Houston Texans OLB Connor Barwin Named AFC Defensive Player Of The Month
by TexansDC on Nov 30, 2011 2:18 PM CST
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PrintAnother month, another honor for one of your Houston Texans. Word recently broke on the Twitterverse that outside linebacker Connor Barwin was named November's AFC Defensive Player of the Month.
Some complained that Barwin was snubbed when his four sack effort against the Jacksonville Jaguars was not enough to wrest AFC Defensive Player of the Week away from Baltimore Ravens OLB Terrell Suggs, but I think Connor will be happy with the month award as a consolation prize.
In November, Barwin notched at least one sack in each of Houston's games. He finished with 16 total tackles, 6.5 sacks, and one Unsung Hero in three games. Through 11 games, Barwin has notched career high totals in tackles (34), sacks (9), and passes defensed (5). I believe it is safe to say that his ankle is fine and the transition from defensive end to outside linebacker was no big deal.
Barwin's November honor follows Arian Foster's AFC Offensive Player of the Month last month.
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This D is a wrecking crew!
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
by Rip Jersey on Nov 30, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Thanks for applying the aggie curse
As if we didn’t have enough problems.
Bandwagon fan since Oct. 6, 1999.
by Lone Spot on Nov 30, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Oh, the Lawrence Taylor Giants were also called a wrecking crew....
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
by Rip Jersey on Nov 30, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
At the time, yes.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
Twitter - xiane1
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Okay, let A&M have the Wrecking Crew
How about, in honor of Cushing and what makes them pursue QBs,
“The Blood Brothers”
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Oh boy! Word play!
“Clot Factor”?
“Plasma Pursuers”?
“Corpuscle Crushers”?
“Red Tide”?
Change “Battle Red” to “Blood Red”?
“Red Alert”?
“Cut me, Mick!”
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
Just to clarify...
The “Wrecking Crew” was Aaron Glenn, Kevin Smith, Cris Crooms, Quentin Coryatt, Sam Adams, and others.. And they left, most of them, by 1993.. The Wrecking Crew name left with them.. Having pathetic A&M defenses banking on that name, since, is an insult, really..
"Cause I know that the hypnotized never lie".. Pete Townshend..
by roo7227 on Nov 30, 2011 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Swede that like the Houston Texans and Chelsea FC
by Fredrik Nyman on Nov 30, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Texans and Chelsea?
That’s an interesting combo. I think it should be Everton, to get the frustration level equal.
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I'm the same
And I think its a very good combo, keeps Chelsea’s current troubles in perspective haha, plus I don’t know how anyone could cope with double the Texans frustration
Awesome!
With Barwin’s emergence, our defense features yet another playmaker who can impact the game at any time. Schaub or no Schaub, I trust our defense to keep us in the game.
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by Stupendous Man on Nov 30, 2011 2:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions
This has been said before
It is a thrill to watch the pass rushers on this D in action. The moment they sense the pocket breaking down and the QB might make a run for it, they become voracious in their pack-like pursuit, racing to be the first one in for the kill. Then the whistle blows, the play is over, and there is mutual appreciation amongst them for the guy that actually did make the kill. It’s awesome!
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
by Rip Jersey on Nov 30, 2011 2:33 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I noticed this one game I was watching.
The whole front 7 have their head/eyes up at all times and when they see the QB start to scramble most of them are able to disengage from blocks by moving sideways which most times the O-lineman can’t stay locked up without holding. It is a thing of beauty to behold.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
this defense
Seems to get better with every game. They need to do everything they can to keep wade phillips in houston. I would hate to see him leave for jax/la or philly if reed gets the boot. Do d coordinators get locked up long term, or, are they pretty much yr to yr?
by HTown80 on Nov 30, 2011 2:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Phillips signed like a 5 year contract
Though teams have to allow them to interview for head coaching positions.
Something tells me he’s had enough of being a head coach for at least a few years, though.
In fact, Wade Phillips tells you that.
I think he was being genuine when he said how much he wanted to be here as Defensive Coordinator in his first press conference and that he didn’t see himself fitting in anywhere as a Head Coach.
And I will keep telling myself that, too.
by WhiskeyR on Nov 30, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
More importantly, he wants to be in Houston.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Nov 30, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, I think he does.
And I think he enjoys being a defensive coordinator, which is what he’s best at doing. The success of the D speaks for itself. I’d worry about his assistants being hired away after this year.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
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The Dreamshake
I'd rather have assistants that are wanted by other teams
than those that aren’t. It means they’re the best at what they do, and they’re doing it.
The key is to keep hiring the best you can find when the time comes.
Kubiak believes in you
Oh, absolutely. I'm just worried about keeping them.
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The Dreamshake
just about every sideline view has a shot of Wade in the background
And I always notice he has a self-satisfied grin
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
by Rip Jersey on Dec 1, 2011 12:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He said that his Goal was to be looked at as a Head Coach again
But said he would DC as long as it took to Get back to HC. Make no mistake, if he gets a shot at HC in a good situation, he will take it.
(on if being a defensive coordinator was something he wanted to do next after leaving Dallas and if he feels like he’ll have another opportunity to be a head coach or if that is still a desire) "I didn’t know. Usually when you get fired, and I was 29-19 at Buffalo, which I think they would take right now, but at the time I was fired from there. I didn’t get many opportunities then and I think it’s similar. It’s perception sometimes more than reality in that I’ve won a lot of games in this league and have a real high winning percentage. But I don’t see me being the head coach again because of the perception overall."
