Dr. Ali Mohamadi Talks Lisfranc On SB Nation
by Tim on Nov 15, 2011 10:43 AM CST
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Did you know SB Nation has a medical expert? I did not know that SB Nation had a medical expert. I could have gone the rest of my life not knowing that fact, because it would presumably mean I wouldn't need to read the medical opinions of said expert as it related to one of your Houston Texans. Sadly, with the news about Matt Schaub yesterday, medical opinions are what we crave at the moment.
Dr. Ali Mohamadi has a very informative post up on SB Nation about the injury Schaub is reported to have suffered on Sunday. As you've probably pieced together from what I can assume was a crash course in Lisfranc injuries and treatment over the last 19 hours or so, the prognosis is not altogether positive:
Although the Texans have a bye upcoming and Head Coach Gary Kubiak would only definitively rule Schaub out for Week 12 against Jacksonville, recovery from a Lisfranc injury, which involves the bones and ligaments of the midfoot, typically requires months rather than weeks for a full recovery. This clearly places Schaub's 2011 season in jeopardy, and the major concerns for the remainder of Schaub's career and beyond will be whether the injury heals sufficiently to prevent chronic pain and stiffness of the foot. This will depend upon the exact nature of the injury and how easy it will be to realign the damaged areas of the midfoot, a proposition that may require surgery.
This is not how I wanted to spend the bye week.
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I am going to stay optimistic.
As a Texans fan from the beginning, we have been through worse situations. I must say that the football gods are testing us this year.
That makes me feel somewhat hopeful
He seems to think based on the fact that they didn’t pick anything up on the initial X-Ray and didn’t catch the injury till Monday, that it may be a low-grade Lisfranc injury. If that’s the case, there’s a possibility of non-surgical recovery getting Schaub back on the field for the playoffs especially if we manage to get ourselves a week 1 bye.
If it requires surgery, Schaub is definitely out for the season including the playoffs.
He believes the Texans are getting a lot of opinions from specialists to determine whether the foot needs surgery or whether it can be treated non-surgically.
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Either way it looks like Leinart for at least the rest of the regular season
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Non-surgical = 6-8 weeks of non-weight bearing.
If he could stay in cardiovascular shape, best case could have him back for Indy to finish the year.
I assuming he could go with little rehab and no reps with that timeline.
That’s probably very unrealistic.
With non-weight bearing cardio starting now and his ability to get the job done with little athletic ability anyway, I think it’s a .0001% possibility.
Despite being a Leinart booster, I’m still delusional about Shaub’s return. What does that say about me?
I don't think it's crazy that he could be back for the playoffs
Unlikely, but not crazy. We’ll just have to see whether he has surgery or not, and how his recovery goes if not.
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Out for Season is not the "worst case" scenario
I know the Texans are poised for a run (finally). Believe it or not though, Matt Schaub being out for the season is not the worst case scenario. The Lisfranc injury has ended careers. “Worst case” would be a RIP Schaub Career post.
I can run faster horny than she can scared
I agree and further
the “worst case” scenario is that Leinart is indeed a bust and we are searching for a new QB in FA and 2012 Draft.
The “unlikely” scenario is that we see Schaub on the field again in 2011.
The “best case” scenario is that Leinart has matured under Kubiak and flourishes in this system with a great running game, play action and bootleg passes, and a defense that doesn’t force him to go vertical to save the game.
I think the Texans will be closer to "best case" than any other case
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Agreed...
… and still wondering what you have done with the real Rip…
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
He's been a "let's-see-what-Leinart-has" guy for a while.
Remember he called for us to play him after the Oakland game.
I think you misread me
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Dear Coach Kubiak, Is it time for a QB controvesy?
