Wherein I Argue For More Playing Time For Kareem Jackson
The point of this post is not to induct Kareem Jackson into the Hall of Fame. Honors such as those are reserved for Mr. Mister Alexander alone. I am arguing that, in the long run, it would behoove your Houston Texans for Kareem to receive more playing time than Jason Allen over the course of the season. Join me after the jump, where Rivers will personally bash his forehead against his keyboard a new Internet record number of times. That alone will be worth your trouble.
To begin, it's imperative to step back and see where we've come from. In 2010, one could make a strong, valid argument that Kareem Jackson was the worst CB in the NFL, Non-Brice McCain division (who probably was the worst to see significant playing time). Using ProFootballFocus.com numbers for CBs, Kareem gave up the 5th most yards against, 5th most yards per attempt, 5th most in YAC against, 24th in percentage of balls caught against, 15th in TDs allowed, and Kareem had the 10th worst QB rating against. In other words, completing passes against Kareem Jackson took all of the skill of throwing the ball in his general direction.
This year, it's still not all tacos and beer, but Kareem's play has improved drastically. Real coaching probably helps, but let's look at some key numbers:
| Year | 2010 | 2011 |
| % Caught | 66.3% | 58.3% |
| Yards Allowed/Game | 57.8 | 40.8 |
| Avg. Yards/Catch | 16.2 | 15.5 |
| Yards After Catch/Game | 22.8 | 6.1 |
| TDs/Game | .31 | .25 |
| INTs/Game | .13 | 0 |
| Passes Defensed/Game | .38 | .38 |
| QB Rating | 111.8 | 106.9 |
Am I ready to anoint Kareem an All-Pro talent? Oh, most definitely not. But he's definitely showing forward progression as a cornerback, making him the first CB in recent team history to actually improve from one year to the next. Unlike last year, Jackson has only overtly struggled in two games. Against the Saints, Lance Moore used Kareem like toilet paper, finally flushing the team with one of our losses. Speed-demon Torrey Smith of the Ravens scorched Kareem for 3 catches, 84 yards, and a touchdown. Smith, and other WRs with great long speed, will continue to give Kareem issues, at least in the short term. Unlike in 2010, however, Kareem is at least on the screen in coverage, which is nice.
If you want to put on some snappy rose-colored glasses, could he be evolving as Duane Brown did after Brown's disastrous rookie year? There are reasons to be optimistic.
If Kareem were to receive more playing time, it would come at the expense of Jason Allen. Admittedly, I'm still not Allen's biggest fan from an eyeball point of view, but let's look at his numbers.
| Player | Allen | Jackson |
| % Caught | 51.0% | 58.3% |
| Yards Allowed/Game | 35.9 | 40.8 |
| Avg. Yards/Catch | 12.9 | 15.5 |
| Yards After Catch/Game | 10.1 | 6.1 |
| TDs/Game | .33 | .25 |
| INTs/Game | .33 | 0 |
| Passes Defensed/Game | .33 | .38 |
| QB Rating | 67.0 | 106.9 |
Ultimately, the difference between the two are Allen's interceptions. Like Jackson was hurt by Moore and Smith, Allen was used by Brandon Marshall and Darrius Heyward-Bey.
Ultimately, I believe Kareem's current play and his much higher ceiling should earn him a greater share of playing time above his virtual platoon with Allen. And this is a great time to test him, too. Over our remaining schedule, only Matt Ryan and Cam Newton pose legitimate risks to beat us in the air, and neither team can boast the Saints' depth at WR, which was a large part in Kareem's undoing in New Orleans. Allen is a free agent after the season. Let's see what Kareem's got, and let's see it now.
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Kareem has played well the past few games.
He just can’t have anymore games where he gets abused.
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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
Can we trade him for RG3?
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by AllenOU on Nov 22, 2011 2:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
can we trade him for a RPG?
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by F-BombTheJets on Nov 22, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Can we trade him in a box?
I've got nothin'...
by Bennyscrap on Nov 22, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Can we trade him for a fox?
Just my $.02
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by txknight on Nov 22, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I do not like that toast'd Kareem..
Worst CB2 I’ve ever seen.
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by chuckiepoo on Nov 22, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 11 recs
/rec whore'd
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hated finishing that out...
I believe he’s actually turned the “corner”.
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I do not like that toast'd Kareem...
Once every game he makes me scream.
by b4theproffit on Nov 23, 2011 1:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I do not like that toasted Kareem...
We chose Devin McCourty in my post draft wish-dream.
by b4theproffit on Nov 23, 2011 1:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
McCourty
Has been downright awful this year. 4 TDs and 119.8 QB rating against.
