2DH: On Playoffs, NFL And Otherwise
You can always count on two things to really ramp up immediately following Thanksgiving: Christmas shopping (with all its attendant aspects, such as commercials, sales, and terrible drivers making the two-mile radius around every mall and shopping center unbearable to navigate) and complaining about the BCS. The former does not really concern me --- we do most of our shopping online, and my wife tackles 99% of the remaining in-store shopping.
The BCS complaining, however, does concern me, inasmuch as all the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments always focuses on the flaws with the current system without proposing a viable solution. Merely screaming, "Rematches are stupid!" and "They should scrap the bowls and have a real playoff!" helps nothing; we all agree that rematches are inherently odd, but that's the system we're playing under, and there's no chance that the bowls are going to be scrapped because of how much money they make for the NCAA and its legion of corporate overlords.
No, what we need is a solution that uses the bowls, but still features something approximating a playoff system, all without adding too many more games or weeks to the NCAA football schedule. After the jump, I lay out my version of the solution.
So, first, the nuts and bolts of it. We add one bowl game to the existing four BCS games. My Big Ten roots suggest the Citrus Bowl, but even I realize that it's played in a friggin' toilet, so I'll go with the Cotton Bowl for the purposes of this example. Each year, one bowl will host the national championship game, two will host semi-final games, and two will host quarterfinal games. The following year, the bowl that hosted the NCG drops down to host a quarterfinal game, and every other bowl slides up one spot. So, if the Rose and Cotton hosted quarterfinals, the Fiesta and Orange hosted semis, and the Sugar hosted the NCG this year, next year, the Sugar and Cotton would host quarters, Rose and Fiesta would host semis, and Orange would host NCG. The following year, Orange and Sugar host quarters, Rose and Cotton host semis, and Fiesta hosts NCG. Got it? Good.
Next, we take six teams (until something better comes along, the Top 6 teams in the BCS rankings), and only undefeated teams are automatic qualifiers. If they are already in the Top 6, an undefeated team gets seeded where it is currently ranked; if not in the Top 6, the undefeated team gets the six seed and the #6 ranked team gets bumped. (If two undefeated teams are somehow outside the Top 6, ranked teams 5 and 6 both get bumped and seeding of the undefeateds in slots five and six is based on Strength of Schedule).
The #1 and #2 ranked teams get a bye, #3 plays #6, and #4 plays #5. Wherever possible, geographic matches are used to determine which quarterfinal matchups are played in which bowls. #1 then plays the lowest-ranked winner the following week, while #2 plays the highest-ranked winner. Winners of the semifinal games meet the following week in the NCG. Simple enough, no?
Assuming LSU, Va Tech, and Houston win their CCGs and Oklahoma State beats the Dirt Burglars, if this system were in place this year, your games would look like this:
January 1:
Houston v. Oklahoma State in the Cotton Bowl
Va Tech v. Stanford in the Rose Bowl
January 8:
Hou or VT/Stan winner v. LSU in the Fiesta Bowl
OSU or VT/Stan winner v. Alabama in the Orange Bowl
January 15:
Fiesta winner v. Orange winner in the Sugar Bowl
You've got two SEC teams, an ACC team, a Pac-12 team, a C-USA team, and a Big 12 team represented in this playoff. No, you don't have the Pac-12 Champ, which is somewhat irritating, considering Oregon beat Stanford, but this system is so much better than the current setup that such an omission seems like a small price to pay.
Now, the counter-argument to this is that there are currently 10 BCS slots, so you're cutting down by 4, which has a negative impact on schools that would otherwise get into one of these games based solely on AQ status. To that, I say, "So what?" Why should the Big East get an automatic BCS game when (a) that conference is no better than the Mountain West and (b) removing that AQ slot would allow us to have a real playoff while keeping the bowl system?
4.
Sacks for Connor Barwin on Sunday, a single-game record for your Houston Texans. The previous record was 3.5 by Mario Williams on December 13, 2007, against the Denver Broncos. The NFL record, of course, is seven by the late Derrick Thomas against the Seahawks in 1990. Fun fact: not long after that game, Thomas was asked who his favorite non-athlete was. His answer? Dave Krieg.
3.
Number of other players with 4 sacks in a game this season: DeMarcus Ware, Andre Carter, and Kamerion Wimbley. Only Ware's came in a loss, however.
7.
Sacks by the Houston Texans on Sunday, tying a single-game record for the team previously set against the Rams in 2005. The next-highest total overall is 6 against the Cardinals in 2005. The next-highest total under Kubiak is 5, achieved five times: Pittsburgh in 2011, Baltimore in 2010, Denver in 2007, Miami in 2006, Oakland in 2006. Also, in case you were curious, the most sacks allowed by the Texans in a game is 9 against the Chargers in 2002. And the NFL record for sacks in a game is 12, accomplished most recently by the Giants against the Eagles in 2007.
6.
Sacks for Brooks Reed, a Texans rookie record. The previous record, 5.5, was held by Tim's homeboy, Amobi Okoye. The NFL record for sacks by a rookie is 14.5 by Jevon Kearse in 1999.
5.
Consecutive games with a sack for the Houston Texans. The team record for consecutive games with a sack is 6 by Mario Williams from Week 11 through Week 16 of 2007.
37.
The Texans team record for sacks in a season, set in 2005. The 2011 Texans have already notched 35.
4.
Sacks by Antonio Smith prior to Mario Williams' season-ending injury. Since the injury, Smith has notched .5 sack, coming less than one quarter after Williams went down. Since then? Nada.
1.
Sacks by J.J. Watt prior to Williams' injury. Since then, he has 3.5, including 2.0 against Jacksonville.
She's Dressed In Yellow, She Says "Hello."
I was listening to Pandora the other day when Young MC's seminal 1989 hit "Bust A Move" came on. Every time I hear this song --- which is far more often that I probably care to admit --- I'm struck by the absurdity of the penultimate verse, which goes:
Your best friend, Harry, has a a brother, Larry /
In five days from now, he's gonna marry /
He's hopin' you can make it there if you can /
'Cause in the ceremony, you'll be the best man /
You say "neato," check your libido /
And roll to the church in your new tuxedo /
The bride walks down just to start the weddin' /
And there's one more girl you won't be gettin'
First of all, why in the world would your best friend's brother ask you to be his best man? I mean, does he not have his own best friend? Shouldn't he ask his brother, rather than his brother's buddy? Also, who the hell gives but five days' notice to the best man?
5.
Consecutive games holding the opposition under 20 points and under 200 yards passing.
10.
Consecutive games in which the Texans' defense has snagged at least one interception. Dating back to last season, the defense has picked off a pass in 13 of the past 14 games, with the season opener against the Colts being the lone exception.
3.
Interceptions needed by Johnathan Joseph to tie Marcus Coleman for the most in a season in Texans history. Irritatingly, JoJo would need only 2 to tie Coleman had the late INT against the Steelers not been negated by a ridiculous roughing-the-passer call on J.J. Watt.
4,293; 2,813; 1,480.
Total yards, passing yards, and rushing yards that your Houston Texans' defense is on pace to allow in 2011. The current records for each are 5,198 total yards (2009), 3,423 passing yards (2008), and 1,711 rushing yards (2009). For the sake of comparison, the 1985 Bears allowed 4,135 total yards, 2,816 passing yards, and 1,319 rushing yards. The 2000 Baltimore Ravens: 3,967 total, 2,997 passing, and 970 (!) rushing.
7-4.
The 2000 Ravens' record through 11 games. While some will be quick to point to the Ravens' allowing only 10.3 points per game, while the Texans are allowing 16.3, it's definitely worth noting that the teams' scoring differentials are almost identical (10.5 for Baltimore, 10.4 for Houston).
180.8 YDS, 1.5 TD, 1.3 INT.
Trent Dilfer's average line as a starter for the 2000 Ravens. In 8 regular season starts, Dilfer went 7-1, but had only three games with more TDs than INTs, only one game with zero INTs, and only one game with over 250 yards passing. More importantly, during the Ravens' playoff run, Dilfer never cracked 200 passing yards, averaged just over 147 passing yards per game, and never threw more than 1 TD in any playoff game.
Bizarre 1980s Commercial Starring Bruce Willis That I Felt Obliged To Include In This Hangover Post.
Unnecessary Archer Quote.
"You can't have a flashback with a flashforward in it. That's just . . .bad writing."
518.