But, are you sure that Matt Schaub, who is not your son, is the long-term solution at Quarterback? Don’t the Texans have a pretty good Quarterback standing by on the sidelines carrying his helmet every Sunday who might be capable of winning games? Doesn’t he have some hardware in his trophy cabinet at home that says he was the best college player in his day? Has he had a fair chance to perform and show his stuff during his NFL career? Doesn’t he have something left in his tank? Yes, Matt Leinart is waiting by, willing and able.
by willieboyd on Nov 15, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Those are questions
Are they not?
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
So you didn't want Kubiak to give Leinart a go?
I not trying to argue. But I’m having a hard time nailing down the point of that post if you weren’t advocating a change.
You know, I remember back when I was 13, playing little league baseball. I wanted to play third base. The only problem was the coach wanted another kid to play third base. That kid was his son, who by the way, couldn’t make the throw to first and in all the years we played on the same team, I never saw him get a hit. I, on the other hand, got a hit almost every time up at the plate and I could whip the ball across the diamond on a rope on one step. I was simply befuddled sitting on the bench watching the other kid play as I wasted. The next season, I switched to catcher and used my arm to stop base-stealers and led the team in hitting. Sometimes I was the only one who got a hit. That team stunk….
Isn’t Shaub the coach’s son and Leinart you in this analogy?
by willieboyd on Nov 15, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
No, that was just an anecdotal story to peak your interest
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
good catch
PEAK:
PEEK:
PIQUE:
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I'm Waiting for the Part
where you are cleaning the pool and the kid’s mom comes out naked and gives you some private lessons?
To follow that best case scenario to the conclusion...
Washington would probably be very interested in trading for our QB if we find ourselves in a position of having two starting caliber guys.
I am really hoping
we find ourselves with a really good qb in Leinart and trade him off like suggested by willie and pick up a pick or two for next years draft. Although I dont know were we would use the picks since our team is already stacked at every position!
As someone else has posted...
…apparently the Listfranc is more likely to be “career ending” to speed guys.
Schaub is no statue, but his brain and his arm are far more important to his success than his scamper-ability… this year’s SneakAPalooza notwithstanding.
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
I will wait until they tell us later today or sometime this week
But, right now, I’m feeling this won’t be career ending.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
It just cracked me up...
… to hear some guy on ESPN seriously discussing TJ Yates as an alternative to be watched. Don’t get me wrong… I’d be TICKLED to find out he was some monster Foster-esque sleeper pick, but he must have been some kind of stealth super-star in college for someone to look right past Matty Ice and start pushing for the clipboard-fluffer to get time.
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
by DilloTex on Nov 15, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't like your characterization of Yates, at all
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
But is Yates willing to change his first name to Matt?
Would make play calling easier; “OK Matt, go with Split Right 787 check swing, check V”
Cracked you up?
really?
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by Barryfromtexas on Nov 15, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
OT of Lisfranc
But do y’all thing that running a more open offense with more wideouts would keep opposing defenses from loading the box and effectively improving the run game?
by SMITHILLIAK on Nov 15, 2011 10:53 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I think running the same "unpredictable" offense will be just fine
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Our offense
is set up to confuse everyone even the fans! I love it!
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Yea
I’m not saying change the gameplan a whole lot, just maybe run spread a few more times a game than normal but still keep the run:pass ratio the same as we have been, and these next 6 games r gonna show if Kubiak can make adjustments and is worthy of staying or if he shall not pass into next years team…I don’t think this injury makes him in-fireable by any means…
by SMITHILLIAK on Nov 15, 2011 10:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think Kubiak has already proved he stays.
Like it or not, Kubiak is one of the best coaches there is. We are winning this year because we have the talent. Look at the past years and see what Kubiak has done. He has always overachieved with this team.
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by steelblue on Nov 15, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks to Wade Phillips, Kubiak is proving himself as a HC now.
Let’s be frank. The team has only been over .500 once in 5 previous seasons with Kubiak. That is not proving himself or overachieving. If that is overachieving, I don’t want to see underachieving. This season, a confluence of forces have come together and just in time for Kubiak’s case, IMO. Wade Phillips astute help in the draft and transforming the D into a very effective 3-4 scheme is proving to be the weight that has tipped the scales. So, saying “Kubiak has already proven he stays” could very well be a short-termed victory in the world of the NFL. I’m not hating here. I just have my eyes open to reality and not getting caught up in the moment.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Let's be honest, Gary is a glorified OC. One of the best to be sure, but not a head coach.
