouble or starts to wear down a bit Gary reverts back to his original Coaching Philosophy which is run the ball, play D and hope to get the ball back. I grew up a Redskins Fan and this is what I call the Joe Gibbs syndrome. When the team starts out and its an even game he is willing to be creative and fling the ball in the passing game but if he gets a lead or is down by 3 he goes back to run run pass.
We have arguably the best WR in the game in Andre Johnson. League wide he is feared and he is an amazing athlete and play maker but behind him we have 3 guys who all kind of play the same position. Walter is tough and will make catches but isn’t a true play maker, Jacoby has the speed but not the mental toughness to bring it every week and then it’s Mason, Bryant Johnson and nobody but question marks. We need someone who can force Defenses to truly have to pick their poison in who they double cover.
Play calling makes me wretch sometimes the way we are constantly going away from whats working to go back to the obvious run run pass. I hear that Kubiak is the one who makes the final call on O so he has to take the initiative and be more creative or at least not so obvious.
This is a talented team but not so talented that they can overcome all of these things on a weekly basis and hope to be a playoff team. I think its why we struggle to be consistent,
That being said I think we win big next week. Go Texans
OK, I guess I am ignorant of some saying
I thought the article was going to at least explain what “Peter Pan Texans” means.
I can think of a lot of things – but I don’t know what you are saying. Are they in Never Never Land? Do they never grow up? Can they not keep their shadow? Do they need to think “happy thoughts?” I could go on – but I have no idea what that means.
I am now drinking the koolaid. Texans are making their turn for the best. Screw pessimism!
They have to walk the plank while a ticking crocodile waits below in the murky waters....
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
That's what I was aiming for, yup.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | Football Outsiders | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Oct 17, 2011 5:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Can't disagree with you there
That’s been my biggest beef for this current version of the Texans. It’s not that they don’t have the talent, it’s that they can’t seem to take the step. It’s all right in front of them and the light bulb goes on but it doesn’t want to stay lit. I’ve seen it happen many times in the past though, and once it clicks it’s a fun ride. I still have hope that it can click this season but if not then changes are inevitable.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
That makes sense
There were just too many options in my mind :)
I am now drinking the koolaid. Texans are making their turn for the best. Screw pessimism!
by Barryfromtexas on Oct 18, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Megan Manfull
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | Football Outsiders | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Oct 17, 2011 5:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't have a problem with yesterday's loss really
We knew before the season started that the Steelers, Saints, and Ravens games were probably going to be losses. We lost to Oakland and beat the Steelers, but we knew that was a tough stretch of games right there. 3-3 is not a bad position to be in. It’s not ideal by any stretch of the imagination, but to me it’s acceptable. Any loss before the bye however will mean big trouble.
by SubCrim on Oct 17, 2011 1:25 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
can't argue against your point about schedule
But I think more than anything what’s making the situation seem dire is the injuries and the way they’ve lost.
"We're goin with what we got"
by silentassassin on Oct 17, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
"The way they've lost"?
We were in every game we lost. What more can you ask?
Win them?
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
by Mumford on Oct 17, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Then you couldn't say the "way we lost them".
What way of losing would make you happier?
I didnt say "the way we lost them"
You asked what more can you ask for, and I responded.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
I posted a response to this:
But I think more than anything what’s making the situation seem dire is the injuries and the way they’ve lost.
and you replied out of context.
So, what would make you happy?
Review:
L @Saints w/o Foster
W Steelers w/o AJ (a win we would not have gotten before)
L Oakland w/o AJ and Mario
L @Baltimore (after bye week) w/o AJ and Mario
Nobody wins at NO and Baltimore consistently, yet we gave ourselves a chance in both games.
Yes, Oakland was a bad loss, but if you expected wins at Baltimore and NO, you are being unrealistic.
I don't think what I said was out of context at all
You asked what more could you expect besides “being in the game” when they lost, and I said to win them. I could ask for them to win all the games they have a chance in, it doesn’t mean I expect it to happen. Asking for it and expecting to get it are completely separate things. Semantics I know, but I am bored at work and was just joking around.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
by Mumford on Oct 17, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That question was to a someone who said he was worried by the "way we lost".