Rushing yards needed by Arian Foster to pass Domanick Williams (nee Davis) for first all-time in Texans history. At his current pace of 96.5 yards per game since coming back from the early season injury, he would come up about 35 yards short. Of course, while two of the remaining opponents rank in the top 10 in run defense (Atlanta and Cincinnati), the other three are pretty bad (Tennessee -- 22nd, Carolina --28th, and Indy -- 31st).
24.
NFL players with more rushing TDs than Chris Johnson in 2011.
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10 Worst Album Titles Ever.
1. Filter -- "Title of Record"
2. Mew -- "No More Stories Are Told Today I'm Sorry They Washed Away No More Stores the World Is Grey I'm Tired Let's Wash Away"
3. Guns N' Roses -- "The Spaghetti Incident?"
4. Limp Bizkit -- "Chocolate Starfish and the Hotdog Flavored Water"
5. Fiona Apple -- "When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King What He Knows Throws the Blows When He Goes to the Fight and He'll Win the Whole Thing 'Fore He Enters the Ring There's No Body to Batter When Your Mind Is Your Might So When You Go Solo, You Hold Your Own Hand and Remember That Depth Is the Greatest of Heights and If You Know Where You Stand, Then You'll Know Where to Land and If You Fall It Won't Matter, Cuz You Know That You're Right"
6. Underworld -- "dubnobasswithmyheadman"
7. Charlotte Church -- "Tissues and Issues"
8. Coldplay -- "Viva La Vida Or Death And All His Friends"
9. Toby Keith -- "Shock'n Y'all"
10. Public Enemy -- "Muse Sick-N-Hour Message"
6.
T.J. Yates' all-time ranking in total passing yards among Texans quarterbacks. With 66 yards, he will pass the inimitable Dave Ragone for 5th all-time.
7.
Matt Leinart's all-time ranking in total passing yards among Texans quarterbacks.
Lightnin'.
A few times over the past 48 hours, I've heard or read that T.J. Yates' mobility gives the Texans something that they did not have with Matt Schaub or Matt Leinart. I don't really know whether this is true, but I do know that the tangible evidence would seem to dispute it. For instance, Yates ran a 5.06 40 at the Combine (though he apparently had some unofficial 40s in the sub-4.9 range prior to the Combine). Schaub ran a 5.04, while Leinart turned in a 4.90.
Additionally, keeping in mind that sacks count as negative rushing yards in college, the college rushing numbers for all three still don't tilt much in Yates' favor.
Now, it very well could be that Yates is more mobile than the other two guys. I certainly hope that's the case, and I will relish every first-down scramble if so. But, still, I'm going to have to see something before I buy the idea outright.
4.
Division wins by the Houston Texans, marking only the second time in team history that they've won that many in the AFC South. They've never won 5, but that will be taken care of the next time they face Indy.
1171.2
Rushing yards that Arian Foster is on pace for in 2011, despite missing all or part of three games with an injury.
1035.6
Rushing yards that Ben Tate is on pace for in 2011, despite missing all or part of three games with an injury.
1016.7
Rushing yards that Chris Johnson is on pace for in 2011, though he has missed zero games.
1.
Possible scenarios by which the Titans would get into the playoffs while having the same record as the Texans. To wit:
Houston must lose to Indy, Cincinnati, and Tennessee and must beat Atlanta and Carolina.
Tennessee must lose to Buffalo and defeat Houston, Jacksonville, Indy, and New Orleans.
If all that happens, they will both finish 10-6, 1-1 head to head, with an 8-4 record vs. Common opponents, and a 7-5 conference record. The 5th tiebreaker [strength of victory] would decide it.
As it stands now, of course, the Texans have a two-game lead over the BESFs, with five games left to play. Outside of the above scenario, this means that the Titans have to make up 3 games in those 5. It's an uphill battle to say the least.
Meth Is A Helluva Drug.
Recalling what you just learned in the previous item, see if you can spot the flaws in this statement:
If they beat the Colts
Houston would win based on record in the division. If the Colts win and we win against the Colts, Jags and Texans we’d own the primary tiebreaker.
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by August West on Nov 28, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Now, as you know, the "primary tiebreaker" is head-to-head record, which, in this scenario would be split 1-1. So August, all-knowing oracle of the NFL that he may claim to be, is incorrect.
On top of that, the Texans are currently 4-0 in the division. Losses to the Colts (ha!) and Titans would make the Texans 4-2 in the division. The Titans are 1-2 in the division. Wins over the Texans, Jaguars, and Colts would make them . . . wait for it . . . 4-2 in the division. So they would not win under the second tiebreaker either.
The third tiebreaker is W-L record in common games. Currently, the Texans are 5-1 and the Titans are 3-2 against common opponents. In the above scenario, for the teams to finish with the same record, the Texans would have to lose to Tennessee, Indy, and one of Atlanta, Carolina, and Cincinnati. If the Titans could beat the Saints, then the common records would be tied at 6-3.
The fourth tiebreaker is AFC record. Currently, the Texans are 7-2 and the Titans are 4-4. Tack on two more losses for the Texans in August's scenario, and give the Titans three more wins, and we're at 7-4 for both teams. The remaining AFC games are Cincinnati playing Houston and Buffalo playing Tennessee. A win here for Tennessee, plus a Houston loss, means that they would own this tiebreaker in theory. But here's the rub: for the teams to be tied at all, a win at Buffalo would mean that the Titans had to also lose to either Indy, Jax, Houston, or NOLA. In any of those scenarios, you wouldn't get to this fourth tiebreaker because Tennessee would be worse in common game (or in head-to-head). Which is to say, if Tennessee wins out and Houston wins three games (i.e., requiring the consideration of tiebreakers), then this tiebreaker cannot help them.
Which, in turn, brings us back to the Texans Bull Blog post, where there is one --- and only one --- scenario for the Titans to get into the playoffs with the same record as the Texans. But, hey, why should one of the MCM writers worry about something as trivial as facts when describing hypothetical outcomes?
Random '90s Rap Video Song.
1.
Playoff seed that your Houston Texans would hold if the playoffs were to start right now. It breaks down like this:
1. Houston 8-3 AFC South Champ (Wins tie-break over New England and Baltimore based on best winning percentage in conference games (7-1 versus 6-2)).
2. New England 8-3 AFC East Champ (Wins tie-break over Baltimore based on best winning percentage in conference games (6-2 versus 5-2)).
3. Baltimore 8-3 AFC North Champ (Wins tie-break over Pittsburgh based on head-to-head record).
4. Oakland 7-4 AFC West Champ
5. Pittsburgh 7-3 Wild Card
6. Cincinnati 7-4 Wild Card
Douchebag Who Spent All Of The Nebraska-Michigan Game Dogging Denard Robinson And Then --- Coincidentally, I'm Sure --- Accepted A Job With Ohio State.
Smarmy-looking jackwagon. I hope Luke Fickell snaps and beats you with a tubesock full of woodscrews.
/vitriol
Marijuana Pepsi Sawyer Inexplicable Decision Of The Week.
[Author's note: It's a sad day in Two-Day Hangover Land. It seems that Marijuana Pepsi Sawyer has gotten married and changed the name on her public profile to the much more professional sounding, "Marijuana Sawyer-Clardy." Dang. Thankfully, we have a long memory around here, at least when it comes to stuff like this, so we'll just forge ahead and pretend like nothing has changed.]
Much like the decision to name your daughter "Marijuana Pepsi," Jack Del Rio's decision NOT to call a timeout on 4th & 2 with the game on the line was absolutely puzzling. They had a time-out in their pocket and were at the Texans' 40-yard line, needing a TD to tie the game. The series to that point had gone:
- 1-10. Completed pass for 5 yards.
- 2-5. Incomplete.
- 3-5. Completed pass for 21 yards.
- 1-10. Completed pass for -4 yards.
- 2-14. Sack for loss of 13 yards.
- 3-27. Completed pass for 25 yards.
You've got 4th and 2, and you've already completed big passes twice. More importantly, you've got Maurice Jones-Drew averaging 5.5 yards/carry. Calling a timeout and coming up with a play --- even a rushing play --- that gives you a good chance of getting a first down and having multiple shots at the endzone just seems like a no-brainer there. Yet, Del Rio did not go that route. Instead, he had Luke McCown hurry to the line and force a throw to Mike Thomas that was broken up by Brice McCain.
And, now, Jack Del Rio is unemployed.
TXT MSGS Of The Week.
Shake, prior to the game.
We all must have faith. Because I just saw that Leinart is sporting a porn-stache that cannot lose. Ever.
