Danieal Manning Has Surgery, Will Not Be Placed On Injured Reserve
by Tim on Oct 24, 2011 4:35 PM CDT
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Print"He's starting the rehab process, and we're hoping to get him back," coach Gary Kubiak said. "He has an opportunity to come back this season. It's four weeks and beyond, so we'll have to see."
Other interesting nuggets (one of which qualifies as a shocker) from Kubiak's presser today are after the jump.
John McClain says that Troy Nolan will replace Manning in the starting lineup. That's not much of a surprise. What is shocking to me, however, is McClain writing that Brandon Harris will compete with Shiloh Keo to back up Nolan. As much as many Texans fans have been clamoring to see what Brandon Harris can do, I don't think any of us ever imagined it'd be at safety. That makes no sense to me, and this marks the first time I've ever even read of such a possibility. It's totally out of left field.
Buried in McClain's story is Kubiak apparently saying James Casey will play on Sunday, as well as Kubiak supposedly "hoping" Andre Johnson can return as well. That qualifies as great news.
But Brandon Harris at safety? What?
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Who has the insight on what kind of break it was.
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Couldn't listen to Kubiak presser today but wow...
Did not expect the Harris move. Not the way I wanted him to be on the field but oh wells. Harris is a solid tackler with decent coverage skills so he does have the prereqs for Safety, just he’s a bit undersized. Oh well, good playing experience I guess. Please don’t destroy the kid before he even gets his foot in the door Kubes.
More an indictment on Keo
He said Harris was smart enough to catch on quickly
It does make sense as a short term solution
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 25, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm really hoping this is just a Pancakes reporting fail.
We’re going to need Harris at CB before long. He has plenty of speed where KJax/Jason Allen do not.
No, I heard Kubiak mention this in his presser when he was asked about moving Allen to Safety
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Oct 25, 2011 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe paritally
But if the Texans expect Manning back, then they can’t IR him. In other words they need somebody as an emergency back up Safety and don’t have a free roster spot. Kubiak mentioned not wanting to start moving people around and messing things up at other positions. So, since Harris hasn’t been able to work his way on the field much as a CB they can try him there for now to fill in and maybe find a way to get him on the field more.
I don’t see this as a permanent type move. It’s more of a we have an open spot so lets try this and see what happens kind of thing. We use our Safeties like CB’s quite a bit anyway.
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I read Kubiak’s comments on it this morning and I came to that conclusion. They’re banking on Nolan but don’t sound confident with Keo. Harris is a very smart player and studies the game. He will likely pick up the position pretty quick and not be as much of a liability as Keo, plus he’s a ball hawk.
My hope is that Harris really shines in whatever role they put him in and earns enough cred to be part of the CB mix when Manning returns. Best case scenario is that he balls out and pushes Allen and Jackson down the depth chart.
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Ball hawk huh?
I think it’s a good opportunity. I think he"ll hold his own. Besides, if he’s faster than both CBs, you’d want him at safety. At CB, you miss an INT and give up six, you’ll end up looking Kareemesque. Better chance at making INTs at safety, if you ask me… plus big hits.
Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.
I'm going to have to pick up my jaw off the floor on this Harris to safety move
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Good news all around.
Manning avoids IR, Harris might get some PT, and Thor and Andre might be back soon. I’ll take that.
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by Stupendous Man on Oct 24, 2011 5:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 4 recs
Honestly I would just sit AJ until Tampa
Don’t waste it on two scrub teams
Why? If the Docs clear him, he feels good, and completes a normal week at full speed?
I don’t see the reason to hold him back – especially as we still need him.
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Scrub teams?
Jags defense is legit. Sure the offense sucks but that defense is pretty good. The Browns defense is also very underrated.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
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This game gives us a chance to put our foot on the throat of another division rival
If Dre can play then I’m all for it, even if they limit his reps. We need this game just as bad as we did the Titans game. The Jags may be a scrub team but they beat a team last night that we couldn’t, so they should not be taken lightly.