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The entire NE D has been suffering
What’s up with that?
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Antwan Molden when there
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by The Night Owl on Nov 23, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
True. But I think you also need to evaluate the offensive talent he has played against in the past few games.
I’d rate said talent like this: meh.
Yeh, and the pass rush was freakin' aswesome, so the CB and S play should be good!
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Bfd, with all due respect, I think you are grasping at straws for anything that says he is worth his weightspeed
If arguing that he has not embarrassed himself in the last three games is valid, then I guess you can nominate him for All-Pro, for what it’s worth. But, in my eyes, has not outplayed Allen and I think Jackson’s upside can be whatever anyone wants to say it is, because upside is simply someone’s opinion based on nothing but opinion.
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+1, I feel dumber after just reading this post
Pretty weak argument that Allen got burned by 2 #1 receivers (neither of whom were even his assignment the entire game) while Jackson’s been burned by more #2’s than my ass after a chili cookoff
by pattymcgee on Nov 22, 2011 2:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 7 recs
i think you have jackson's stats under allen's name in the second chart
very interesting stuff though. is there any way to find out how many passes each guy has had thrown his way?
Rag doll? More like brick fuckin' wall, bro.
by The Chris Myers Fan Club on Nov 22, 2011 2:15 PM CST reply actions
Fixed
Thanks.
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I think Allen is leading the team in INTs since he's been here. And, think, he's platooning and still leading the team in INTs
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I still like Allen much better than Kareem.
Against the Steelers for instance, at the end of the game I think if we had Kareem out there instead of Allen we’d be looking at a TD pass instead of an INT.
But I do think actual coaching is helping out Kareem. I also think Joseph is proving to be a real leader in the backfield.
One thing I ran out of time to add...
Kareem is a huge plus against the run while Allen is not. Coaching is helping, but live reps will do the most good to see if his progression is real or not.
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Very good point. Kareem is definitely an asset in run D. Much more so than Allen.
Although, CB’s aint’ typically drafted or paid for exceptional run defense, no?
Sounds like we should move him to safety
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by The Night Owl on Nov 23, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
I am not quite on the ice Kareem truck yet
Although he has shown improvement, it isnt to the point where I would give him significantly more minutes. I am ok with reducing JA’s minutes some in light of the fact he might not be here next year, but I would rather see where I am with Brandon Harris than give the extra minutes to Kareem at this point.
Harris
Has seen 5 defensive snaps this year.
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Yes, other than "Round 1 pedigree," oooooohhhh.... can anyone name one attribute of Jackson that is better than any other CB on this Texans' team?
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Ummmm
Nobody measures up to Joseph, so the question is inherently silly.
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Not sure why it's silly.
I’m simply saying that Kareem has been handed playing time based solely on his “Round 1 draft status” and other players have been held out and not been given playing time because of that. That is the gist of my question. Hopefully. that should clarify where I was going with that.
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Gotcha
That makes more sense. I also think that’s somewhat arguable. First, players often get multiple chances based on their raw, pure talent. Look at Aarons Curry and Maybin. Both are playing very well for their new teams after being busts, and they got second chances based on their raw talent and draft position.
Kareem was going to start last year, just about regardless. We had nothing else on the roster that could help or replace him, not getting Allen until mid-season when he was waived because he couldn’t cover anybody. Otherwise, you had Brice McCain as the other potential starter. It was going to be ugly opposite Quin unless Jackson really WAS pro-ready. /snickers/
Regarding your ceiling statement above, you’re right in that it’s just an opinion, but there’s also a sample size issue at hand. Allen was a pretty bad CB for the Dolphins for three years before being cut. Kareem has definitely improved this year over last.
When you look at our roster situation next year, we’re not going to have much room. We have to handle Mario and Foster in the off-season. Allen is more likely going to be a luxury than a need at that point.
However, if Jackson can’t handle duties against the Gabberts and Daltons and Ponders of the league, then he needs to be ditched post haste.
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Kareem was going to start last year, just about regardless.
The decision was made to have him as our only CB2 option due to a coaching/GM decision. This didn’t have to be the case, see the 2011 Houston Texans offseason acquisition of the best defensive player the team has ever known.
So its a little like Painter in Indy. They chose to suck at QB2. They are not victims.
Leinart's 2011 final line: 6 wins, 3 losses. 12 TDs - 2 INTs, 2,100 yards with 62% completion.
We did try for Bodden
How hard? No idea.
The other option was to re-sign Dunta.
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Bodden has not done well this season...
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Also dropped Reeves during camp last year.
Not saying I wanted ’can’t look behind him’ Reeves on the team still, but could he have been ANY worse?
