A Review Of The Texans' Infirmary... Um... Game Against Jacksonville

by Vega on Nov 28, 2011 12:00 PM CST in General BRB Idiocy

Reports have recently surfaced that T.J. Yates did not fly back from Jacksonville with the rest of the team, but was instead packaged in a crate with foam peanuts and slowly driven back to Houston with a police escort.

Has there ever been a less satisfying victory in Texans' history? The Texans are 8-3, with a two game lead in the division. They are 4-0 in division play, boast the greatest defense in team history, a potent running game, an incredible receiving corps, and are in line to host a playoff game for the first time in team history.

Yet for some reason, I have that same Monday morning feeling that I do after a loss. Oh yeah, it's probably because of that quarterback mess.

While it's true that any player can get hurt at any time, I never though that the Matt Leinart experience was going to last just two freaking quarters. Now we're facing a situation where T.J. Yates will be leading your Houston Texans to the playoffs.

If I believed in a higher power that cared enough to influence football games, I'd seriously be questioning what the hell Texans fans did to piss him/her/it off. Is it possible that Bud Adams really did sell his soul to the devil and part of the deal is the never ending suffering of Texans fans? Did Bob McNair dig up the remains of an ancient Native American chieftain to install a goal post? Did Gary Kubiak steal a battle red ruby from Tutankhamen's tomb?

Well, I can't answer those questions, but let's take a quick look back at what happened yesterday and remind ourselves that the Texans did, in fact, win.

Here we go:

It's rather irrelevant now, but I think that Matt Leinart was getting a bit of a bad rap for his play. Do I wish he would have gone downfield more? Sure, but he did have a beautiful touchdown to Joel Dreessen and, more importantly, didn't make any mistakes. He did pretty much exactly what I expected him to do. Now, if he did that same checkdown crap for the next few games, I might have an issue, but remember, we didn't need Leinart to take over games -- just to manage them. Again, this is irrelevant now, but the plan for Yates should be the same.
Did it seem to anyone else that the takedown of Leinart was borderline "driving the quarterback to the ground"?
Matt Schaub, Matt Leinart, and Mario Williams are all out for the season (assuming reports are true that Leinart's injury is in fact season-ending). I'm not trying to read too much into this, but if I were a Texans player whose first name started with the letter "M", I'd be a little more careful these days. Does anybody know the extent of Mister Alexander's injury?

Arian Foster's 43 yard run aside, the running game was atrocious yesterday. According to Advanced NFL Stats, Foster had a -0.34 WPA and -13.4 EPA. This was heavily impacted by his fumble, but even more so by the 25.8% success rate. That's bad. It's not all on Foster either, as he got very little help up front. The Jags are the 5th ranked run defense according to Football Outsiders and are also in the top 5 in Advanced NFL Stats. Still, the Texans are going to have to find a way to make the running game work with T.J. Yates now driving the bus.

Does anyone else feel like punching the crap out of the guys in those McDonald's commercials?

Apparently Peyton Manning is more important to the Colts' defense than either Matt Schaub or Matt Leinart are to the Texans' defense.

I have absolutely no idea what to expect from the T.J. Yates experience, but I was impressed with his arm strength and poise under pressure.

That said, I have a very difficult time envisioning the Texans winning a playoff game behind the play of a fifth round rookie quarterback.

If you feel that T.J. Yates is not much of a step down from Matt Leinart, I think that speaks more to your feelings about Matt Leinart than your feelings about T.J. Yates, and it's probably not a good thing.

Does drinking Miller Light really scream "Man" to anyone? I'd say that as far as beer goes, anything "light" is a bit of a knock on your man card in itself.

Speaking of Miller Light, adding hops three times during the brewing process doesn't really mean much if you don't also tell me the volume of hops, the type of hops or the time at which they were added. Different hops provide different levels of flavor or aroma and the time at which you add them determines their impact. Think of hops as the equivalent of chilli peppers in salsa. The difference between a jalapeno and a habanero is huge, as is the difference between saaz hops and chinook hops. It's the equivalent of saying "I add chili peppers three times when I make my salsa," but if that only means you cut up one jalapeno and put it in at three different times, it's not that impressive.

I have no idea why these commercials get me so worked up. I blame the injuries.

I know I'm in the minority, but I had no problem with the play calling in the fourth quarter. The Jaguars had scored 3 offensive points in the game to that point and over the course of seven quarters this year had not proven that they can move the ball against the Texans' defense. Running Arian Foster into a wall may not be exciting, but it was safe (earlier fumbles notwithstanding) and probably killed a good five minutes. Letting Yates air it out only increases the probability of something going wrong and giving the Jaguars another cheapie touchdown.

You also have to add in the fact that should anything happen to Yates, you're looking at Owen Daniels taking snaps. While I'm sure OD can play a better quarterback than say, Blaine Gabbert, the risk of throwing the ball in that position far outweighs the potential reward.

Even still, one has to wonder what sort of atrocities Ben Tate did to Gary Kubiak's puppy to warrant a meager five touches. While the blame for the inability to run the ball must be shared, giving Tate a few touches doesn't alter that risk/reward analysis. Sure Tate has had some late game fumbles, but Foster didn't exactly have a death grip out there.

Between T.J. Yates, J.J. Watt, and nicknames such as OD, AJ, and JJ, one will soon be able to refer to the entire Texans roster using only initials.

I'm not generally one to point fingers at referees, and I'd say that most of the calls that may be considered "questionable" could have gone either way, but the personal foul on the J.J. Watt sack was atrocious. The fact that they couldn't even explain it made it worse.

Even more so, how was that a more egregious violation than the head shot to a sliding Yates a few minutes later?

My sister lived in Jacksonville for a while, so I've spent a decent amount of time in that city. As far as the cities in Florida that I would enjoy spending time in, I'd rank Jacksonville towards the bottom of the list -- probably only above Gainesville. The only redeeming factor of the area is the TPC at Sawgrass (though it's technically Ponte Vedra), so as a Floridian, I'd be perfectly happy trading Jacksonville to Georgia in exchange for a basket of peaches.

Ok, fine, I'd be OK with raising the tax rate to pay Georgia to take Jacksonville.