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True, but Flacco didn't look that crappy against us & we were pounding him the entire game
Also, they took the ball out of Ray Rice’s hands against the Kitties, so they screwed up there
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by The Night Owl on Oct 25, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
How in the world did we lose to that team???
Maybe the Jags D should deserve a little credit but for the most part the Ravens O looked TERRIBLE.
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I agree
They pushed Foster’s return. And look at what happened to him. I think this little absence has given Schauby a chance to get more familiar with his new receivers. And he’s gotten progressively better every game (since that Oakland disaster). Don’t get me wrong, I love A.J., but I’d feel a lot better with 6 week. If he tweaked it again from a premature return…
Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.
I'm gonna have to look into this
Very odd
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by AllenOU on Oct 24, 2011 5:14 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I seem to remeber a lot of three safety packages they were playing in the dime. I thought Quin was then taking on a lot of corner/ safety responsibilities. Maybe this is what the rookie is taking on with Quin moving over to Mannings spot for this package.
Instead of bringing in another corner... they're having Quin play dime/nickle corner, covering the slot.
That’s was his strength as a corner. They bring in Nolan, as the other safety.
Sounds like they want to get Harris on the field some more and this is one way to get him some reps.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
Looks like they might also call up Torri Williams from the practice squad.
He definitely has the size to play safety
probably not if Manning does not go on the IR, would need another roster spot
by big_bad_bull on Oct 24, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what Kube's said
So they could release someone, preferably Keo then resign him to the practice squad….
Yes.
Serena Williams would be better than Keo.
Blind fandom is all I got left.
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Yep... he said it
Kubiak stated in his presser that they would look at Harris at Safety. He mentioned that the CB position is crowded which is why Harris has not gotten more playtime and it’s basically been a choice between him and McCain on gameday.
It's Our Time.... or something...
by bennprince on Oct 24, 2011 6:03 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Keo is not an NFL player
As was evident when took a perfect angle at Ringer, met him a few yards past the LOS and dove straight into the ground without touching him.
It's Our Time.... or something...
by bennprince on Oct 24, 2011 6:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
lol, that was awesomely pathetic!
But it’s way too soon to say he’s not an NFL player. He deserves the same amount of time as anyone else.
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Harris to Safety huh?
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by BattleRedHusker on Oct 24, 2011 6:17 PM CDT reply actions
Harris to safety is dumb
Allen should be moved. He’s got the size, has played it before, and Harris should be the CB2 next season anyway. Move Allen to safety and let McCain rotate with Kareem with Harris and McManis fighting for the nickel.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
I don't think Harris to safety is a permanent move
Maybe he’ll pick up some extra ballhawking skills?
CB depth is still depressing, no sense making it even worse
by Karsh on Oct 24, 2011 7:30 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Allen has already failed at Safety and the Texans want him focused on CB.
Really this makes sense. Harris is so far down the depth chart at CB he’ll rarely touch the field and this gives him a chance for a lot of play time.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
Also, Harris has a reputation as a cerebral player.
Which would translate well to safety.
Whereas Kareem is not
Try to get him to make a mental change and learn a new position = recipe for disaster.
Well just think
These decisions aren’t being made by Kubiak solely. Wade Phillips has to be behind this, so I am trusting this decision
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ya that Kubiak guy only makes the bad decisions
anything good that happens is clearly because of someone else amirite?
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
from a defensive perspective,
I’m sure Wade is allowed to have more say than other DCs. Iv’e never been this excited about the Texan’s D, even with Mario and Manning out. I think Kubes has his dumb pet peves with players; he picks favs, too. What if he benched Tate (in the Titans game) for fumbling in the endzone the game before? He wouldn’t of had a bill o’ yards last week. You know how Kubes feels about fumblers…. I think this is what Rip Jersey is talkin about.
Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.