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Is anyone in the league playing as well as Joseph at corner right now?
Serious question. i do know he is outplaying the hell out of Nnamdi.
Statistically, I think Joseph is the 3rd best CB right now.
Anecdotally, I think Joseph is the best CB right now.
by Tailgate Andy on Nov 22, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Revis
Still gotta be him.
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Scrabble still has that big rep
and sometimes that wins out over who really deserves to be there
scrabble is nfc donkey now!
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by HoustonTransplant on Nov 22, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
^This
Even if Kareem is showing improvement, I say play the best guy we have (even if his stats are only slightly better) until we’ve got SB rings. After that we can work on Kjax’s growth chart during regular season. I will say however, I think that he is showing improvement, not only statistically, but he isn’t as painful to watch anymore either.
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by professortex on Nov 22, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
I'M BACK
I randomly found a txt file with my password for this account, and will henceforth no longer be using JG25, JG35, JG88, or whatever other accounts I’ve created with this picture in it. Excited to get back to commenting… and to see Matt II tear up the Jags.
Some questions I have:
I think the numbers may be deceiving b/c Jackson is sharing snaps this year with Allen. That would automatically lower the number of yds and TDs he can give up.
Also, you mentioned Jackson has higher ceiling, what is this based on? Both he and Allen were drafted in the first round.
Good points
I wasn’t entirely sure how to handle it. Maybe by snaps? Regardless, their ratios would be the same, so you’re still comparing apples to apples.
The ceiling thing is purely opinion. As I just mentioned in my comment to Rip, Allen had 4 1/2 seasons of pretty poor CB play under his belt, leading to his release. Plus, he’s 28, and unless your name is Darrell Green or Charles Woodson, CBs do not age well in the NFL. Kareem is improving, has a contract for 2012, and is 23.
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but to show improvement we'd need to know about number of snaps he had per game last year vs this year for those other numbers to be relevant (sp?) I think.
Good points on the ceiling stuff. I just wonder about amount of talent he has since there was concern over his speed and you can’t teach speed.
4.48 40
Not blazing, but not embarrassing.
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How does that compare to Jonathan Joseph?
My pet theory is that timing, and knowledge of what a given QB will do in a certain situation (and understanding what situation your rush is going to put the QB in) can make up for a lot speed wise.
Based on a quick google search
Scrabble also ran a 4.48 40 yard dash.
My point with this information isn’t that Jackson will ever be anywhere near as good as Scrabble.
My point is that if Jackson is a failure, it won’t be because he’s not fast enough in a 40 yard dash.
by Tailgate Andy on Nov 22, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
I strongly dislike
the “higher ceiling” assumption.
It mostly means they aren’t good now. Well, with those attributes, shouldn’t they be good already?
Leinart's 2011 final line: 6 wins, 3 losses. 12 TDs - 2 INTs, 2,100 yards with 62% completion.
Not always
Look at your sig line and compare that to Leinart’s history. Aren’t you assuming his ceiling is higher comparatively to what he’s done as a pro?
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Another thought that was brought up by the writer and I wouldn't mind a more detailed response than "let's see what he's got!"
Seems that recently, certain writers have attempted to trumpet the rise of Kareem Jackson and they generally base this on the what I will call the “perception” that he hasn’t effed up in the last few games, although that is arguable in itself; because he has effed up. It’s just that the referees haven’t been calling his eff-ups, and I think that may be a general consensus of many fans who have watched the past few games. Anyways, that a long lead-in to my question….. What is the “ceiling” for Kareem Jackson? Is it to be a better than average starter in this league? Is it to be a superior starter in this league? Is it to be a shutdown corner in this league? The boosting of Kareem seems to be becoming a fad, but I never see anyone commit to saying just how good they think he will be. I suspect, that this boosting is just to be able to say at a later date, “I said he could be better!” But, those could just be lame words, if you are vague like just asking the question, “What is Kareem’s ceiling?”
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I'm coming atya, bfd
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You're asking intelligent, thoughtful questions.
Bring it on.
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Plus, I stated something of the sort above
The pass rush has been simply superlative in the last three games, which gives the D-backfield great reason to play better, and they have. But, how much of their improvement can be attributed to the freakin’ outstanding pass rush? Shouldn’t we expect the D-backs to freakin’ shine, too?!?!?
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I'd guess that is all very hard to answer because everyone has improved.
A rising tide lifts all boats and all that.
But I do think having a leader in the secondary (Jonathan Joseph) and an actual coach (Vance Joseph) has improved his play some. But I have to agree that all the questions you bring are are quite valid and he hasn’t improved vastly.
