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Kubiak Konundrum -- Tampa Bay Bucs Edition

Last week in the Kubiak Konundrum, I wrote a post about my impending nuptials. Lissy F'n May decided she wasn't all that sure that posting a picture of her as, well, a football player was the most elegant of things for me to post the week of our wedding and asked me to post a wedding picture to counterbalance it. I tried to tell her how bad ass every male from the Battle Red Community thought that picture made her (on a side note, she just called me from a business trip and told me she was watching the '04 USC vs. Oregon game on ESPN Classic to scout Matt Leinart). I tried to tell her that the interwebs is forever and those pictures have been up for two years and will never go away.

Alas, she was unpersuaded by reason and being that I have been married for less than a week, I decided to oblige her. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert at this matrimonial bliss thing yet. In fact, what I am about to write pretty much guarantees that I'm not. However, sometimes you just have to accept that people can be at times brilliant and at other times that same person can seem as challenged by the concept of logic as Bud Adams is by the notion of integrity. But, you still love that person and try to remember the brilliant moments. No, I'm not talking about my wife. I promise. I'm talking about Gary Kubiak.

Star-divide

While Kubiak has traded off mildly positive and negative decisions all year, last week he decided to spice things up around the Konundrum and give us, in my estimation, this season's first brilliant decision. He followed that, in true Kubiak fashion, with the season's first truly moronic one, ensuring that his naysayers could at least have some ammunition in regards to an otherwise fantastic weekend. As much as the royal we would love to stick our fingers in our ears, say 37-9 over and over and over, and ignore every other bit of news that happened during (and especially after) the game, sometimes them's the breaks. So, on to the whole Enchirito:

1=terrible call, 2=negative, 3=neutral, 4=positive, and 5=outstanding.

1Q. 4:38 left. 3rd and Goal from the Bucs' 5 yard line. Up 6-0.
Matt Schaub threw over the middle into the hands of a Bucs defender, who snatched the pass, fumbled on the two, recovered and gave the Bucs possession, taking away a certain chip shot field goal. I, for one, thought the fault was more Derrick Mason's than Schaub's for not reading that he was the hot route and looking for the ball. But, that debate is for another blog series. To his credit, Mason knocked the ball loose after the interception, causing a fumble which the Bucs recovered, almost saving the Texans from a costly turnover.

Commercial Break.

But wait! Kubiak challenged the interception, saying Mason knocked the ball loose during the catch. I found the fact that the TV crew hadn't even considered it an option telling. As did my Twitter timeline, which tore its hair out (or would it be feathers?) over another komical Kubiak challenge. But, then, for the second straight week and second straight challenge, Kubiak shocked the world, and the officials overturned the call, much to the amazement of the broadcast booth. Neil Rackers nailed the aforementioned chip shot field goal, and Kubiak had three extra points to stuff into his proverbial back pocket, or perhaps stick as feathers into his proverbial cap. Just like the last challenge Kubiak won, that no one expected the call to be overturned shows why a coach can't just wait for those calls which appear absolutely indisputable. Percentages must be weighed.

The fact that the challenge was by no means a slam dunk, the fact that winning the challenge gave us automatic points, the fact that said points gave us a two-score lead make me want to give this the season's first 5 for an outstanding call. I don't see how it could be any less than a 4.  I'll let you all be the judges in the poll.

4Q. 11:18 left. 30-3 lead.
Preston Parker bobbles a pass as he crosses the goal line. Kubiak throws the red flag, even though every scoring play is challenged anyway. Which, of course, is a fifteen yard penalty. I don't care that the rule is ridiculous (in other circumstances a red flag on an unchallengable play is simply picked up by the refs and handed back to the coach). I don't care that the refs took extra time before upholding the ruling. I don't care that the game was well in hand. On the flip side, I don't care that extra fifteen yards emboldened Raheem Morris to onside kick (or that he probably should have anyway). I don't care that the extra fifteen yards kept us from having amazing field position. I don't care about any of the specifics either way because the decision to throw the flag shows at the very least an inability to control emotions and at the very worst an ignorance of the rules.

Inexcusable. I give Kubiak a 1 for utter stupidity and also for giving the resident lynch mob more rope to string him up with. This time, the rope was strong and well earned.

So, there you have it. The best of times, the worst of times, a post filled with two uses of the word proverbial in one sentence, the excitement of the first 1 and the first 5 (most likely) ratings of the season, and . . . I guess it's time for me to shut up and get to the scorecard.

Bucs Game:
1: 1 play
TBD: 1 play

Season Totals:
1: 1 play
2: 6 plays.
3: 10 plays.
4: 9 plays.