Displaced Texan, following the Leinart injury.
I feel like we're in Vegas, won $1000 at blackjack, and have to decided to put it all on red and spin the f%&king wheel.
I'm driving to Mississippi to kill Brett Favre and spare us from the next week of bullshit. Remember me.
Tim.
I hope the Texans cut J-Jo this offseason, just so they can re-sign him to a deal that's worth one billion dollars guaranteed.
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Considered that. . .
but I don’t think it’s possible.
I have not yet begun to defile myself.
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Teams would be hugely incentivized to load up their schedule with weaksauce teams. The Alabama and LSUs of the world would have to face each other every year, while you get a Hawaii or a Houston every once in a while bunching these guys out.
I think your proposal is pretty good, and I think 6 undefeated teams is highly unlikely, but it could happen, and it would certainly be more likely if teams were faced with this sort of playoff structure.
Teams would be hugely incentivized to load up their schedule with weaksauce teams.
this.
Yates - our current game manager.
how?
your have 9-10 games already decided based on conference play. just make it to where the teams have to schedule 2 opponents that were in last year’s final top 25. you get to have on cupcake opponent just because fuck it.
- Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
"It's either gonna make you a man or a coward. One of the two. I'm a be a man. I ain't never seen a coward, heard a coward, coward not in ma vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Nov 29, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah.
You only get a few cupcake games as it is. Either eliminate the ability to schedule non-FBS opponents or use NSN’s suggestion. There are plenty of ways to limit the cupcakes.
I have not yet begun to defile myself.
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The easiest way for your plan to work is:
Limit what an undefeated record can get you. Meaning, you have to be in the BCS top 10 for your undefeated record to matter. UofH’s awful 111th ranked schedule is showing you can do it if you slaughter teams
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easiest way to solve the rankings?
don’t rank anyone until week 8. go strictly by win loss record based on strength of schedule. who gives a shit if florida or a&m was supposed to be top 5. if they are 3-8 then they are a 3—8 team. it’s stupid how #1 can lose to an unranked team yet only drop 3 spots because of the pre-season ranking.
/end rant
- Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
"It's either gonna make you a man or a coward. One of the two. I'm a be a man. I ain't never seen a coward, heard a coward, coward not in ma vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Nov 29, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
its not like
you’re gonna tell ESPN or USA Today they can’t run a poll.
Yates - our current game manager.
The BCS does
But it’s influenced by polls which rank from pre-season to week 8.
If you’re thought to be a good team, you have an advantage.and if you beat projected good teams then you receive a boost.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Bowl games have this in place
A team must get 6 wins to be bowl eligible…but they’re only allowed to count a win over an FCS opponent as one of those six wins once every two years.
You could easily make a rule stating what you suggest. No FCS schools allowed on your schedule or you’re disqualified.
"Lord, beer me strength."
ok
so FBS schools are all in place though?
I can find cupcakes in the FBS if that’s my criteria. But it doesn’t change the fact that I’m better off scheduling the weakest non-conference schedule possible.
Yates - our current game manager.
Texas State
is moving to FBS goin to the WAC!
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wooo!
bobcatsss! (thats where I amm!)
With the injuries to Quarterbacks Matt Schaub, and Matt Leinart, the entire fate of the Houston Texans 2011 season rest on the right arm of.... T.J Yates????
Oh boy...
by Carter Liles on Nov 29, 2011 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
Have a brother there
and another who will be an alum in about 2 weeks finishing his student teaching.
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Everybody
plays 4-6 non conference games, for starters.
Its not possible to force teams to schedule anyone. Boise St. said we’ll play anyone anywhere, but nobody wanted to play them. After they beat GA in the state of Georgia, you see why.
And if I’m undefeated I get an automatic bid, and I’m Houston, my next years 4 non-conference games are gonna be real easy. It makes the most sense.
Yates - our current game manager.
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by riversmccown on Nov 29, 2011 2:17 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
for my all-time favorite South Park line.
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arent we 7-2 not 7-1
lost to OAK and BAL
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You are correct.
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A) I take back everything negative I said about Von Miller pre-draft
He will break Jevon’s rookie record. He’ll be the DROY. He’s been fantastic and we would’ve been lucky if he fell to #11.
B) Shouldn’t be a national champion without winning your conference. I dunno….something about that diminishes the conference’s importance to me. What’s the point?
C) Like always, this never disappoints.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Yeah, but wild cards have to go the distance (no byes and no home field advantage in most cases)
I mean, if you wanted to go 8 teams…..6 best conference champions plus two wild cards……or 16 (11 D1 conference champs and 5 wild cards) great.
But I’m not a fan of that 6 team system where it’s just 6 teams.
"Lord, beer me strength."
That's a fair point
but examples like Stanford seem to be the exception rather than the norm. As for Alabama, I think we can all agree that they are one of the six best teams in the country, regardless of whether they won their conference.
I have not yet begun to defile myself.
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I'll be honest
I don’t think Alabama’s been really tested.
Some will say they beat 3 ranked teams, but I’d point out that two of those are frauds – Penn State (who never played anyone) and Florida (who fell apart).
I can’t say that beating Arkansas is the be-all, end-all or losing close to LSU at home matters.
They’re benefiting off the SEC brand name, in my mind.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Agreed on the last point, for sure
but they also hung in with LSU, which no other team has been able to do.
I have not yet begun to defile myself.
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Hung in with?
Honestly, they outplayed their opponent for 4 quarters. If they have a decent kicker, they win that game.
^Now, here’s the challenge: Tell me whether that statement applies to the 2011 Crimson Tide or the 2009 Texans.
Right.
Alabama was as good or better than LSU for the entire game. No one else that LSU has played, including Oregon, can say that.
I have not yet begun to defile myself.
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Only team better than Alabama IMO is LSU.
And it’s not fair to call out some of Alabama’s opponents as fraudulent when a team like Houston has yet to even play a ranked opponent.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
If we’re talking SOS….
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1296637&PT=4&PR=2
Someone better start talking up Boise State now.
"Lord, beer me strength."
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1299687
Boise State, Kansas State, Oregon, Oklahoma State, and Virginia Tech all with tougher schedules….
"Lord, beer me strength."
Yep, Boise St hasn't exactly tried to load up on cupcakes
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Hell, they try to play as many bigger schools as possible
Problem is no one wants to play them because they know there’s a good chance they could get beat & their season is pretty much over before they start. Plus they use this in turn to keep Boise out of the National Championship discussion
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 30, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
My day just got 10 times better...
Thanks MDC!
I've got nothin'...
TJ Yates- The white willie beaman?
I feel like we are the sharks from Any given sunday it makes me sick!
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by Taco Joe on Nov 29, 2011 2:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
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by distant_texans_fan on Nov 29, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Would that make Kubiak
Al Pacino?
And McNair Carmen Diaz?
I can live with that.
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 29, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
if Bob Mcnair
looked like Carmez Diaz I would try to marry him!
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haha Carmen*
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dammit I cant
effin spell her damn name…
Cameron… though it makes me think of CamRON
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God blessed Texas, but he has forsaken the Texans
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FWIW
I did a search for MeSoLongHorny’s “Carmen Diaz” and was not disappointed.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Wow....
I did a search for MeSoLongHorny’s "Carmen Diaz" and was not disappointed.
..ya that’s what I meant. :)
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 30, 2011 6:38 AM CST up reply actions
Best album title of all time...
Smell The Glove
-Spinal Tap
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
I always got a chuckle from
Joe Walsh’s – “You bought it…you name it” and Frank Zappa’s “Ship Arriving too late to save a Drowning Witch”
"Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."
A little off topic
I heard a Toby Kieth song today about red solo cups. WTF?
I had a dream. In that dream I saw a multitude of screaming people on Richmond. I saw Kubiak laughing. I saw Andre Johnson pouring champagne from a trophy on to Brian Cushings head. What does it mean?
Are you talking about him?
Cause let’s talk about him. I wanna talk about him, him, him….him.
.................
We're Only In It For The Money
Zappa and the Mothers. Who, incidentally, actually were at the best place around.
I heard Zappa rocketed up the ranks in RS's top 100 guitarists
The guy could riff
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
"Musta Notta Gotta Lotta"
-Joe Ely
"Gut Feeling"
Gastrointerologists confirm the human gut contains no rational thoughts.
What it IS full of is fairly well known.
Suh video is awesome
For some reason it said “Tebow” at the top of the screen though.