To be successful, he’s always going to need to be paired with a strong DC.
Do this and he’ll always be successful IMO. His ability to create great offenses with low round picks id absolutely unmatched in this league.
They have a good thing going right now.
What they are doing, keep doing it. I haven’t had this confirmed, but I believe that Rick Dennison is taking a bigger hand in play-calling during games and he’s been doing that for four games now, and coincidentally, they are on a four game winning streak. I could be spreading falsehoods, because I need it confirmed. But, if that is the case, have you also noticed Kubiak doing better at HC tasks during games over those four games? I have. So, whatever they are doing, I hope they keep it up.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Doing better?
He’s even won two challenges!
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 15, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
I honestly don't know about Gary as a HC.
I just don’t see him as a Coughlin/Bellichick/Tomlin/Harbaugh-type who oversees the whole team.
In other words, he just doesn’t have that globally-talented CEO mentality, he seems more like the engineer with bad hygiene who is more brilliant than the CEO, but only excels in one area.
You mean, like a Steve Jobs?
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
I might be in the minority, but I can see him getting up there.
We all know he’s a brilliant offensive coach. Someone pointed out that he’s a glorified OC and will always need a great DC to go anywhere. Well…which great team doesn’t have that. Look at the packers. While their D is lacking this year, they were great last year and look at who’s their DC. Remember him..
Look at New Orleans. Who’s their DC again??
The point is that even when this team was struggling last year, which was only partly his fault, the team still wanted to play for him. Look at what’s going on in Philly this year.
When we have had talent, this team has performed. We saw improvement every year under Kubiak until last year. We were without half our starting defense last year and let Dunta Robinson go in the free agency. All the injuries and issues piled up to leave him one of the worst defenses in league history. Did Kubiak complain? NO
He went out and fixed the problem. Everyone will give the credit to Wade for turning the D around and he deserves it. I will not argue at all. But Kubiak deserves some credit too. Do you think they weren’t going to go all out on Defense during the offseason after that horrible season? Of course they were going to go after a big time CB and and draft a lot of Defensive players.
With all that influx on talent combined with players getting healty i.e. Demeco, Barwin and Mario till he got injured. It’s like we have almost a new set of players on the field. With this talent, Kubiak has done wonders and we have become perhaps the most unstoppable team in the league.
p.s. I say ‘we’ cause I like to think I’m part of the team :)
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No
The reason Kube’s system works so well is the pass plays look exactly like the run plays, making the defense guess which one is it is. By spreading the formation to pass it, you would be showing your hand before the snap. Besides, our TE’s are really big WR’s that can block, and create better mismatches.
by Coog on Nov 15, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
You have a firm grasp of what they are trying to do
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Agree.
Shaub commented on this a while back. He said they spend a huge amount of time self scouting and practicing to make the run and pass plays indistinguishable.
I think if anyone fucks with our offense now I'll drive to Houston and beat them to death
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Gotta be honest
When I read the doctor’s name, I thought you were making him up. Like Dr. Frazier Joesephi or Dr. Tyson Michaels
by LouisianaTexan on Nov 15, 2011 11:13 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Curious
has it been confirmed that Schaub did, in fact, suffer a Lisfranc injury? All the reports I’ve read cite Schefter’s tweet, which is from “sources”, whatever the hell that means.
I heard Kubiak after 5 PM yesterday say, and I paraphrase, "They haven't confirmed the severity of the injury or what will be done, or how long it will take to get back to the field."
Shefter is really hypothesizing. Not saying he won’t be right. Just saying, until Schaub is checked further today, no one knows.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Gary described it in his press conference as someone coming down on the back of Shaub's foot, etc.
