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What About Schaub?

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Author's note:  I began this analysis prior to Matt Schaub getting injured as a way to look at both his perceived and statistical value.  I've since altered it slightly to look at what we're missing from Schaub and what we need from Matt Leinart.  I also decided to keep the caption and title because they made me laugh, and that's really the most important thing.

When not writing about the Texans or getting/being blindingly drunk, I work in the field of Six Sigma and Continuous Improvement.  What that means is that I'm kind of an internal consultant that goes from department to department within our company, and helps them become more efficient (remember the efficiency experts from Office Space?  I'm that guy). 

Part of this job includes taking metrics and statistics from other departments, studying them, and making a determination on what's going right and what's going wrong.  One of the key things that I look for is variation within the data.  A metric may have a good average, but if it has a lot of variation, people will feel that something is wrong.  That "feeling" is what causes people to complain, and thus causes me to be called in.  You'd be amazed at the arguments I get when someone complains about an area only to have the departmental manager say something along the lines of, "But our average shows we're doing good" (sound familiar?).  In this business, variation equals pain. 

Furthermore, it's important for me to be as much of an outsider as possible because it allows me to be as objective as possible.

With both of these things in mind, I'd like to discuss Matt Schaub.  There are some out there who have the opinion that Matt Schaub is overrated and an unreliable quarterback.  These opinions on Schaub stem from his extreme and emotional moments in close games, such as the game-ending interceptions against Oakland or Baltimore (last year).  On the other hand, his statistics show him to be a quality quarterback.  So I decided to start looking at Schaub's performances in close games this year.

I originally planned to release this during the bye week since it would be the time when we could be the most objective.  With the recent news of Schaub's injury, however, and Matt Leinart's ascension to the starting lineup, we should look at this not from the perspective of "how has Schaub played' but rather from the perspective of "how much do we need to rely on Leinart?"

Star-divide

Let's start with the bland, unemotional statistical analysis.  It's the vanilla pudding of analysis.  The underseasoned grilled chicken breast.  The preseason Wade Phillips defense.  The Kubiak press conference.  The Matt Schaub.  Ok, that's enough.  

I'm just going to state the facts, here, so it would help if you read this in as monotone a voice as possible.  Imagine you're Ben Stein.

Schaub currently ranks sixth in the league in passer rating (96.8), 13th in completion percentage (61.0%), 10th in yards (2,479), 2nd in yards per attempt (8.49), 9th in touchdowns (15), and tied for 4th in fewest interceptions (6; minimum 200 attempts).  This pretty much covers it for the standard stats.

Let's shift to Football Outsiders.

Schaub ranks 5th among quarterbacks in DYAR (799), 6th in DVOA (29.4%), and 8th in effective yards (2,675).

In Advanced NFL Stats, Schaub ranks 8th in Win Probability Added (1.74), 5th in Expected Points Added (69.9), and 5th in Success Rate (50.6%).

Alright, that's enough numbers.  Based on that alone, it's hard to argue that Schaub is not a top 10 quarterback.  Each metric looks at quarterback play from a slightly different perspective, and outside of completion percentage, he ranks in the top 10 in every single one.  Generally speaking, if you have something that looks good from just about any angle, it's probably pretty good.

What this tells me is that the frustration and negative attitude towards Schaub is primarily driven by a handful of negative highlights (i.e., the variation).  It doesn't help that Schaub doesn't have equally memorable positive plays, and this gives life to the notion that Schaub is not "clutch." 

Even when Schaub does have those moments -- the win against Washington last year and victories against Green Bay and Miami in 2008 -- it's easy to brush them off by arguing that Andre Johnson bailed him out or because they occured so long ago.  The fourth quarter failures are more vivid memories that are more fresh in our minds.

A few weeks back, Rivers had an excellent analysis of Schaub where he discusses the idea that Schaub does a lot of things well, but doesn't excel at any one thing (other than play action).  Rivers was pretty much on point in the sense that Schaub doesn't have that signature that makes you say, "That's my quarterback!" 

Stir that in with the mediocre records of seasons past, and it's easy to argue that you simply have a quarterback that cannot elevate his team in key moments.  The numerical arguments are a difficult retort in a discussion where a single play can be submitted as "Exhibit A."

We're not going to be able to bring the "clutch" argument to a definitive conclusion (and so the debate will rage on), but we can look at data to get a better understanding of what's going on.  

In order to do so, we should start by looking at the data set of close games (let's define this as games that have been within 7 points at some point in the 4th quarter) and evaluating Schaub's performance late in those games to see how he performed. 

Through Week 10 in the 2011 NFL season, we have six such games in our data set:  Miami, New Orleans, Pittsburgh, Oakland, Baltimore, and Jacksonville.  Statistically speaking, that's probably not a huge data set, but for the sake of brevity, let's keep it at this for now (perhaps a more detailed analysis would be a good offseason project... hmmm..../writes it down).

