Sleeper Of The Last Six Weeks: Matt Leinart's Time To Prove Himself
by TexansDC on Nov 18, 2011 9:00 AM CST
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Print"TDC," says the Battle Red Blog denizen, "Who are you fooling here? While there is always a need for Vicks products to keep us healthy, the Houston Texans are on a bye week. Thus, you handing out a Sleeper of the Week nod is pointless, aside from being able to talk about the wondrous healing properties of Vicks (found at all local grocery and drug stores)."
True, especially about the Vicks, but I wanted to get my crack at this projecting the future for Matt Leinart thing and supporting it with some sort of logic – especially since I have done a good job with projections in this weekly post. Take a leap of faith and land on the other side. I’ll be there waiting.
I firmly believe in Matt Leinart. His success came in Pete Carroll’s West Coast Offense, which has a lot of similarities to Gary Kubiak’s. The rollouts, play-actions, and concepts are all familiar to Leinart – unlike the offense that was run in Arizona with Ken Whisenhunt and Todd Haley. Furthermore, neither of those men has a stellar reputation as a great quarterback developer.
Leinart’s situation is a great one, as he has a top offensive line in front of him to give him time to find his All-Pro wide receiver, All-Pro running back, Pro Bowl tight end, or someone else who will not be covered tightly. He also has the best running back duo in the league behind him to help make that play-action a deadly weapon and take the focus off of him.
The best thing going for Leinart? Greg Knapp, Rick Dennison, and Gary Kubiak.
Knapp is a quarterback coach who knows how to develop a West Coast quarterback. After all, Knapp is the guy who helped develop Pro Bowlers out of former back-ups Jeff Garcia and Matt Schaub.
Dennison is the offensive coordinator who has really taken this offense to the next level with a focus on improved running offense over the past two seasons. This year, he has shown that he is committed to the run and building everything off those stretch zone runs, which leads to great play-action passes where, it seems, receivers are open (even if they are overthrown, as they have been). The improved first half play also shows a script design that shows a knowledge of the offense’s strengths and an understanding of how to attack each defense.
Kubiak is the fabled quarterback whisperer. Aside from being the guy to help fine tune Denver’s offense to get John Elway to his championships and handpicking a backup named Matt Schaub to lead his top-ten offense, Kubiak was the guy who got something out of David Carr.
Pre-Kubiak, Carr had a quarterback rating of 73.7 (equivalent to Seattle’s Tarvaris Jackson) and a 57.8 completion percentage (on par with Washington’s Rex Grossman). With one year of Gary’s guidance, Carr turned in a 82.1 QB rating (in the neighborhood of Cincinnati’s Andy Dalton) with 68.3% completion rate (hello, Tom Brady). Carr was still hot garbage, but that was still a show of significant improvement and Kubiak's abilities.
What Leinart has is three guys who understand the West Coast system, the technique needed by a quarterback to succeed in it, and offensive playcalling. I am not saying Matt Leinart is going to go Aaron Rodgers on anyone, but you have to like this situation on every level for him. You have to like it more when you hear Greg Knapp talking about how he puts in extra time with Leinart to improve his technique or how Schaub and Leinart have been talking as Leinart prepares as a starter.
So what do I see Leinart doing the rest of the way? Based on the situation, coaching, talent around him, and his preseason numbers (namely the ~62% passes complete) with third string talent (given the number of injuries to the second team), I’ll peg Leinart for these per game averages in the final six games:
16/25 (64%) for 198.6 yards per game with 1.3 TDs and 0.8 INTs.
Very modest, non-season killing numbers (in both realms fantasy and reality). I imagine there won’t be as many deep shots called (especially early on), but that the passing game will focus on short to mid-range passes to make things easier for Leinart. Any large gains will come from the receiver’s yards after the catch.
I feel like Leinart will do enough, and that’s all that will be needed to keep the running game going. It also doesn’t hurt that Houston only plays two top-10 DVOA defenses down the stretch.
That’s what I see for Leinart. You? What do you expect Ol’ Matty Light to put up?
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Matt 2.0 will do well in this system. I have a feeling he will do some long passes pretty early. It would be pretty awesome for him to throw a long bomb on the Glitter Kittens on the first play like Tampa.
by Jhua on Nov 18, 2011 9:11 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
That
would go a long way to keeping the run game going. Make defenses respect our passing abilities right off the bat.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 18, 2011 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I was going to say the same thing. A play action bomb on the first play would be awesome. Even if it an incompletion, it would be on the back of the glitter pussy’s minds.
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 18, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
I agree. I expect the pass to open up the run. I hope they load the box with kitties...
Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.
Not like this right?
I would be disappointed in my Texans if they ran all over this.
Mmmmm... snack food...
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
this dog persona cracks me up.
I have even started calling the barking dog that I have never seen three houses down DilloTex, and his barking doesn’t bother me as bad.
"I said 'That's not my dad, that's a cell phone!' and I threw that cell phone TO THE GROUND"
does not bother me as bad *anymore
"I said 'That's not my dad, that's a cell phone!' and I threw that cell phone TO THE GROUND"
I'm touched
/friendly wag
Okay, I’m kind of a wag-slut, but really I mean it, I’m touched.
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
/pisses somewhat higher on fence
MINE!
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
All right, boys.... Enough with the pissing contest... ;-)
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Never try to baptize a cat.
Awwww.....
Hope we kill them kitties!
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 18, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
New Logo for Glitter Kittens
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 18, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 13 recs
LOL.
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 18, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Did you just laugh at your own post?
me thinks thou might have a touch of the bipolar
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
I LOVES ME SO MUCH!
Since I rec my own FB posts, I’m not really one to talk, am I?
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 18, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
No.
Well kinda. I was going to write something else and accidentally pressed something and it posted it.