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Poll
Gary Kubiak's successful decision to challenge the Bucs' interception in the first quarter was . . .
1 -- Ridiculous and still the wrong move.
1 votes
2 -- The case of the sun shining on every dog's butt every once in awhile.
25 votes
3 -- A tough call gone right for once.
28 votes
4 -- A shrewd, calculated move.
25 votes
5 -- Brilliant. A gutsy call that not many believed in and paid off big.
150 votes

229 votes | Poll has closed

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It was a no brainer

the field position, the momentum, the benefits out-weighed the possible downside immensely.

the second one, no brains. But no harm, no foul. why isn’t there someone in the gorram booth to double check the red flag plays.

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by distant_texans_fan on Nov 17, 2011 3:24 AM CST reply actions  

This series was a great idea

Takes some of the emotion and anecdotal evidence out our evaluation of Kubes, with interesting results. Enjoyed the read!

BTW, voted “4”, because it was a borderline no brainer — not much to lose, and a lot to gain. Even if he had lost the challenge, it was still a good idea to throw the flag.

by JBal on Nov 17, 2011 9:43 AM CST reply actions  

Yes, I wanted to see the flag, if only to stall play so the Texans could regroup, plot, and scheme

The refs called it right IMO, I saw the ball move before the 2nd step, so no catch. The result was the best of all possible results. But, if the Texans lost the ball, the review timeout was just what the doctor ordered.

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by Rip Jersey on Nov 17, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

Appreciate it. Like I said, the surprise by the announcers and my twitter timeline make me think plenty of people thought it was anything but a no brainer (a brainer? a yes brainer?). That’s why I went with 5. But, if you thought it was obvious, I would agree with a 4.

by JMay on Nov 18, 2011 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

obvious in retrospect anyway.

I didn’t expect it at the time, so maybe I should have gone with 5 for him making the right call more quickly than I would have. Then again, that’s his job. Either way, good challenge.

by JBal on Nov 18, 2011 7:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Kubiak's game management is 100% improved this year

and I think Wade managing the defensive side has helped a ton.

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by MeMongo on Nov 17, 2011 10:44 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

In a nutshell this is "the answer"

"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster

by Rip Jersey on Nov 17, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Agree.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 17, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

best wishes on your upcoming marriage

In light of that, here is something that may be of interest to you.

http://baconlube.com/

just kidding…best of luck

by BleachBum on Nov 17, 2011 2:25 PM CST reply actions  

Well, I've gotta say

That pic of your wife kicks ass.

Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.

"Have you ever noticed that? We base our assessment of the intelligence of others almost entirely on how closely their thinking matches our own. I’m sure that there are people out there who violently disagree with me on most things, and I’m broad-minded enough to concede that they might possibly not be complete idiots, but I much prefer the company of people who agree with me."

by Autra on Nov 17, 2011 2:37 PM CST reply actions  

Almost wife, but you know what I mean

Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.

"Have you ever noticed that? We base our assessment of the intelligence of others almost entirely on how closely their thinking matches our own. I’m sure that there are people out there who violently disagree with me on most things, and I’m broad-minded enough to concede that they might possibly not be complete idiots, but I much prefer the company of people who agree with me."

by Autra on Nov 17, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Bah

Wife.

I need a drink.

Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.

"Have you ever noticed that? We base our assessment of the intelligence of others almost entirely on how closely their thinking matches our own. I’m sure that there are people out there who violently disagree with me on most things, and I’m broad-minded enough to concede that they might possibly not be complete idiots, but I much prefer the company of people who agree with me."

by Autra on Nov 17, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, clearly, you need more alcohol.

I have not yet begun to defile myself.

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by MDC on Nov 17, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, it's pretty sweet photography

And, you kind of sounded like her changing her mind. #tokenwifejoke

by JMay on Nov 18, 2011 12:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I was wondering why he even thought to "challenge"

On that scoring play

I still think the rule is not only stupid, but extra stupid about the 15 yd penalty. It doesn’t even slow the game down at all. At other times – the non-challenge-able challenges actually sometimes stop play, yet those are no biggie.

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Marc Kahlberg
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by Barryfromtexas on Nov 17, 2011 2:51 PM CST reply actions  

and the only thing I can see about a penalty

would be a 5 yard delay of game.

The punishment doesn’t fit the crime, so they are going out of their way to teach the coaches this new rule change.

my Z key can't take another free agent flurry

by texanphil on Nov 17, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the reason it is a 15yd unsportsmanlike penalty is b/c

it’s kind of a “fuck you” to the refs since they are to decide whether to go to the replay on scoring plays.

by jkcheng122 on Nov 17, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

not saying I like the rule, but that is what I think the reason for the 15yd penalty is.

Whereas during the game on a non-scoring play, when the red flag is picked up it comes with a explanation of why the play cannot be challenged.

by jkcheng122 on Nov 17, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah but

isn’t that what the challenge flag always is?