He basically confirmed it with the description. Although a non-Lisfranc metatarsal break is possible, the visit to Dr. Anderson, the Lisfranc guru probably wouldn’t be necessary.
The someone was fat AL
Haynesworth
teh Schaub confirmed this
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by Barryfromtexas on Nov 15, 2011 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
That fat piece of shit...
in case no one caught my little rant from the “REPORT: Schaub to miss significant time” story, this would make it the 3rd time that sack of shit has injured schaub and regardless of schaub claiming it was an accident, you can see haynesworthless jump through the guard and center or guard and tackles legs and then jump completely over on top of Schaubbys legs and feet even though the pile was down and done. Again we get screwed by that piece of trash…I HATE HIM
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by HolyCrapADecentDefense on Nov 16, 2011 2:37 AM CST up reply actions
I’ve followed BRB for 2 years now, but this is my first post. It seems completely ridiculous to me that now that Schaub went down most sports commentators are saying our Super Bowl dreams are shattered. Come on guys, Super Bowl? Most of them didn’t even want to admit we were a good team, much less Super Bowl worthy, until about last week. I hate the way the national media treats the Texans and even though our situation seems dismal now, I still believe in our top rated defense, our outstanding O line, an unbelievable run game, and not to mention Dre should be back after the bye. Don’t give up hope Texans fans, this is still our year and I will be back to post in February to tell all of you pessimistic doubters I told you so.
by houtex420SBbound on Nov 15, 2011 11:34 AM CST via mobile reply actions 17 recs
new'b rec...
Im looking for divine and a lttle intervention
And birds dont fly without my permission
Im prolly in the sky, flyin with the fishes
Or maybe in the ocean, swimmin with the pigeons
See my world is different, like Dwayne Wayne
And if you want problem Bit#h, i want the same thang
by F-BombTheJets on Nov 15, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Newb rec and welcome.
I never pegged us in the SB this year. As a fan I like to think it could happen, but I know it was unlikely. The way they’ve been playing since Baltimore has had me seriously wondering if they could do it though.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 15, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
I think a lot of the eggspurts jumped on the Texans bandwagon as a result of the 4 game win streak and their ranking as the leader of the AFC following the win last Sunday
Their favor changes with the wind. But, having made the jump, it’s easy for them to tell the story about how Schaub’s injury kills dreams of the Super Bowl, right? It all makes sense.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Newb Rec!
Also I am glad you finally came out of lurking and have joined in commenting! I agree that its ridiculous that now the smart guys on tv analysts commentators eggspurts (thanks RIP- I was struggling)have quickly jumped on the bandwagon and just as quickly given the reason why they think we are going to start losing, and that it will be the same ol Texans. Texans are going to be fine. If there is ever an ideal situation for a back up, this is it. Matty has to sieze the moment and never let go. Hopefully we have a diamond in the rough and don’t know it. Matty is going to have to step up before I drop the -y from his name.
See you in February!
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Things could be worse!
Leinart never had a full season at the helm. They changed coaches on him, and then he lost the starting job to one of the best QBs of all time! Just remember David Carr threw the ball when Dre made his first Pro Bowl!!!
What if.....
Matt 2.0 lights it up, and we do win the SB. who would be the starter next year?
Schaub
I think Schaub just has a swagger about him that brings the team together. I think switching QBs would probably piss of people like OD,AJ,AF! Trade Leinart if he did that!
Yes, I wrote an entire FanPost centered on that very comment.
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I remember! was goooo'd
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Leinart would be the starter, no doubt, and we'd reunite Schaub with Lil Shanny in Washington.
Schaub’s good, but his winning percentage isn’t that much better than Leinart’s.
A Super Bowl win by Leinart would make everyone forget about Schaub, guaranteed.
If Leinart does take us to a SB win..
It will not be with his arm but with the four legged, two headed monster of Arian Tate! That would be like saying the Bears made it to XLI with the arm of Rex Grossman.