I was like “Fuck, Hope no one notices”
Damn you and your observant ways! :)
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 18, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Awesome
No.
Well kinda.
I believe that is actually the perfect reply to my bipolar accusations.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Right!
Left.
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 18, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
This is gonna get photoshopped with a monster truck in Texans decal jumping these kitties. It's on my TO DO list...
Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.
Hmmm
Running with Matt Leinart would be easy so I’ll counter that with a long pass but I expect you would expect me to do that so I’ll run it up the middle with Casey!
INCONCEIVABLE!
"Lord, beer me strength."
How about
Wildcat with Jacoby?
Anybody?
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 18, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
How about
Wishbone with Foster, Tate, and Vickers/Casey/Ward? That would be sweet…
Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.
I week or two ago I proposed
Vickers and Tate in the backfield, Casey at TE, and Foster as a WR, or something along those lines. Or even put Casey in the backfield as well. Get Casey back into throwing form and it gets even scarier.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 18, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
that would be sexy too.
Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.
I was actually talking to my brother about that...
With Tebow as a sort of hybrid RB/WR/QB back…sorry Tebow haters, but if he were put into the right position he would be dangerous as shit on the field. He’s not a good passer as a QB, but on a toss back or whatever the hell an NFL genius could come up with he could be dangerous as shit. A back that gets the ball on handoffs, goes wide, and occasionally slings it up there deep…or…whatever. I don’t know, I’m not the said “NFL Genius” to figure this crap out :D Either way, the guy has a plethora of talents and I think he could be dangerous. Not so much as a QB though…does that get me out of hot water with the Tebow haters?
Nope... Tebow haters gonna' hate...
But what I found interesting was the level of apparent genuine affection from a LARGE percentage of his teammates. It looked like John Elway had just eaten an entire lemon when Tebow scored that touchdown. He was clapping but his facial expression really read like “Oh Crap… I”m NEVER going to get rid of this guy."
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
Classic "Major League, owner bitch.
Lotta respect for Elway. He may should reserve judgement and let this play out.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
by chuckiepoo on Nov 18, 2011 9:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why?
The dude is a horrible QB. There’s no judgement to be reserved.
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
"Have you ever noticed that? We base our assessment of the intelligence of others almost entirely on how closely their thinking matches our own. I’m sure that there are people out there who violently disagree with me on most things, and I’m broad-minded enough to concede that they might possibly not be complete idiots, but I much prefer the company of people who agree with me."
If Qb's are judged on wins?
What does that make tebow?
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by WreckNTexan on Nov 19, 2011 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
Also TEAMS are judged on wins, not QBs.
Case in point: Cam Newton >>>>>> Tim Tebow
by WhiskeyR on Nov 19, 2011 12:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely...
…and for whatever reason, this team is better with him at QB than with a better pure QB back there. Isn’t Brady Quinn a better pure QB than Tebow? Aren’t his completion percentages better? I haven’t even looked, but I’d bet you they are… I’d bet you that you could find several QBs that are currently available that look like better pure QBs than Tebow. So why is John Fox risking his career on playing Tim Tebow at QB? My assertion is that being a “good QB” is a bigger equation than passing statistics. Watching those guys rally around Tebow, it’s evident that THEY have bought into his presence… The number of guys who went up and leaned in for a personal word with the guy just really surprised me…
And for those that want to try to equate his situation with “JustWinz DreamTeam Headcase”… The difference is that Tebow knows he has learning and growing to do and has been and continues to be counted out by every sports talking head around as opposed to being fluffed and coddled and having excuses made for him. This is a kid that has been tried and is being tried by fire. If you don’t think that he comes out the back side of this whole experience as tempered STEEL then I think you are mistaken.
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
Some fair points
but I think he will still ultimately be a failure. Teams will adjust and I just can’t see his style of playing bring sustained success.
I also don’t think he is going to improve his mechanics much.
I took an opportunity Thursday when he had it, but the D had him in that game and I personally don’t buy the Tebow effect on the D.
by WhiskeyR on Nov 19, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
re: his mechanics
I think that his statistics and his passing have suffered because he is making the effort to improve those mechanics. My opinion is that if he was going to pull a VY and sit on his ass and just do things “his way”, his passing statistics would probably be a bit better, but probably still not NFL-caliber.
I think that what you are watching is a young man going through a rough transitional period where he is investing the time and effort to improve his mechanics and become a better professional. That is what gives me hope for his future.
However, we all know what injuries in the NFL are like and he may get injured. He may just not have what it takes to adjust his motion to the NFL.
(The following part isn’t about anything you’ve said Whiskey, it’s just a point about the broader community of detractors in general. Your points have all been directly skills-related.)
But the more folks keep talking trash about him in the face of the success of his team, the clearer the real issue becomes. Because if people are REALLY convinced that he’s going to flame out and that it is impossible for him to succeed in the NFL, they will just sit back and watch it happen. But they can’t. Because at their core, they hate him. They hate what he stands for and they cannot stand to see him shown in a positive light. He evokes such a passionate revulsion that it just keeps welling up every time his name gets mentioned. One of the things that makes me pull for him is the fact that he takes EVERYTHING that they dish out and just keeps pressing ahead. That is a young man I’d want running my company.
However, to each their own.
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
Good points....
yet the flip side is true. Those who root for Tebow strictly because of what he stands for, if he was just another joe schmuck QB that happens to be a running back with a shaky ability to throw, I firmly believe those same people would be running him down and talking trash about him.
But then, as my sig says;
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Thanks for the balanced discussion guys...
… I wish that Tebow would just focus on living his life and setting a good example and getting better at his craft. I hope that he is a sincere young man and that he realizes that at some point the posturing becomes about him and not HIM.
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
by DilloTex on Nov 22, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Amen Dillo.