Even though I technically live in Jacksonville viewing territory, the powers that be decided to play the Bills at Jets game over the Jacksonville home game, despite it being a "sell out". Thank goodness for Sunday Ticket.

Hey, did you see Kareem Jackson with another pass interference call? I know Solomon Wilcotts said it was a weak call, and maybe it was, but Jackson clearly had no idea where the ball was, nor did he make an effort to play it.

I think Kareem Jackson has officially entered the Amobi Okoye memorial "I don't care how young you are, at some point you need to show some sense of ability" zone. In fact, Kareem Jackson has made far fewer plays than Amobi Okoye did in his first two years and has been involved in far more disasters.

Johnathan Joseph, on the other hand, made a brilliant play on the ball with his interception. While it was a poorly thrown ball, he timed his jump perfectly and stole it from the receiver.

What can you say about the Texans' pass rush? It was clear that by the second half, Blaine Gabbert was taking the snap and looking for the rush. At one point, they showed him walking off the field and he had the look of a beaten man. I loved it.

If the Texans continue to play well and win the division, doesn't Kubiak have to get consideration for Coach of the Year? No other coach has faced this level of adversity.

On second thought, does Coach of the Year have to go to a head coach or can Wade Phillips get consideration too? Can they split it?

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UGH

go T.J.!1

Make Em Eat Grass

by F-BombTheJets on Nov 28, 2011 12:10 PM CST reply actions

Aroo???

what sort of atrocities Ben Tate did to Gary Kubiak’s puppy to warrant a meager five touches

/picks up red phone
“Hello? Yeah, we’ve got another one…”
/hangs up phone

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by DilloTex on Nov 28, 2011 12:12 PM CST reply actions

I KNOW

what did tate do or not do…i was screaming at my TV to put tate in…stupid tv never listens to me…

can some one shed some light on the teh texans being Tateless in the second half

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by TexanSam on Nov 28, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions

I believe Kubes seems to think Foster is a better blocker

than Tate and he was simply trying to get out of the game with 1 healthy QB.

by memyselfini on Nov 28, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions

I think it's the home run potential with Foster

Especially on screens and dump off passes, which we still tried to throw with Yates in there. As he showed on the 40+ yard run, even though he was getting stuffed all game there was still a possibility that he could break one at any moment.

Still, Tate has shown some big play ability too and I wish he would’ve seen more action.

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by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions

Yuck

So you’re saying Arian Foster is Chris Johnson now?

by EastonFection on Nov 28, 2011 5:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

When you put it that way

I feel dirty just thinking about it.

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by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 7:55 PM CST up reply actions

He didn't have a good game (in fact, Arian had an unusual bad game).

But nobody on offense really stood out.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 28, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions

He had a great 43(?) yard run and a goal line TD

Other than that you’re right. It just looked like everything was sloppy on the O side of the ball.

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by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 8:19 PM CST up reply actions

turned on ESPN just in time to see the F word to Houston conversation.

Skip Bayless…. ugh.

by Toolshed1 on Nov 28, 2011 12:13 PM CST reply actions

You can hear that on any station

Radio or TV. I heard it 2 times coming into work this morning.

"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce

by Mumford on Nov 28, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions

This is my argument against the "KJ has improved this year" talk

Hey, did you see Kareem Jackson with another pass interference call? I know Solomon Wilcotts said it was a weak call, and maybe it was, but Jackson clearly had no idea where the ball was, nor did he make an effort to play it.

Maybe he has gotten slightly better this year, but he still continually can not locate the ball. There is also that one PI every game thing…

"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce

by Mumford on Nov 28, 2011 12:14 PM CST reply actions

Agreed

but Jason Allen looked pretty bad as well yesterday. I never thought I would say this and I know his size might prevent this from happening…. but it seems that Brice McCain is our CB playing the best after JoJo…. should he get a shot at the CB2 job?

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by theSpaceCityKid on Nov 28, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions

no he didn't. he got hit for a couple of short routes.

and mccain is more a nickel type corner

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by Carter Liles on Nov 28, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions

Last drive of the game he gave up a rather long pass.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Nov 28, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions

Or an even better solution.

You guys can stop complaining every time Kareem or Allen gets beat for a long pass acting like the pass defense is ranked 32 overall.

Allen and Kareem will get beat. Yeah absurd to think but it will happen. Hell JJow gave up a long pass yesterday to. It happens.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Nov 28, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions

Yes

but JJo also makes good plays. I wouldn’t have as much of an issue with Kareem’s bad plays if he occasionally made a good one. Nearing the end of his second year, we should at least be able to look back at a few plays and see progress/potential, but it’s just not there.

by Vega on Nov 28, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions

Kareem still needs to improve in pass defense of course I'm not saying he's playing excellent CB.

But he has notable improved from last year and is one of the more consistent tacklers in the secondary which compared to last year is a big deal to me. He also doesn’t give up the same amount of yards after catch like he did last year which can be attributed to his tackling.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Nov 28, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions

Going from worst corner in the league

to terribly bad is an improvement, but he still does not look to be close.

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by Carter Liles on Nov 28, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions

You say terribly bad.

I say below average.

Difference of opinion but since he starts for the Texans over Allen and plays more than he does throughout the game seems like the coaches like his play.

I reiterate, he’s not playing “great” and barely even average but he’s not as horribly as some seem to wish and he’s really improved on his tackling which was one of the weakest parts of his game last year.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Nov 28, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions

I have to chime in late and

belabor the point that Kareem just doesn’t get his head around toward the incoming pass. It is this way most of the time. This is why he gets flagged when there’s iffy contact. This is sometimes why he is in a position to get toasted. I will grant you his tackling. I will grant you his improvement, though I wish to stay out of a discussion on his level of improvement.

Getting your head around and locating the ball is a fundamental of the cornerback position, and as we all know exponentially increases your chances of successfully defending a pass. Improvement or not, this is a noticeable, serious issue with him.

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by Christopher H on Nov 28, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions

I would like to promote a theme that I brought up before - footwork

Kareem doesn’t have it and I believe, on 90% of the plays that he gets beat on, you can trace it back to his bad footwork. He is always trying to get back into a play and it starts with getting out of the play and that is because of his dang lack of footwork.