In honor of the ten worst album titles, I’ll submit my vote for the best album title ever: “14:59” by Sugar Ray. (Like most people, I hate Sugar Ray, but always thought that title was a nice bit of self-deprecation, and accurate as well).
The "Tebow" at the top of the video is a link to another of their videos.
Not as good as the Suh one, but maybe worth watching.
GET A SILK BAG FROM THE GRAVEYARD DUCK TO LIVE LONGER.
i think way too much is being made of the non time out called
I think they should have called one, but there’s something to be said for running a play quickly and trying to catch the defense off guard. We had just given up a huge gain on 3rd on forever, and a timeout gives us a chance to compose ourselves too.
Without a great play by McClain they convert, and the non timeout looks smart. Not what i would have done, but not as ridiculous as everyone seems to think it is.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
by papabear on Nov 29, 2011 2:44 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I read on twitter right after the game
That Dirk Koetter told Del Rio he didnt want a timeout so Del Rio didnt call one.
Great play by McCain
by TexasHoosier on Nov 29, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
On Twitter
in that case it is gospel!
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
by Barryfromtexas on Nov 29, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
That would have some credibility there
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
by Barryfromtexas on Nov 29, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
2DH is my instrument
to close last Sunday and move on to the next week’s opponent. Without it, I am lost.
So, if we win 3 of 5 games
and the BESF’s win out, are we still in?
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
Yes.
I have not yet begun to defile myself.
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But a 20-17 loss to the Titans and a Texans trip to the playoffs will erase 41-7
because that’s how they roll.
We only need to win 2 games
after the BE-SF’s lose to the Saints.
by Bobbythegreat on Nov 29, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
and the Bills
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 29, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
and the Texans!
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 29, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Considering
That the BESFs will likely lose to the Jags, Colts, and Saints and the Texans – where will they win one? You really think they will beat Buffalo?
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
by Barryfromtexas on Nov 29, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see them beating the Bills or Saints
Jags will give them fits. They should beat the Colts. And, OH YEAH!, 41-7.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
You get my point
No way they win out
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
by Barryfromtexas on Nov 29, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
to make it simple
our magic number is 3.
Any combination of texans wins or BE-SF losses that equal 3, we’re conference champs.
Yates - our current game manager.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH BOY!
back in the days when i was a teenager.. before i had status and before i had a pager.. you could find the abstract.. listening to hip hop my pops used to say it reminded him of be bop…
remember the day i bought this tape. popped it into my walkman, and that verse was the first thing i heard. AMAZING ALBUM.
GOOD JOB MDC!
Michael: The feeling that you're feeling is what many of us call...a feeling.
Gob: It's not like envy, or even hungry...
and may a add this lil' diddy?
excursions drum cover a.k.a TOTAL AWESOMENESS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq7I26AQNcw
Michael: The feeling that you're feeling is what many of us call...a feeling.
Gob: It's not like envy, or even hungry...
I think tj yates is gonna go ape shit on atlanta and throw for 300 and 2 touchdowns.
BAnk on it!!!
CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON
I would endorse this post if you add
“and the Texans win!” at the end of your sentence.
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 29, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
down 14 0?
it’ll happen. watch.
CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON CUT KAREEM JACKSON
by Carter Liles on Nov 29, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Schaub nearly did that to the Bucs on only 11 completions.
It can happen.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
I used to think
That “penultimate” meant “best” not “second to last”. I mean it has “ultimate” right there in the word.
by BricAM on Nov 29, 2011 3:26 PM CST via mobile reply actions
It Doesn't!?!?!
Shit! I just ordered a dozen “Penultimate Lover” T-shirts
"Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."
As long as I continue to roam this Earth, CTacc, you all are.
All of you.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
Go eat a
Chocolate Starfish
"Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."
We're number TWO!! We're number TWO!!!
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
Also
I owned a copy of Chocolate Starfish at one point. But in fairness to me, I was 15 and like most bad decisions made by people at that age, it seemed like a good idea at the time.
by BricAM on Nov 29, 2011 3:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Limp Bizkit is like a Michael Bay movie
as long as you understand going in that it’s completely ridiculous, it’s a good time.
The cameo voice over with Ben Stiller is hilarious
Dude sounded really stoned
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Agreed
I especially liked how he introduced the complete suspension of reality early on with the car chase that seemed to imply a HumVee could outrun a Ferrarri.
It has Sean Connery in it.
Uttering one of the most memorable lines in movie history.
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 29, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
the penis mightier than the sword!!
- Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
"It's either gonna make you a man or a coward. One of the two. I'm a be a man. I ain't never seen a coward, heard a coward, coward not in ma vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Nov 29, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
Wrong movie and wrong actor.
You gave us Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, the actor’s name escapes me.
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 29, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
u sure?

- Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
"It's either gonna make you a man or a coward. One of the two. I'm a be a man. I ain't never seen a coward, heard a coward, coward not in ma vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Nov 29, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
It was Samuel L Jackson
in Jaws…“We’re gonna need a bigger mutha fucking boat”.
"Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."
Of course not
That is what Morgan Freeman Said in Leathal Weapon!
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
by Barryfromtexas on Nov 29, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
THAT WAS DENZEL
- Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
"It's either gonna make you a man or a coward. One of the two. I'm a be a man. I ain't never seen a coward, heard a coward, coward not in ma vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Nov 29, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
Excellent movie BTW
In which Morgan AND Denzel were in. But not Kevin Bacon.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Loved when Ferris
Stormed the fort singing Danke Schoen
"Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."
Mangled but yes.
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 29, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
thanks, i couldnt remember if it was prom or homecoming queen.
Actually had prom typed out and changed it to homecoming.
Jake Delhomme is a Texan
Per Schefter twitter. Please stay healthy Yates!!!!
Or he actually wanted to play
Which we hope never happens with either of them
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
But he gets Senior Citizen Discounts!
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
by Barryfromtexas on Nov 29, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
He probably didn't have anything left
He was pretty bad in the CFL or UFL whatever it was last year.
by Bobbythegreat on Nov 29, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe because Chris Meyers
was uncomfortable with Garcia crouched behind him.
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 29, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
He might be gay
But she IS hot

"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
by Mumford on Nov 29, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I want to eat jelly beans off her.
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Nov 29, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
Iwonder how many idiot fans
will call for Delhomme after Yates’ first pick just because Jake used to be good 7 years ago
by LouisianaTexan on Nov 29, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
Who would have thought
We would be talking about a 5th round rookie vs. Delhomme for our QB situation?
FML
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
I can't wait for
the “Delhomme has been to a Super Bowl!!! We need to play him” argument. It DOES however put to rest once and for all the Favre rumors
by LouisianaTexan on Nov 29, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just waiting for the point when T.J. comes out of the game with an injury
Then Jake Delhomme gets hurts, but then T.J. tells the training staff “Dude, it’s just a bruise. I’ll be fine”, then goes back in & wins the game. After that, we call Jeff Garcia back to tell him “Hey, we made a mistake. Can you & your wife to come back to Houston?”
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 30, 2011 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
Even joking Yates goes down
We should jinx this now… before it friggin happens
The Texan Floater, you wanna flush it but you can't.
Wade Aid Is the Best Drink in the League.
Whitest, I mean Best Front Seven in Football.
I'm interested to see how Yates responds after throwing a pick.
This is really interesting actually, to see a 5th round rookie QB get thrown the fire in our offense.
This is my ONE game a year
I am flying down for and Yates is going to blow the mutha fuckin’ joint up. I cannot wait to see this game.
"Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."
'Dre sounds pretty confident in him.
Its typical Texans PR jargon, but I’ll take it.
http://old.houstontexans.com/news/PodcastCentral2.asp?AUTO=Y&EID=1746
And I think you are coming to see perhaps the most exciting game of the season.
Dare I say it, but when it takes some wild theatrics to win a game, there’s something fun about that. I don’t think we will win, but imagine if we did.
But our front 7
Scares the Crap out of Matty Ice
Expect him to melt by the 3rd qtr
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
by Barryfromtexas on Nov 29, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
I had both
the Steeler game and this weekend circled. Could only make this work. I am very excited about seeing our defense live and hopefully get the ground game going. Dirty Birds can be bad on the road. I’ve just come to like our chances no matter who we play with who we’ve had on the field. It’s been a great year to be a Texans fan.
"Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."
by CTacc on Nov 29, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I read somewhere that Matty Ice
is very pedestrian on the road. The article was bookmarked with lots of numbers and fact, so I stopped reading it, but that was in the title.
Plus...