I don't think so.
A Super Bowl win would absolutely require good to great QB play. One-dimensional has been working against the past four bad teams (let’s admit it), but it won’t work in the playoffs.
Ok lets assume we hold onto the #1 seed...
Then we would probably play the Pats in the second round, it be proven this year that you can beat the Pats and Brady with stellar defense and the run. Then the Steelers, we beat them the same way we have won these last 4 games. So then its the Packers, I think the only way to beat them is by running the ball and keeping Rogers on the sidelines and not alowwing him to get into sync with his Wrs. Great D, great running, and 15-20 throw could win that game.
On defense: Our D isn’t the ‘00 Ravens or the ’85 Bears. We still start Kareem Jackson at CB and Quintin Demps and Glover Quin at safety. Someone will eventually spread us out, take advantage of our overall average secondary and force us to pass. There’s no way we would stop Aaron Rodgers, at all.
On offense: I don’t think we can dominate on the ground without a very credible threat at QB. If Leinart is average, teams will stack the box (9 in the box?) and make Leinart pass, forcing him to step up or lose.
I think overall, you are completely underestimating the level of play in the post season and the weakness of our recent schedule compared to playoff contenders.
But…
if your scenario does play out, I still keep Leinart, because he would have instantly proved we could win a SB with him at QB. Schaub has never even won one playoff game. I like Shaub and that’s not his fault we have been to the playoffs before, but you have to go with the proven commodity (who also would have more room for growth.
Matt Schaub would have gotten him to the play offs
And by SB were sure to have D Manning back. I think our Texans are tailor made to beat Green Bay, Schaub or not. That being said if Lienart goes deep into the playoffs r even SB. we trade him in a heartbeat.
Trade a 28 year-old Super Bowl winner for a 30 year-old guy who's never been to the playoffs
I think someone’s sentimental.
Our defense is better than the '00 Ravens defense
and the Vikings got to Aaron Rodgers last night plenty…I thought Jared Allen could have ended with 5 sacks by himself if they tried harder (but they eased up knowing the game was out of hand). Wade’s front seven could make Rodgers cry, and I’d love to see it.
Our secondary has developed pretty damn well after 10 games, Joseph has one side locked down and Kareem has really turned the corner FINALLY. Safety wise, Demps, Nolan and Quinn are rocking. Forget the games in the past seasons, this is Wade’s world.
After 10 games, stats are no fluke. It’s real and they’ll have some challenges with a few matchups, but they can play with anyone right now. Have faith!
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I'm as optimistic as anyone here, but really better than the 2000 Ravens? I seriously don't think we're better than this year's Ravens. Look at our schedule.
In the past quarter-century, only one defense has held opponents to fewer than 11 points per game. That team? Ray Lewis’ Ravens. In 2000, Baltimore set NFL records for fewest points allowed (165) and fewest yards rushing allowed (970) in a 16-game schedule. During the regular season, the Ravens shut out four opponents, then got better in the playoffs, allowing a total of only 23 points in four games, including their 34-7 victory over the Giants in the Super Bowl.
Kareem seems to be improving, but look at who he’s gone against lately. He was beat for a TD last week by Dezmond Briscoe and flailed his arms at the right time in the right place. I still consider him a below average starter. He lacks speed and is horrible finding the ball in the air.
Demps and Nolan are rocking against the Jags, Browns and Bucs (all of which were made one dimensional by quick offensive starts).
I agree we can play with anybody, but I not ready to say we can win a Super Bowl with just a placeholder at QB.
God forbid we have to look for a new QB after the season
Who do you guys like in the draft that we would realistically have a shot at?
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hope not
who knows, Tannahill might be a decent long term project but as for who is ready now? Not sure we will be low enough to grab someone that’s capable of coming in and playing.
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck."
-Don Shula
Andrew Luck
Trade Mario and 1st round picks and WTFBBQPWN!!!!111one the AFC for the next decade.