The position of quarterback, the art, the execution, are just part of his package. We have two tremendous examples team leadership before us in the national spotlight, Tebus and the kid playing in the Harvard-Yale game this afternoon (by the way, that Boston investment firm is licking their chops and amazed at that young man…great sacrifice for the team).
Just recognize it for what it clearly is, remarkable leadership and give them their dues.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
If you compare Tebow to Elway after 8 games
Tebow has been better to this point than Elway was after 8 starts
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 19, 2011 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
I was saying that Elway shouldn't 'reserve' judgement
Just find a way to get a good QB and get rid of Tebow.
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
"Have you ever noticed that? We base our assessment of the intelligence of others almost entirely on how closely their thinking matches our own. I’m sure that there are people out there who violently disagree with me on most things, and I’m broad-minded enough to concede that they might possibly not be complete idiots, but I much prefer the company of people who agree with me."
Saw those stats...
…Pretty amazing.
NOT what you would have expected to see.
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
Did you see that Ravens game where Ray Rice had that HB pass for a TD??
We could be doing that with Casey.
Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.
Actually....
I don’t see Kubiak/Dennison doing this at all this season. It seems they have finally figured out the strengths of this offense and have decided to play to those strengths until someone stops us.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
I could easily see them pulling this out of their hat...
In the event they were sluggish or having real problems moving the ball.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
by chuckiepoo on Nov 18, 2011 9:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I could easily see them pulling this out of their hat...
In the event they were sluggish or having real problems moving the ball.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
by chuckiepoo on Nov 18, 2011 9:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
DayQuil sucks now that they took out the real Sudafed
just one more thing that BE-SF fans have fucked up for all of us
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
by Shake on Nov 18, 2011 9:16 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
It can be used as a performance-enhancing drug, unfortunately.
Mental alertness/stimulation and all that jazz. Although the same thing can be said for caffeine on a lesser level..
by brightshinies on Nov 18, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
wouldn't sudafed do the opposite of this
as in make you sleepy and less alert
Sudafed is a stimulant.
That’s why people with high blood pressure shouldn’t take it.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 18, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
People confuse the use, and side-effects of decongestants and antihistamines all the time.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 19, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
Don't you love being presumed guilty of wanting the stuff to make meth?
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 18, 2011 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Another bonus, though not one that I cheer:
At least two of the remaining teams we play have lost their #1 CBs for the remainder of the year, and the other four are ranked 8th, 16th, 32nd, and 31st in Defensive DVOA.
Starting against Jacksonville isn’t the best team to open up Matty Light’s assumption of the helm given that their defense is actually pretty good, but with the return of a healthy Andre Johnson (as well as the rest of the team healing up) and the loss of their #1 CB, I like the matchup well enough.
I believe it should say
Kubiak is the fabled quarterback whisperer.
I didn't even realize David Carr
had shown improvement
not much but some
Out of Curiosity...
What are we expecting out of Matt 2.0 win wise and performance wise? If he doesn’t succeed here, does that mean he officially is a bust like Arizona labeled him as?
Not sure there's an excuse with Cincy any more... AJ Green is hurt and Leon Hall is out.
Texans – Schaub + GOAT – minor injuries from before the bye > Bengals – Healthy AJ Green – Leon Hall
He might be back but be may not be 100% even if he is.
I also don’t think that a rookie WR (no matter how talented) is capable of beating JJoe right now.
Not to mention
There’s the whole playing against your former team motivation factor for Jo Jo.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
not to mention
Cincy is playing Batimore this sunday meaning theres a good chance of more of there starters getting banged up.. just sayin
by firestorm420 on Nov 18, 2011 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
I think you have to look at his performance and not the record of the team
And I give him something of a bye the first week or two. I want to see if he makes good decisions and finds the open man.
I want to see if he makes good decisions and finds the open man Andre Johnson.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
good point
Andre doesnt actually need to be open
My expectations are high, maybe too high,
but I see 5-1. 4-2 won’t make me happy but I can deal. I just think the injuries are really a blessing in disguise. The next man up mentality is making these guys into a real team. To me that is something that seemed to be lacking in years past.
by DaManess54 on Nov 18, 2011 9:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's really forced the team to learn how to win without relying exclusively on one or two guys.
Hopefully now that Andre’s back, we don’t revert to the Old Ways.
Re: the Old Ways
We were still a top 5 offense then. It was the defense that was the problem, causing the offense to abandon the run and play from behind. Since we don’t have that problem any more I have no problem if we want to revert back to having Andre as the #1 target.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Kubiak panicking
and abandoning the run (as well as the flow, the clock, and overall sanity when you’ve got the best run game in the league) is the reason Houston took a dump last year. The defense was the excuse. Yes Houston’s defense was porous, but Kub would get behind by one score, freak out, and walk away from common sense and launch a shootout. Shootouts often get moderate results at best, but of most importance, opposing QB’s got plenty of time on the field to shit on our pourous defense. Kub’s poor playcalling and game management did us in.
FIRE KUBIAK!!! KILL THE MONSTER!!!
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
"4-2 won't make me happy..."
wait….what?!?
That would put us at 11-5 and THAT wouldn’t make you happy??
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
How quickly we get spoiled!
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by Barryfromtexas on Nov 18, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
try 6-0
it sounds really sweet, plus it is very possible. we’ll know more in 9 days.
Beer, it's not just for breakfast anymore
It isn't spoiled it is just raised expectaions
I expect at least a split with Atlanta and Cincy. We should beat the other 4. Either way it means we didn’t get the split or we lost to an inferior team. You can’t honestly say that a loss in division or to Carolina wouldn’t piss you off. However I see your point maybe I should just be happy getting in the playoffs.
by DaManess54 on Nov 18, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It wouldn't if Schaub was healthy.
Or at least, I’d be happy but a little disappointed.