Yes, that is something you can teach him and hopefully something he can learn. But, it is continual, and he hasn’t proven that he can do it yet. My recommendation is that that is almost all he works on in practice, all he looks at on tape, all he does. Until he learns footwork, he is a liability being on the field and anything else that he learns is for naught.

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by Rip Jersey on Nov 28, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions

below average is not what should be expected or tolerated from a 1st round CB

the team missed on KJ bc they had no idea or plan when drafting on the defensive side of the ball before Wade. Hes going to be a whipping boy until hes gone.

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by Stash Musial on Nov 28, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions

Nnamdi was considerd a bust his first 3 years

I’d say he worked out alright

by BC5 on Nov 28, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions

Ah....the Namdi Law

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by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions

At what point do we stop pointing at Nnamdi and saying, "See! He sucked and is now good!"

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by Rip Jersey on Nov 28, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions

Considering the season he's having

I say right now

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by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

^^This...

Beat me to it.

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by DilloTex on Nov 28, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions

'specially considering how heavily this team will be forced to rely on the defense.

They’re at a point where one blown coverage could well mean the game. Yes it will happen, they all get paid out there, but it is man up time.

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by chuckiepoo on Nov 28, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions

FIRST!!!

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by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 7:55 PM CST up reply actions

fair enough

Ill put the over/under of KJ pro bowl apperances at .5 and put 10 internet dollars on the under. Care to take the other side of that action?

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by Stash Musial on Nov 28, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions

He's at least close enough this year to make the tackle after the catch or commit PI.

by jkcheng122 on Nov 28, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions

Yes

But it happens to KJ every game it seems. He either gets beat for a big play, or gets beat and gets a PI called on him. Just because our defense overall is amazing does not mean that one can not point out the weak spots, which KJ clearly is.

I don’t complain about Allen, because even though he is not all that good he is not near as bad as KJ IMO and actually makes plays every once in a while.

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by Mumford on Nov 28, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions

does not mean that one can not point out the weak spots

I don’t complain about Allen, because even though he is not all that good

Not sure how that works out but anyways you are severely undercutting KJ and Allen here because I think both are at or below average right now. They will make some plays but they will also get beat but just like how everybody loves (or used to love) to trash Jacoby he’s not nearly as bad as you make it seem.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Nov 28, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions

Correction

Allen will make some plays, which is what I said. I have yet to see KJ make any plays with the exception of the 1 pass he broke up in the end zone. Neither Allen nor KJ are CB2 worthy IMO, but I can tolerate Allen simply because he will make plays on occasion.

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by Mumford on Nov 28, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions

Must I remind you of the Saints game?

When facing a good offense that can exploit KJ against the WR2 they dont shy away at all, making our great defense look real helpless real quick

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by theSpaceCityKid on Nov 28, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions

The whole defense had a bad game.

Pass rush ran out of gas in the 4th. Quin gave up a 60 yard pass and a TD. JJow gave up a TD and two 2 point conversions. Run defense gave up some long runs and Sproles had a coupe good returns on special teams. Not to mention the missed scoring opportunities by the offense in the redzone.

Thanks for reminding me of that game. Texans have come a long way since then.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Nov 28, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions

Ya most of the Texans have come a long way...

KJax has not.

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by theSpaceCityKid on Nov 28, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions

*WR3

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by Jon Banks on Nov 28, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions

i...am..so......scared..

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by theSpaceCityKid on Nov 28, 2011 12:15 PM CST reply actions 5 recs

Did Gary Kubiak steal a battle red ruby from Tutankhamen’s tomb?

LULZ.

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by chrisd21 on Nov 28, 2011 12:17 PM CST reply actions

re: Questionable calls

> JJ Watts sack (as mentioned)
> That ridiculous grounding call at the end of the first half. You CANNOT tell me that they would have called that on 5Head or ModelBanger…

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by DilloTex on Nov 28, 2011 12:18 PM CST reply actions

seriously what was up with that

I was at a bar so no sound, I thought throwing the ball threw the uprights never got called as intentional grounding

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by nolander on Nov 28, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions

That ref was as bad as we've had...

They showed on the replay that TJ had moved to his right and it appeared to me that he was outside the tackles. But according to referee JagOff McHomeCooker he wasn’t outside the tackle box. It was some SERIOUSLY weak sauce and in light of some of the other calls and non-calls I think that crew needs a review.

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by DilloTex on Nov 28, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

The only thing I can think of

is that it must be based on where the tackles start.

By the time Yates threw the ball, he was well outside of Eric Winston, but I’m not as confident that he was outside of where Eric Winston started.

by Tailgate Andy on Nov 28, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions

From an amatuer Ref's persepctive...

Kareem Jackson’s PI call. A good call, #25 was clearly making contact prior to the ball arriving and he was playing the player, not playing the ball.

JJ Watts Roughing call. A bad call. He was blocked into the QB. That should negate the low contact. (It would in NCAA).

TJ Yates Intentional Grounding. A good call. When throwing the ball away,you must do several things. If you are in the tackle box, you must throw beyond the LOS, and there must be a receiver in the area. There was clearly no receiver in the middle of the field.

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by distant_texans_fan on Nov 28, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions

Thank you sir!

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by chuckiepoo on Nov 28, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions

You are clearly being too rational and level-headed.

Cut it out!

by memyselfini on Nov 28, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions

Well on the

intentional grounding call he threw it over an eligible receiver’s head, granted he threw it 30 feet over his head, but usually that is good enough. Of course if you are a rookie, you don’t get away with those plays.

by Bobbythegreat on Nov 28, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions

Lest we not forget

and as Vega pointed out in the post, the head shot on Yates when he slid-no call, as well as the non-call on Poszluszny going head-first into Dreesen. It was a disgusting homer non-call. Dreesen almost didn’t get up. This crap is why I get incensed when they call us dirty. Pot, meet kettle.

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by Christopher H on Nov 28, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions

I don't care much for the talk. We won. They can talk all they want.

I don’t like the homer-Ref calls or non-calls.

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by Rip Jersey on Nov 28, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions

Re: non call of Poszluszny going head-first into Dreesen

It was called. It was offset with a another foul on the same play, off-setting fouls, no penalty.