  • @ Miami:  This was a highly contested game when the fourth quarter began, as the Texans led 16-10.  The Dolphins started out with possession, and converted a field goal to pull within 3.  The Texans got the ball with 12:53 on the clock and Schaub went 3 for 3 on the drive, capped off with a beautiful touchdown to Andre, to put the team ahead by 10.  The defense held the Dolphins for the rest of the game, and Schaub wouldn't throw another pass. 
  • @ New Orleans:  Well, we all remember this pretty vividly, huh?  The Texans led 19-17 when the quarter began, and the first play was a touchdown pass to James Casey.  He followed this up with a terrible interception later in the quarter, and had what could definitely be considered a lucky touchdown to Kevin Walter later in the game that gave the Texans a 1 point lead.  These are the types of games that give the anti-Schaub crowd ammunition.  Even though he did have two touchdowns, one was pretty lucky and he had a brutal interception.  Meanwhile, Drew Brees led his team to 23 fourth quarter points and the victory.
  • vs Pittsburgh:  The fourth quarter began with the Texans leading 10-7, and the Steelers opened fourth quarter play with a game tying field goal.  On the ensuing drive, Schaub went 2-2, including a huge 30 yard gain by Owen Daniels before Arian Foster ripped off his 42 yard touchdown run.  Schaub would go 1-2 for the rest of the quarter as the Texans primarily led and used Foster to kill time.
  • vs Oakland:  The Texans started the fourth quarter with a 17-15 lead, but two plays into it, they found themselves trailing 22-17.  The Texans went 3 and out on their next possession (0-1 by Schaub) before the Raiders drove down for a field goal.  Then the Texans went 3 and out again (0-3 by Schaub).  After a 3 and out by the Raiders, the Texans drove down for a field goal, but Schaub was hardly clicking on all cylinders, going 6-12 on the drive.  After another Raider 3 and out, Schaub went 3-5 on the ensuing drive (excluding an intentional spike) before the final fateful play.  We all know what happened on that play, and it resulted in a 9-21 fourth quarter for Schaub.  Yeach. 
  • @ Baltimore:  Baltimore led Houston 16-14 at the start of this fourth quarter, and extended the lead by 3 only three plays in.  In general, Schaub was unable to spur the team to victory and was an uninspiring 5 for 12 in the fourth quarter (including the "got screwed by the replay" Jacoby Jones non-catch).
  • vs Jacksonville:  The Texans led by 7 to start the fourth quarter and scored another touchdown only a few minutes in to go up by 14.  Though the Jaguars would score again, the Texans were pretty much able to control the game by running the ball and Schaub was not asked to do a whole lot.  He ended up going 3-3 in the fourth quarter with zero interceptions and zero touchdowns.

Here are a few numbers on the same analysis. 

Game Att Comp Comp % Int Int/Att TD TD/Att
Miami 3
3 100% 0 0.0% 1 3.3%
New Orleans 17 8 47% 1 5.8%
2 1.2%
Pittsburgh 4 3 75% 0 0.0% 0 0.0%
Oakland 21 9 43% 1
4.8% 0 0.0%
Baltimore 12 5 42% 0 0.0% 0 0.0%
Jacksonville 3 3 100% 0 0.0% 0 0.0%
4th Quarter Total 2011 60 31 52% 2 3.3% 3 5.0%
Non-4th Quarter Stats 232 147 63% 4 1.7% 12 5.2%

 

As an admitted member of the pro-Schaub camp, I was a bit surprised by these numbers.  It would appear that in games where the Texans have asked Schaub to carry the fourth quarter load, he has struggled.  In the three games where he has attempted more than 10 fourth quarter passes, he has had a completion percentage less than 50% and the Texans have lost.  Meanwhile, the interception rate has more than doubled, while the touchdown rate decreased by 2%. 

At first glance, we would look at that and say that Schaub has not been "clutch".  I wouldn't be surprised to see completion percentage drop and interception rate increase for most quarterbacks in the fourth quarter -- they are likely, after all, to be taking more risks -- but the lack of a correlating increase in TD percentage suggests that Schaub's risks have not paid off.

Here's where it gets interesting, though.  I did some hypothesis testing on these numbers and found that most of these figures are statistically insignificant.  The closest one was completion percentage which had a p-value of 0.087.  In non-geek terms, that means that if I were to pick a random sample of 60 passes from Schaub's other pass attempts, there's about a 9% probability that Schaub could have a 52% completion percentage.  The rule of thumb in hypothesis testing is that anything with a p-value over 0.05 cannot be considered statistically significant, therefore we cannot say with any level of confidence that the perceived difference is anything other than normal variation.  Interception rate and touchdown rate both had p-values that were nowhere close, so any conclusion drawn from that should be immediately squashed. 

On the other hand, if we look at the data set of only those games where the team was trailing and tried to throw their way back into it, Schaub's drop in completion percentage does become statistically significant.  So we can confidently say that in 2011, Matt Schaub has definitely experienced a drop in accuracy when trying to rally the team from behind.  The interception and touchdown rates are still insignificant.

Here's what we can draw from this:  While we can't absolutely say that Schaub is the primary reason for the team's failures in those games -- the other players also deserve some portion of the blame -- he definitely hasn't "put the team on his shoulders," "raised the level of play of his teammates," or any other cliche. 

On the other hand, what does it mean if you have a player who hasn't excelled late in games, but still ranks as one of the best in his position?  It means that that player has been really damn good during the first three quarters.

Let's take another quick look at the Texans' ten games this season.  In the seven victories this season, the Texans have trailed for a grand total of -- wait for it -- zero minutes and zero seconds.  Yes, you read that right.

Schaub has been absolutely phenomenal early in games -- specifically on opening drives.  The Texans have scored touchdowns on six of their ten opening drives this season, and five of those have been courtesy of Schaub (five TD passes, one TD run). 

Note:  Oddly, the Texans have received the opening kickoff in nine out of ten games this season, with the Oakland game being the lone exception.  In that game, the defense forced a three and out before the offense drove down the field and Schaub hit Kevin Walter for a touchdown.

When you add this all together, what we find is that while Schaub may not be the fourth quarter magician that say, John Elway or Joe Montana were (though he's not quite the Heimlich man some paint him as), but this season he has absolutely excelled at getting and keeping his team in front. 

This allows Barian Fostate to exert their dominance on the ground and allows the defense to pin their ears back and come after the quarterback.  In other words, it allows the team to play to their strengths.