It’s not a definite answer one way or the other, but this was the quote from Phillips’ introductory press conference.
by Tailgate Andy on Nov 30, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
That kind of makes it sound like he doesn't think anyone would try to hire him as a HC though.
Not that he wouldn’t want to be one.
Yeah, it didn't really leave me with a warm fuzzy feeling.
(on how many years his contract is for) "We really don’t go into contracts and what those things are. But I’m happy to be here and they took care of me money-wise, so I’m happy. My wife is happy."
This quote from the same press conference helped ease my mind a little bit, but if the right deal comes along, I think he’d take it. I still think it’s another year or two before he starts getting a serious offer though(and when he does, I hope Bob McNair does all he can to keep him as the DC in Houston).
by Tailgate Andy on Nov 30, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
Did you see the press conference?
I think you’re correct, if the right deal comes along he will take it. But when I watched that press conference he seemed like he was very much where he wants to be. He didn’t seem very worried about if he would be a head coach again, he didn’t seem to care, someone just asked him the question. So he answered it in a way that maintains his pride.
Lets all follow my homer logic that since Wade is such an elite Defensive Coordinator (and since Uncle Bob hooked him up money wise) he probably enjoys it much more than being a head coach. He’s doing what he loves and not having to worry about Offense. Also we offer him the best chance at a championship compared to any job I can foresee.
Any body think he took the job here thinking kubiak might not be here for long and he had a chance at becoming HC in the future? (i dont dislike what kubiak has done for the texans offensive wise)
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths. -Stephen Wright
And I think they have enough "history"...
…that there is probably a bit of a connection there.
I’d hope so.
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
Agreed.
But I was talking more in the past. Before he passed out the koolaid. I think things have changed. They now have that history. However, Wade had slim to no decision on kubiak staying.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths. -Stephen Wright
my god i hope so
I want to have his babies, so they can grow up and help the texans in the future. That’s fucking love right there.
by HTown80 on Dec 1, 2011 12:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The only reason to not hold onto him is if you think he's really injury prone and not just unlucky.
Yes, the rest of the unit is very good, but why wouldn’t you want a vicious rotation of 3 killer pass rushers on the outside?
Plus your Psycho Package turns into Williams and Barwin at end, Watt and Smith at NT, with Reed blitzing from one side or the other from OLB.
Opens up the zone blitz with Barwin dropping into coverage if you have Reed on the same side as him, too.
I think the sort of injury he got this season really does qualify as a fluke.
Just like the lis-franc injury to Schaub.
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No argument there
But we also have to think of it in terms of value. How valuable Mario is to the team versus how expensive Mario will become to the team, IMO, is going to be quite disproportionate.
Kubiak believes in you
Maybe.
Mario’s value is pretty high, though.
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The Dreamshake
Is it though?
I mean, in terms of value to us versus value to other teams?
It’s dangerous to say we can just get by without a player of his caliber, but the results this year speak for themselves.
Kubiak believes in you
You make a good point
Make no mistake, Mario’s value is very high, but it can’t be overlooked that the Texans have a #1 ranked defense without him, and have for the majority of the season.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
That's not the point
I can think of how great it would be with Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, and Ronnie Lott, but that doesn’t change the situation.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Would you rather have the defense "as is" and add Larry Fitzgerald to the offense?
Fitz probably makes less than Mario will command.
Due to the salary cap situation, even allowing Mario to walk would open up a huge cap number. Highest paid positions are QB, LT, and 4-3DE…
but in this case it is possible to have them together
you just don’t let him walk case closed
That's just it, it's not possible... cap-wise.
If you keep a player at $20million… the team must give up $20million worth of other players. It’s a zero sum proposition.
I think it's too early to be concerned about who we may or may not resign for next year.
Let’s get through this season first.
"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli
"If you really want something in life you have to work for it. Now quiet, they're about to announce the lottery numbers." -- Homer Simpson
"There is no rehab for stupid." -- Chris Rock
Never try to baptize a cat.
Think also of the caliber of offenses we have played in his absense.
I really think most are missing this point. But I believe we will feel Mario’s loss when we play high caliber offenses. Yes, we can beat up on the weaker sisters without him, but I strongly suspect we are going to dearly miss him when we face the big boys. I hope I’m wrong, but I suspect not. We will see this weekend…and I’m worried.
Look at Mario's stats for this season
Although a small sample size, you have:
11 tackles (10 solo)
5 sacks
1 Forced Fumble
1 Pass Defensed
I’d rather we try to keep him than let someone else pick him up. For all of the talk earlier in the season that Mario just wouldn’t transition well to OLB, I think he blew those perceptions out of the water (in my eyes at least). To have the ability to rotate/spell him, Barwin and Reed, you’re looking at a very dangerous rush attack.
My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.
I don't think the argument is if they TRY to keep him
Of course you try. The real question is will they be able to re-sign him without cash strapping the team for the future? It’s all about his asking price.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Why not...
Simply put Mario back on the line? Shift Antonio inside until our 1st/2nd round pick of 2012 is ready, and then let him (Smith) go after next year. What’s his contract situation?