I really like VEGAs breakdown of M1.0 & M2.0
and what M2.0 needs to do. He needs to get out front early and then sit back and let the running of Fostate take care of the game and the D can do their thing.
M2.0 has to get the offense to early leads, otherwise we will be strugagagaling!!!
2011 Season is the Reason!!!
Slim Thug/Paul Wall/Chamillionaire finally came out with a Texans song
was expecting one for a while lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_S0iUnL-CI&feature=youtu.be
Not bad.
Our football, who art in Houston, Texans be thy name. Thy wins will come, this will be done at Reliant and on the road. Give us this year our winning season, and forgive us for our penalties, as we forgive those who false start against us. And lead us not into overtime but deliver us a Superbowl !! ~TheNightOwl
by SteelBlueUSMC on Nov 18, 2011 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
Loved this line
I can’t be blocked like JJ Watt".
by jkcheng122 on Nov 18, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Gonna load this on up in the ride
And Bleed the Block
The Texan Floater, you wanna flush it but you can't.
Wade Aid Is the Best Drink in the League.
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by WreckNTexan on Nov 18, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Dunno what that means...
But if it means you’re going to be thumping and making my pictures rattle on their walls expect a crazy looking white guy to come charging your SUV with a big fucking ax swinging for your speakers. I hate that shit. Pisses me off to no end to have my insides start vibrating like I was on a cheap motel vibrating bed when some asshat drives by with their shit turned all the way up in my neighborhood. Don’t be that guy WNT! Not in my neighborhood anyway.
it means excatly what you thought
expect I live in ABQ where their are Cowb1tchs fans, So I gotta let em know Houston is on my back, and I be WreckN like a Texan.
The Texan Floater, you wanna flush it but you can't.
Wade Aid Is the Best Drink in the League.
Whitest, I ment Meanest Front Seven in Football.
Wow
I dig.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 18, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Every cup is like 35% beverage and 65% medicine
Really Chamillionaire? Do we need to enforce that stereotype?
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 18, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Wait, yours isn't?
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
"Have you ever noticed that? We base our assessment of the intelligence of others almost entirely on how closely their thinking matches our own. I’m sure that there are people out there who violently disagree with me on most things, and I’m broad-minded enough to concede that they might possibly not be complete idiots, but I much prefer the company of people who agree with me."
No, mine's is usually 65% beverage & 35% alcohol
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 18, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Pshh
You’re no true Houstonian.
Heh
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
"Have you ever noticed that? We base our assessment of the intelligence of others almost entirely on how closely their thinking matches our own. I’m sure that there are people out there who violently disagree with me on most things, and I’m broad-minded enough to concede that they might possibly not be complete idiots, but I much prefer the company of people who agree with me."
I'm Mexican, which explains my predisposition to alcohol, plus I was in the military when that started up
So I had no clue what they were talking about
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 18, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
After being immotalized in song
No player mentioned can EVER leave the team.
by BricAM on Nov 18, 2011 2:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Most of them are here to stay.
The only in question are Arian and Mario.
JJ Watt could, but we aren’t there yet.
.................
Last I checked, he's under contract for 4 years
Giving my battle red jersey of his plenty of time to shine
by brightshinies on Nov 18, 2011 4:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's why I said we aren't there yet.
It’s still four years away until there is a chance that he can leave.
.................
wow!
I am lovin this song!!! dwnlded! Dre Ladon did it first but damn this hits harder…
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I have him taking us to the AFC Championship game, with better than expected numbers, through my thorough analysis of every one of his snaps.
Leinart's 2011 final line: 6 wins, 3 losses. 12 TDs - 2 INTs, 2,100 yards with 62% completion.
I'm going out on a limb and predicting Leinart to surpass all of Shaub's 2011 averages.
>250+ yds/game
>1.5 TDs/game
>61% completion%
I think Gary & Rick will make it a priority to open up the offense with Leinart at QB.
This will give them a read Matt’s strengths and limitations and put a lot of passing on film to ultimately set up a return to the ground game for the playoffs.
They won't change the game plan at all
There’s no way they risk doing anything different than what has gotten them to this point. Leinart will be expected to run the exact same offense as Schaub, with the same results. Anything better is a bonus.
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This is the likely scenario
Just left handed roll-outs more than right ones.
I expect a fairly early PA deep strike (or at least pattern) since it is usually in the script somewhere.
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by Barryfromtexas on Nov 18, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Agree on the deep strike
I think they’ll be looking to get Andre and Leinart going early, and what better way to do it than a quick PA strike against a defense who just lost their best CB. If it misses then it’s no big deal as long as it’s not a turnover, but if it hits…..BIG confidence booster.
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I really think they will change it up.
They know they have the run game in their back pocket and they are probably as curious as us as to how Matt will respond to actual game conditions.
With the playoffs wrapped up, not that anyone will say it, Kubiak and Dennison’s priorities are on making them a tough out. Might as well give DCs as much to prepare for as possible (limiting the time they can spend solely on the run game). We have already seen this with the called QB sneak against the Browns. That play was IMO solely to warn playoff DCs that you had better account for the QB in goal line situations.
Also...
Leinart-WR game speed synergy needs to be developed, because we will need more than running and screen passes during the playoffs.
What allows this experimentation is the bad pass defenses we face (with a number of #1 CBs going down), and the weakness of our schedule compared to the Titans.
Caveat: If home field advantage is threatened, the staff may move back to a true “1-0 every week” mindset with the offensive playcalling.
Sorry, I don't see it
The playoffs are by no means wrapped up. These are our Texans we’re talking about here. There is still plenty of time for us to shit the bed and hand the Titans the division.
There is way too much on the line for Kubiak to get cute now. Maybe they throw a little more than usual (and by usual I mean the 15-20 attempts we’ve been averaging during the streak) but there’s no way I can see them deviating from the winning formula. You don’t change what works until the other team forces you to.