So when looking at what the team may have lost from Schaub and what they need from Leinart, the question should not be "can you win a Super Bowl with Leinart" ('tis a silly question as quarterback play is one of about a million factors that play into winning a Super Bowl -- though admittedly a big one) or "can Leinart carry the team", but rather "can Leinart get this team off to a quick start?". 

If the Texans lose their ability to come out strong and are forced to play from behind, then things may get rough.  They weren't able to do that very successfully with Schaub, and it's unlikely that Leinart will suddenly provide this skill. 

On the other hand, if Leinart can maintain the team's ability to put first half points on the board, then he will not be relied upon to do all those cliche-ish things that make one "clutch," and the team will be able to maintain its success.

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Great analysis Vega! Love your work

I don’t think either Schaub or Leinart are the equivalent of a roaring night in the sack with an energetic, experimentally oriented super model, but if Leinart can at least deliver the equivalent of some good “side boob” when needed, we’ll do just fine.

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by MeMongo on Nov 16, 2011 3:12 PM CST reply actions  

I guess moobs won't do....

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by Rip Jersey on Nov 16, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

What isn't in the statistics is Matt's ability to read defenses and find the open man

This comes with experience, and is invaluable against those teams with a good pash rush, because it allows him to get the ball out quickly. This is my main worry with Leinart, because it will take him a while to get to that point where the game slows down for him.

And can I suggest that we make it Bearian Fostate? Because they are both beasts. Actually, Beastian Fostate, although not exactly a true melding of names, feels better to me.

by BleachBum on Nov 16, 2011 3:16 PM CST reply actions  

I dont want to give the wrong impression here.

I think Leinart will do just fine. I just hope no one panics if he struggles a bit his first game or two.

by BleachBum on Nov 16, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

It actually is in the stats

Schaub ranks 8th in interception percentage and 13th in completion percentage. That means that he’s hitting his passes while not throwing picks. He’s also 8th in fewest sacks taken if we keep the threshold at 200 pass attempts.

Add that together and it supports your concept.

by Vega on Nov 16, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Hard for the defense to intercept the ball when it is at the shoe laces of the WR

so maybe that is a planned targeting design?

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by MeMongo on Nov 16, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

He's top 10 anyway you cut it.

The DYAR and DVOA stats are telling. And anyone that has watched Schaub for more than a year knows he has been playing hurt, and it has effected his accuracy this year. I think Leinart will not be as good as Schaub, but he will be good enough to win with this team.

by McAggie on Nov 16, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I like it just how it was introduced...

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by chuckiepoo on Nov 16, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

It was greened. Those who bear the Battle Red have spoken.

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by chuckiepoo on Nov 16, 2011 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

It has been written, Barian Fostate is the official name for this beast in Texans mythology.

We now need photoshop of the two players joined. Who has the skills? To mend both players into one perfect image to post all over the Webs.

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by WreckNTexan on Nov 16, 2011 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Heretic! Blashemer!!!

Stone him, stone him. He speaks against that which has been written>>>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNeq2Utm0nU

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by chuckiepoo on Nov 16, 2011 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

What about continuous improvement?

Where is my support from the six sigma guys?? Huh? huh??

by BleachBum on Nov 17, 2011 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

From Accuscore:

http://accuscore.com/analysis/nfl-betting-analysis/schaub-texans-injury-impact?ref=rec
I dont understand why they think lienart will be passing more because we will be playing from behind more. With our D and our running game, I don’t get it. Why does schaub going out mean that our D will give up points and how does that change fosters ability to make everyone miss on a screen pass for an 80 yard td. Yeah Schaub gets credit for the TD throw, but its not like he’s throwing strikes in the redone into the end zone. Week 17 storyline: How overblown a qb really is on legitimately complete team like the texans. I can’t remember ever seeing such a force on the ground and on D. But hey, I’m young, what do i know?

by MiamiTexas on Nov 16, 2011 3:18 PM CST reply actions  

It kind of makes sense if you note what I said about quick starts

The Texans have done an incredible job of getting out to quick leads and then letting the running game/pass rush take over. If they struggle to get out to those quick leads, then the potential to fall behind increases, even if the defense continues to play at a high level. That may lead to an increase in pass attempts as the team may play from behind more.

by Vega on Nov 16, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

But how much of that was schaub being awesome?

Cant there be a case for the offensive scheme, do we need an all-star qb to hit OD wide open on a boot or toss a screen to arian? Obviously losing Schaub hurts our ariel attack, but I think we are putting too much behind that. A moderately competent qb should be able to run our offense. Again, I don’t know much about the numbers, just what i observe.

by MiamiTexas on Nov 16, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Made me shoot beer from my nose

Thanks for that painfully funny post.

no matter how bad they play, no matter how stupid they act, I still love my texans!

by trutxfan on Nov 16, 2011 8:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

First of all, great analysis...

 I know mentioned how many timea they scored on opening drives, but maybe looking at Schaub’s stats on opening drives or even 1st quarters would give a better picture of how much he contributes to the fast starts. And keep up the good work!

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by RaY210 on Nov 16, 2011 8:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

How about John Fox embracing the Tebow experience?
“Do whatever the hell it takes,” he laughed. “I mean, what the hell? You don’t get points for style in this league. Let me tell you something: My man is really good in this offense. You know what I mean? If we were trying to run a regular offense, he’d be screwed.”

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by Rip Jersey on Nov 16, 2011 3:23 PM CST reply actions  

He forgives you

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by Rip Jersey on Nov 16, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Looks like a case of the bubble-guts to me

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by Jordann on Nov 16, 2011 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

/laughing...

I learn more reusable terminology here. My wife’s favorite phrase lately is: “Where do you come UP with this stuff?”… I just smile and say: “I’m just a widely traveled and well-read man of mystery…”

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by DilloTex on Nov 17, 2011 8:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Forgive me for this ...

but I had in my head that you were a UF fan. Is this incorrect?