"So, do you think of like, poetry while you're running? Like, you just running downfield and you just like, making a haiku?" - Brian Cushing
I'm not totally opposed to this idea.
That sounds sick if they(JJ?) can make adjustment to being on the necessary sides.
by IThinkItsIndecision on Nov 30, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Antonio is not good against the run.
Say what you will about Cody, but putting Smith inside in a 3-man front would lead to problems against the run. Even a permanent 4-man from with Watt and Smith inside would probably get gashed.
The Cody haters are fewer and farther between than they used to be
Afterall, he is the starting NT on the #1 D. That tends to silence the naysayers a bit. If the Texans lose, they will likely revive their voodoo chant and pull out the dolls and needles.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
by Rip Jersey on Dec 1, 2011 12:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
they will likely revive their voodoo chant and pull out the dolls and needles.
"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli
"If you really want something in life you have to work for it. Now quiet, they're about to announce the lottery numbers." -- Homer Simpson
"There is no rehab for stupid." -- Chris Rock
Never try to baptize a cat.
We aren't griping because you can only say the same thing so much before people stop listening
Plus, you know, there’s the whole injury to the QB thing dominating headlines.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Dec 1, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
kareem jackson agrees
- Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
"It's either gonna make you a man or a coward. One of the two. I'm a be a man. I ain't never seen a coward, heard a coward, coward not in ma vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Dec 1, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
He's also starting to pick up some of the David Anderson slack
By actually having a halfway decent sense of humor.
While I cringe at the talk of letting Mario go
and while I cringe at the thought of someone snatching up Wade Phillips as a head coach…
Talking about both these things is infinitely more interesting than talking about potential college football playoff scenarios and conference realignment. Which is still more interesting than baseball talk.
by WhiskeyR on Nov 30, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Flag!
Unsportsmanlike conduct!
by Its Gonna Happen on Nov 30, 2011 6:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Truth hurts
The Texan Floater, you wanna flush it but you can't.
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Whitest, I mean Best Front Seven in Football.
Tag
and trade…..
The Texan Floater, you wanna flush it but you can't.
Wade Aid Is the Best Drink in the League.
Whitest, I mean Best Front Seven in Football.
This ^
An elite pass rusher who can play in a 4-3 and a 3-4? Pretty valuable trade chip. Think Jared Allen to the Vikings.
This of course assumes the team would be comfortable with Reed/Barwin going forward. Not a given, but something to think about.
Kubiak believes in you
exactly
i’m saying keep mario i was saying look how it worked out for kansas city
I'm confused
KC runs a 3-4 defense, so why would they rather have a 4-3 DE pass rusher over a 3-4 OLB pass rusher?
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
tag and play
he might be better than what you have
granted
but at the price, we have quite a deal.
The Texan Floater, you wanna flush it but you can't.
Wade Aid Is the Best Drink in the League.
Whitest, I mean Best Front Seven in Football.
Ever think you would be posting that as short as just 3 months ago?
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
I dreamed of it, but never at this level...
They have so COMPLETELY outperformed my wildest expectations that I’m kinda’ at a loss to describe the feeling.
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
How many sacks does Barwin finish with?
I’m guessing 13.
I think Reed can finish with 10 or 11, easily, at the rate he’s been going.
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by Stupendous Man on Nov 30, 2011 3:01 PM CST via mobile reply actions
To me
It always seems like a race between 2 or 3 guys whenever there’s a sack. Like they were all right there and whoever recorded the sack just got there first.
by BricAM on Nov 30, 2011 3:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Exile
just wanna say, as an exiled Texan fan livin in Ft Worth, I am forced to listen to cowgirl talk everyday of the year! Nothing has made me happier than watching my team on satellite and seeing the transformation! Glad to be part of this page now, and could somebody please tell me what the hell BE-SF stands for (I hate those guys!!!!!)
by Reddguitar on Nov 30, 2011 3:34 PM CST reply actions 9 recs
Welcome!
It means Baby Eating Sister Fucker. Maybe someone less lazy than I will post the video for you. Its required watching.
Welcome!
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
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i shed tears
That was possibly the most accurate portrayal of everything beelzibud stands for. I will dance in the streets the day he dies. May they bury him far away from my city, lest I get drunk and pee on his grave nightly.
by HTown80 on Dec 1, 2011 12:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
...here's a glossary. It will help 'splain alot of the insanity....
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
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I gave Connor Barwin an award before he was cool.
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by TexansDC on Nov 30, 2011 3:53 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
can't call him unsung anymore though!
Is it time to consider moving JJ Watt to the nose and O’Williams to DE next year?
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
If Mary O'Williams gets re-signed
I’ll be interested in seeing if we move people around to get our 7 best players out on the field at once, or if we decide to rotate them in to keep them fresh.
by Tailgate Andy on Nov 30, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
OFFICALLY...
Starting the Mario to NT campaign. He has the size/speed to be the most disruptive NT in the game. Besides we complain about his zero ability to spin lack of a spin move on the edge rush. Imagine Mario Bull rushing the Center
The Texan Floater, you wanna flush it but you can't.
Wade Aid Is the Best Drink in the League.
Whitest, I mean Best Front Seven in Football.
I'd love to see a package that has him rushing up the middle...but not full time.
I think he crush most centers.
in 2012 SB...