(OK I have to admit my son helped me type that middle part for humor)
The Texans will not be looking for next year's starting QB in the draft
No way, now how.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Yeah, that would be ultimate worst case scenario.
Schaub’s career would have to be over and Leinart would really have to suck.
Bandwagon
I agree with Rip, i think a lot of the eggspurts jumped on the bandwagon after we won a bunch (Trent Dillfer has been with us for awhile, not sure what that sayz though). I think Matt 2.o can do well. Keep his passing to 20 a game, run the crap out of the ball.
There is potential here, if we do well, Matt 2.0 resurrects his career maybe we can use him to get a decent draft pick out of him. Kubes is the quarterback whisper after all.
I still think we can win a playoff game if we play smart and don’t try to make Matt 2.0 a hero or a villain. Just let him play. I think he has potential, its just that Matt Prime was the unquestioned leader of the team, and the best play faker in the league.
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck."
-Don Shula
whew, i feel so much better
here i was all worked up over losing Schaub. good to hear all we gotta sweat is who gets to stay next year after Matt2 wins the big game (sorry i havent learned sarcasm font but surely you guys are all over this one)
seriously though, history has shown in a year of chaos aka 2011 AFC that somebody other than an elite qb can carry a team thru the sb
doug williams (i think that was his name?), whoever won for the ravens (see i dont even know), and im not sure who the giant qb(s) were
but if it does take an elite qb, we should just go ahead and concede to Rogers right now and just be happy to play for something in the afc
The 2000 Ravens are a bad comparison IMO, but from what I know about Doug Williams and that team, that's an excellent comparison.
The 87-88 Skins were a offensive line orientated team, with lots of weapons a good defense and a “game manager” at QB.
you didnt name the qb either lol
no googling – who was it?
by Texan-Defcon1 on Nov 15, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Dilfer, the ultimate example of a bad QB winning it all.
Which Giants team BTW?
hey read this closely - it is guaranteed to screw with your mind:
During the 1972 season, Bob Griese’s ankle was broken in Week 5 as he was sacked by San Diego Chargers defensive tackle Ron East. He was replaced by veteran Earl Morrall for the rest of the regular season. Griese returned to the field as a substitute during the AFC Championship game versus the Pittsburgh Steelers and then started for Miami in Super Bowl VII. On the ground, running backs Larry Csonka and Mercury Morris became the first teammates to each rush for 1,000 yards in a season. Paul Warfield led the receivers, averaging over 20 yards per catch on 29 receptions. The offensive line included future Hall of Fame members Jim Langer and Larry Little and Pro Bowler Norm Evans. The 1972 Dolphins defensive unit, called the No-Name Defense because Miami’s impressive offense received much more publicity, was the league’s best that year.
by Texan-Defcon1 on Nov 15, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
i hope it becomes mind-bogglingly familiar
in say early february…
by Texan-Defcon1 on Nov 15, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
I am sure no one wants to hear this, but wouldn't it be crazy if...
Let’s say worst case scenario this is career ending for Schaub (I am more critical of him than most on here, though I do not want this, He is my QB). It is pretty obvious the colts want Luck. Read an article today saying that it would not be cost effective for Indy to carry both Luck and Manning.
How would we feel with five-head leading the Texans? Though hard to believe Indy allowing that to happen. I’m just letting my mind wonder.
I'd take P. Manning or Luck anytime
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by Barryfromtexas on Nov 15, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
Okay...
which one of schaub hater’s prayed for this to happen…
With the first pick of the draft
your houston Texans take Mario Williams!! and whats that?? Arizona is giving Houston their #10 pick! and they Take USC stand out and Heisman trophy winner Matt Leinart!! Make it happen Matt 2. This is the best chance you are going to get.
Is it definitely a Lis Franc?
I understood they were going to be having him evaluated over the next several days. I certainly hope it isn’t a Lis franc, but I guess there are varying degrees of the injury. Mom-in-law had that injury back in 2003. She is a traveling nurse and missed 6 months of work. She never had proper rehab on it. She now has a limp and still wraps her foot everyday.