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by MDC on Nov 16, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

you mean

the Oilers?

my Z key can't take another free agent flurry

by texanphil on Nov 16, 2011 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Shakespeare? Is that you?

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 17, 2011 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I have a photo

of Antonio Smith
headed to the locker room after warmups, last one off the field, he got my respect even more than before
I will try to put here, alcohol may prtevent this at this time but so what
if you witnessed this event, then you know I’m drunk, but I have pitshers to proove it. so fuggit, i will si wut hapinz
it won’t doit ohwell

Beer, it's not just for breakfast anymore

by Chrxtopher on Nov 16, 2011 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh my Lord...

DRUNKEN STUPOR FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have no idea what you said, but it was beautiful and poetic I’m sure.

by Peckerwood on Nov 17, 2011 12:01 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

He played for UF

and I live in gator country. If my mom played for UF I would boo her relentlessly.

by Vega on Nov 17, 2011 7:21 AM CST up reply actions  

/laughing... booing moms FTW...

Now that is hardcore…

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by DilloTex on Nov 17, 2011 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Awesome Post

So awesome that you made me create a new section/post category and a handful of tags in honor of you.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Nov 16, 2011 3:26 PM CST reply actions  

By the way

does this make you Lumberg?

by Vega on Nov 16, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I Guess So

And I’m gonna need you to blog on Saturday.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Nov 16, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

You also forgot the Will Carroll-ian intro

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 16, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm Sailing!... I'm sailing... I'm Sailing!..

Oh, sorry.. I thought he said “what about bob?”..

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by roo7227 on Nov 16, 2011 3:33 PM CST reply actions  

Everyone is being too funny tonight

Are we overcompansating for our inner dread?

no matter how bad they play, no matter how stupid they act, I still love my texans!

by trutxfan on Nov 16, 2011 8:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Yes

"There's no reason to become alarmed, and we hope you'll enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?"

by MeMongo on Nov 16, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Definitely this! ^^

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Nov 16, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

So, teh Vega is Bob and Bob?

I find that pretty cool

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by Barryfromtexas on Nov 16, 2011 3:33 PM CST reply actions  

I told those fudge packers Iiked Michael Bolton

Why do you say this to me, when you know I will kill you for it?

by benefactor on Nov 16, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

*I*

Why do you say this to me, when you know I will kill you for it?

by benefactor on Nov 16, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Needs more flare

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by MeMongo on Nov 16, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

reason why we make the playoffs...

1. teams that start 7-3 make the playoffs 84% of the time.
2. we have the second easiest schedule remaining.(behind only the pats)
3.titans have the 8th toughest schedule remaining

 this is a nice article brother. ima numbers guy also so your job actually sounds like its pretty cool.

"Well if they've been watching football, i dont think they would say its the same old Texans. I went down. Mario went down. Danieal Manning went down and right now we're sitting at the top of the AFC. If they feel that way they were bandwagoners antways. So thats the way if feel about it." Andre Johnson

by F-BombTheJets on Nov 16, 2011 3:40 PM CST reply actions  

I'm literally going to copy and paste the 3 reasons.

for further use.

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by Carter Liles on Nov 16, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

proceed...

it looks like, barring an epic fail, we will make the playoffs. although as texans fans we all know that an epic fail is not beyond the realm of possibility.

"Well if they've been watching football, i dont think they would say its the same old Texans. I went down. Mario went down. Danieal Manning went down and right now we're sitting at the top of the AFC. If they feel that way they were bandwagoners antways. So thats the way if feel about it." Andre Johnson

by F-BombTheJets on Nov 16, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

bullseye

"Well if they've been watching football, i dont think they would say its the same old Texans. I went down. Mario went down. Danieal Manning went down and right now we're sitting at the top of the AFC. If they feel that way they were bandwagoners antways. So thats the way if feel about it." Andre Johnson

by F-BombTheJets on Nov 16, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

but what is the percentage

of teams that start 7-3 but lose their QB, then replace him with a lefthander before a bye week then make the playoffs?

my Z key can't take another free agent flurry

by texanphil on Nov 16, 2011 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm glad you asked, because I just found something interesting...

A left hander once considered a bust at Tampa Bay was traded to the 49ers as backup to Joe Montana and rose to the occasion when Joe got hurt. His name? Steve Young

The Buccaneers selected University of Miami quarterback Vinny Testaverde first overall in the 1987 NFL Draft because Young was deemed a bust, and he was traded to the San Francisco 49ers on April 24, 1987, to serve as a backup to Joe Montana.

Steve Young played behind Montana his first several years, but shined as a backup. Substituting for an injured Montana, early in the first quarter of a 1987 game against the Chicago Bears, he threw 4 touchdown passes in a 41–0 victory. On October 30, 1988, Young ran through the Minnesota Vikings for a 49-yard, game-winning touchdown run. He started the game out with a 73-yard touchdown pass to John Taylor, after Montana went down with an injury. The play earned the 49ers a 24–21 victory and a bit of revenge on the Vikings, who had defeated them in the 1987 playoffs.

In 1989, he displayed his potential to become the team’s starter in the future. While Montana won the NFL MVP award and led the team to victory in Super Bowl XXIV, Young still had a good season, completing 69% of his passes for 1,001 yards and 8 touchdowns, with only 3 interceptions. On October 22, 1989, he posted a perfect passer rating of 158.3 when he completed 11 of 12 passes for 188 yards and three touchdown passes in a 37–20 victory over the New England Patriots. In his four seasons as a backup, Young had thrown 23 touchdown passes and only six interceptions.