I was going more for the blind faith Trust in Wade theory
I think he probably has more to do with it. At least he would have to say, yeh, we can do that. It’s a reaction to losing Manning and what to do because of it. That’s his department, the defense and although these decisions include Kubiak too, if Wade said, “No way!” I don’t think they would do it, and they would come up with something else. That’s all I’m saying. I think Wade is really the brains behind it even though it was announced by Kubiak. I trust that Wade is there brainstorming solutions to these kind of problems. Just like he knows Mario will adapt to being an OLB, he also thinks that Nolan is not useless as a starting Safety and sure, Harris is sitting there chomping on the bit for playing time as 3rd string CB. Hey, opportunity is knocking, “Harris, get ready to get in the game at Safety. Can you handle it?” “Yes, coach! I just wanna get in there and do something!”
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I hope Harris could be the CB2 next year
…but as of yet he has done nothing to show he will be. Maybe that’s Wade fault for not getting him on the field….but it’s just as likely that he hasn’t earned it on the practice field.
I also don’t think it’s a permanent move, unless it works really well. I understand their reasoning of not moving around the guys who are already getting significant playing time. If the move doesn’t work we haven’t weakened ourselves at another position.
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Or that McCain has been outplaying him
I think we should stop moving Quin to the nickel & give McCain that responsibility, especially against the smaller speedy WRs that Quin wouldn’t be able to keep up with
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by The Night Owl on Oct 25, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it is the matter of having you best guys on the field
Maybe McCain hasn’t earned the starting job yet
but he is looking better than KJ and Allen to me
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 25, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I want a article...
proving that the other Texan WR, TE got better being forced to play without Andre or Thor, stating that now they have become alot better.
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I dunno 300+ yards from the RB tandem might be more germane.
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Also, rumor has it that Dennison was calling the plays
I think he has a knack for playcalling
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If true then MOAR OC playcalling!
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Oct 25, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
But wait, Harris could still be a CB.
I’m going to agree with Rivers and say that KJax future probably lies at safety. Now would be a good time to find out.
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The fact that a CB is being moved to safety does make Rivers' article even more relevant.
I highly doubt they will try KJax at safety during the season though. Also didn’t some mention Harris’ biggest weakness is speed? Letting him see some play time at safety might be a really good idea.
It is "Normal" but not so slow or fast
40 yd. time: 4.53
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by Barryfromtexas on Oct 25, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Good for a safety.
Just sayin’.
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Happy to see Harris get on the field
Plus, they will be competing for the backup spot. I still expect Keo to win it (unfortunately), but anything to get Harris more reps in practice and (hopefully) games is fine by me.
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Harris is buried on the depth chart at CB and as a 2nd pick it's times he starts contributing a bit more.
Good move to give him a chance at more play time.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
I think a lot of this is like where
the backup QB is the most popular guy in town…
It seems a lot of people want Harris to see the field, but we released Keo, re-signed him during the week, and then threw him out there before Harris.
Maybe he’s not an all-pro in practice like KJax apparently is, and he’ll tear it up when he sees the field, but I’m thinking he doesn’t get snaps for a reason. The guys you see out there are playing better.
I’m intrigued by the Harris to Safety. But ever since 2002 when Houston coaches started completely ignoring the Safety position, I’m intrigued by any mention of a safety.
my Z key can't take another free agent flurry
hmmm...
i’d rather see Kareem to safety… at least playing safety he won’t have to worry about cushions… but maybe still get beat deep… he can tackle like a safety though.
how big is harris? wasn’t he considered undersized for a corner?
too bad Keo doesn’t look like an NFL caliber player… he got BEAT waayyy badly on the deep pass to Damien Williams. The play where Jason Allen broke up the play and made Williams slam his face to the turf.
and Keo gave up the TD.
The picture of J Jo standing next to Brice McCain on the pic 6 is priceless.
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 25, 2011 9:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
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