OK
High end? Maybe like a slightly lesser Ronde Barber, somebody who struggles against bigger, faster receivers, but he’s a sure-handed tackler and isn’t going to hurt you with too many mental mistakes.
Low end? Kareem Jackson.
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I think he could end up being a solid #2 corner in the league…but as his “pro ready, 1st round pick status” is concerned even then he will be a bust.
I’d rather see Harris get some time and both Kareem and Jason get more bench time personally…or at least some time in at nickel.
by SMITHILLIAK on Nov 22, 2011 3:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think
if he were drafted where he should have been, late 2nd, and not thrown to the wolves last year, everyone would be more ok with his position as an almost-average but improving CB2.
Leinart's 2011 final line: 6 wins, 3 losses. 12 TDs - 2 INTs, 2,100 yards with 62% completion.
I'm holding my breath for that...
Did you know that some writer, not here, came up with his Midseason Unsung Players list and he mentioned Shaun Cody? Didn’t give him an award, but he was mentioned….
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That's awesome.
For a player who coming into the season as one of our biggest weaknesses he has been far less a liability than anyone could have predicted.
Has it been a rise
or an unexpected lack of sucking?
by Tailgate Andy on Nov 22, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
It's the #1 D, so just not sucking would be bringing the D down, right?
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I don't think so.
To me, sucking means making plays that hurt the defense. For instance, if Cody got blocked into Cushing so that neither one of them could make the play, that would be a play where Cody sucked.
Not sucking would be where he’s not preventing someone else from making the play, but he’s not really contributing to the defensive stop either.
Playing well is when he either makes the stop, or does something so that someone else has an easier job making the stop.
If he’s just not sucking, rather than playing well, he wouldn’t be bringing down the defense, but he wouldn’t be making it any better either.
by Tailgate Andy on Nov 22, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
I agree that he's exceeding expectations
But if you’re expecting to crash into a wall at 90 miles an hour, hitting that wall at 80 miles an hour is still exceeding expectations.
I haven’t rewatched film, but the fact that Cody isn’t jumping out at me when I’m watching the game makes me think that he’s a neutral piece of the defense (not a positive or a negative).
by Tailgate Andy on Nov 22, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
Wow! That's a statement
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You know, that's a good point, because I think Denver would be picking up a good portion of the ticket
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Yeh, and Cutler is hurt...
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If we can get him for less than a mil
I say do it, but other than that I’d almost rather have Yates get some experience.
by SMITHILLIAK on Nov 22, 2011 3:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would be like meh,
not to compete for anything more than 3rd qb, he’s prolly a rilly good practice qb.
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Should we pick him up??!?!!?!??!?!?!?!?
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Thanks
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Nope
Are u saying ur not a gentleman?? lol
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Hah
Naa I was gonna take your word on it…lol
by SMITHILLIAK on Nov 22, 2011 3:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely. If Leinart gets hurt or falls flat on his face, and Schaub cannot return, then Orton is the best of what's left out there.
I’d venture a guess that the QB whisperer could raise his game.
yes get him
he’s far better than anything else out there
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by F-BombTheJets on Nov 22, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Having Leinart and Orton would make it easier to decide to put Schaubby on the shelf for the season
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Congrats
You were able to successfully show everyone that Kareem Jackson is slightly less of a first round bust than Jason Allen. Sure he’s better, so what? They’re both no worthy of starting corner status in this league but at the moment we have nothing better at our 2nd corner position. Thankfully our defense is good enough this year to make up for their deficiencies. Either way I hope beyond hope Kareem Jackson is not in the starting line up next year because he’s simply not good; your stats also back up this claim. He’s actually beyond not good and slightly above terrible. The biggest problem is he won’t improve because his biggest deficiencies don’t lie in something you can coach or teach out of him but rather in athleticism. He’s simple too slow to make up for it when he gets beat (which he does often), and nothing will change that. Fact of the matter is we screwed the pooch on drafting him, and he wouldn’t have been a 1st rounder had he not been on a national championship team. Thankfully our defense has learned to excel in spite of Kareem Jackson.
But
Coaching can change the rate at which he has to catch up.
I might be mistaken but are Champ Bailey and revis very fast??
U don’t have to out run them as long as u don’t get beat at the line.
by SMITHILLIAK on Nov 22, 2011 3:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Revis 4.39
Bailey 4.18. Freaking sick.
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His athleticism isn't that bad.
It’s just not good enough that he can recover from a mistake every time.