Records and Legacy

    Second-Highest Passer Rating, Career – 96.8
    Most Rushing Touchdowns by a QB, Career – 43
    Most Passing Titles, Career – 6 (tied w/Sammy Baugh)
    Most Consecutive Passing Titles – 4 (1991–94)
    Most Seasons With a Passer Rating Over 100, Career – 6 (1991–94, 1997–98)
    Most Consecutive Games w/300+ Yards Passing – 6 (Young was the first QB to do this in 1998; Kurt Warner (2000) and Rich Gannon (2002) have since tied the mark)
    One of only 4 QB’s to lead the league in touchdown passes 4 times (tied w/Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, and Len Dawson)
    Most Passes Attempted, Playoff Game – 65 vs. Green Bay, 1995
    Most TD Passes, Playoff Game – 6 (tied w/Daryle Lamonica)
    Most TD Passes in one Super Bowl – 6
    Most Rushing Yards by a QB, Postseason Career – 594
    Most Rushing Touchdowns by a QB, Postseason Career – 8
    Second most career passing yards amongst left-handed QB’s (behind Boomer Esiason).

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by MeMongo on Nov 16, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

To dream..........

If only things could work out for us that way.

no matter how bad they play, no matter how stupid they act, I still love my texans!

by trutxfan on Nov 16, 2011 9:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

If Leinart does a fraction of what Young did to start out 1987..we'll be fine...

'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert

by chuckiepoo on Nov 16, 2011 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's a link to Matt Thomas' interview yesterday with Joel Dreessen

In it, Dreessen says that he will be confident with Matt Leinart and Leinart has received significant practice time with the First Team the last few weeks, due to Schaub’s nagging injuries.

"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster

by Rip Jersey on Nov 16, 2011 3:50 PM CST reply actions  

Is it just me

or does anyone else think that teh Schaub, if not a quarterback, might have been a serial killer? I mean, it’s the eyes. IT’S THE EYES! That whole eating-into-your-soul stare.

Other than the whole serial killer look, I have a lot of respect for him.

A cornucopia of wholesome goodness!

by Gerbillogic on Nov 16, 2011 4:29 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

...with a nice chianti

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 16, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

pronounced "keeYANtee"

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 16, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

not Chianti West?

A cornucopia of wholesome goodness!

by Gerbillogic on Nov 16, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

is it a gay fish?

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by Taco Joe on Nov 16, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe the answer is yes.

- Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.

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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Nov 16, 2011 10:52 PM CST up reply actions  

yep, that's the look

A cornucopia of wholesome goodness!

by Gerbillogic on Nov 16, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

And Matt 2 is an Agent.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 16, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Agent Matty Smith?

A cornucopia of wholesome goodness!

by Gerbillogic on Nov 16, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmm

Someone needs to photoshop him into a dark suit and sunglasses.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 16, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Wasn't going to say anything about that but it was the first thing I noticed...

does that make me a homophobe?

'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert

by chuckiepoo on Nov 16, 2011 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

You, sir, deserve a nice reccing!

Well done!

My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.

by f22a4bandit on Nov 17, 2011 2:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I believe the term is "dogophobe"...

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 17, 2011 8:16 AM CST up reply actions  

He said something about grabbing

Not sniffing!

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Marc Kahlberg
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by Barryfromtexas on Nov 17, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Schaub thinking....
His milkshakes bring all the girls to the tub, and their like; “It’s better than yours”

"There's no reason to become alarmed, and we hope you'll enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?"

by MeMongo on Nov 17, 2011 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Looks kinda like a 20's silent movie star to me

no matter how bad they play, no matter how stupid they act, I still love my texans!

by trutxfan on Nov 16, 2011 8:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

No shit...

I’ve been creeped out by him for a while…that dead eyed stare is scary looking.

by Peckerwood on Nov 16, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

/sucks bottom lip in a disgusting way

"Well if they've been watching football, i dont think they would say its the same old Texans. I went down. Mario went down. Danieal Manning went down and right now we're sitting at the top of the AFC. If they feel that way they were bandwagoners antways. So thats the way if feel about it." Andre Johnson

by F-BombTheJets on Nov 16, 2011 4:39 PM CST reply actions  

Keenum to San Fran?

I do find that they apparently have us losing the SB to be interesting.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 16, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

it seems like

the list is based off of current standings, since we’re atop the AFC and GB is #1 in the NFC

"We're goin with what we got"

by silentassassin on Nov 16, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

ugg.

that draft looks HORRIBLE for Houston…

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by Carter Liles on Nov 16, 2011 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 16, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

speaing of draft.

If all hell breaks loose and we can’t/ decide not to keep Foster (which in that case I will loose all respect for our FO) I think LaMicheal james would be a cool addition to maintain that 1-2 punch. thoughts?

by BC5 on Nov 16, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

naw i will pass on him.

too injury prone. but if he is sitting there in the 3rd i might have to think about it.

by southpaw70 on Nov 16, 2011 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 16, 2011 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

hell no.

Hate every single pick on this board.

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by Carter Liles on Nov 16, 2011 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm seeing Planetoid NT Ta'amu, WU Huskie.

'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert

by chuckiepoo on Nov 16, 2011 6:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly. given who picks who where, lets try this

1. NT Ta’amu
2. WR Nick Toon
3. ILB Jerry Franklin
4. OG Kevin Zeitler
5. S Brandon Taylor or G James Wilson or something.

 After that, No idea

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by Carter Liles on Nov 16, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather take Dwight Jones in the 1st & hope Chapman falls to us in the 2nd

Otherwise I could settle for another NT in the 2nd

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 16, 2011 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

ill watch tape on both.

im not familiar with chapman, but I’m not huge on Jones. ideally, that 2nd round wide receiver is fuller to me.