Eat at Chuy’s…. stock up on Chappel Hill Sausage…get some 6.0 beer!!!
"Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."
Chuychanga topped with hatch green chili sauce and jalapeno ranch
///////droooooooools///////
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
That is my
Changa of choice!! But have been tempted by the chicka chicka boom boom…thoughts???
"Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."
Never had it
Honestly, it’s been a couple years since I’ve been to Chuy’s. We have a place up the street (Cocina de Consuela for the Austinites) that’s amazing. Everything made from scratch, and we can ride our bikes up there.
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http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
Mmmmm...
Had to call the wife on that one, BFD (she’s a displaced Austinite). Knows it…and raises you a Matt’s El Rancho…a Guerro’s and a San Miguel.
"Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."
Heh
I don’t know San Miguel. Does she mean Fonda San Miguel? That place kicks ass. I’m not saying anything about the other two places.
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http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
You are correct, sir.
Fonda San Miguel.
"Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."
Matt's El Rancho is crap
I have no idea why anyone is fond of that place.
Fonda San Miguel and Guerro’s on the other hand are good
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Meh
I think Guero’s is pretty crappy. It’s way low on my list of places to hit.
Fonda has gotten too expensive, but the food is outstanding.
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http://www.battleredblog.com
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 29, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, both are nasty, though El Rancho is worse.
Fonda San Miguel has always been expensive, I’m guessing it is now absurd.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
Twitter - xiane1
The Dreamshake
Guerro's USED to be great
Remember, I haven’t liven in Austin since 2004
I do know that the further you got away from the original the less good it was.
My personal favorite is Maudie’s
But Matt’s is inedible at times
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Probably won't be as much as it was when San Francisco was chanting "We Want Carr"
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 30, 2011 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
And couldn't beat out
Colt McCoy (great Longhorn, terrible NFL-er) and the immortal Seneca Wallace in Cleveland
by LouisianaTexan on Nov 29, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Good thing we signed him.
Are we too late for the suck for luck sweepstakes?
I had a dream. In that dream I saw a multitude of screaming people on Richmond. I saw Kubiak laughing. I saw Andre Johnson pouring champagne from a trophy on to Brian Cushings head. What does it mean?
Colt is far from terrible
He hits his receivers right in the hands. He can’t make them catch it
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Agreed
I think Colt has what it takes to be a good NFL QB, but probably not in Cleveland.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
If they end up letting him go
Let’s bring him in for the QB whisperer to work his magic!
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
He be a great fit for Kubiak's system
Plus he’s got more mobility than any other QB we have (T.J. Yates excluded for now since we don’t really know about his mobility yet)
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 30, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
AND VINZE JUST W1NZ
- Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
"It's either gonna make you a man or a coward. One of the two. I'm a be a man. I ain't never seen a coward, heard a coward, coward not in ma vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Nov 30, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
I would rather
THoR take snaps before Jake
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argument invalid
nothing is greater than tebow
- Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
"It's either gonna make you a man or a coward. One of the two. I'm a be a man. I ain't never seen a coward, heard a coward, coward not in ma vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Nov 29, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Cthulhu Disagrees!

"Taco Joe - the beacon of optimism" TexansDC
THEREALALLENOU: "@Joeeatstacos... You're like the second testicle to my Tom green. I dont NEED you, but life is better when your around lol"
AllenOU is the Montgomery to my Patton
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Follow @Joeeatstacos
by Taco Joe on Nov 29, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Eh
I’ve always been more of a Tsathoggua fan myself.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 30, 2011 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
Pffft, for me it's Nyarlahotep or nothing
but we’re not supposed to talk politics here…
by JBal on Nov 30, 2011 8:42 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
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Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 30, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
kudos for the BCS argument
Its easy to throw stones at it (as I’m about to do), but at least you made a proposal and put some examples behind it, which is the hard part. Curious, have you run it on the last few years to see if it would work there?
I disagree with the computer/poll choosing who goes to the playoff. I disagree with Alabama going to the NC game this year for the same reason. You have to make winning your conference mean something. It was my argument the last couple years for Boise, and if my Coogs take care of bidness on Saturday, it will be my remain my argument.
My proposal will always involve conference champions in the playoffs. Currently there are 11 conferences and some independents. I would make a 12 team playoff, where each conference champion is invited.
The top four teams get a bye, and will play in the four current Jan 1 BCS Bowl Games. The remaining 8 will play in the quarters with the games being hosted by the higher seeded team, and will be played two weeks prior to Jan 1.
The winners on Jan 1 play on the 8th, as you proposed, with the winners playing for the NC on the 15th.
I think this system would remove any valid arguments of deserving the NC. If you play at Akron or Alabama, you have the same chance of winning the National Championship when the season begins. Win your conference, then win on the field.
In this system, Alabama would not get a chance, because they didn’t win their conference. I have no problem with that.
How would you like it if the NFL used a Power Ranking to determine the playoffs? We’d never get in. How much would that suck? That’s how the lower tier conferences feel.
Yates - our current game manager.
This is vaguely like my ideas for a college playoff.
Basically, place each conference into a region (whether or not the schools are in the east, or west, whatever) and the conference champions play each other in their region until you get regional champions, then something like an east-west or north-south division until you get to two teams to play for the championship. It’s not a fully fleshed-out idea by any stretch, but it is certainly better than the largely subjective rankings we have today.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 29, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
So here's how it would look this year:
(assumptions: higher BCS ranked team wins their championship game, unranked teams were ranked by record, seeds by BCS rankings)
Dec 17:
12 Louisville at 5 Oregon
11 La Tech at 6 Mich St.
10 BYU at 7 TCU
9 N. Ill at 8 Arky St.
Jan 1 (current BCS) games
1 LSU v. highest remaining seed
2 Ok State v. 2nd highest
3 Va Tech v 3rd highest
4 Houston v 4th highest
Jan 8, 15…
Yates - our current game manager.
i got a better system.
every team that actually makes a profit in athletics get to play for the national title in a playoff format. schools with the biggest profit get automatic byes and homefield advantage.
1) TEXAS 7) ALABAMA
2) GEORGIA 8) TENNESSEE
3) PENN STATE 9) AUBURN
4) MICHIGAN 10) OKLAHOMA
5) FLORIDA 11) SOUTH CAROLINA
6) LSU 12) NOTRE DAME
- Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
"It's either gonna make you a man or a coward. One of the two. I'm a be a man. I ain't never seen a coward, heard a coward, coward not in ma vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Nov 29, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
thats the problem
money and logic don’t mix
- Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
"It's either gonna make you a man or a coward. One of the two. I'm a be a man. I ain't never seen a coward, heard a coward, coward not in ma vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Nov 29, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
I would prefer a full 16 (or 12 plus byes) team playoff. But, as I mentioned, I think the corporate interests and money generated by bowl games would prevent any of the powers-that-be from signing off on something that minimized the “importance” of the traditional bowls. That was my starting point for coming up with a solution, hence the six teams.
As for your plan, I see the pros, but I also think it’s a step backward from what the BCS was originally designed to do: pit the two best teams against one another for the national championship. If you leave out Alabama so that Arkansas State gets in from the Sun Belt conference, you’re creating a good tournament for finding the best conference champ, but not the best team.
On top of this, given the conference jumping that we’ve seen lately, I worry that saying “only conference winners” would encourage teams to jump to weak conferences. What sense does it make for Mizzou to go to the SEC rather than the Sun Belt or the MAC if the only way to get into the tourney is to win the conference, no matter how weak it might be?
I also agree with whomever mentioned above that teams should not be ranked at all until week 8. That would help with a good deal of the conference-power bias.
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If you leave out Alabama so that Arkansas State gets in from the Sun Belt conference, you’re creating a good tournament for finding the best conference champ, but not the best team.
But in the NFL that’s ok, just not college? We’d need a 16 team playoff to add wildcards, but how can you scream its unfair because Alabama won’t be in the tournament when they had the exact same playing field as every other team in the NCAA? They just lost. Boo freakin who. Thats why the games are played on the field, not decided by computers and writers.
Idc what the BCS was originally designed to do. I think basketball has done it right, decide it on the court. The NFL does it like this. The NBA does it like this. College Baseball does it like this. Why does what someone decided was in the best interests of a TV contract (the BCS) have anything to do with who should win the National Championship in 2013 and beyond?
As for the conference jumping, under your plan the undefeated teams get an automatic bid, so the bottom feeders of the SEC and even the middle teams are highly incentivized to leave also, since there’s no way they’ll ever get a bid. But you and I both know that won’t happen. Same reason it won’t happen under my plan.