I didn’t understand because I felt we looked fairly good in those losses. So I wanted to know what kind of loss would make him less worried.
Anyway did you expect to win at Baltimore and New Orleans?
Actually at New Orleans I did
I felt we matched up well with them and would pull it out. Baltimore, no if for no other reason than we were missing AJ and Mario.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
I felt that we could win, but if I would have had to bet my life on it I would have taken the Saints.
What about going forward? Here’s how I have it.
So far…
Expected wins: Indy (0-6), @Miami (0-4)
Unexpected win: Pitt. (4-2)
Expected losses: @NO (4-2) and @Balt. (4-1)
Unexpected loss: Oakland (4-2)
I expected to be at 3-3 right now.
Going forward….
Expected Wins: @Tenn., Jax, Cle., @Jax, Atl., Car., @Indy, Tenn.
Expected Losses: @TB, @Cin.
Final Expected Record: 11-5 (If we sweep Tenn., 9-7 probably wins our division. The two Tenn. games are the pivotal games this year.)
I think 11-5 is realistic
I think they go 7-2 after the Tits game, so 10 or 11 wins depend on what they do next weekend.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
I got them at 10-6 for the season
Hopefuly that’s good enough to make the playoffs.
Jules=Now I want you to go in that bag and find my wallet
Ringo=which one is it
Jules=the one that says bad mother fucker!
WHOA!
really Mumford? I didn’t realize you were such an optimist. I got 9-7. I think we are going to lose quite a few close ones, and be very angry about it as usual.
Do I come off as pessimistic?
Because I’m really not. I can absolutely see them going 7-2 over the final 9. The only decent teams we play over that stretch would be the Falcons, Bucs, and (possibly) the Tits. And 2 of those will be at home.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
well
I don’t consider myself “pessimistic” either, but realistically speaking ,I don’t see this team taking the strides we had hoped they would. I think 9-7 is ‘realistic,’ I think 11-5 seems hard to attain. I just figured your critique of Kubiak would lend to a more “we’re not that good” scenario. Maybe “not optimistic” is an incorrect way to describe how I was reading you.
I have been disappointed some by the first 6 games
But there is no way you can not factor in the injuries we have had thus far. With the team getting healthy (hopefully) and our competition weakening, I think 10-6 is very attainable. But now you get back to the point of are we a good team, or just the least shitty in a bad division? I am hoping they prove it is the former and not the latter.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
Here's the thing.
There is a difference between “expecting to lose” and “losing.” The unknown, you could call it. What would you say the percentage chance that the Texans would lose this game was? 80% maybe?
Okay. Add up all the games we should pencil them in to lose, and the percentage chances of Houston not winning one of them gets crazier and crazier. You would think they’d stumble into one on sheer luck. Why they haven’t is, IMO, a valid question.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | Football Outsiders | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Oct 17, 2011 6:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
haha
funny way to pose the dilemma, however, I think this makes sense.
I have a problem with all the losses
This is the NFL and they are capable of winning any game on any given Sunday. They have only won half of those games. That means half the time they are finding a way to lose. To me, that is unacceptable. I just can’t accept any loss. I just can’t. I am not content in any way losing any of the games they lost. I will always be unhappy losing. I am not going to be ungracious to the other team, but I do not like losing and I will always look for fault for the loss. And, there always is. It is not just that they played better than us. It is because we did not play better than them. That’s just the way it is.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Another thing
Rivers criticized Kevin Walter for talking about how this team deserves to be in the playoffs, well the reverse should hold true. There are no games where the other team deserves to win. You play the game in front of you. The game starts out 0-0. You play to win every game. You don’t count the loss before the game is played. No one deserves to lose. No one deserves to win. The mentality has to be equivalent both ways.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
“I just can’t accept any loss. I just can’t. I am not content in any way losing any of the games they lost. I will always be unhappy losing. I am not going to be ungracious to the other team, but I do not like losing and I will always look for fault for the loss. And, there always is. It is not just that they played better than us. It is because we did not play better than them. That’s just the way it is.”