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by Carter Liles on Nov 16, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I prefer to avoid any offensive prospects from A&M

Chapman is a NT at Alabama. Jones is 6’4", 225 lbs, & tons of upside

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 16, 2011 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I see jones at 245... tape time!!

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by Carter Liles on Nov 16, 2011 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Heres what I see Man.

Fuller: Willing Blocker. Decent hands. Good cuts. Always giving effort.

Jones: GREAT hands, Good speed, But absolutely no tape of him blocking well.

 Fuller looks the safer pick while Jones looks high risk high reward.

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by Carter Liles on Nov 16, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

At Dwight Jones' size, I'm sure Kubiak & co. can teach him how to block

However, Fuller probably ain’t getting any faster & his hands need work. Plus it’s not like we’ll be expecting whichever WR we draft to step in immediately & contribute, so I’d rather take the guy with the higher ceiling

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 16, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Fuller, but prefer 2010 version

I agree he lacks deep speed, but he has had a nagging hamstring injury all year long, and I don’t think he has gotten the confidence he had back, and I think that has afffected other aspects of his game ie his hands. Just my opinion tho

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by jstid911 on Nov 17, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

that's a shock

That a sip would “avoid an offensive prospects from a&m”. Too bad the rest of the country doesn’t agree. Are their even any longhorns in the projected first round?

by HTown80 on Nov 16, 2011 11:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

that's a shock

That a sip would “avoid any offensive prospects from a&m”. Too bad the rest of the country doesn’t agree. Were there even any longhorns in the projected first round?

by HTown80 on Nov 16, 2011 11:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I wouldn't care for any of them either

I’m sticking to my guns & saying the Texans will draft Dwight Jones from UNC in the first round, especially if we have a very late pick in the first round

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 17, 2011 3:20 AM CST up reply actions  

idk

it’d be cool to hear all of Reliant go “TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNN”

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by theSpaceCityKid on Nov 16, 2011 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I could settle for Nick Toon

He at least looks the part, plus it would continue the pipeline from Wisconsin

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 16, 2011 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

anuther Badger??

'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert

by chuckiepoo on Nov 16, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

What about Edwards from UH?

Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.

by swikky on Nov 16, 2011 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Too small for the Texans offense

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 17, 2011 3:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Fuck No, especially with Broyles coming off an injury

Not to mention he’s only 5’10". He’s too small for what Kubiak wants in a WR

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 16, 2011 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

He's fast as hell. runs good routes. we could get him pretty low in the draft. He'd make a great slot.

Height for a #1 or #2 WR is important. But not so much for a slot receiver. Welker’s short, so I guess he sucks too, right?

Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.

by swikky on Nov 16, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I wasn't thinking 1st round by no means, more like 6th or 7th. Is that what you thought I was thinking?

Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.

by swikky on Nov 16, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Our receivers have different responsibilities from other teams

I don’t think the Texans will draft a WR shorter than 6’2"

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 17, 2011 3:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Our slot WRs are different from other slot WRs

Besides, Owen Daniels is usually the slot receiver anyways. What we need is someone that can eventually take over Andre’s job in the long run

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 17, 2011 3:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Also, what the hell is a sip?

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 17, 2011 3:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, that doesn't make sense for me since I'm no UT alum

As far as I’m concerned, college is just an expensive way to forget about common sense. Besides, I chose the military over college anyways

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 17, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Besides, UT sucks this year. Why would I want to follow them?

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 17, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

HTown80 was saying that even though he went to UT,

and because of that, is ostensibly predisposed to rooting against anything coming from OU (such as Broyles), he still thinks that Broyles would be a good fit as a slot receiver in our offense.

by Tailgate Andy on Nov 17, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Again, no he wouldn't, he's too small for our offense

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 17, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Does Broyles still go in the first, since he's injured?

Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.

"Have you ever noticed that? We base our assessment of the intelligence of others almost entirely on how closely their thinking matches our own. I’m sure that there are people out there who violently disagree with me on most things, and I’m broad-minded enough to concede that they might possibly not be complete idiots, but I much prefer the company of people who agree with me."

by Autra on Nov 17, 2011 12:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I really think we will be fine.

if matt L is moderate i still think we are capable of playing with anybody. Luckly we really dont play anybody the rest of the season (Atl. and @cincy being the tough ones). Its the best case sinario for a bad situation. Matt L will have enought time to get some real games in, in the reg. season and then be aclimated and settled come playoff time. if schaub is out for then.

by Texan5513 on Nov 16, 2011 5:02 PM CST reply actions  

Hey Teh Schuab, will Matty Light make it to the Super Bowl?

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by WreckNTexan on Nov 16, 2011 5:22 PM CST reply actions  

He's doing Robert de Niro?

"There's no reason to become alarmed, and we hope you'll enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?"

by MeMongo on Nov 16, 2011 7:52 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

nice

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Wade Aid Is the Best Drink in the League.
Whitest, I ment Meanest Front Seven in Football.

by WreckNTexan on Nov 16, 2011 10:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting stuff

I too am Six Sigma verified (black belt, took me 45 minutes and $300)…and you totally write like someone that works in that line (but I won’t hold it against you).

As happy as I am that we have Leinart coming in instead of Dan O or Rex, this will be a very long two weeks of speculation. As a fan, I hate bye weeks.

by Big T33 on Nov 16, 2011 5:24 PM CST reply actions  

*certifiable?

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 16, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Great article, Vega.

Of course, its relevance factor is only .0062 now that Schaub’s hurt, haha.