Coaching can change the rate at which Jackson makes mistakes.
by Tailgate Andy on Nov 22, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
his instincts aint great either, and that also helps to make up for lack of speed
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by F-BombTheJets on Nov 22, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
I'll grant you that he doesn't automatically know what to do if a play breaks down, or if the receiver does something unexpected.
That’s what he needs to be coached about. The other thing, aside from coaching, that will improve his reactions, is actual game experience.
If your argument against Kareem is that he doesn’t have the instincts to be a #2 CB right now, then it sounds to me like he needs to gain experience (especially since Kareem playing isn’t hurting us right now) so that he’ll get better and actually contribute to this defense.
by Tailgate Andy on Nov 22, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
I think his footwork has been his biggest stumbling block; more than lack of speed
He misuses his feet, which sets him up so he can’t recover at all, and gives the receiver space. Now, I know the coaches have been working with him on that and it does show, because the space between him and the receiver is shrinking. That is noticeable. I think his speed is sufficient. Footwork improvement will put him in the right place to make plays.
Geez, I sound like bfd here…..
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Heh
Well said.
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If you look at Revis, and I'm not saying Jackson can be Revis, but listen
Revis has the best footwork I have ever seen. (He is also very good at holding) Anyways, Jackson needs to watch as much tape of Revis as he can, because that is the guy he needs to model himself after. Footwork and hands. The speed is there already. Footwork and hands.
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Awesome
If you assume players cannot improve, you have a point.
But players can get better year over year, so your entire comment is immediately rendered moot.
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i never said they couldnt improve. currently his instincts are not great., is that a lie?
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by F-BombTheJets on Nov 22, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
That was for Utah
Not you.
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They’re both no worthy of starting corner status in this league but at the moment we have nothing better at our 2nd corner position.
I disagree. The #2 pass defense in the league is my argument.
Seriously though as #2 CB’s they are, as a combo, pretty good. They’ll get beat but they will make plays to. Of course this sounds like the “we have no WR’s besides Andre” argument so meh.
In the end though he’s playing better, unfortunately for you he’ll be playing and starting next year, and the defense as a whole is going to continue to improve. You and the long list of other BRB’s posters can overlook,downplay,point out every bad play (as if that was the only one of the game) etc… all you want. Just like most did (and sometimes still do) with Jacoby Jones.
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Do they not match what FO has?
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This brings me to the question
What is the internet record for bashing your head on the keyboard?
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This blog has lowered my possible gpa
And in no way is that a bad thing…anyone get the anchorman reference?
But really I have been putting off homework an avg of 3 hours a day ever since I started reading this blog. And for that I am grateful.
by SMITHILLIAK on Nov 22, 2011 3:26 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Alan Jackson
disagrees immensely with the quality of Allen or Jackson.

by morecowbell-lesscowboys on Nov 22, 2011 3:37 PM CST reply actions
Haha!
We’re all stalling giving MDC a few more minutes to get his act together and post the TDH, anyways…..
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Another fine article, BFD
I think that KJ’s play over the past several (3) games HAVE warranted this discussion when compared to his past lack of presence on the field. I think, however, that talking about Ice Kareem in a positive sense is like people talking about greasy farts: rarely discussed and with great distaste.
A cornucopia of wholesome goodness!
Do you mean greasy as in bean burrito greasy or greasy as in vegetarian greasy
Because, you know, if you eat nothing but broccoli casserole, fried zucchini, garlic potatoes and such, we’re talking about a different kind of greasy.
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/flagged for politics
or religion? or both? It’s hard to label vegetarianism but its fun to hate on it.
I was worried that you might object to my linking Mexican food to being greasy.....
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Ugh
That mess intentionally causes a problem that, as parents of a child with cystic fibrosis, we fight to prevent. I can’t stand the thought of intentionally causing pancreatic insufficiency.
/ends rant.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 22, 2011 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
Decent article, but
and I’m probably echoing a sentiment already voiced in this thread, but…
(so many but’s when you go to talk about KJax)
Yes, statistically you can make the case, but the timing of Allen’s interceptions can not be understated… the Steelers game looms especially large at this point.
You can make an argument for more playing time, and I’ll listen, but when I need a corner out there to mainly just not flip the fuck out and grab a guy cause he might be beat… give me Allen.
I said above I think that INT is a TD if Kareem is on the field.
And the fact that Allen is in a position to make some INTs, whereas Kareem is not is about all I have to know about their play to know who I want in coverage.
INTs aren't everything about CB play
If I could trust Kareem would be there to break those up (not necessarily intercept them), I’d say, OK
But he’s much more likely to just freak out and tackle his guy while the ball is in the air, from what I’ve seen.
by Andres_Johnson on Nov 22, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed that INTs aren't the end all be all for CBs
But all things being equal, given their PT & stats – they are, INTs are a huge difference maker when considering the frequency and timing of Allen’s picks. IMHO.