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
What do ILB's do in a 3-4 defense that an OLB doesn't generally do as well?
Could we put Reed in as an ILB in certain rushing situations? Williams and Barwin rushing from the outside, Cushing and Reed from the inside with Smith and Watt getting pressure from the DE position. If we had a NT that either drew double teams, or could penetrate effectively, we’d be getting pressure on QB’s like no other.
Full disclosure: I have no idea about an ILB’s duties in the 3-4 defense, so this may very well be a ridiculous thought.
by Tailgate Andy on Nov 30, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
I think ILBs have a much bigger gap integrity responsibility
They have to read the play and choose what gap to attack in the interior of the line, whereas the OLBs are tasked more with pass-rushing and contain.
When the 3-4 goes to 3rd and long, generally one of the ILBs, Ryans, comes out and a nickel CB goes in
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
I repeatedly see this suggested
And I continue to think it’s a terrible idea. Disaster scenario with a decent chance of happening:
Mario comes back, you slot him at DE instead, and you move JJ inside. JJ struggles out of position, Mario gets hurt (inevitable), JJ is forced to move back outside, gets completely Cushing’d and sets his development at 3-4 end back a year.
JJ fits at DE. Obviously Antonio shouldn’t go anywhere. With how Reed and Barwin are playing it’s hard to envision Mario being worth what he’s going to command without a somewhat significant hometown discount.
Mario is a monster. Unfortunately, he’s about to become a very expensive monster who is prone to injury and inconsistent production.
by Andres_Johnson on Nov 30, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
JJ already moves inside on passing downs
he’ll be fine if he has to move around next year.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Imagine
Reed,Williams,Watt,Barwin as next years nickel pass rush.
The Texan Floater, you wanna flush it but you can't.
Wade Aid Is the Best Drink in the League.
Whitest, I mean Best Front Seven in Football.
And when teams run against our 4-man front, they usually have success.
Watt is an incredible 3-4 DE. Moving him would be a crime.
Smith will be gone
If we bring mario back as an end
The Texan Floater, you wanna flush it but you can't.
Wade Aid Is the Best Drink in the League.
Whitest, I mean Best Front Seven in Football.
Antonio has 2 years left
He signed a 5 year contract before the 2009 season. I don’t, however, know how the money was distributed or if he has some unrealistic guarantees on the back end.
If I had to choose between the two in this defense, with the personnel available, I’d choose the Ninja every time.
by Andres_Johnson on Nov 30, 2011 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
About Smith...
I’m sure I don’t have to remind of how great he has been rushing the passer this season, but PFO did an article on the most productive pass-rushers this season, and Smith came in at #1 from the inside (Watt was #10!). He’s 14th among all pass-rushers, and he’s the only 3-4 DE/4-3 DT to make the top 25.
Considering Mario’s injuries, Smith’s proven track record in the 3-4, and Reed’s productive play at OLB, I’m with Andres_Johnson here; gimme Smith.
Yep.
Average football fan doesn’t understand Smith’s value to this team. Even though the sack numbers have fallen off recently, that doesn’t even matter in the slightest, because those sacks aren’t going away, they just went to other players.
Antonio is a straight up baller, he’s a bulldog and every single damn play he is going to give you everything he’s got. He’s even cut out the stupid ass penalties this year while retaining the aggression.
by Andres_Johnson on Nov 30, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
why is it an either or?
like I said, move Watt inside to NT and play Mario at DE.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Watt is an incredible DE.
You don’t take a guy who has had immense success his rookie season and move him to another position. You’d also be moving Mario to his third position in as many years, and paying a 3-4 DE upwards of $14 million per year. It doesn’t work on several levels.
by Nashmeister on Nov 30, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed again
Remember how they thought they could move Mario all over the place early in his career and it just confused the shit out of him? It’s one thing to drop inside in nickel packages, but another thing to be a full time DT.
Remember how bad Cushing looked as an ILB in the 4-3? ILB in the 3-4 is a different deal, and he’s being used alot like a 4-3 OLB, which is why the position is fitting him so well – just run downhill at an assignment a lot of the time.
Completely different position/situation, but still, moving guys around when they are good where they are at is just not something you want to be doing.
by Andres_Johnson on Nov 30, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
But then...
there are the cases of Barwin and Quin.
The Texans definitely seem to value versatility in their recent drafts.
Agreed in this case though. Watt and Smith are playing the position they play best; no need to fix what isn’t broken.
Kubiak believes in you
so we sitt Reed while still having a huge hole at NT
yay
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
This.
Mediocre player at a two-down position. I can live with that.
Which also worries me about spend a high round draft pick on a two-down player
I could see a WR (Dwight Jones preferably) easily taken in the first round. However in the second, we’re faced with a couple of options. Do we draft a NT that may end up only being a 2-down player, draft an interior OL that could end up starting one day, or do we draft an ILB that fits Wade’s 3-4 system better than Demeco does? Or another scenario, do we trade Demeco for a late 1st/early 2nd round pick to so we can pick either between a NT & OL as well as draft his replacement? However, in this scenario, it may make things easier to pay Foster with Demeco gone while possibly giving us some negotiating room in cap space with Mario (probably not a lot, but maybe just enough).
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Dec 1, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting points
The best NT available will be Alameda Ta’amu, and he’s probably a first round pick. However, there are some interesting 2nd round options: Chapman (fits the small but athletic MO), Worthy (more of a 4-3 fit, but worth a look), etc.