Seriously though, I agree with your conclusion. A lot of the Texans’ success this year has been playing from ahead, and Schaub’s been excellent on opening drives. I think we’ll be looking at some closer games, but we’ll still get our wins.

by JBal on Nov 16, 2011 6:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

These are some great pictures of Shaub

If you put a corncob pipe in his mouth and a sailor hat onh him in the top pic, he’d look just like Popeye

If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan

by professortex on Nov 16, 2011 6:39 PM CST reply actions  

Give the man some spinach

He’ll be back in no time!

If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan

by professortex on Nov 16, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I think they are given mandatory break

Not allowed to practice or be at the facility I think. Some new rules in the CBA.

by fgp on Nov 16, 2011 7:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The Drive on 97.5 was trippin out about it

Saying he should be in the playbook and not with his kid in Cali

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by Antho10000 on Nov 16, 2011 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Something tells me

he’s got the playbook with him, and game film.

by Big T33 on Nov 16, 2011 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

It's gonna be the whole Romo in Mexico thing again.

If he comes out struggling

With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg!

by RaY210 on Nov 16, 2011 8:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Even though it’s required time off

With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg!

by RaY210 on Nov 16, 2011 8:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The solution for this?

Stop listening to sports radio.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 16, 2011 9:04 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Or just drink MOAR!

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Marc Kahlberg
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by Barryfromtexas on Nov 16, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

97.5 is not sports radio. is that where you're getting your sports intel? 97.5 the box?

It’s a mandatory week off. Everybody’s going on vacation, seeing family, etc. Not just him.

Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.

by swikky on Nov 16, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

While you're right on most of that, 97.9 is KBXX

Still, I wouldn’t go to either 97.9 or 97.5 for any sports info

Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.

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by Autra on Nov 17, 2011 1:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Amen!

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 17, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

nice article.

i am confident in matt 2, however, i was concerned with the offense not being as efficient. matt 1 has that offense running like a fine oiled machine mostly. so how much does it matter if matt 2 doesn’t run it as cleanly? like you say, we will be playing behind which risks all that is working for us on both sides of the ball.
how long does it take for matt 2 to get it running cleanly if he can at all?
i believe if he does get it going, then watch out.

oh the high drama!

by Danpassurweenie on Nov 16, 2011 6:49 PM CST reply actions  

Ok, easy explanation here

Schaub was a 3rd round pick. Leinart was a 1st round pick. BAM! 1st round pick beats 3rd round pick…its soo simple! Relax guys, its in the bag/tub

by Its Gonna Happen on Nov 16, 2011 7:53 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Kurt Warner was undrafted

Explain that

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 16, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

So was Foster

I see a trend! Oh wait, two data points is not a correlation…yet

"There's no reason to become alarmed, and we hope you'll enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?"

by MeMongo on Nov 16, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Thinking MVP there?

'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert

by chuckiepoo on Nov 16, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

If he posts 1200+ yards rushing, 800+ yards receiving

after missing a couple of games, he’d sure be a contender. But since he plays for Houston, we’d have to win the Superbowl to get serious consideration. Even then they’d probably give it to Aaron Rodgers as a consolation to the rest of the NFL market.

"There's no reason to become alarmed, and we hope you'll enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?"

by MeMongo on Nov 16, 2011 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure the last time a nonQB won the award...

LaDainian Tomlinson in ’06 and Shaun Alexander in ’05….

'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert

by chuckiepoo on Nov 16, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Not necessarily

If we still hold on to the #1 seed & Foster is a big reason for that, there’s a chance he could win. However, Aaron Rodgers is making it pretty hard for anyone else to be in the discussion. Well anyone else except for Peightun Manning

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 17, 2011 3:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow Vega

You do know we all drink right? All kidding aside, I’m proud to be a BRB guy with all this intelligence rolling through here. My only question for you is where in your equations is the emotional impact. We saw an emotional drop off right after Andre went down. Then we rebounded. I’m not sure if we dropped off after Mario went down(I drink ok) but its a consideration at least.

no matter how bad they play, no matter how stupid they act, I still love my texans!

by trutxfan on Nov 16, 2011 8:54 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I heard Winston talk on Sirius NFL today

and he sounded supremely confident that Leinart could keep it going without any drop off.

His reasoning was that this was his second year in the system, and he has experience starting, so its not like we’re sending out a rookie, or a career backup who just got here.

He made it sound like this team realizes this opportunity this year, and is not gonna let anything stop it. I felt a lot better after hearing him talk.

my Z key can't take another free agent flurry

by texanphil on Nov 16, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel good about Matt 2.0

I think with the bye, and facing jaxonville he can get the team moving and gain some confidence. If all the pieces fall together, I think we can make a deep run into the playoffs. I’m a bit to jaded to think Super Bowl though.

no matter how bad they play, no matter how stupid they act, I still love my texans!

by trutxfan on Nov 16, 2011 9:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Lol

no matter how bad they play, no matter how stupid they act, I still love my texans!

by trutxfan on Nov 16, 2011 9:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

O.K. that's awesome.

Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.

by swikky on Nov 16, 2011 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

That name has not been voted on sir...

I didn’t get a vote at least, I’m sticking with Matt #2 until Matt #2 starts a game. Then he can be just “Matt”…or if he sucks it will be Shitty Matt, or Matt the shit, or Shatt perhaps. I haven’t decided yet. I have also decided to start calling DeMeco, TheMeco now. I abhor slang and “De car iz cleaned” kinda shit isn’t acceptable for a Texans Linebacker. His name is now TheMeco. WRITE IT DOWN, LET IT BE SO.

by Peckerwood on Nov 16, 2011 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice analysis Vega

We had a top 10 QB
We now have to work in the backup
My only real concern is the backup’s backup – but I am not overly concerned there.