And for Mizzou going to the MAC, under my plan the MAC wouldn’t accept them. Why make it harder for your teams? The free market would take care of the movement in a fair system.
Its unconstitutional to say you cant rank teams before week 8. That one is a non-starter.
Yates - our current game manager.
That's not what happens in the NFL.
In the NFL, the two best non-division winners get in as wild cards. The NCAA basketball and baseball tourney examples don’t hold water either, as you can get into both of those without winning your conference. You’re proposing a tourney that is unlike either of those.
Again, NFL, NBA, and College Baseball all allow you to make the tourney without winning your conference/division. I’m not saying that TV contracts and corporate sponsors SHOULD be allowed to have a say, but that they WILL be allowed to have a say.
Fair point on conference jumping.
The free market is a myth, both here and generally speaking.
It’s in no way unconstitutional to say that you can’t have rankings that matter prior to week 8. Corporations/entities could rank if they wanted, but that doesn’t mean that any of those have to count for anything. There’s nothing unconstitutional about saying that those pre-week-8 rankings are meaningless.
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I addressed the wildcards with the need for a 16 team playoff. I don’t think its necessary because I don’t have a problem telling Alabama to stfu and win your conference next year.
My tournament is exactly like the NCAA Basketball and Baseball tourneys as you automatically get in by winning your conference. The only difference is the amount (and presence) of wildcards. If you had to trim down those tournaments for any reason (like football scheduling/travel, for example) the first teams to cut would be the wildcards. The way the basketball playoffs are filled is automatic bids are filled first, then they argue about the wildcards.
The exact opposite is your system, where conference championship means nothing, and computer/human ranking determines who should play.
You say “Thats not what happens in the NFL” Look at your proposal and mine. Which one resembles the NFL more?
Yours: We’ll look at the power rankings compiled by several sources and pick the top 6 based on strength of schedule, these rankings, and whatever this computer spits out, division champs be damned!
Mine: Division champs determine who plays for the championship.
I think mine is much closer to the NFL than yours. And you dodged my question. How would you feel if we let the power rankings and a computer decide the NFL playoffs?
There’s nothing unconstitutional about saying that those pre-week-8 rankings are meaningless.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the BCS rankings don’t come out until then, using only the rankings from then, so your point is moot, is it not? Corporations have their rankings, but they don’t mean anything until the BCS puts them in their computer, right?
Yates - our current game manager.
Re: the last question
No. The coaches’ poll makes up 1/3 of the BCS, and it runs from before the season begins.
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but the poll that goes into the computers to make up the first BCS rankings
is taken right before the computers spit out their numbers, so the previous weeks are meaningless, no?
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Not really
because the Coaches’ Poll builds on itself. So, for example, if a team is #1 in the CP to start the season, an early loss won’t knock them out of the poll entirely, whereas a team that is unranked to start the season might not even be ranked by week 8 if they lose early. At best, they’ll be clinging to the bottom of the poll, despite having the same record as the preseason #1, and that’s all because the CP lets the preseason notions dictate.
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I think its disingenuous to say
the poll builds on itself.
Each week (I assume) they are mailed a ballot and they put their picks in. Week 8 starts with an empty slate like every other week.
If you can’t avoid USA Today or the AP from taking a poll prior to any other week, you can’t avoid the built in bias you are talking about. I guess we could sequester the coaches. That might work.
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Well, the other problem
is that some coaches put no effort into the voting. Steve Spurrier has voted Duke in the Top 25 for the preseason poll for years now because he thinks preseason polls are silly.
But how can you say it’s disingenuous? If you are the #1 team and you lose week 1, despite being 0-1, there’s zero chance you’d fall out of the poll, even if that season-opening loss was to a D1-AA school. If you then rattled off four or five wins in a row, you’d almost certainly be ranked ahead of a team that started the season unranked and was 6-0.
As for built-in bias, there are studies that show that the coaches’ poll is biased to an alarming degree because of how higher rankings for teams that a team beat help the winning team. This is another good example of how it builds on itself. If I beat you while you are ranking 20, it helps me more if I can vote to keep you in the top 25.
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As for the rest
I don’t think you can draw a parallel between the NFL and the NCAA simply due to the size of the pool and the differences in scheduling. In the NFL, you’ve only got 32 teams; the NCAA has 120. The NFL has strict scheduling rules in place, so that, for example, you know that the division winner played every team in its division twice and had a similar out-of-division and out-of-conference schedule as the other teams in the division. College has none of that. It makes no sense to me to say, hey, Akron, you get in because you beat Cinci and VMI and Kent State, but you, Alabama, who would destroy Akron and every team Akron played, don’t get to play for the national championship just because a slightly better team was in your same conference. Until you can normalize scheduling and account for the vast discrepancies in talent between the SEC and the Sun Belt conference, I don’t buy any argument that winning a conference should be the important factor.
As for Power Rankings in the NFL, that’s a strawman in my opinion. There’s no need for that because you’re dealing with a small set of teams and scheduling allows you to determine over the course of the regular season which teams really are better than others (for the most part). So, no, I wouldn’t like Power Ranking determining the NFL playoffs because that would be absurd given the realities of the NFL. It’s less absurd when you’re trying to cull through 120 teams who have vastly different opponents.
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What does Akron suit up for in September, then?
They aren’t playing NCAA Division 1 college football, since they aren’t on the same playing field.
Every team that plays NCAA Division 1 college baseball and basketball has a chance to win a national championship by winning their conference then winning games in the playoffs. This is not the case in football, because people believe it should be different for some reason.
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Oh, I agree with this thought completely.
The current system blows for a school like Akron. I don’t dispute that in the least. Hell, it even blows for a Houston, considering that a legit system would almost certainly pit the two undefeated teams for the championship. But, at the same time, I think you have balance “sucks for Akron” with the reality that winning the MAC is nowhere near as impressive as being the second-best team in the SEC. I think the system that I outlined leaves the door open for a Houston (or, in theory, an Akron, though that’s admittedly a very long shot), while also recognizing that there are conferences where the top 2 or 3 teams are better than any team in any other conference.
I think football is treated different in terms of postseason because football is different in terms of how often you can play. The NCAA basketball tourney has teams playing every two or three days. That’s just not feasible in football (obviously). So you could never get through a 64- or even a 32-team bracket. If you could do 16 teams, that would probably work (conference winners plus five wild cards, and fuck ND for not being in a conference), but, like I said, I was working from the starting assumption that nothing resembling a pure playoff was likely to happen any time soon.
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I think our systems are similar
after the Jan 1st game.
I was trying to get around the complaint that the fan bases wouldn’t want to, or couldn’t, travel several times to several bowl (playoff) games, but having them host the early rounds.
I think it benefits the schools by giving them another home game, doesn’t make them take a month off, gives them two weeks after and before for exams/holidays, and allows all conferences to have a shot.
It took years for Boise to enter the minds of the polls/computers. If this would be decided on the field, it would fix itself every year, because we’d know that Akron would get demolished. Or we’d figure out that Boise really did have a good team the year they went undefeated and didn’t get a shot.
To get 16 teams in my system, you’d remove the byes, the top 8 get home games the second week in December, and the four Jan 1 BCS games are the semi-finals.
Then Alabama would have a(nother) shot at the national championship, like everybody seems to want.
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I think the only sticking point we have
is that your system assumes that all conferences are created equal, while I assume that there’s a reason that some conferences are considered better than others. I can see both arguments, but I’d be more comfortable with your version if there was massive restructuring based on geography that created 6 super conferences. I’d match them like this:
SEC/Sun Belt
Big Ten/MWC
Big 12/C-USA
Big East/Independents
Pac-12/WAC
MAC/ACC
You might need a little shuffling to balance out if you wanted, but that’s pretty close. The smallest has 20 teams, while the biggest has 24. From there, you give each conference winner AQ status, and you still have room for 10 at-large bids (or 6 at-large bids, plus byes).
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no. itz angrish
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Nov 29, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
A rec for you sir!
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by Barryfromtexas on Nov 29, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
lol
Big thumbs dammit!!! Signed delhomme
by TexansForLife on Nov 29, 2011 4:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions
BCS question
As it stands, only 2 teams from a conference can go to BCS bowls. ESPN is saying even if LSU loses a close one to UGA, LSU may still go to the NC game. If that’s true, then what happens? I mean it would be LSU-Bama for the MNC but UGA would have an automatic berth to the Sugar Bowl as SEC champ. Is there some loophole for this. Also, if this happens, I’m declaring the Texans as Super Bowl Champs. We probably won’t win the AFC, but that’s hardly an issue since playoffs are stupid anyway right.