As far as OL, Kubes has done a good job of building a very cost-efficient line, using mostly mid-late rounders & UFA’s (Brown being the exception). DeCastro is the only linemen I would draft in the first round.
Trading Demeco doesn’t really seem feasible. His deal’s too big, and he’s not that easily replaceable. Plus, think how good he could be next year once he’s fully healed. Still think Mario’s the more expendable one. That said, if you wanted to go ILB in the first, Kuechly and Te’o are worth a look.
Kubiak believes in you
Letting Mario go is still the worst idea ever, the only scenario I can see us parting with him is in a trade to an NFC team not named the Cowboys.
The thought of him in a Jags or Titans (don’t see Colts going after him with Freeney and Mathis) uni is unbearable.
There is no way to trade Mario
It was an idea floated early before we realized how fucking expensive it would be to franchise him.
The options are either let him walk or negotiate a long term deal, and I am NOT comfortable doing the latter.
by Andres_Johnson on Nov 30, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
It may not be up to us
Mario and his agent hold all the cards. They will set their asking price and it’ll be up to Smith and McNair to see if it fits in their long term plans.
Right now I’d say it’s 50/50
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Fixed
Mario is a monster (when he gets called out by the coach in the press, or when it’s a nationally televised game, or when it’s a contract year). Unfortunately, he’s about to become a very expensive monster who is prone to injury and inconsistent production.
by JMFC on Nov 30, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I gave his mother an award when he was born.
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Now that I've stopped laughing/choking
Great video!!!
Go Yates!!
by Reddguitar on Nov 30, 2011 3:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Sick!!!!!!
Yeah this D will be absolutley insane by having an entire offseason to learn wade’s system even more, adding a pro bowler in Mario, drafting a nose tackle in the first or second round of the draft, and most importantly having the entire offseason to allow players like Mario and demeco to get back to full health. And don’t forget about brandon Harris having had a full season to sit back and learn cb position. I honestly think he is better than kareem and will prove it on the field. All of these factors go the same for the offense. A full recooperation for schaub and dre as well as adding a #2 wr in the first or second round and an offensive guard in the third for competitive purposes. The combo of a healthy offense and defense spells LEGITIMATE Super Bowl contender………..KICK AZZ TEXANS!!!!!
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by jahunter221 on Nov 30, 2011 4:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
I've heard the Harris bit said by a lot of people it seems like
Why does everyone think he’s so freaking great? Not being an asshole, it’s an honest question. I just haven’t seen any evidence that he’s even starter material over KJ. And if he is, what are they saving him for? Emergency QB?
All that said, jahunter, I agree with your thrust. This defense has been an awesome surprise, and to think they are likely to get better gives me…lets just say makes me happy.
by JBal on Nov 30, 2011 5:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
schwing-rec
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
Seriously, as an OC, who do you scheme for?
With so many playmakers on the front 7, you can’t double just 1 guy like teams did before with Mario, and you certainly can’t bring enough protection to double all of them, so what’s an OC to do?
With that said, I’m very worried about the Kareem Jackson/Jason Allen vs Julio Jones matchup coming up.
have wee been shading the safeties to help Allen and/or K Jax?
this would seem to be a good game to do it.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Spread em out
and hope you have 6 guys are more athletic then our secondary(Being running backs out of the backfield, TE’s or WR’s)… Patriots???? but defiantly the Saints and the Packers… and hopefully not the Falcons
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We could...
just adopt the strategy employed by our opponents this year and assign someone to take him out. Roll his ankle in the first series… problem solved.
I’m only kidding… kinda… but I’m pretty pissed about the lack of consequences for Fat Albert. That guy is a proven assassin and the league should penalize that guy just for his “body of work” (pun intended) if for nothing else.
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
Anyone thinking of letting Mario walk should be shot
Sure we can do fine w/o him, where he walks to is what worries me the most. Keep in mind the Jags and Titans are in dire need of a premier pass rusher. I’d keep Mario just to not face him. We can only imagine what he could’ve done this season under Wade when lesser talent have done quite well.
by jkcheng122 on Nov 30, 2011 5:20 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
thank you sir
you don’t let talent like that walk away
Wade Phillips
All seriousness Wades Decision to stay here is bigger then any potential FA signings or departures, because he has brought the philosophy that anybody can get at the QB, not just one player as with past seasons.
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HE WAS THE NUMBER ONE OVERALL DRAFT PICK FOR A REASON!
Come on people, this is insane. Letting Mario go would be absolutely redonkulous. And I don’t EVER use the word redonkulous, just for reference on how redonkulous that idea would be. In fact, that was the only three times I have ever typed “redonkulous”, wait make that 4. I digress.
He is still so young, there is no way he could/should be considered anything close to a bust. He has had a few injuries, but it’s not like his injures have been career threatening. The man is a beast of herculean proportions, and when that freakish talent comes around, and you are lucky enough to have it in your hands, hold onto it brother. Hold onto it good and tight, if only to prevent from ever having to face this man down the road, when he has a few years with a defensive coordinator. When you think about all these youngsters on the defense, JJ Reed, Barwin,Quin, even McCain-Hell even throw the pilsbury dough boy Cody (who has been a very serviceable NT as of late), and you see what a good DC has been able to do with them, just imagine what he could do with all that is Mario. Lock this man down long term, and under Wade Phillip’s direction, unleash the greatest pass rushing OLB for the next 5-7 years.