"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell

by Barryfromtexas on Nov 16, 2011 9:31 PM CST reply actions  

at least one "expert"

says Matt2 will fail and we’ll see Yates before the season is out.

Leinart's 2011 final line: 6 wins, 3 losses. 12 TDs - 2 INTs, 2,100 yards with 62% completion.

by texanphil on Nov 17, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

As an aside

Who do we have to kill to get rid of the most stupid rule in the NFL that says you get a fifteen yard penalty for throwing a silly red flag at the wrong moment?

no matter how bad they play, no matter how stupid they act, I still love my texans!

by trutxfan on Nov 16, 2011 9:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

The guy that called the penalty in the game...

Start there, they’ll get the drift. “Bob, NO NO NO, don’t throw that penalty flag, the last guy that handed down that stupid penalty got whacked!”

by Peckerwood on Nov 16, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

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by MeMongo on Nov 17, 2011 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Not enough firepower. I suggest this combo

One of these

with a drum magazine full of these

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by The Night Owl on Nov 17, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That is just pure awesomeness in weapon form.

I saw the History Channel (I think) show on that thing….it was WICKED. Talk about a room broom.

Just my $.02
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by txknight on Nov 17, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

what is this???

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by Carter Liles on Nov 17, 2011 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

The top photo is the AA-12 full automatic shotgun with drum magazines

The bottom photo is the FRAG-12 round, which is a 12 Gauge Fragmentation Grenade Round

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 17, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

ahh gotcha

 I’ve seen that shotty before, but I’ve never seen those shells before. very nice!

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by Carter Liles on Nov 18, 2011 2:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Great analysis as always

But I have a bone to pick the data you have on Schaub’s performance in the fourth quarter. Have you broken down the quality of incompletions? Because I remember some of it being the receiver’s fault and what not. How do you work that in the equation?

If this has been brought up already, I apologize. I just Shift A’d all the comments.

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by Jordann on Nov 16, 2011 10:01 PM CST reply actions  

And I z-ed past yours

Circle of life.

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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 16, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I can live with that.

I’m starting to view comments in front page posts like I do in the OT’s. I need to stop hanging around there too much. Their bad luck is rubbing off on me!

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by Jordann on Nov 16, 2011 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Yet, you managed to comment on it:P

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by Barryfromtexas on Nov 16, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Most boxes of choclates

tell you EXACTLY what you’re going to get, on the bottom of the box. Sorry if I ruined the fun.

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by Xiane on Nov 16, 2011 10:49 PM CST up reply actions  

lmao

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by Hydroshock on Nov 17, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Stolen. And rec'd.

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by MDC on Nov 17, 2011 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

'snot wat Momma said.

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by chuckiepoo on Nov 17, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I like it...

makes me hungry…Arabian Potatoes….ever had one? They’re delicious…just like the ones from Idaho but they’re more exotic because they come from more civilized dirt.

by Peckerwood on Nov 17, 2011 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Reminds me of Ron White

Tater-Fost lulz

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by Barryfromtexas on Nov 17, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I have gas...

From some delicious beans I have been munching on the last couple days that is more intellectually stimulating than this writing. Absolute crap. Worse than crap. Worse than my stinky farts. I can’t believe you are actually employed by someone.

Joking of course, you had a paragraph in there that made me go cross-eyed. I usually grasp what I’m reading pretty well, even if I have to re-read it a couple/few times to put the puzzle together, but after the first 4 sentences I gave up and read it just for the sake of completing the entire article. Great analysis though but as with any sports related numerical and nerd fest systems that try to quantify quality or likelihoods or whatever, they understandably ignore the human aspects. Things that can’t be quantified. Though often predicted just based on behavioral analysis (ie, I’ve seen him do it 100 times, he fuckin SUCKS). Anywho, not sure what I’m getting at other than to say that numbers alone aren’t amazingly accurate when predicting human behavior. There’s 1000 factors that can contribute to failure, a chick with a screeching voice in the front row could fuck with a QB’s equilibrium for a millisecond and cause him to overthrow a receiver by a centimeter. A QB’s dad could have called him a pussy when he was 12 and for some reason he dreamed about it the night before. He could have the shits which make his hands a little extra moist from wiping his brow trying to hold it until the end of the game…or maybe he is clenching his cheeks to keep from pooping in his nice stain-free white pants and that causes him to be a little too stiff and toss a pick. God that would be embarrassing…shitting on yourself as an NFL player. It would suck to have a guy go unconscious when he had the runs after a big hit…he’d evacuate his bowels in a hurry…that would be an awesome scene though. You’d see all the guys huddling around the player then as if a signal was raised they’d all turn and haul ass away from him. The trainers putting towels over their faces…fuck that would be awesome. If I see that happen before I die I will die laughing my ass off.

by Peckerwood on Nov 17, 2011 12:47 AM CST reply actions  

I have not yet begun to defile myself.

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by MDC on Nov 17, 2011 8:19 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That my friend

Was the most brilliant reading you’ve ever read. Even if you don’t know it. One day there will be a cult to Peckerwood and it will be considered an honor to shit yourself on a football field. Write it down, it has been said and so it shall be.

by Peckerwood on Nov 17, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

He just said

He wants to see someone literally knock the shit out of someone.

He was just a bit more flowery and verbose in doing so. :)

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by Barryfromtexas on Nov 17, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

r the astros moving to l.a.??

"Well if they've been watching football, i dont think they would say its the same old Texans. I went down. Mario went down. Danieal Manning went down and right now we're sitting at the top of the AFC. If they feel that way they were bandwagoners antways. So thats the way if feel about it." Andre Johnson

by F-BombTheJets on Nov 17, 2011 2:00 AM CST reply actions  

No, they're moving to the A.L.

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"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 17, 2011 3:33 AM CST up reply actions  

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