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by distant_texans_fan on Nov 28, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions

Now that you mention it

It was offset by another personal foul, but I don’t recall seeing that on replay.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 28, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions

I don't remember that, but my memory might be lacking

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by Rip Jersey on Nov 28, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions

I had a look at the play by play. It is all Duane Brown's fault

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by distant_texans_fan on Nov 28, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions

That's not Poz, but okay

You know what? I had a brain-fart and was thinking about a totally different play. The play I was thinking of was the hit on the sliding Yates, where the defender almost took his head off while he was sliding.

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by Rip Jersey on Nov 28, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions

I'm not sure about the QB slide rule

NCAA doesn’t have an equivalent. Once a qb starts running, he is a runner, so he wouldn’t get any special protection like a passer would.

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by distant_texans_fan on Nov 28, 2011 7:03 PM CST up reply actions

When a QB is in a "slide"

He gets every protection. Also, it is never within the rules to hit a QB in the head. What more would you like to know about breaking the rules?

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by Rip Jersey on Nov 29, 2011 7:02 AM CST up reply actions

I was able to track down some info supporting that

Once he starts sliding, he is protected. But he isn’t down until his knee, or other standard body part, touches the ground. I’d have to try and find some footage of the slide to have a look what TJ did.

I vaguely remember a commentator saying something about head first slide. So it may be possible that the officials saw a head first dive, and not a QB slide.

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by distant_texans_fan on Nov 29, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions

huh?

It was a typical QB slide. If the official saw him dive head first then he doesn’t need to be an official, he needs an eye transplant.

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by Hydroshock on Nov 29, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions

Question on the grounding call is:

Is the tackle box where the tackles started before the snap or when the ball was thrown?

Yates was clearly outside Eric Winston when he threw the ball.

by jkcheng122 on Nov 28, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions

Its something the NCAA has been tweaking lately

And I’m not sure what the NFL does differently. But the NCAA uses the general position of theTackles prior to the snap. It is technically based on a set yardage laterally from the ball prior to the snap.

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by distant_texans_fan on Nov 28, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions

It's where they start

But it looked to me like Yates was just inside or just outside the box. Either way, Dillo is right, they wouldn’t have called it on Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers.

by LedTexan on Nov 28, 2011 8:04 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah the grounding was pure BS>

I see that happen in every game I watch.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Nov 28, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions

Brady had a grounding call last week in fact. I think it was easily defensible.

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by Stash Musial on Nov 28, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions

They called grounding on Brady?

Instead of making a new Brady rule?

Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!

by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 28, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions

Wreck'd

So many I could quote but won’t. I will just read them again

The Texan Floater, you wanna flush it but you can't.
Wade Aid Is the Best Drink in the League.
Whitest, I mean Best Front Seven in Football.

by WreckNTexan on Nov 28, 2011 12:28 PM CST reply actions

ok so our D is ranked 1 by yards and 2nd by points

where do the advanced metrics have us at?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Nov 28, 2011 12:29 PM CST reply actions

27

by Bobbythegreat on Nov 28, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions

Football Outsiders won't update until Tuesday afternoon

but Advanced NFL Stats has us 2nd in Defensive EPA, 8th in Defensive WPA, and second in Success Rate.

by Vega on Nov 28, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions

Reports have recently surfaced that T.J. Yates did not fly back from Jacksonville with the rest of the team, but was instead packaged in a crate with foam peanuts and slowly driven back to Houston with a police escort.
/blockquote>

Read this and smiled. Thought about it and chuckled. Thought bot it some more, and had a literal LOL!!

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by Carter Liles on Nov 28, 2011 12:30 PM CST reply actions 3 recs

Problem is he will suffocate like that.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 28, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions

Probably

going to hire body guards for him. No one can get within 10 feet from him without them being tackled.

by Jhua on Nov 28, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions

I guess it is much more manly to be a microbrew beer snob

Nothing says testosterone like comparing attributes of different plant parts.
Whether you like to nurse a finely-crafted IPA, pound a case of Keystones, or joylessly guzzle something without Pain Go Bye-Bye Juice is a matter of individual preference, not a measure of one’s masculinity.

"Fate seemed to be playing a series of extraordinarily unamusing jokes."- George Orwell, 1933, on being a Texans fan.

by Wario Millions on Nov 28, 2011 12:42 PM CST reply actions 5 recs

Nice name.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Nov 28, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions

you missed your newb wreckage

welcome to BRB!

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by Carter Liles on Nov 28, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions

Don't worry, I'll build up a buncha posts before I say anything substantive

So I want have any of my jewels of hillarity dismissed as Noobian chicanery.

"Fate seemed to be playing a series of extraordinarily unamusing jokes."- George Orwell, 1933, on being a Texans fan.

by Wario Millions on Nov 28, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions

Beer is beer

And I will drink any and all of it. That being said- the major brand beers in America do in fact suck balls. Soft and dilutedly palatable in taste, like it’s made for people who don’t really like beer, but want to drink it anyways for whatever reason.

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by RayFinkle1985 on Nov 28, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions

I will not deny being a microbrew or craft brew snob

and in the grand scheme of real life situations and manliness, beer selection clearly has no impact on one’s masculinity.

In the “screwing around and talking shit with the boys” world, though — the world where Miller Light claims to be a manly beer — I stand by my statement.

by Vega on Nov 28, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs

If you have a group of friends like the d-bags in beer commercials,

Your beverage of choice is not your primary concern.
That said, I can appreciate a good beer or take a suitcase of Miller Lite to Pound Town.

"Fate seemed to be playing a series of extraordinarily unamusing jokes."- George Orwell, 1933, on being a Texans fan.

by Wario Millions on Nov 28, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions

Just curious

What brand is the “other” beer? I mean, what beer on Earth could be less manly than Miller Lite? Not a shot at Miller Lite drinkers (or Bud Lite, or Coors Lite, etc.), just consider this a “World’s Tallest Midget” comparison and convinced that Don Draper said “No” to this concept.

Bandwagon fan since Oct. 6, 1999.

by Lone Spot on Nov 28, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions

Absolutely!

Miller Lite is shit, as are most other American “light” beers. I prefer the imports. Specifically ambers and darks.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions

^This

Bandwagon fan since Oct. 6, 1999.

by Lone Spot on Nov 28, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions

BOOM

goes the dynamite. Damn wario!!!