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More importantly
they area huge difference maker in the outcome of the game. When Kjax learns or develops ball hawking skills—while maintaining coverage skills—, then we’ll talk about real improvement
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by professortex on Nov 22, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah nothing like picking off a hail mary like throw with very little time on the clock that everybody knew was coming.
Not trying to knock it (good job Allen) but that wasn’t exactly an INT on the 50 yard line in a tied game.
That Jason Campbell pass into double coverage he picked off still doesn’t make sense to me but I’ll take it.
The INT in the Jags game was great though. Not as important as the Cushing INT but very nice.
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VOTE
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All the things we say Kareem can't do.....
Are all the things he was supposed to be able to do coming out of college right?
Todd McShay: Jackson is one of the most underrated prospects in the 2010 class, and has the size, agility and balance to hold up in bump-and-run coverage on the perimeter. Plus, Jackson’s instincts and technique are outstanding
, so he should be ready to play as a rookie despite leaving school a year early.
NFL.com: The Texans surprisingly take Kareem Jackson over Kyle Wilson as their franchise cornerback. The former Alabama standout has been flying up the charts in recent weeks, and his versatile skill set is a nice fit in the Texans’ scheme. While the argument will be made that Wilson is more talented than Jackson, it is hard to argue against taking a solid player well groomed in a pro-style defensive system.
More NFL.com: Jackson has an excellent combination of size and athleticism for the position. He is a very confident defender that will play tight to his opponent in both man and zone coverage schemes. Jackson shows great foot quickness burst and speed to stay with top receivers. He is an instinctive palyer that is quick to anticipate and jump routes as plays unfold. He is a competitive player but is inconsistent to as a run support defender. Jackson needs to rap up ball carriers better on the perimeter as well as corralling receivers in the open field.
So what happened between Alabama and now? I find him to be very capable in run support this year and last year, but suspect on deep passing routes and he seems to play to far off to really do any bump and run coverage whether by scheme design or his own comfort level . So could it be, Frank Bush is what happened to him and Wade has been able to mask the deficiencies that were prominently on display all last year!?
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Despite what everyone thinks
Playing in a “pro-style defense” in college isn’t a direct indicator of success (as we’ve seen). I think a part of Jackson’s horrible rookie season is directly related Frank Bush’s “defensive schemes” and “game planning.” That said, blame also needs to be attributed to Jackson.
Looking at this year compared to last, there is noticeable improvement, ESPECIALLY in YAC. What that says to me is that even if he’s playing off of his assignment, he’s closing faster and tackling better. I think his confidence took a HUGE hit last year with his performance, and I think he’s starting to get it back.
I’m not going to say that Jackson is going to become All-Pro, or that he’s really the answer right now. However, I’m not ready to proclaim him the worst of all time either. He’s average right, but if he continues to play at a high level like he has the past few weeks, he deserves more playing time.
My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.
All good points
There’s two ways to look at it, right?
Glass half empty: Even though it appeared Jackson had a lot of skills in college, he turned out to be a scouting bust, and his upside is that of a fry cook.
Glass half full: Jackson came to us with a lot of skills and natural ability, but Frank Bush is Frank Bush, and he’s still salvageable.
I fall under scenario number two.
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Right now, I believe its more of #2
Based off what II’ve seen and because Mel Kiper and Todd McShay are never wrong!
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yes, I think it is #2 also
he is slowly getting his confidence back and that is the key I think. Personally, I think it might be a good idea to limit his playing time until he has the confidence to WANT to play more because he knows he can do better than the other guy. I have to trust the staff to know when that time is.
Ditto here
but the question i think is: Should we give him more playing time now, or wait till we are more comfortable in our playoff position? I say, don’t mess with it right now. Play the best guy we have.
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by professortex on Nov 22, 2011 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
they really screwed the pooch on the evaluation.
"Well if they've been watching football, i dont think they would say its the same old Texans. I went down. Mario went down. Danieal Manning went down and right now we're sitting at the top of the AFC. If they feel that way they were bandwagoners anyways. So thats the way i feel about it." Andre Johnson
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by Foster Child on Nov 23, 2011 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
You know what i would like to see
Glover Quin and where he stands with starting SS and where Mario Blanco stands up as a DE….curious
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BFD, you make a decent case for Jackson being better this year than last, but not that he should be starting over Allen. Why start him just to “see what he’s got” when we are trying to make the playoffs for the first time? I would go with the CB that gives me a better chance to win, and that would be Allen.