“Hey, dummy, you missed that call, go watch the replay, this time open your eyes!”

my Z key can't take another free agent flurry

by texanphil on Nov 17, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

True

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 18, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

In Kubiak's defense

I remember watching and thinking why haven’t the refs gone to the review yet? They took so long I was starting to think they weren’t going to review it at all so I was yelling at Kubiak to throw the flag. The penalty was bullshit.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 18, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Totally agree about the rule

Makes no sense to differentiate ineligible challenges.

by JMay on Nov 18, 2011 12:36 AM CST up reply actions  

JMAY

you are a lucky man, and I was kinda worried when I opened the picture and saw a woman in the bathtub, it took me a second to realize she was in a wedding dress… nice boots btw.

IF you and the misses are in Houston thanksgiving weekend y’all should come by for TacoJoeapalooza!

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THEREALALLENOU: "@Joeeatstacos... You're like the second testicle to my Tom green. I dont NEED you, but life is better when your around lol"
AllenOU is the Montgomery to my Patton
God blessed Texas, but he has forsaken the Texans

by Taco Joe on Nov 17, 2011 3:38 PM CST reply actions  

Don't worry

You’d be the last person I would send pics of her in the bathtub too. Not that I would to anyone, but yeah . . .

What’s TacoJoepalooza? I’m actually going to be on the honeymoon that week. But, we should be around Christmas and most likely at the BRB viewing of the Colts beat down.

by JMay on Nov 18, 2011 12:38 AM CST up reply actions  

IMO

The challenge flag is overrated as a 1. On the other plays you have used affect on the game as a criteria and it seems that was dropped off this time. I do believe it shows a loss of concentration on Kubes’ side but it didn’t change the outcome of the game.

by CoogmanSam on Nov 17, 2011 5:06 PM CST reply actions  

True

But, the reason I previously downgraded to 2’s based on the affect on the game was because outcome had to be weighed on the decision making. This wasn’t a decision as much as an idiotic mistake. Nothing to win, not even an infinitesimal chance of something going right by the decision. So, I basically gave him the 1 for sheer stupidity with nothing to gain.

by JMay on Nov 18, 2011 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

rec'd for truth!

"Taco Joe - the beacon of optimism" TexansDC
THEREALALLENOU: "@Joeeatstacos... You're like the second testicle to my Tom green. I dont NEED you, but life is better when your around lol"
AllenOU is the Montgomery to my Patton
God blessed Texas, but he has forsaken the Texans

by Taco Joe on Nov 17, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Amen

Rec’d it myself. And thanks. For the record, Allen, I’m an OU fan. The first year we were dating, we went to the Red River Shoot Out and wore the opposite colors (her family is all Longhorns so she was by default). I’ll just say, she hasn’t worn burnt orange since that first year . . .

by JMay on Nov 18, 2011 12:45 AM CST up reply actions  

thursday night football thread?

"Well if they've been watching football, i dont think they would say its the same old Texans. I went down. Mario went down. Danieal Manning went down and right now we're sitting at the top of the AFC. If they feel that way they were bandwagoners antways. So thats the way if feel about it." Andre Johnson

by F-BombTheJets on Nov 17, 2011 6:28 PM CST reply actions  

whose playing?

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by Carter Liles on Nov 17, 2011 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

'Tis up.

I have not yet begun to defile myself.

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by MDC on Nov 17, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

satan vs jesus/ jets vs broncos

"Well if they've been watching football, i dont think they would say its the same old Texans. I went down. Mario went down. Danieal Manning went down and right now we're sitting at the top of the AFC. If they feel that way they were bandwagoners antways. So thats the way if feel about it." Andre Johnson

by F-BombTheJets on Nov 17, 2011 6:38 PM CST reply actions  

Congrats on the wedding dude!

And she obviously has great tastes if she wore boots with her wedding dress. lulz

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Nov 17, 2011 7:29 PM CST reply actions  

JMay

Congrats again on the nups! That is an awesome pic of your bride. A very beautiful lady juxtaposed to an almost surreal setting with boots in the bridal gown, in a tub. Lovely lady. You are a lucky man! Great photo.

As for the interception challenge, I DO think it was a gutsy call, and, obviously, the right one. Would I have challenged? Probably not. It paid off, though. I don’t agree with most of Kube’s challenges, but if you don’t ever throw a flag, you’ll never know.

Well done, sir.

A cornucopia of wholesome goodness!

by Gerbillogic on Nov 17, 2011 9:57 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks for all the well wishes.

Sorry I wasn’t as present last week in the comments and was late to the party this week. Might try to put up a bye week look at things next week since there won’t be results to look at, but I fear trying to get out of town will get in the way.

by JMay on Nov 18, 2011 12:48 AM CST reply actions  

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