2011 Season is the Reason!!!

by TexanSam on Nov 28, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions

Not sure which direction the Damnation is going, but always nice

to take a stroll down Catchphrase Lane. I must have watched that video 30 times. I got my LOL on majorly.

"Fate seemed to be playing a series of extraordinarily unamusing jokes."- George Orwell, 1933, on being a Texans fan.

by Wario Millions on Nov 28, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions

nice

Name lol

by ArianNation713 on Nov 28, 2011 1:38 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions

Peter King reports...

Rosenfels will be released and signed by Texans.
http://twitter.com/#!/SI_PeterKing/status/141154017408581632

by morecowbell-lesscowboys on Nov 28, 2011 12:57 PM CST reply actions

and NFLN just said it wasn't likely

You gotta love speculation!

What does Adam Schefter say? That dude is money 99% of the time.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions

I'd rather see Carr back than Rosenfels, if it came to that.

by T-Moar on Nov 28, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions

Shut your mouth!

<Shaft!>

Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!

by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 28, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions

Truth be told

if we get to that point, it’s time to give up on the season. I really hope we don’t get to that point.
Also, I believe in TJ. Just saying.

by T-Moar on Nov 28, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions

why would you rather see carr

by jags52982 on Nov 28, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions

Eh, I really don't know

I guess because he’s already beaten Sage out for the job once.
Also, nostalgia. If we’re going to go ahead and start a QB that’s that turrible, I don’t see what advantages Sage gives us over Mittens. And losing with Mittens is just more familiar.

by T-Moar on Nov 28, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions

he never beat sage out of the job

sage had many good games for us

by jags52982 on Nov 28, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions

David Carr started ahead of him in 2006.

I assumed that meant Carr was the better QB.
But above all else, nostalgia. If we’re going to have a losing season, I’d rather have it with Carr than Rosenfels.

by T-Moar on Nov 28, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions

having a losing season is a mathematical impossibility

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by Stash Musial on Nov 28, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions

No, it's technically not.

If we were to win the division at 8-8, and then lose in the first round of the playoffs, we would be 8-9, making this year a losing season.

by T-Moar on Nov 28, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions

The playoffs are considered the post-season

We would still be 8-8 during the regular season, worst case Ontario.

by brightshinies on Nov 28, 2011 7:35 PM CST up reply actions

This just in:

Patriots had an undefeated record, and were not, as has been commonly reported, 18-1.

by Tailgate Andy on Nov 29, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions

You're funny

I always thought regular season records were kept separate from post-season records, the same way individual player stats were. If (and probably when) I’m wrong, I apologize and blame the fact that I follow a team that hasn’t been to the playoffs.

by brightshinies on Nov 30, 2011 1:15 AM CST up reply actions

Sage wasn't given an oppurtunity to beat him out

it was obvious they kept going with carr because of the money he had been given it almos seemed that kubiak had to play him

by jags52982 on Nov 28, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions

Schaub Podcast

Is the earth really necessary?

The Texan Floater, you wanna flush it but you can't.
Wade Aid Is the Best Drink in the League.
Whitest, I mean Best Front Seven in Football.

by WreckNTexan on Nov 28, 2011 1:07 PM CST reply actions

Rec'd...

…because Miller Lite does indeed blow. Lack of taste + more time spent pissing than drinking = beer failure.

Why do you say this to me, when you know I will kill you for it?

by benefactor on Nov 28, 2011 1:07 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

Truth

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions

•Did it seem to anyone else that the takedown of Leinart was borderline "driving the quarterback to the ground"?

Not even borderline – out and out. Mincey took three steps after Leinart released the ball and did the old pile-driver on him. How it didn’t get a call is beyond me.

by Gabmucs on Nov 28, 2011 1:11 PM CST reply actions

Unfortunately,

It was a fairly standard QB Knock down. Not late enough to call late and not rough enough to call rough.

How about I Punch-a-size your face for free! - Rod Farva

by distant_texans_fan on Nov 28, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions

My immediate reaction was the the Jags sure have a lot of cajones calling us a dirty team.

"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli

"If you really want something in life you have to work for it. Now quiet, they're about to announce the lottery numbers." -- Homer Simpson

"There is no rehab for stupid." -- Chris Rock

Never try to baptize a cat.

by texanslady on Nov 28, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions

No kidding

They went out of their way to get some cheap shots in and the refs let them get away with it. Still, I got only one word for them: SCOREBOARD

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions

Yes, it wasn't a late hit, but he did drive him and Leinart has a broken collarbone to prove it

"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster

by Rip Jersey on Nov 28, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions

That second to last bullet point....

Remember that for later. We’re clearly on the same wavelength, Vega.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Nov 28, 2011 1:14 PM CST reply actions

Yep.

“If you feel that T.J. Yates is not much of a step down from Matt Leinart, I think that speaks more to your feelings about Matt Leinart than your feelings about T.J. Yates, and it’s probably not a good thing.”

Absolutely. Leinart was extremely bad. Game manage metaphor all you want, but his touchdown pass was dangerous, he was almost picked off early in the game, and he was going to get Arian Foster 100 catches by the end of the year all on his own. No spine.

“Does anyone else feel like punching the crap out of the guys in those McDonald’s commercials? "

More and more, America seems to be turning to this commercial formula where emasculated guy + product = commercial. Miller Lite and that Dr. Pepper 10 thing seem to play off of that, but do it in a blatantly sexist and stupid way. I’d burn the film of the whole lot of them and tell ad execs to start over.

“What can you say about the Texans’ pass rush? It was clear that by the second half, Blaine Gabbert was taking the snap and looking for the rush. At one point, they showed him walking off the field and he had the look of a beaten man. I loved it.”