Booyeah.
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by jstid911 on Nov 30, 2011 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I don't think anyone is making the argument that Mary O'Williams is a bust...
The situation is just the opposite. Just like Dunta (/spits on ground) Robinson and Vonta (I miss my Coke Machine) Leach, he has performed himself into high enough of a price bracket that we just may not be able to keep him and all of the other nice toys that we would like to have around (see: Foster, Arian).
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
But you are talking about keeping an undrafted free agent OVER the number one draft pick
No knock on Arian, I love what the guy has been able to do, would love to keep him on the team, and appreciate the player he has become, but in reality, the fact that he was picked up after the draft just says to me that most running backs can flourish in our system. Same system in Denver years ago. Instead of letting O’Williams walk, why not try to sign Foster and trade him? If we can get a RB in the draft (hell, after the draft looks promising too), why not get a couple draft picks for the guy and continuing with Tate and another young RB. Our system is built to let just about any RB come in a gash the opposing D. I think Arian has hit his ceiling. Granted it is a pretty high ceiling, I think Mary was just starting to show what he can do under a good great DC, and IMO has a ceiling so high, it would put hiim in an elite category, and be in a position to be a HOF’er by the end of his career.
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We are in violent agreement on Mary O'Williams' value...
We differ in our understandings of the impact of signing Mary. I was firmly in the “pay him” camp until it became clear that he has performed himself into a price bracket that would be financially CRIPPLING (not just “pricey” or “expensive”, but literally financially devastating) to the team to franchise tag him. As I have said elsewhere, if he has developed some kind of affection for Houston that motivates him to be reasonable, then pay him. But if it boils down to the highest dollars available on the market for a DE, then keeping him will just GUT our ability to pay the rest of the team.
Basing a player’s value to the team on where they were or weren’t drafted is silly so I’m not going to waste a lot of time recounting the late round gold (Tom Brady) or the first round busts (Mittens, Travis Johnson, Ryan Leaf, Purple Drank, and on and on and on…) that refute that thinking.
While this system is good for running backs I think that you are significantly under-valuing the special talents that VREEK has. Steve Slaton was killer in this system and then stopped being so killer. The system helps, but the talent of the runner is fundamental to their success.
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
by DilloTex on Dec 1, 2011 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow!
Unexpected reasoning….
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
You forgot the @ signs
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
I'm not following
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Was expecting sarcasm...
My mistake…
/friendly wag
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
Would it help if I tell you I was shaking my head?
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Nope... just more confused
SQUIRREL!!!
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
What happened to "pay him whatever it takes!"
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
I don't think I've said THAT...
I have said pay him fairly for his contribution… If I actually used the phrase “pay him whatever it takes!” then I succumbed to a moment of terminally contextually ignorant hyperbole and beg forgiveness.
But also… I’ve recently been educated re: the possibility that his one-year franchise tag number would exceed $20MM. That number is a context-changer.
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
I'm sorry, but making an argument
on how much players should be paid based on where they were drafted and not how they play now/how valuable they are to the team is fucking retarded.
The system helps, but it’s not all the system. You plug in a guy, you get Mike Bell. You plug in a great, you get Terrell Davis.
by Andres_Johnson on Dec 2, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent point about Bell and Davis
This system can produce 1,000 yard running backs out of average guys like Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell, and Rueben Droughns. But you hit on a Terrell Davis, or dare I say an Arian Foster, and now you’ve got Super Bowl championship potential.
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And you are right, we have a lot of nice toys to play with in Houston right now
and it is so frustrating to know that we have all the talent in the world, and have to give all these toys to a kid that probably has sticky dirty little hands, and nobody likes their toys all nasty like that. So now the wheels may not turn as fast, all the parts might not work right, and our toys, no matter how cool they are, just don’t work right. This has turned into an anti-Yates comment, and it was not meant to be. #Kubiakbelievesinyou
My point is Defense wins championships. If we have the opportunity to improve this #1 defense without the draft, we could go get new toys on offense, and sure up gaps on the defense (NT, DB?-not many holes IMO)
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ILB
I think Ryans is on the downside of his career and that is a very important position in the future of this team
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Yup
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
Don't get me wrong, he is still a valid player
And, I like Sharpton. But, depthwise and carrying forward. We know Cushing gets banged up and his knees are suspect for the long term. They need a new stud. I love what Wade is doing and has been able to do. With his expertise, I can see him drafting well for this position.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
It seems our IR could almost field its own team.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Dec 1, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
This is true.
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Dec 1, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'm hopeful that we are all giddily surprised by TJ Yates over the next few weeks.
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim." - George Santayana
don't know if I can do "giddilly"
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
by Rip Jersey on Dec 1, 2011 12:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
It is incredibly short sighted to not at least consider the possibility that it may not be economically viable. If there is a way to re-sign him without handcuffing the franchise in the long term then I’m all for it, but so far nobody has offered up a good argument other than “well everyone can just restructure their deals” or “he’ll give us a discount because he loves the Texans so much.” Really? Are you sure? Is it that simple?