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I understand your point of view, but I still think IMO, Kubiak is always thinking 2-3 games (or quarters) ahead relating to tendencies.
Kubiak teams were always known as good finishers (4th quarter/December) and I think a lot of that was because his early scripting was based completely around probing the d for tendencies early with vanilla calls. He’s changed that this year, but him and the staff are spending the bye week self-scouting for tendencies. That tells you where his focus lies as a tactician.
I expect us to still be a run-based team early in the game, but we will pass a lot more once we have a lead. We have already beaten Jax with two turnovers, slaughtered the Colts and Titans, we have room to tinker.
I understand what you’re saying and that’s probably what I would do, but I don’t think Kubiak operates that way.
We'll see
But let’s not forget his job is technically still on the line, and now he’s without his starting QB. Still, I can see your point and I do expect him to try and get Andre going with as many targets as possible within the confines of his usual game planning.
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and his job is very safe
with just making the playoffs.
I think every call so far has been to win the game at hand. He’s been here for long enough to not look ahead.
Leinart's 2011 final line: 6 wins, 3 losses. 12 TDs - 2 INTs, 2,100 yards with 62% completion.
15-20 attempts is absoultely not average for this team.
Schaub has averaged 29.2 attempts per game (29th in the league as a team) this year. Only once has he gone under 20 (15 vs. TB).
I expect Leinart to average 35 attempts per game which will put us ~16th in the NFL with Tennessee and about on par with our 2010 average.
Average over the 4 game win streak
I stand corrected, he averaged 22.75 attempts over the last 4 games. That’s a direct indicator that the run game and defense have been killing it, and as long as that formula is paying off I don’t expect to see pass attempts shoot back up to the 35 range unless we’re behind, especially when you’re starting a new QB that has had marginal success throughout his career up to this point.
I could be wrong about that but logic dictates that you don’t throw it if you don’t have to. I’ll be shocked if Kubiak suddenly decides to change his approach and air it out just for the hell of it. And if he does he better pray that it pays off, because if it doesn’t and disaster strikes it will be his head. What happens if he gets Leinart hurt in the process and we’re stuck with Yates?
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I don't think it will be for the hell of it.
Kubiak has said before, that they think about numbers (pass/run, RB carries) before the game, but game conditions dictate actual calls.
So I think they’ll say something like, let’s see if Leinart can do X and let’s give other teams X to think about because in Y set they’ve been effectively lining up against us in Z.
Then on game day, if the opportunity presents itself, they will run those plays.
And what's with the 15-20 attempts?
I keep hearing people talking about how we can kick ass throwing the ball 20 or less times. And the fact is we’ve only done that ONCE this season. The LAST game. The least amount of passes in a game other than the Tampa game was 21. Sorry guys but we opened up the Tampa offense early and hard and they are craptastic in run defense anyway. 138 yards a game given up, 4th worst in the league. Everyone getting all giddy over our amazing run game are going overboard. Fostate is a good combo, but they’re not going to be running up and down the field on the best defenses like that without some SOLID contributions from the passing game. Like it or not, Leinart is going to HAVE to air the ball out. Even a team that’s bad up front can stack the box if they don’t fear the pass. Most games, for most teams, 15-20 passes a game doesn’t cut it. Usually not for the TEXANS either.
I agree completely, we aren't winning the Super Bowl with defense and running alone.
Neither our defense or our running game are dominant enough to win games alone against playoff teams. We can probably beat most of the teams left on our schedule by passing 15-20 times, but what does that get us? Teams will know we have no confidence in Leinart, load the box and then we’ll be forced into a completely predictable situation (trying to get Leinart’s passing game straightened out during a playoff game).
That’s why you throw Leinart into the fire immediately (increase the passsing). We need to get an accurate read on his strengths and weaknesses in actual game situations, with the Texans. Kubiak was watching Cardinals tapes and preseason games to game plan for next week.
Understanding Leinart’s game for play calling purposes and making teams respect Leinart’s arm are priorities if we want to win in the playoffs.
I think they will, or should
Start off with running plays. This is because they will want Leinart to get settled in before they start chunking the ball around. It’ll also coax the defenders into the box and open up the backfield as they take the bait ‘hook, line and sinker’ since they’ll think Kubes doesn’t have faith in Matt’s passing game.
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by professortex on Nov 18, 2011 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
So you're saying that we should change what's been working, so that teams won't try to stop it?
That’s kinda stupid.
Just think about how much respect the Texans passing game has gotten in the second half of games lately, and tell me that we need to air it out more.
We have a very plug-and-play kind of offense. Every piece might not be quite as good as the one that it’s backing up, but they’re still serviceable. Jacoby has been decent, but no AJ. Tate was really solid, but no Arian. Nothing has been asked of the backups that’s out of their comfort zone so far this season, so what makes you think that’s going to change?
Leinart (probably) isn’t going to be as good or better than Schaub, so you know what? They aren’t going to ask him to do as much or more than they asked Matt #1 to do. It just doesn’t make any sense.
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
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Look our pass attempts against the four playoff caliber teams we have played this year.
NO 39 passes
Pit 21 passes
Oak. 51 passes
Balt. 37 passes
We will have to pass in the playoffs. So why wait until we’re in a dire situation to find out what Leinart’s capable of?
We play 2 division teams that frankly are horrible and the other team we beat 41-7 on the road. The Panthers have won 2 games and we play them at home. We should have an opportunity to experiment in those games.
Very astute...and take note of the Pittsburgh...21 passes = Only "W".
Average in losses = 40+ passes. Your sample and statistics contradict you hypothesis.
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your*
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
_game...dammit.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
I agree running = wins for us.
1. We have a cakewalk into the playoffs. We can easily run and defend our way to the playoffs against our remaining schedule.