You can say it was an anomaly. As much as I loved watching it, Blaine Gabbert is the new David Carr. He belonged on the football field less than Luke McCown. That pretty much says it all.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | Football Outsiders | Battle Red Blog

by riversmccown on Nov 28, 2011 1:55 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

i don't know

at the end of the second quater yates looked pretty good throwing the ball better than leinart did

by jags52982 on Nov 28, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions

There are several people

who have projected him to be a pretty good QB eventually.

by Bobbythegreat on Nov 28, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions

Eventually, yes

Can he do it in a five game stretch before the playoffs? God I hope so.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions

Well, here's an article by our ole buddy, Lombardi

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8248b952/article/texans-better-off-with-yates-not-leinart-more-week-12-notes?module=HP11_cp

Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!

by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 28, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions

While Leinart wasn't exactly lighting things up

What was Lombardi expecting, kubiak wanted to be extra conservative for Leinart

by TheDream34 on Nov 28, 2011 2:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Lombardi?

What the hell is going on out there?

A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving

by Foster Child on Nov 28, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions

polished journalist or covering his bases?

'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert

by chuckiepoo on Nov 28, 2011 7:05 PM CST up reply actions

Looks to me like a bit of both

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Nov 28, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions

I wouldn't necessarily make anything of that

It was nice to see, but it was a two-minute offense — hardly prevalent.

Right now I don’t know if you can really say for sure that the Texans are better off. I’m willing to say that they are on even footing because I didn’t think Leinart was good, but this game was such an anomaly for so many reasons that I’m not sure there is much to be gained from it.

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | Football Outsiders | Battle Red Blog

by riversmccown on Nov 28, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions

Agreed

the next game will tell a whole lot more about what Yates can do for this team this year.

by Bobbythegreat on Nov 28, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions

Yep

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions

im excited about the Yates experiment for a few reasons

1. He has a strong(er) arm. Maybe the debate of the back shoulder fade to Dre in the end zone will finally be answered. Do we not run it bc Schaub cant throw it or bc Kubiak doesnt like it. This combined with his youth might allow Dre to get more deep ball PI opportunites.

2. He can move. Id be willing to make a decent wager that he gets in against the Raiders. I can see him making some things happen with his legs in a playoff game against man coverage.

3. There’s a chance he can do what Schaub excels at – reading defenses and delivering the ball. 67% comp and 2:1 ratio as a Senior. There is zero chance Schaub can do items 1 and 2 on this list.

This isnt a knock on Schaub, but maybe the kid comes in and plays well.

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by Stash Musial on Nov 28, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions

Re: the new David Carr

I said the same thing to my wife several times. Blaine Gabbert has David Carr Syndrome. His reads consist of which lineman or LB will get open first.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions

As much as we're bashing on testosterone fueled commercials

I have to say I had a good laugh at the Dr. Pepper 10 (?) commercial. It’s much more thorough and to the point by downright exclaiming that “It’s not for women”.

by brightshinies on Nov 28, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions

I can tell you, I am not a soda drinker and that ad does not make me want to be one.

"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster

by Rip Jersey on Nov 29, 2011 7:03 AM CST up reply actions

i'm not a soda drinker and i don't think any commercials make me want one

by jags52982 on Nov 29, 2011 9:47 AM CST up reply actions

Not saying I crave a soda

Just saying I know how to laugh at dumb things sometimes

by brightshinies on Nov 30, 2011 1:09 AM CST up reply actions

Vega, you and I must have mindmelded before you wrote this piece

Yep, and those McDonald’s commercials; I think are just adding to the total demasculinization of America…..

"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster

by Rip Jersey on Nov 28, 2011 2:09 PM CST reply actions

What McDonald's commercial are we talking about here?

There always seems to be 20 different ones airing at any said point in time.

by brightshinies on Nov 28, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions

I assumed it was the one with the guy trying to come up with an answer to the pet names

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | Football Outsiders | Battle Red Blog

by riversmccown on Nov 28, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions

That one,

and the one with the moronic dude facebooking his breakfast choice while sitting and eating. Which is something that many facebook-fanatic females love to do(as in, post the most mundane events in their day, as if I truly care whether or not somebody got their cuticles trimmed today).

"The best thing about being a cynic......is that you are never surprised." ~Anonymous

"Don't get yourself a bunch of tricky plays.......get yourself a bunch of tricky players." `Paul "Bear" Bryant

by Christopher H on Nov 28, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions

had a delicious belgian waffle this morning!!! :D

oh, sorry, wrong website.

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by Carter Liles on Nov 28, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions

I had that coming.

"The best thing about being a cynic......is that you are never surprised." ~Anonymous

"Don't get yourself a bunch of tricky plays.......get yourself a bunch of tricky players." `Paul "Bear" Bryant

by Christopher H on Nov 28, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions

Did somebody say WAFFLES!?

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 28, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

This is great

by brightshinies on Nov 28, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions

Society has gone to shit

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions

by brightshinies on Nov 28, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs

HA!

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions

Nothing like a good frat party...

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 28, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions

The McDonald's ones are soooo bad.

Not that any amount of advertising can make their ho-hum-tasting menu seem appealing.

"The best thing about being a cynic......is that you are never surprised." ~Anonymous

"Don't get yourself a bunch of tricky plays.......get yourself a bunch of tricky players." `Paul "Bear" Bryant

by Christopher H on Nov 28, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions

That's because masculinity...

…is evil and is the source of all that is bad in our society and must be mocked out of existence so that only whiny emo-boys remain.

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 28, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions

Twilight FTW

"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce

by Mumford on Nov 28, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions

DIE!

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions

Fuck the hipsters!

Give me steak, beer, rifles, and football! Oh yeah, and porn!

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Advertising Major here

I agree that those commercials are annoying, but if you can remember the ad and the product/company, then it did part of it’s job. Purchasing the product is the other part.

On the other hand, how many times do we enjoy a commercial but can’t recall the product or company?

With that being said; I frigg’n hate those McDonald’s commercials.

Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!

by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 28, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions

Is there sort of a push to make commercials annoying

Solely because the kind of people who don’t like them aren’t likely to buy the product anyway?

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | Football Outsiders | Battle Red Blog

by riversmccown on Nov 28, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions

Large companies want their names to be heard over and over and over again

and want it pounded in your head.
It’s called Top of Mind awareness. If I said what soda do you want? What is the first brand that pops in your head? And if I didn’t have that brand, what is the second? Company’s want that real estate on the top of your mind.

Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!

by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 28, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions

"Top of Mind awareness"

Am I the only one that thinks we’ve gone WAY too far in psycho analyzing and manipulating the public in the name of the all mighty dollar?