Also, I’d like to reiterate that simply having an open discussion about this subject does not mean we want Mario gone. I know a lot of times people get their panties in a wad. It’s just a discussion.
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We've Talked About This On BRR Before
And I’m sure we’ll have a bunch of posts/debate about it over the offseason, but I don’t think Super Mario is a Texan in 2013.
Not because the Texans wouldn’t love to keep him. Simply because there is a finite amount of resources, and there are other guys who will be deemed harder to replace than Mario Williams in Wade Phillips’ 3-4.
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Yes, And We Don't Know The Exact Numbers Yet
I’m currently of the mind that they’ll tag him as opposed to getting nothing for him.
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It would be the smart move
Here’s to hoping Rick Smith can can work some salary cap magic
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Probably will end up being that non-exclusive franchise tag
If someone wants him bad enough to give us 2 first round picks for him, should the Texans match that deal or take the picks?
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Dec 1, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Something tells me New England would jump at that deal
Especially with how they play the draft, they can easily make up the loss of two 1st round picks
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Dec 1, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather take picks from someone who drafts earlier in the first than NE likely does.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Dec 1, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Kansas City & Cincy could do that as well
They both have tons of cap space, but in Cincy’s case, they already have the insurance because they got two 1st round picks from Oakland for Carson Palmer
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Dec 1, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
I'd Take The Picks
I love Mario, but two first-rounders (which I have a hard time believing any team would pay) for a player who you probably can’t afford to pay anyway considering the other guys who need to be taken care of (Foster, D. Brown, Cushing, etc.) is a deal I wouldn’t be able to turn down.
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Cincy is the only team I see that would roll the dice with that move
They have the cap space & they also have two first round picks from the Raiders, so they can handle giving up the picks for Mario
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Dec 2, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
I know I'm not the brightest crayon...
But I don’t see the point of not tagging Williams. He knows he’s been paid well and I don’t see him pitching a fit at hybrid price for a championship contender. Fosters not going to ask #1 player money. Our offseason should be remarkably simple and uneventful as far signing and cap go.
That said with 1 season and 1.5 offseason to get this much talent to learn wades techniques and objectives, I think we’re looking at some dilfer level championship defense.
by IThinkItsIndecision on Nov 30, 2011 5:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I tend to agree.
The way I’d GM the off-season is:
Evaluate and shake underperformers out of the WR tree to free up some money.
Evaluate and cut defensive backs who haven’t shown growth in performance that indicates 4 to 8 year value (with a strong focus on K-Jax, Jason Allen, Shiloh Keo and Brandon Harris). Cut and replace as needed with draft and FA. After seeing how good a top CB can be in JJ, there’s just no reason to hold on to anyone who can’t show progress at a critical position.
Give Foster a great 5 year deal.
Tag Mario and tell him to get through 2012 uninjured with continued strong performance and we can talk about a long term deal. His injuries each year (even playing injured) are a concern for the type of money he’s going to want.
Draft a top WR to give ’Dre something on the other side to break off the double team attention.
Bring in a NT to compete with Cody and Mitchell.
We need more depth at OL positions to keep the train moving, so handle that through draft and FA.
That’s really about it assuming we get all the injured folks back 100%.
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Word is, very little.
The cap isn’t set to increase by much. It should come as no surprise since they had to restructure several players to make things work this year, but next year is going to be tricky. Can you work a massive Mario contract into the mix? Sure. But you’re only delaying the inevitable. And if you think ahead a couple years, you have to ask the question: will re-signing Mario prevent you from re-signing Cushing, Barwin, and Quin? Because right now, those guys are demonstrating their importance to this defense.
by Nashmeister on Nov 30, 2011 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Boom. Nailed it.
This is spot on.
You sign Mario, you’re going to let multiple of our young, awesome defensive starters walk in the near future. For a (slightly) aging, (often) gimpy, but (very) talented SINGLE player.
The way this defense has played after he went out tells me all I need to know. If the choice is Mario now or Cushing/Barwin/Quin in a couple years, it’s not even a choice for me. I don’t even think twice. Let the guy walk.
by Andres_Johnson on Nov 30, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
straight to the Titans
or the Jags… great idea amirite? lets let AJ walk too… WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG.. sorry but If Mario is leaving not only do I want us to control where he’s going, but get draft picks too.
You're proposing something which isn't an option
I believe that it would be unwise for us to invest so much money in a player that isn’t of vital importance to the defense. So the other option is let him walk.
I can’t remember what the number is, but Mario’s cap number under the franchise tag is not only ridiculous – it’s literally going to be impossible for the Texans to afford with their current cap situation. There was a nice article with details floating around a month or two ago.
Also, your counter argument is nonsense – no one is suggesting letting every star player walk. Obviously, Andre is much more valuable to this team than Mario is. I don’t think anyone will debate that. I also think we need to pay Foster more than we need to pay Mario.
by Andres_Johnson on Nov 30, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
Remember though that as the years go by, less and less cap room will be devoted to rookie contracts
Since the rookie wage scale drastically reduces what has to be spent signing draft picks.
Fine
But that just means free agent prices will go up. That was the whole point of the rookie contract in the first place. That’s also the nature of superstar contracts – the big guys always get paid first, so I’d guess you’ll see a disproportionate absolute gain as a result of the new CBA to the top players, and the midlevel players will end up making more, but not much more, than what they were making before.