I guess we will all be waiting with the proverbial bated breath for a definitive statement from the Texans and Kubes on the extent of injury, etc. in the next week or so.
Personally, I think we will be okay with Matty Ell.
Here is hoping that teh Schaub heals quick, no matter what it is. He has shown he has guts and is a tough hombre, as well as being a top NFL quarterback.
We are gonna be okay, BRB.
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The first look was inconclusive, if I remember correctly. Was that an X-Ray or MRI?
The second look, definitely an MRI, showed something, but they still wanted other experts to look at it. Does lisfranc just refer to the location or does it refer to a specific type of injury? I am not clear on what really is going on and until the team of doctors make their official conclusion later this week, not today, we are all guessing.
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The best way to diagnose a Lisfranc injury is an x-ray with the patient standing with weight on the foot to see if it spreads the metatarsals and affects the arch in a way to indicate ligament damage, be it a partial tear or full rupture. The initial evaluation (x-ray) during half time probably just ruled out any fracture of the metatarsals.
Figure 1. (above, left) Anteroposterior (AP) view of the foot and Figure 2. (above, right) Oblique radiograph of the same foot.
Two views of an injured foot demonstrates disruption of the Lisfranc joint consistent with a Lisfranc fracture-dislocation. Although it is difficult to see a fracture fragment in these films, significant force is needed to disrupt this strong joint which stabilizes the midfoot, often resulting in a fracture at the base of the 2nd metatarsal or one of the cuneiforms. If the diagnosis is in question, a weight-bearing anteroposterior view or a computed tomography scan of the foot may identify this injury. Surgical repair is generally necessary. Compartment syndrome of the foot is a possible complication.
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I am an Eagles fan
The Texans were always my “Team B”. I dunno exactly why, just always liked your team. But I really wanted to let you guys know how much I’m pullin’ for you. I think your team was just rounding into the best in the NFL and I honestly don’t think the Packers could match up with you. I’ll be rooting for you guys good luck!
by MikeyCo on Nov 15, 2011 8:45 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Thanks Mikey! We really appreciate the support.
Good luck finishing out the season, and hope things gel soon for you. Philly deserves a winning team!
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Yeah.....
I would love to see the current (hopefully not peaking too early) Texans team play the Pack. Let’s take on the best right now and get this shit over with……….Too bad it can’t happen. I think Houston could take Green Bay actually.
The Green Bay OLine is quality, and A. Rogers is en fuego at this point of his career.
Because Green Bay’s running game is middling to slightly below average at best, Rogers will try to pass you to death. They will go at Kareem over and over and over. And they will succeed because Rogers can make throws that better defenders around the league find it nearly impossible to defense. If we were to have a chance at an in-playoff-form Green Bay, Leinart will need to play an A-level game to keep up.
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by Christopher H on Nov 16, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
What's up with this shit?
EVERYONE is just handing the SB to the Pack this year. A friend of mine on fb made the comment after the Monday night game “Just give the pack the Lombardi trophy and call it a season.” FUCK THAT!!!!! Look what happened to the “flawless” Patriots! ANYTHING can happen.
OK, end of rant, I’m just tired of this shit.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
So what happens
if Leinart comes in and plays lights-out but Schaub is healthy when playoffs start? Stay with the hot hand? From what we’ve been hearing about Leinart it sounds like he’s been putting in all of the necessary work off the field, if he can come in and do as good (better?) than Schaub who would you use in the playoffs IF you have to choose?
My vote-stay with the hot hand and don’t risk having a rusty QB in the playoffs.
I am NO fan of putting in a player who's missed six or more games,
especially into a game that is “do or die” like a playoff game. It takes players, even top drawer elites, a couple of games to get back into “football shape” which is both mental and physical.
Even ‘Dre is going to come up to speed over a game or two before he’s dominant again, but I think he’ll be at speed faster than most players.
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