Of course, I trust Mr. Phillips knows more about this stuff than we do…
yeah. gotta go with wade's judgement at this point.
In Wade we trust…
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Frankly, it's a hard argument to make with those pesky "facts"
Much of what I see is pure gut instinct. It’s like my job and the stock market lately. Just because I’ve been sucking less than the market doesn’t make me good! But there’s SOMETHING there to hang your hat on. That’s how I feel with Kareem.
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Instinct
The fact that Jackson always seems to be looking at the receiver when the ball arrives leads me to believe he doesn’t have the instincts to play at a decent level…yet. Maybe after a year or two of “deprogramming” he’ll be better.
by Foster Child on Nov 22, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
looks like we have our new backup QB!
Kyle Orton waived by the Broncos. Yes THOSE Broncos that all make their way to the Texans roster
by HabitualHoustonFan on Nov 22, 2011 5:40 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
I think we should combine Allen and Jackson, and we'll have the best CB2 in the league.
/Kubiak’d
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by Jon Banks on Nov 22, 2011 5:53 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
If I'm an opposing QB...
I’d still rather throw at Kareem/Allen double coverage than Joseph on an island. Though I suppose those two are at least more competent at bracketing a receiver than the Diles/Pollard tandem. I’m no lover of Frank Bush, but you know you’re pretty boned when you commit two defenders to keeping an opposing TE in check, and the opposing team still goes right at him with success.
personally
I’d rather have Allen. He actually locates and catches the ball. Jackson seems to panic and flail wildly (see Bucs game).
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by HoustonTransplant on Nov 22, 2011 6:01 PM CST reply actions
All I know is the first pass of every game we're on D
seems to head towards K-Jax…says something
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Statistical proof or it didn't happen.
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Saying he has gotten better this year
Is faint praise isn’t it? I mean he had no where to go but up from last year’s performance. I still have no trust in KJ, and plays like the Colt McCoy “just throw it in KJ’s direction” completion make it hard for me to acknowledge any real improvement. Given the fact that Allen and Jackson are pretty close in the “who’s better” argument, I personally would much rather have the guy who has shown he can make the big play. Give me Allen.
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by Mumford on Nov 22, 2011 8:00 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
I mean he had no where to go but up from last year’s performance.
Uh no who could not have improved at all or gotten worse compared to last year. The “nowhere to go but up” train of thinking is silly.
KJ’s improvement comes from vastly improved coaching and a far better front 7 than the one he played behind in 2010. I’d say Allen and KJ are close to even but KJ has a higher ceiling than Allen at this point IMO.
and plays like the Colt McCoy "just throw it in KJ’s direction" completion make it hard for me to acknowledge any real improvement
And we can sit here and nit pick at plays like the pass Colt McCoy managed to complete which was a pretty nice catch BTW. It happens to the best CB’s at times. I don’t understand how that is an indictment of KJ’s season just because it was completed. Are we going to sit hear and say Jason Allen no better than last year because he got beat in the Tampa bay game for a long completion? I mean that’s the logic in what you just said.
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If you are going to try to argue him as a viable CB
Then he had no where to go but up. If he got worse than he was last year, he has no business being in the NFL. Allen looks to be the better CB to my eye, and it looks like the stats back that up. Even if it is a slim margin. I don’t buy the whole “higher ceiling” thing as he has not shown anything that says he will ever be better than mediocre at best. And Colt has not been the only QB this year to just throw it in the general direction of KJ when in trouble.
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by Mumford on Nov 22, 2011 10:34 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Against CLE
Kareem:
5 Targets
3 Receptions
40 yards (most from the 24-yarder)
1 PD
85.4 QB rating against
JoJo:
6 Targets
5 Receptions
34 yards
1 PD
129.9 QB rating against.
1 TD allowed
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 22, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
In other words
Should we sit JoJo after the CLE game?
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 22, 2011 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
FIRE THE BUM!!!OMGBBQSCREWLOGIX
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Nov 23, 2011 7:01 AM CST up reply actions
Come on now
That is silly and you know it…
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by Mumford on Nov 23, 2011 7:12 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
To expand
How is me saying KJ has not improved enough this season for me to have faith in him as our CB2 equivalent to me saying bench JJo because he had a game where he was statistically worse than KJ? Statistics don’t tell the entire story, which I am sure you are quite aware of. But seeing the stats on KJ and watching him play, I don’t believe he will get much better than he is right now. Could I be wrong? Sure, but I don’t think using some extreme example that I in no way implied is the proper way to point that out.
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by Mumford on Nov 23, 2011 7:21 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
It's just more proof that statistics lie
Trust your eyes
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himmleresque...