2. I don’t think we can run (21 PA per game) and defend our way to a Super Bowl victory.
3. So, Kubes uses these last six games to give Leinart game passing reps (for our evaluation and to mess with opposing DCs ability to scheme solely against the run), while still being conservative enough to win.
Basically, IMO, these last 6 games are as much about setting up wins in the playoffs as they are about getting into the playoffs (of course, our “playoff preparation” mindset varies inversely with Titan wins).
I'm really lost on why people are still talking about the Titans...
Who is still worried about them “sneaking” up on us? The suck, pure and simple. There’s no such thing as a “good” team that gets crushed 41-7 at home.
The division is ours to lose.
No one else can take it from us, we have to give it up.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 18, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
Do we have any updates on Vickers' hamstring?
And I think OD had a knee injury as well.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 18, 2011 10:09 AM CST reply actions
I hope Casey can pick back up. I gather he's not fully back from his chest injury.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 18, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
I'm guessing that as well.
I think Vickers has now proved himself though that when both are fully healthy Kubes will still mix it up and give both good amount of snaps.
That's fine.
The more we can change things up, the more successful we should be.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 18, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
/eye twitch
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
I like his chances
there’s an article by Farrar on yahoo talking about how his numbers are best against 4-3 defenses that play lots of zone and how all 6 remaining defenses play that very style, and only 2 of those defenses are even “above average”
if he will keep his feet under him, realize that every play doesnt have to be the last one and avoid the wtf throws, i could see him getting us to the big dance with gb. i wont put any money on it, just said i could see it
i am struck by uncanny parallels to another team many years ago, had 2 1000 yard rushers, one ace receiver, the number 1 defense and lost their qb to injury in game 5 and didnt get him back until afc championship game. 72 fish. too wierd if you ask me
blah...
I can’t believe you’re leaving the mystery “another team” unsaid…so, I’ll ask…what was the other team?
Also...
Does it seem like we have a lot more injuries this year compared to other years? Anyone notice that or is it just me?
i think there are more across the board
probably the late start of camp is why a lot of them happen
most star power injuries i can remember, agree with that
by Texan-Defcon1 on Nov 18, 2011 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
According to Harvard, no
I think we, the Texans, have had more and bigger names, though.
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 18, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, but the "source"
Harvard? Aren’t they like the Rice of the North?
Leinart's 2011 final line: 6 wins, 3 losses. 12 TDs - 2 INTs, 2,100 yards with 62% completion.
I dont think
that Kubiak would have re-signed and paid him this much if he didnt see something worth it. I for one am excited. However people, he will have to shake some rust off… so dont be all dome and gloom if this first game is ugly.
That's what I'm liking about the upcoming game.
Their offense is set for a lot of 3 and outs, giving Leinart lots of snaps to get his timing down. As long as he’s not throwing pick 6s or committing turnovers in our own territory (cuz you know, no one misses FGs against us), we’ll be fine.
Some similarities to anothe rleft-handed QB
Steve Young was a flop at Tampa bay. He sat on the bench for 4 1/2 years at SF before getting the starting job. And it was the system and a good coach that turned him into a winner. And people in SF where saying WTF when he came in for Montana. SO as to Leinart becoming a really good QB in this system – stranger things have happened.
injuries in NFL and college
torn ACLs in big 12 last two weeks – brolyes, christine michael, henry josey, and fozzy were all REAL BAD, and josey tore acl, mcl, and meniscus – yuck
texans – schaub, dre, manning, foster, tate mario etc
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
18 years ago today
I had pretty much the exact same surgery (needs, at least) Josey needed: Grade II patella tendon, Grade III to the MCL and ACL, and major meniscus work. Because the post-injury swelling was so bad, and it wouldn’t go down (I actually injured the bones, as well, which created additional swelling), I had to wait over two months before they’d go in.
Best of luck to you, Henry.
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 18, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
broyles is another two weeks away from his
also think josey might miss some of 2012 which is sad. dude was really starting to come on since the OU game
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Jeebus
Is there anything you haven’t had surgically repaired/replaced?
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I'm pretty good from the sternum up.
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Uh, didn't you have vertabrae fused?
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Yup
L4/L5. The sternum is just above that, Dr. Sticky Finger.
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For some weird reason, I think on the first play of the game with Texans on offense versus Jacksonville
will be a PA play…….. I seriously see Kubiak doing this to completely throw a defense off.
exactly we we run it 7 times in a row for a TD
foster with 6, 8, 19, 3, 5
tate with, 7, then a 12 yd TD
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Kinda like Tampa Bay was caught off guard on that first play action pass?
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 18, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
But because we did it to the Bucs
The jags know we’ll be looking for it. Besides, it’s not the first time we’ve run play action on the first play of the game. Kubiak regularly dials it up to start a game.
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this is the beauty of our offense and play calling this year
it is unpredictable. The blocking doesnt give it away, or the movement prior to the snap. I think even with Leinart in there, the DC’s are unable to predict what we are going to do. But I do think that sometime pretty early in the game we will stretch the field on a deep pass.
Yup, it's just to keep the defense honest.
Kinda interested in seeing how Leinart will do on that first PA though. How far it will go? Will it be thrown long enough for the receiver to catch? Is it accurate where only the receiver can catch it? Curiosity only grows as the days go by
Thats why we do it to the Jags
Leinart has to get his feet wet. Besides, if the first few are runs, then it’ll suck them in to stack the box, opening up the backfield for next series if he don’t complete on 3rd down.
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by professortex on Nov 18, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
That's why a genius counters with a run
When you expect a pass cause you expected the run. Truly, his is a dizzying intellect.
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by TexansDC on Nov 18, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Are you Sicilian?
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 18, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Is death on the line?