There is a loophole
1 and 2 automatically are in the championship game.
SEC Champion, if not there, is contractually obligated to go to the Sugar Bowl.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Correct.
UGA would go to the Sugar Bowl, LSU and Bama would play in the NCG, and one of the otherwise at-large bids would get hosed.
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who's going to the Sugar Bowl
against Houston if LSU wins this weekend?
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Assuming Houston does go to the Sugar Bowl, Michigan.
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by UprootedTexan on Nov 29, 2011 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
awesome news
If we win Saturday, and I gotta believe Southern Miss wants to lose, what with their share of the $13M payout from UHs BCS bid coming their way, and we face Michigan, I gotta have a friendly little wager with MDC.
And I’ll be looking for some tickets.
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Once again a fine job
Though I quite caring about Div 1 “titles” and such years ago – because they are all too chicken to have a playoff system.
They could learn from their smaller college bretheren.
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Would you re-sign Mario at this point?
For unadjusted Peppers money ($84 million over six years with about $40 guaranteed).
I still think there’s a big drop-off between Mario and Reed, but that’s a lotta money to throw at him when Wade has proven he can get one of the best pass rushes in then league out of what we already have. I also happen to love Barwin at WOLB. Either way, every game that goes by convinces me more and more that he’s expendable.
You do if he'll handcuff the franchise for the next 5+ years
As much as I love Mario I’ve been trying to prepare myself for his departure. I have to think he’s going to be looking for DE money, and I just can’t see us giving it to him in a long term deal. Everyone is a drop off from Mario but Reed has played outstanding for a rookie, and he may even be better in run support.
Wade has proven that he can plug and play LB’s. I hope we find a way to keep Mario because the potential in his system is SCARY, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they let him go and continue to draft and develop at the position so they can use that money elsewhere.
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Mario will be seeking DE money
and he deserves DE money. Whether we can/will pay him that is a distinct question.
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I'm thinking Mario isn't signed
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Could we Franchise him for a year?
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From what I understand, yes.
But as a DE or LB?
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 30, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not clear exactly what the dollar differential would be...
… but frankly, I think that you pay him what he’s worth. Whatever position he happens to be occupying at the time is really irrelevant to the discussion and using THAT as a criteria is pretty “HR-ish”. If the technical “title” is LB but functionally he is the equivalent of a 4-3 DE then don’t be stupid, pay the man.
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Why?
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
They are very likely going to have to franchise him and Foster
At least one of them – there just is not much cap space.
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by Barryfromtexas on Nov 30, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
They could franchise at least one and only one, not two
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
They can put a 1st & 3rd round tender on Foster
He should be a restricted free agent after this season
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by The Night Owl on Nov 30, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
Because:
1) It’s the right thing to do to appropriately pay your top performers (as the most important reason)
2) They need to continue to show all the players that they are willing to pay for excellent performance.
2a) They really don’t need to allow the situation to degrade into a Dunta2 scenario or folks are going to start wondering if the front office is the problem. (I’m not really worried about that because of how well they have dealt with Andre’s struggles with poorly negotiated contracts by family members)
3) Players of Mario’s quality don’t just come along every year. Before he went out he had established that he was going to transition quite nicely into Wade’s system and having the current crop of linebackers AND Mary O’Williams is just a happy face kinda’ situation.
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Whether we like it.....or not
There is a salary cap, and someone will eventually have to be the odd man out.
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Agreed...
…and I wasn’t aware of the magnitude of Mary O’Williams’ salary-hit. I expected it to be significant, but not the ending-of-all-life-on-the-planet-as-we-know-it level that it really is. There really may not be much “decision” to be made if some kind of a reasonable long-term solution can’t be worked out. If Mary isn’t “attached” to Houston in any way and just wants to get paid, I think that someone else will pay him more than we can afford to.
Pity. But unlike our government, I DO understand budgets and financial limits and your point is dead on.
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There may actually be rules, I don't know.
And I have hear numbers floating around along the lines of 18 mil for a DE vs 12 mil for LB.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 30, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
There are rules
If they franchise a player, his salary would be the equivalent average of the top five players at the same position. In Mario’s case that would be LB.
The threat of signing a player to a franchise contract can be used as leverage by the team for the player to sign a long term deal. When the player feels the long term deal isn’t in his best interest, then he can sign the one year franchise deal.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Clarification under the new CBA
The rules have change slightly on compensation. The Franchise Tag salary is equivalent to the average of the highest paid player at that position for the last five years, and not the average of the five highest paid from the previous year.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Also, there are two types of Franchise Tags; Exclusive and Non-Exclusive
An “exclusive” franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams.
A “non-exclusive” franchise players may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.
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Me too
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by The Night Owl on Nov 30, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
But it doesn't just effect Mario
Wouldn’t it change the market price for that position league wide? Agents would love it. GMs and owners would hate it.
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I don't think
Rick Smith determines the pay for a franchise tag, does he?
Its an average. They can’t move up or down a scale based on how much we like the guy.
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Franchising him might be impossible for us.
His 2011 salary is so massive that he’ll get a 10% increase over that rather than the average of top-paid players. It would be over $20 million, and we’re dangerously close to the cap as it is.
Very important point here.
Though it would be 20% increase, not 10%.
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This is true, it's 120% or average of top player at that position for the last five years
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Ah... thanks for the numbers...
It does reach a point where you just can’t afford to drive the Lamborghini and must grit your teeth and “rough it” with the Porsche I guess.
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if we tag him
can we change his position to offensive guard before we do? You know, to save a little money?
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Foster and Mary-o
1) Mario will never not be a texan. he is too much of a rare breed of talent on and off the field. His potential for greatness under Wade is too much to pass up.
2) Foster is a down to earth kinda guy. He will get paid but he won’t bend over Mr. McNair for everything he’s got. We have tate who is good but no great and we can always find more backs to fit this system. After all that’s what the Denver Broncos used to do.
Bottom line: This team has too much talent a small window to win a Super Bowl. They can all restructure their contracts in order to make this work. They all believe in Kubiak and Wade and with a leader like Andre guiding them there is no way that this should turn into a bad situation. They have taken care of every guy that they considered a priority.
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Nov 30, 2011 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
I only take issue with...
“…a small window to win a Super Bowl.”
The way this team is being built, I think that we are going to have an extended window to win a Super Bowl. Our defense is young. Our running backs are young. We have a coach that can groom the next QB in line. I’m thinking that things are looking as rosy for the Texans as they ever have.
And while I don’t take issue with #2, I would just submit that when you start talking about somebody’s money and agents/lawyers get involved, there is a whole HOST of ways that a conversation can turn ugly. I’m just hoping for a good outcome because I do like having VREEK on the team.
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That's a whole lot of happy speculation
Let’s not forget that this is a business, and both sides know that. Getting everyone to restructure their contracts is much easier said than done.
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You franchise him
You can then trade him for a King’s ransom, sign him to a big deal, or if he comes back and isn’t himself, you can let him go.
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by Patrick Harrel on Nov 29, 2011 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
The franchise-tag money
still has to work with the salary cap. I think that’s the big question here: can you afford both Foster and Mario, even if you tag one of them?
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Cant they maneuver it to where it is front loaded or has a large signing bonus?
I’m no expert to be sure, but aren’t there ways around that?
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I'm sure they can
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by The Night Owl on Nov 30, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
To an extent, yeah
But there are rules about how much the salary can vary from one year to the next or how much can be signing bonus versus salary.
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Might want to add 2008 Steelers to defensive comparisons.
3,795 total yards, 2,511 passing yards, and 1,284 rushing yards
Yards per attempt (Texans ball control offense has helped Texans total yardage defense)
2008 Steelers: 3.9 (4.3 pass and 3.3 rush)
2000 Ravens: 4.3 (5.3 pass and 2.7 rush)
1985 Bears: 4.4 (4.8 pass and 3.7 rush)
2011 Texans: 4.6 (4.6 pass and 4.2 rush)
DVOA (Takes opponent's offense into account)
2002 Bucs: -32.1% (1st)
2008 Steelers: -26.9% (1st)
2000 Ravens: -26.3% (2nd)
2011 Texans: -8.9% (8th)
1985 Bears: No data
Conclusion: Yards per attempt reveals that our offense has protected our defense a little, but DVOA reveals we have played some horrible offensive teams.