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Why is QB rating against completely ignored in the Allen-Jackson argument?
I don’t know that I’ve seen the full argument for QB rating against used for individual defensive players, but there seems to be some data that says it’s an effective way to measure the true strength of a defense, at least according to this guy:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/kerry_byrne/11/09/texans.defense/index.html
by FosterParentInMyFantasyLeague on Nov 22, 2011 8:38 PM CST reply actions
Ummm...
It’s up there in the categories?
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are you trying to argue
the definition of “ignored”?
Leinart's 2011 final line: 6 wins, 3 losses. 12 TDs - 2 INTs, 2,100 yards with 62% completion.
yeah its in there
but you did ignore it.
QB Rating (Allen)67.0 (Jackson)106.9
Ultimately, the difference between the two are Allen’s interceptions.
This is a significant QB rating delta. If the stat is a good test, it seems you may in fact be ignoring this stat.
Leinart's 2011 final line: 6 wins, 3 losses. 12 TDs - 2 INTs, 2,100 yards with 62% completion.
Not at all
The entire difference comes from Allen’s INTs, which are great! Don’t get me wrong. For Kareem, it’s a marked improvement on his 2010 numbers.
Fact is, the numbers are there, not ignored. If you compare Kareem’s to JoJo’s, once again, the entire story is the INTs. I think this is a skill Kareem has but he is not fulfilling in 2011.
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 22, 2011 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
to set the record straight
here’s the whole quote:
Player Allen Jackson
% Caught 51.0% 58.3%
Yards Allowed/Game 35.9 40.8
Avg. Yards/Catch 12.9 15.5
Yards After Catch/Game 10.1 6.1
TDs/Game .33 .25
INTs/Game .33 0
Passes Defensed/Game .33 .38
QB Rating 67.0 106.9
Ultimately, the difference between the two are Allen’s interceptions.
The way I read “Ultimately, the difference between the two are Allen’s interceptions.” is you see that stack of stats and evaluate them to “they are all close except INTs/Game”.
Where I see a 40% better QB Rating as another dissimilar (and previously mentioned important and ignored) stat.
Leinart's 2011 final line: 6 wins, 3 losses. 12 TDs - 2 INTs, 2,100 yards with 62% completion.
The thing is, interceptions are included in the QB rating formula.
Most other numbers being similar, Allen’s picks are pretty much the sole reason for the immense QB rating differential. Hence, the difference between the two are indeed Allen’s interceptions. They are the biggest reason his QB rating allowed is significantly lower.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 24, 2011 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
got it
makes sense.
So QBR against is not so important if it provides too much weight to interceptions, I would think.
Leinart's 2011 final line: 6 wins, 3 losses. 12 TDs - 2 INTs, 2,100 yards with 62% completion.
Sort of.
QB rating weighs interceptions and touchdowns pretty heavily, and completion percentage and yards per attempt a little less so. It’s a really convoluted formula with seemingly random caps. It’s somewhat useful for what it’s meant to measure, but it’s also really limited in scope.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passer_rating#NFL
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I said KJ would get better this year and he has.
How the Texans are using him now doesn’t need to change. It’s only his second year and working in a rotation improving his techniques is the way to go.
Look for next year to be something of a breakout year for him (like McCain this year, another guy who was hated but is now playing exceptional football.).
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
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by nolander on Nov 22, 2011 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'ed
Because I love me.
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Blaspheme!!!!
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Perfect Example of Kareem Jackson
Against the Jags Kareem drew an obvious pass interference call. THe call might have been negated by a J-ville penalty (i can’t remember) what’s important was Kareem’s action While this is to be expected from Mr. Jackson, and is in actuality better than what usually happens when opposing qbs throw his way this particular play was a microcosm of whats wrong with him. FIrst and foremost he was beat my an average receiver (i don’t need to name names, every J-Ville receiver is average or below) on a wheel route. After being beat Jackson turned his head toward the sideline to address the ball; as if the pass would be coming from Jack Del Rio and not the supremely terrible Blaine Gabbert. Secondly once Kareem addressed the position at which the ball could have never come from he proceeded to put his hands up and run straight at the receivers without turning his head. So basically he was beat by a sub par receiver on a wheel route, showed the lack of speed to recover, addressed the ball as if it was coming from the sideline, failed to turn around on a badly under thrown ball, and had his hands up for a face guarding call if the PI wasn’t called. It’s typical Kareem; I rest my case.
*Note: i have nothing against Kareem personally I’m just calling it like it is. Fact of the matter is our defense is so good this year, his miscues end up being negated. He hasn’t improved, the team has.

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