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 18, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Only in the case of a land war in Asia
Blind fandom is all I got left.
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FB pass is the only acceptable option
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 18, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
So...
they expect the run so because of that they expect us to expect that they expect the run and therefore they expect the pass, but a genius would then expect that they expect the pass because of them expecting us to expect that they expect the run, and would therefor go with the original expectation of the run to fool them… makes perfect sense!!
wow i just said the word expect so much the word sounds foreign n funny too me now hahaha
by firestorm420 on Nov 18, 2011 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Off Topic
But did anyone else realize that the Houston Dynamo were back in the MLS Finals on Sunday? Well, at least we’ll have something to watch during the Bye Week
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
UH vs SMU is what I'll be watching over the bye week.
College Gameday, here we go!
Well, that's on Saturday. The MLS Championship Game is on Sunday Night
So you can watch both this weekend pretty easily
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 18, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
LETS GO ORANGE
Anytime we can beat LA are good times
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by WreckNTexan on Nov 18, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
VIVA NARANJA!!!!
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 18, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
..
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Wade Aid Is the Best Drink in the League.
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by WreckNTexan on Nov 18, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
True, I'll probably watch both.
And switch between Dynamo and SNF. I wanna see the Eagles continue to collapse
Also, there's one other thing that The Blitz on ESPN 97.5 is pushing this Saturday during College Gameday
OCCUPY HERBSTREIT!!!
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 18, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
^THIS. Fo Sho
Swat and swim, dip and rip, twist and spin; just do whacha gotta do to light up that QB.
Who's broadcasting the Dynamo game?
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Never try to baptize a cat.
ESPN, 8PM Sunday night
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"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 18, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you.
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All i ever ask of every player......
On this team is that for themselves and all us fans who have lived and died with them for a decade now is that they FIGHT LIKE A MAN.
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by jahunter221 on Nov 18, 2011 12:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Seriously, whatever IT is for Tebow, he's definitely got it
How he continues to win with the Broncos baffles me…….. His throwing mechanics are terrible…
This is how
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by WreckNTexan on Nov 18, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Difference is that Tebow has more heart & is more mentally stable than VY
Now if Tebow had VY’s skills, he’d really be a dangerous QB
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"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 18, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
he also has jesus...which helps
"Well if they've been watching football, i dont think they would say its the same old Texans. I went down. Mario went down. Danieal Manning went down and right now we're sitting at the top of the AFC. If they feel that way they were bandwagoners antways. So thats the way if feel about it." Andre Johnson
by F-BombTheJets on Nov 18, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
imaginary friends would help
if you had un waivering faith and belief in them, and thus felt you were playing for some sort of greater purpose beyond just a game.. doesnt matter which religion or if its it right, its the belief.. look at Foster.. not saying that players neccessarily play better solely because of this, but it cant hurt right
by firestorm420 on Nov 18, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Ok
Lets not get into Religion, It will only go down hill from here
by Catallac392 on Nov 18, 2011 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Gracias.
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I don’t mean to start anything. F-BombTheJets made a comment; I was merely pointing out that it doesn’t necessarily mean that everyone agrees.
Jesus forgives you
"Well if they've been watching football, i dont think they would say its the same old Texans. I went down. Mario went down. Danieal Manning went down and right now we're sitting at the top of the AFC. If they feel that way they were bandwagoners anyways. So thats the way i feel about it." Andre Johnson
by F-BombTheJets on Nov 18, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I was told there would be no religion here
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 19, 2011 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
No, it's more confusing
Math is easy
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 19, 2011 12:56 AM CST up reply actions
But you can't just choose to not believe in math.
And as a poker player, when the math betrays me I become resentful and spout demonic heresies. I become an Anti-Mathtite.
Loving math...careful though. Statistics can deceive.
Just a tool of light to describe various perspectives.
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No kidding they are
Last night he was just slinging the ball around in the general (and not so general) area of the receiver. No accuracy whatsoever. He was making Sanchez look elite by comparison and Sanchez absolutely sucked and sucks.
One of my friends on fb is DEEP in to a mancrush on Tebow.
But then he is the same one wanting to just hand the Lombardi Trophy to GB now. I told him the Texans would like a word with him. lulz
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
It's sad to be a Jets fan, especially as a kid
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Gotta give him this, he knows his football
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"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
poor kid
he is a jets fan!
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That's just WRONG!
lulz Poor kid…..how could a parent do that and post it on Youtube?
Just my $.02
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by professortex on Nov 18, 2011 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
wow
hes pretty football savy. he realizes the implications of the jets losing while new england plays kansas city and buffalo plays miami.. he knows who the bad teams are and the good teams are, and knows about playoff implacations, wildcard and all, and most imortantly, he knows the Jets “NO THEY WONT” make the playoffs. impressive.
by firestorm420 on Nov 18, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't know that much about football at 6 years old
I just paid attention on how the Oilers were doing
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"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 19, 2011 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
He mentioned that the Texans were on a bye week
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 19, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
Quick question......
Have we had a vote on what we are going to officially call “The Quaterback Formerly Known As Schaub’s Backup”? I’ve seen: Matty Light, Matty Fratty, Frat-Boy Matt, Matt 2.0, Matt #2, No.2 (TNG Trekkies), Nombre 2, Matt V2, Teh Matt, and Leinart the Lionheart. I prefer Matty Light myself! Any reference to a awesomely bad, good ol American macrobrew gets my vote every time!!! If we could only incorporate his name to fit in with Schiltz Malt Liquor that would be even better!!! LMAO!!!
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To be is to do. (Voltaire)
Do be do be do. (Sinatra)
I'd go with Matty Light
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 18, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
How about MGD (Matt Goes Deep)
could apply to football or hot tubs, either one
Think we have to wait and see how he does before giving him that moniker
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Never argue with Idiots. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience!