The harder someone tries to sell me something, the less likely I am to buy it.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions

True, but the all mighty dollar what makes the world spin, unfortunatly

But Top of mind awareness is not only in advertising. It can work in politics, career, social networking…etc. unfortunately

Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!

by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 28, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions

It has worked in all of those areas

And I can’t say I like what I see.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions

Something "working" in social networking

Is kind of like having a manly lite beer

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Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell

by Barryfromtexas on Nov 28, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions

My wife and I have come to the conclusion...

…that if the commercial doesn’t have an animal of some sort in it, the odds of it not sucking are very small.

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 28, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions

Animals, babies, and old people

are usually the most effective elements of an ad. Also, hot people, depending on the product.

Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!

by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 28, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions

Speaking of animals and I am an animal-lover

But, the continual humanizing of animals is a pet-peeve of mine. Animals can’t talk and reason like humans. They are smart, in verying degrees, don’t get me wrong. But, they can’t argue and state opinions.

"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster

by Rip Jersey on Nov 28, 2011 5:51 PM CST up reply actions

Uh... hello?

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 28, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions

how dare he?

/rubs Dillo’s belly…

'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert

by chuckiepoo on Nov 28, 2011 7:10 PM CST up reply actions

/thumper foot

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 28, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions

I can haz cheezburger?

by Tailgate Andy on Nov 29, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions

St. Arnold's Root Beer.

Then maybe Sprite?

(Much like T.J. Yates’ second-half performance, I am an anomaly in this discussion as someone who rarely drinks soda.)

- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | Football Outsiders | Battle Red Blog

by riversmccown on Nov 28, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions

St. Arnold's Root Beer is excellent.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 28, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions

I've never heard of it...

What is this intriguing elixir of which you speak?
I’ve had some fine “house brewed” sodas at Big Buck Brewery (Root Beer, Black Cherry, and Cream Sodas) served in frosted mugs… but never heard of St. Arnold’s…
Retail preference is IBC Cream Soda and Root Beers, but I only allow myself to have them once a year.

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 28, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions

St. Arnolds Root Beer started out as a way to give kids taking the brewery tour with their parents something to taste.

It is made with Imperial Sugar and is a very very smooth root beer. They use the same bottles as their beers. A lot of Krogers around here carry it, and some restaurants and other places.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 28, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions

I'll have to see if it is available in Austin...

Thanks.

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 29, 2011 7:40 AM CST up reply actions

I think AT&T's mLife campaign sold a lot of life insurance.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 28, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions

I swore I will NEVER shop at Kohl's after their Black Friday Add

Where they took the Friday song and made an advertisement out of it.

"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce

by Mumford on Nov 28, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions

The Gieco commercial with Orakpo and that caveman

makes me want to kill puppies.

Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!

by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 28, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

orakpo and the cavemn are the worst, although mcdonalds and miller lite are closing the gap

due to repitition… i was saying yesterday its almost as if they pick 5-7 of the worst commercials out there and play them on repeat during nfl games… still not even close to watching the nba playoffs on tnt and pretty much having to hang out with franklin and bash for 4 hours a night… rough

if only there were 22 sage rosenfels out there

by gm.in.waiting on Nov 28, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions

None of them are nearly as bad

as NAPA know-how was during march madness.

by T-Moar on Nov 28, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

You just made me throw up.

those are annoying, yet you remembered the company.

Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!

by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 28, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions

Yep.

I still have that god-damned song stuck in my head.

by T-Moar on Nov 28, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions

LOL

NAPA now owns a small real estate in your brain.

Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!

by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 28, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions

Small?

They own a fucking antebellum-style plantation. Slaves and all.

by T-Moar on Nov 28, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs

HAHAHAHA

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by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions

This may get me some possibly well deserved abuse

but when i watch stream i love the US adverts, they’re so much better and funnier, in the main, than english ones

by EnglishTexan on Nov 28, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions

Damning with faint praise?

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 28, 2011 6:17 PM CST up reply actions

Some of those ads from across the pond are pretty good...

…kinda’ like that terrorist in the VW ad. Priceless.

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 28, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions

I think that was Germany though

not England, no way that’d get put on English TV, too politically incorrect (the advert, not England haha)

by EnglishTexan on Nov 29, 2011 5:41 AM CST up reply actions

Now that you mention it I believe you are correct.

Speaking of which, Germany is kinda’ overdue for their semi-centennial ass-whipping… That whole Euro thing must be a real distraction to their military build-up. [just kidding]

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 29, 2011 7:43 AM CST up reply actions

The worst are the car commercials

Most of them don’t even say anything about the product any more! They just show you how cool it would look to park your Jeep on top of a mountain, or drive a sedan at high speeds on a super winding, wet road that nobody else ever seems to populate. It’s obvious they’re targeting the “shiny object” part of the brain, just like you do with children.

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by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions

what about the Chrysler/Eminem advert

I think that’s a brilliant advert haha

by EnglishTexan on Nov 28, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions

I actually liked this one when it came out.

Mainly because it had a clear message.

But then they released like 10 or so different spinoffs and I forget what it’s about.

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by riversmccown on Nov 28, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions

Don't get me wrong

Some are flashy and very well done, but for the most part they usually tell you nothing useful about the vehicle other than it looks really cool, it’s fun to drive on curvy roads where traffic and police officers don’t exist, or it can pull something heavy.

Most of the time the looking cool part hooks the suckers anyway, but is it too much to ask for a little intellectual honesty if they’re going to try and pitch me something? I hate that the ads are always geared to target the least common denominator……the sheep. Then again, they’re the most likely to waste their money on junk anyways so there ya go.

/rant

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 8:11 PM CST up reply actions

Do you really expect them to fill a commercial with vehicle specs?

That wouldn’t be very entertaining. The ad is more or less just there to make you aware of the vehicle’s existence. You have to look into the car for yourself.

by T-Moar on Nov 28, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions

Thats because there isn't any difference between any of the cars anymore

If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan

by professortex on Nov 28, 2011 8:29 PM CST up reply actions

well im just going to say i kind of like the orakpo commercials

and i wont be expecting you at the pancake social.

PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!! update - .341/.430/.621!!!!
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by Stash Musial on Nov 28, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions

HEY HEY HEY!!!

Let’s not get carried away!!!
/grabs red phone…
“Hello? Yeah, we’ve got another possible here…”
/backs into corner
/growls

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 28, 2011 4:56 PM CST up reply actions

That was a terrific movie

"Slammed that hoe on the counter like I just got 35 on the domino table!!"
Sherrod Harris

by AlDe2356 on Nov 29, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions

And the Best Buy commercials too

Trying to blackball Santa Clause my azz.

If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan

by professortex on Nov 28, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions

Caption Rec!

funny shit

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 2:42 PM CST reply actions

Annoyance Factor:

Someone who has yesterdays game recorded: Go back and listen to the first 15 minutes and take a shot every time the announcer says “And rightfully so.” Then try not to kill yourself.

Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!

by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 28, 2011 2:54 PM CST reply actions

here's a drinking game.

drink everytime you hear a texan (or reporter that covers the texans for that matter) say “obviously.” if shit was so obvious, why make it more obvious by using the word obvious?? sheesh.

Michael: The feeling that you're feeling is what many of us call...a feeling.
Gob: It's not like envy, or even hungry...

by chrisd21 on Nov 28, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions

or

for how many times they said “six foot six.” Blech.

It's tragically malicious!

by Gerbillogic on Nov 28, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions

Or

Take a shot every time some dumbass “commentator” says “explosive”. I say you die of alcohol poisoning before 4 pm rolls around.

A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving

by Foster Child on Nov 28, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions

Since everything happens for a reason

Whats the reason for all of these injuries? I think, maybe just maybe, we are about to go on the greatest run of all time and do the unthinkable.

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by Antho10000 on Nov 28, 2011 3:27 PM CST reply actions

If that happens

Then Kubiak deserves Coach of the Year Honors, and a BJ from Scarlett Johanson.

Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!

by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 28, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

or if he passes on the latter

I will gladly sacrifice myself in his stead.

It's tragically malicious!

by Gerbillogic on Nov 28, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions

That's just you... bein' a "giver" and taking one for the team...

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 28, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions

Yup, that's me!

It's tragically malicious!

by Gerbillogic on Nov 28, 2011 6:18 PM CST up reply actions

You must really

Like you some Kubes

"Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."

by CTacc on Nov 28, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions

Um, I said "his" not "her"

I don’t like Kubes that much. … yet.

It's tragically malicious!

by Gerbillogic on Nov 28, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions

If they win a playoff game...

…I might have some “Mississippi Leg-Hound” urges…

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 28, 2011 9:50 PM CST up reply actions

I think as it stands he deserves those honors

What other coach can have so many key pieces go down and still keep the train on the tracks?

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by Antho10000 on Nov 28, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions

McCarthy could have a 500k bonus for 16-0

that could throw a wrench in the scarlett jo daydreams.

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by Stash Musial on Nov 28, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions

There is balance in nature

and for the Texans to have so many injuries it means that another team is having very few.

A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving

by Foster Child on Nov 28, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions

But we've had them for 10 years, dammit...

When does our regression to the mean start?

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 28, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions

I think this speaks to conditioning more than anything.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Nov 28, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions

Kubiak should be extended as soon as the seasons over

by BC5 on Nov 28, 2011 3:48 PM CST reply actions

ugh reply fail

by BC5 on Nov 28, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions

Extended...

…by Scarlett Johansson?

by T-Moar on Nov 28, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

She is very effective at extending men

"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce

by Mumford on Nov 28, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions

I have something to say about TJ.

This dude is at practice everyday playing against the number 1 Defense day in and day out. I think we can pull this off. Also TJ years at NC he had Hakeem Nicks, Dwight Jones, and Greg Little. He made it through all that scandal stuff so dude is ready i think.

by southpaw70 on Nov 28, 2011 4:02 PM CST reply actions

Pancakes on NFLN right now confirming Leinart has broken collar bone

God I hate that guy. Anyone else notice his ridiculous amount of eye blinking?

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 4:05 PM CST reply actions

His eyelids must weigh about 5 lbs a piece

Gravity is a bitch.

"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce

by Mumford on Nov 28, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs

lol

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Nov 28, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions

I noticed he looked like a big fat white Mr Miyagi

by Toolshed1 on Nov 28, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions

Wow... kinda' harshin' on Mr. Miyagi, no?

Although it would be funny to see Pancakes in a video doing “Syrup on…. Syrup off…. Syrup on… Syrup off…”

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 28, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs

Bwaha. Ha. Hahaha.....haha...ha. Nice!

It's tragically malicious!

by Gerbillogic on Nov 28, 2011 6:20 PM CST up reply actions

Prediction for next week.

TJ Yates breaks his Lisfranc, collarbone and tears his pec on the first play from scrimmage.

by willieboyd on Nov 28, 2011 7:23 PM CST reply actions

BANNED!

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 28, 2011 7:24 PM CST up reply actions

I gotta say

I think Kubes is taking second looks at Schaub and wondering if he can convince him to play in a boot.

If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan

by professortex on Nov 28, 2011 8:07 PM CST reply actions

Too late. :(

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 28, 2011 8:10 PM CST up reply actions

He's on IR.

That’s literally not possible. Plus, he’s 2 days away from surgery.

by T-Moar on Nov 28, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions

Throw a "13" jersey on him and drag him out there...

Dan Dierdorf would spend the entire game in rapt amazement at the bad luck of a SECOND Texans QB having a foot injury, marveling aloud about how similar TJ’s throwing motion is to Teh Schaub, and pulling for the other team to play up to their “potential”. Simultaneously, he would be recounting any possible good luck factor that has gone the Texans way this season, ignoring ALL of the bad breaks they have suffered and wondering aloud why Michigan isn’t ranked number one in the BCS.
He’d recount in great detail what good friends he is with Noel Dreesen, Owen Daniel, Adrian Foster, Kevin Walters and Jacoby Ford while bloviating about how important the offensive line is to the game of football.

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana

by DilloTex on Nov 28, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell

by Barryfromtexas on Nov 28, 2011 10:46 PM CST reply actions