Enjoy watching re-runs of the ‘72 Dolphins every year, because that’s the only way you’ll ever enjoy an NFL season.
by willieboyd on Oct 17, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
72 Dolphins make me sick
The Steelers beat them up in the playoffs and the refs stole that game away from them!
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
You get the point.
Losses are a part of sports. We will lose games every season, most of us can accept that as long as we are progressing toward the ultimate goal of a Super Bowl victory. And compared to last season and every season before that we have so much to be optimistic about. I mean we have never even made the playoffs, and you expect an undefeated season?
That’s why your week 6 overreactions are so annoying to some of us. Save the doom and gloom until we at least lose a division game or to a team that’s below .500.
by willieboyd on Oct 17, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not accepting a loss without asking why is a very different from expecting an underfeated season, IMO
You are totally reading something into my statement that isn’t there.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Also not sure where the "doom and gloom" is
Regarding division games, all I said is that division games are always tough. And, it related to Kevin Walter’s statement about how the Texans deserve to win it, which I think was the theme of this piece that River’s wrote, not me.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
When was the last time we ever won a game we shouldn't have?
Inaugural game against Dallas. Offense-less game against Pitt. Throw the NYG in that 1st season. @Miami in 2nd season. Car same year when they were NFC champs. After that, nada. If we have I don’t recall any others.
Sure we have been close so many times but never managed to pull any others out. Maybe @ GB a few years ago but GB wasn’t any better than we were then.
Seems that more often we’re barely pulling out wins in games we should be winning.
Alcohol is necessary so that a man can have a good opinion of himself, undisturbed by the facts.
We had been playing the Colts tough the last few years. The win wasn’t a surprise as much as how we did it.
The pound Dayne win on Xmas eve over the Colts is one I forgot.
The Pats game we were at our best at the end of the season and NE was expected to ‘show up’ in a meaningless game. After Welker went down earl y they packed it in..
Alcohol is necessary so that a man can have a good opinion of himself, undisturbed by the facts.
yep agreed
about the Patriots game: they benched Brady by the 3rd quarter and Hoyer came in, (a rookie at the time, and he still played really well.)
And if we can only come up w/ maybe 3 victories in 10 seasons….this is sad.
Sorry, Willie. Didn't mean to argue your examples.
My query was more rhetorical along the lines of Rip’s post about ‘any given Sunday’. Seems you hear that almost every week. A few times a season a huge underdog pulls out a win it shouldn’t like those of our expansion seasons.
Seems more often then not these days that it’s the Texans getting beat by the underdog then the other way around. @Oak ’08, anyone.
Alcohol is necessary so that a man can have a good opinion of himself, undisturbed by the facts.
The offensive playcalling needs some more attention.
We were setting ourselves up for 3rd and longs all day.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
That's why we should have abandoned the run in the 4th quarter.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Oct 17, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I dunno
Schaub was taking a beating. That’s two weeks in a row. When you’ve got Arian Foster and you’re in a close game with plenty of time on the clock you’d like to think you could break a few here and there. The Ravens stayed with Rice even though we were shutting him down and they eventually found success.
The problem for us was that Foster clearly was not on his game. This is kinda hard to swallow but I think if they had run Tate more we might have seen better results. He seemed to have a hot hand in the limited plays they strung together for him. Still, Foster gives you home run potential on every play so I get why they went back to him.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
I finally understand evolution.
Sadly…
Raven > Pterodactyl
I read that
with the F word every 3 to 4 words. It was even better that way.
I'm a household name... at my house.
Michael Vick is the best throwing running back of all time.
My put your name on it prediction for the Housotn Texans.
10-6, with a first round playoff upset over either the Ravens or Steelers.