Why can't the FBS do what the FCS does?
Here’s my proposed solution to the BCS:
*20-team playoff, just like FCS. Each conference winner gets an automatic bid, leaving 9 wild cards. Wild cards would be ineligible for a bye. The system now known as BCS Ranking determines seeding.
*No conference can produce more than 3 playoff teams.
*Playoff games are played on a neutral site
*FBS and FCS get name-changed back to I-A and I-AA. With a playoff system, the names lose their meaning.
*Cut the 12-game regular season back down to 11, since I think an 18-game season would take too much of a toll on players’ bodies.
*Keep the non-major bowls (crap like the Beef O’Brady’s Bowl) in place for those that don’t make the playoffs.
*Every major bowl (Rose, Sugar, Cotton, Orange, Sun, Fiesta, Gator, and Holiday) gets a playoff game in the 2nd round. Current BCS bowls host quarterfinal matchups, while the non-BCS major bowls host the 4 play-in games. The semifinal and national championship games are rotated between the 4 current BCS bowls, with 1 being left out each year.
*The game that doesn’t host a Semifinal/NC matchup just hosts a regular bowl game.
This system has a few advantages:
*It allows the cash to keep flowing on schedule. Actually, I think allowing certain bowls to host multiple games increases the cash flow.
*Provides a definitive national champion.
*Gives us interesting bowl/playoff games every week.
*Giving a bid to the winner of each conference means that all undefeated teams get in, and we don’t have to worry about playoffs leading to weak scheduling. As a matter of fact, it might just lead to better non-conference scheduling to assure that teams get tested against the best talent.
*Limiting the number of teams from a conference means that the Playoff system doesn’t just become an SEC postseason tournament.
*Ends this crazy realignment crap. When you’re killing off two rivalries that are over a century old, it’s time to stop.
Anyone see any issues with this?
tl;dr
naw just kidding. I’m all for it. you base it on the field not on where people think teams belong. of course anything that is logical will never be considered as a realistic possibility. there are many different ways to approach the problem but the ncaa will always protect the schools that make them the most money along with their corporate sponsors.
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Nov 29, 2011 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
Because it's too affordable
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 30, 2011 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
Someone green this!
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Nov 29, 2011 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
speaking of movies...
… the other night I was watching this old Geena Davis movie, “The Long Kiss Goodnight”. At first (i.e the first hour and a half) I thought it was a very mediocre movie, even though there was a lot of shooting guns and stuff. But then, to my amazement, I discovered that it was in fact, the greatest movie of all time! While driving an 18 wheeler through a brick wall she says the line, “Suck my d**k! Mo..er Fu…ers!” Awesome, completely awesome.
uh, this has nothing to do with anything, just felt like sharing with the class….
Go T.J.! Go Texans!!!
p.s. Awesome blog.
BU alum, BU dad.
by @BLMTTT on Nov 29, 2011 7:57 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
All time greatest Gina Davis line.
I had a dream. In that dream I saw a multitude of screaming people on Richmond. I saw Kubiak laughing. I saw Andre Johnson pouring champagne from a trophy on to Brian Cushings head. What does it mean?
Newb rec
Welcome! Please tell RGIII to be nice to UT this weekend. kthxbai!
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by bigfatdrunk on Nov 29, 2011 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
Taking whole family....
… but just saw the weather report. : (
Rain and cold. That should make it even more interesting….
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TJ Yates
With 66 yards, he will pass the inimitable Dave Ragone for 5th all-time.
should read
With 66 yards, TJ, who is dating(?) the daughter of a former BE-SFs coach, will pass the inimitable Dave Ragone, who is currently a BE-SFs coach, for 5th all-time.
Yates - our current game manager.
Okay, I'll let T.J. Yates pass on this one
Look at it this way, he saved her from her brothers
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 30, 2011 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
Can you imagine how thanksgiving and Monday went?
Thanksgiving:
TJ Yates GF – Dad, I’m dating the back-up quarterback for the Texans…
TJ Yates GF’s Dad – Well, at least he’s not the starting QB… I still love you.
Monday:
TJ Yates GF – Dad, he’s starting for the Texans now…
TJ Yates GF’s Dad – FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU……..
I've got nothin'...
Well, he's a former coach, so there's less for him to worry about
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Nov 30, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah... I know...
Just saying he probably still has allegiance to the Titans. In one of the pictures of his daughter, she’s wearing a Titans jersey. I imagine it’s probably kinda wierd for him.
I've got nothin'...
WB Yeats
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I need to take issue with something here.
The following statement is untrue:
but that’s the system we’re playing under, and there’s no chance that the bowls are going to be scrapped because of how much money they make for the NCAA and its legion of corporate overlords.
(my emphasis)
The NCAA makes no money from bowls, or even from college football. The NCAA’s primary (and virtually sole) source of income is March Madness. The courts specifically stripped from the NCAA the ability to negotiate contracts for (and thereby profit from) college football (see NCAA v. Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma, 1984).
Furthermore, economists have looked at the current system and concluded that the current system actually costs the schools money. By some estimates, as much as half a billion dollars per year.
The real problem to a playoff system boils down to the bowls themselves. They are the ones who stand to lose the most financially, and they are the ones who consistently, uniformly profit. The NCAA and the colleges have essentially outsourced the most exciting and best-followed sporting events in the country to a bunch of third parties who consistently fleece the universities and their sponsors. Small wonder that they are the ones who make the most noise about how unfair and how hard a playoff system would be if implemented. They’re a sub-cartel operating within a larger cartel.
I’ll get off my soapbox now, but I highly recommend, nay, urge everyone to read the following mind-blowing article at the Atlantic about the whole rotten corrupt enterprise that is major college sports in America.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Nov 30, 2011 4:49 AM CST reply actions
The people running the bowls make a fortune
…and they make sure to keep AD’s and school presidents showered with “extras” so they continue to support the bowl system.
That being said there’s no reason to throw out the history of the bowl system. I know getting to play in a bowl is a big deal for players at the lesser schools who don’t go every year. Matt’s idea is the simplest thing. Expand off the BCS by creating a couple of extra games that serve as playoffs based on BCS ranking. Anyone not in the playoff can still go to a bowl like they do now.
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Not gonna happen, but good idea
All this leads me to ask… What’s more right?, and the answer depends on you perception and the weight of your influence.
Is the current system right or is your system right?
Answer of the people that make the decisions: “Thank you for the shower. We’ll keep it the way it’s going.”
Answer of the media that hypes this question every year: “Thank you for blowing up our ratings. We’ll keep it the way it’s going.”
Answer of the public that supports the power conferences: “Thank you for putting our teams in the spotlight. We’ll keep it the way it’s going.”
Answer of the public that doesn’t have a team in a BCS conference and generally doesn’t count: “What about us!”
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
While I do not particularly like the BCS system
Speaking as a fan (not player) of UH this is quite true
I know getting to play in a bowl is a big deal for players at the lesser schools who don’t go every year.
I am going for sure if they end up in a BCS game this year. It literally could be a once in a lifetime, or at least a long time, opportunity for me to cheer my team in one.
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I'll be there, too
if its in fact the Sugar Bowl, since I’m off that day, but not on the 1st.
Yates - our current game manager.
You are correct.
I should have clarified that statement better and made it “. . . for the NCAA’s legion of corporate overlords.”
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Playoffs
But they would need to re organize the conferences in a totally new way. When the playoffs start from the 16 new Conferences a playoffs start where the higher seeds get a home play off game, in the ne until the Semis here you could then still have 7 Bowl games at a site, even have the round of 16 and quarters sponsored as bowls. Would would do the same with the other schools that don’t make it into the top 160. Even have some promotions and regulations. Teams will have to balance money for home games, and I think this is the biggest obstacle Teams all want a fair share of money, and home entertainment, this way you get both.
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I disagree with 16 conferences.
What would we do with the independent teams?
Plus, 8 would be a better system, and we’re already on pace for 8 conferences (Big East and Big XII-IV+I are going to collapse, C-USA and MWC have merged football.)
It is all a competiton
to be in the Top 160 schools, since it is all about money the independents will be more obligated to be associated. if you are in the next 160 schools the playoffs still happen just at the higher seeded teams home, and then eventually they would be able to take the larger games into bowls of their own. Top teams and bottom teams from associated divisions move up and down accordingly. ….
As I type and re read aloud this could never happen, no school would vote to give up money. Stupid Money is the road block
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