To do is to be. (Descartes)
To be is to do. (Voltaire)
Do be do be do. (Sinatra)
Matt never goes deep
He always checks down
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 18, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
he did in college
…and then there is that hot tub inference
and dare I suggest/pray/hope
it eventually refers to our playoff run?
deep has so many meaning
it’s…..just…..so……deep
Alternative suggestions
Mini Matt, Matt II, JR., Pretty Matty, Matt the sequel, Matt part Deux,
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 18, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Forgot one
Matt X
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 18, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
What about an ode to Chad Ochocinco
Matt UnoUno…..On second thought after actually writing it down it looks even more retarded
It's hard to make a comeback when you haven't been anywhere.
Never argue with Idiots. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience!
To do is to be. (Descartes)
To be is to do. (Voltaire)
Do be do be do. (Sinatra)
I'm going with Leinart
Because the rest of those nicknames are beyond weak.
by WhiskeyR on Nov 18, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
It's so simple
I like it!
Brilliant!
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 18, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
That's what I'm sayin
Why do we always have to force nicknames? I’d rather let them grow organically (I like to grow a lot of things organically).
I’m just going to call him Leinart until he proves that he doesn’t suck. And for what it’s worth, I HATE the name “Matty.” Canadian hockey players call each other Matty.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
And its even worse when people try to nickname things like our defense
or our group of RBs etc.
With some notable exceptions (Super Mario, Megatron) I would feel like an absolute schmuck using all these nicknames people are suggesting.
It's a insider nickname
I wouldn’t want anyone outside of BRB’s inner circle using any of the nicknames that we commonly used on the players we like or like to dislike. They are terms of endearment. Whenever I hear my co-workers refer to Matt Leinart as any of the above I know it’s out of spite. If I hear it from a fellow Texan fan I know it’s out of LOVE!
It's hard to make a comeback when you haven't been anywhere.
Never argue with Idiots. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience!
To do is to be. (Descartes)
To be is to do. (Voltaire)
Do be do be do. (Sinatra)
i hope i never feel like a shmuck..
that sounds like a bad time
"Well if they've been watching football, i dont think they would say its the same old Texans. I went down. Mario went down. Danieal Manning went down and right now we're sitting at the top of the AFC. If they feel that way they were bandwagoners antways. So thats the way if feel about it." Andre Johnson
by F-BombTheJets on Nov 18, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
Since everyone is Tebowing
Maybe Leinart can start the “T-Boning” craze.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=t-boning
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 18, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Why for you do that?
I need mind bleach now and it won’t load at work anymore…..so I have to live with this mental image in my mind until at least lunch time and probably beyond.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
You want a mental image to try and forget.
The Texan Floater, you wanna flush it but you can't.
Wade Aid Is the Best Drink in the League.
Whitest, I ment Meanest Front Seven in Football.
I do NOT need that one either.
I just threw up a little in my mouth.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
all that and you missed mine.
Matty(smirnoff)ice
CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON
by Carter Liles on Nov 18, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Well Matty Ice is taken already
So he’d have to be really cold blooded to swagger-jack that from Matt Ryan
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 19, 2011 12:42 AM CST up reply actions
Some guy was giving Matt Leinart shit on a forum.
So I quoted the David Carr paragraph to prove a point. I linked to this article as well.
.................
Please don't be bring Texans Talk people in here...
I thought you liked us!
by WhiskeyR on Nov 18, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
HA!
I thought the same exact thing.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
No, this actually the NFL topic in the official GTA forums.
Yes, I do frequent the official forums for Grand Theft Auto…..
.................
A healthy dose of
Benarian Fostate is all the glitter kitties can take. Arian is fully healthy and hitting his stride, Ben explodes through the holes, and Ward is still fresh and powerful as well.
That being said, I fully expect one of the first plays to be a bomb to AJ.
We have to many weapons to lose.
by YohannDookeyblue on Nov 18, 2011 2:30 PM CST reply actions
I sure hope 'Dre is back.
This organization tends to err on the side of optimism with injuries. But as long as he is back for the playoffs, I’m happy.
Any word on Danieal Manning?
He's running
But I haven’t seen a solid schedule for him.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
He also said he's been back pedaling as well
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 19, 2011 12:44 AM CST up reply actions
AJ is listed as probable
Beer, it's not just for breakfast anymore
by Chrxtopher on Nov 18, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hallelujah!!!
Sorry to interject religion, BFD. Won’t happen again. Promise.
XOXO
~LS
Blind fandom is all I got left.
"Down to clown with some other chick's lady bits" ~ MDC
All of the talking heads can suck shit
It’s funny how so many of the analysts know our team now.
How we are on so many front pages.
How PFT, Yahoo sports and the like are now covering us.
Kubes sees something in Matty L. That’s why he’s making $2mm as a backup. Mattly L sees something he likes here. Remember in the pre-season, he did talk with Seattle, but wanted to stay here.
I hate seeing Schaub go down. I remember the early years – where he was pounded almost as much as Carr. I remember the first season he played in every game, and all of the Durability comments. I actually think Matt is a good QB – no, not Aaron Rodgers – but good.
So – Matt – don’t F up.
One of the outstanding qualities this team has exhibited this year is quality players in reserve roles...
“Never under estimate the heart of a Champion!” Loves me some Rudy T! Next Champ Up?
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
couple things
DanO didn’t work out, Leinart was here last year and knew the offense, and TJ isn’t ready. Those things combined with the Seattle interest are why Leinart is making $2M as a backup.
I wouldn’t say we paid him that money because Kubiak likes him more. I think its a free market, he’s our best chance of success if Matt1 goes down. Not that that would ever happen. /fml
Leinart's 2011 final line: 6 wins, 3 losses. 12 TDs - 2 INTs, 2,100 yards with 62% completion.
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