Rec'd for...
one that was starting Maurkice Pouncey and four bar stools
I lol’ed…
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
Well were do I start
Just got home from work. Me and my boss talked about the loss and the future of this franchise all day and I gotta tell you the loss dosent feel any better today than it did yesterday. The Ravens have a good D but so do we. Should have won the game and right now that loss to the Raiders is kicking our ass. If we dont win against the BESF’s then folks we are in trouble dont care what you say. I will always root for the Texans and be a fan but Jesus Christ this is torture.
Jules=Now I want you to go in that bag and find my wallet
Ringo=which one is it
Jules=the one that says bad mother fucker!
If we don't win this week
It will absolutely mean trouble, even if it is only week 7. 3 losses in a row and 1 1/2 back in the division. This week is as close as you can get to a must win in week 7.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
by Mumford on Oct 17, 2011 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
completely agreed with both of you here
on the assessment of the importance of this game. I do believe this game is the most important one so far, and is a great litmus test to gauge where we are in our division, and what our record can realistically look like. If we lose this game, I have a hard time seeing this team winning this division.
Same here
My optimism dissolves if we lose this one. It’ll just be too hard to make up ground enough to retake the division and I don’t see a wild card coming out of the AFC South.
It’s a must win.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Rec'd. Time for the excuses to end. The time has arrived and this organization is putting up or packing up.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
The Ravens have a good D but so do we.
Not even close. Almost every individual player on their team is better than his counterpart on our team.
We are still installing a new D (starting two new FAs, two rookies, a newly converted safety), their core has been the dominant defense for a decade.
We have one winning season, why is everyone expecting the Super Bowl this year? What’s wrong with the playoffs this year while continuing to build? Aren’t we still one of the youngest teams in football?
ya, I can see that.
However, we need to see consistent evidence of “taking that leap.” While I would like to see 10+ wins, I’ll be fair. I know I’ve said before that if we win 8-8 and 9-7, make the playoffs and lose that I would still call for Kubiak’s head (I’d call for Schaub’s before Kubiak to be honest), but u make a valid point willie. It’s still quite early to make any of those assessments yet, but if we make the playoffs and perform well, then I think I would soften to this team.
No doubt this team can still find solid vets, young rookies who can contribute via the draft and be better next season (hopefully w/ some playoff experience) with the same regime. I’m just saving my optimism for when we actually accomplish something.
Whatever bro
Just saying there D didn’t win the game for them. We just shot are self in the foot like we do in all big games. And you can’t say we have a bad D.
Jules=Now I want you to go in that bag and find my wallet
Ringo=which one is it
Jules=the one that says bad mother fucker!
What makes you say we shot ourselves in the foot?
And our defense isn’t bad, but two 50 yard completions to Flacco? Those hurt.
We couln't get drives going when they matter... in all of our losses
I consider that shooting yourself in the foot.
Jules=Now I want you to go in that bag and find my wallet
Ringo=which one is it
Jules=the one that says bad mother fucker!
Good defense not an option? It was the Ravens, at home, coming off a bye week.
Oakland, yes, we probably shot ourselves in the foot.
If anyone shot themselves in the foot it was the D. Two 50+ yard passes in the second half? We were in the lead with 8:00 left in the 3rd and we let them convert a 3rd and 12 and then gave up a 51 yard pass. If we stop them on the 3rd we get good field position (our average starting position was inside our own 20 for the second half) and probably add to our lead or at least run some time and pin them deep.
Passing: J. Flacco (BAL) – 305 YDS, 1 INT
Rushing: R. Rice (BAL) – 23 CAR, 101 YDS
Receiving: A. Boldin (BAL) – 8 REC, 132 YDS
When Baltimore does that on offense they are almost impossible to beat.
I hear ya Willie
I’m not trying to be a dick sorry if I came off that way just tired of seeing this team year in and year out failing to win big games.
Jules=Now I want you to go in that bag and find my wallet
Ringo=which one is it
Jules=the one that says bad mother fucker!
So how do you fell about this weekend?
Given the fact that it is pretty much a must win game, AJ more than likely wont play and the Titans D is playing somewhat decent. Are you worried at all or think they get it done?
Jules=Now I want you to go in that bag and find my wallet
Ringo=which one is it
Jules=the one that says bad mother fucker!

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