Franchises have to make tough decisions like this all the time. It’s not a case of “they don’t take care of their guys,” because I fully expect they’ll take care of Arian, and Cush soon after. Mario just is NOT important enough to this team to give him what he’s going to want.
by Andres_Johnson on Nov 30, 2011 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
VERY much agreed
We’re not discounting Mario’s talent. He’s a freak, no one can deny that. But his “importance” to this team is a myth. And frankly, it always has been. This year is merely the proof.
Watt, Reed, Smith et. al. might not have the talent that Mario does, but their motor and relentlessness is what makes this defense what it is. Mario doesn’t have that. Never has, never will.
It may necessitate the need to draft an OLB to make up for the depth you lose, but when you add it all up (value, need, injuries,cap room, the need to pay others), it just makes more sense to let another team pay him.
Kubiak believes in you
RE: drafting OLB's
I’m not worried about that. I believe OLB will always be targeted as long as we run a 3-4.
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Exactly what the Carolina Panthers had to come to terms with regarding Peppers
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that was different
carolina was shit and peppers had been franchised twice or something to that. just imagine how much better this defense will be with mario. even if we lose depth you still have to account for him. what he contributes to this defense is a whole new level.
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Dec 1, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Imagining
I’ve got a huge imagination and I can think of a lot of things that give me a chubby, but that doesn’t change the hard reality of the situation. Imagine what Mario’s contract will do to the long term future of the team if we over pay him and his body continues to break down.
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he is a rare hybrid
someone will always want his contract if he ever breaks down. plus we can always release if he gets really bad and will have only paid a portion of his contract
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Dec 1, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
It's not as different as you think
At least with regard to the price. Mario’s pay this year was very high, and the franchise number is the greater of either his franchise slotted value, or something like 150% of his pay (just off the top of my head). It makes his franchise number like 16 million for next year.
by Andres_Johnson on Dec 2, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly what I've been trying to get at without pissing in everyone's cheerios
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You may be correct
I love how Uncle Bob just completely annihilated all the talk of “does he really want to win?” in one off season. The Texans are riding the salary cap by the skin of their balls, and they spent some damn good money this offseason.
by Andres_Johnson on Nov 30, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
Two drawbacks
1. The pricetag it comes with. At that point, I think you’d have to trade him, because I don’t think we’d have the cap room to pay him that money.
2. “Pay me Rick” 2.0. Not that Mario is that immature, but the players’ disdain for the tag is well-documented. And while I hardly give a damn about their desire for that one extra zero, we don’t need to go through a situation like that again.
I think the tag is still the best option. But at the end of the day, I would not be surprised if he’s played his last game as a Texan.
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One other thing to consider
is how this year’s injury affects his market value. It certainly can’t be helping it.
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I was thinking about that as well
But a torn pectoral muscle isn’t usually considered to be a long term concern. It takes a while to heal but usually a player comes back as good as before. However, his history of injuries would be a bigger determining factor. He has had quite a few, and teams will consider that, but I don’t think it’ll have that much of an overall impact on his price tag. Someone will be willing to pay him what he wants.
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by WreckNTexan on Nov 30, 2011 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Pretty sure it doesn't.
A player’s contract and cap hit move with the trade, I believe.
This is pretty Awesome
For a player that only played 3 games in the month.
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Rookie Pay scale
I think having this in effect will give organizations the opportunity to take more chances on rookies with out the huge draw back of paying them crazy amounts of money.
I mean KJ would be less of a bust he if didn’t cost as much, seriously he is making as much as Watt is not to mention that he was selected like 10 picks later.
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You Texans are doing really well!
congratulations, it might be Broncos-Texans in the AFC Championship Game if t hings stay on their present course!
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Matchup of the century
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it really would be!
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 30, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
I'm ignorant to cap vs salary
does a signing bonus count against the salary cap?
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Not an expert, but...
I don’t think so. In fact, bonuses are usually a means of getting around the cap.
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It does...
But it gets prorated over the course of the deal. So if you have a player with a very high base salary for a particular year, you can restructure the deal with a massive signing bonus and it lessens the impact in the short-term. Of course, it all catches up with you at some point…
The other issue (or perk, if you’re a player) is that signing bonuses are guaranteed. It makes it tough to cut players if they don’t perform; you still have to pay up, and the remainder of the deal then counts against the cap immediately.
So of course, when you’re talking about handing out a heavy signing bonus, you’d better be sure the player is self-motivated. DeMeco, Andre, Schaub, etc. But Mario? I hesitate.
by Nashmeister on Nov 30, 2011 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
could the signing bonus incude an incintive clause?
being prorated and all it seems like it could, or it should.
Beer, it's not just for breakfast anymore
They do, but not in the same way the non-guaranteed portion counts toward the cap per each of the contract.
However, if the player is cut or traded with multiple years left on the contract, the remaining guaranteed money gets combined and added to next year’s cap. This is part of the reason why Washington waited so long to get rid of Haynesworth, they waited until they paid him enough bonuses that he doesn’t hurt their cap.
I don’t know how the guaranteed money works though if you cut someone and they get claimed off waivers by another team.
Where I get confused though
is whether bonuses count towards guaranteed money. That does count against the cap.
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My understanding is...
Bonuses count in the year they are earned. So…
Signing bonuses are amortized over the life of a contract.
Incentive bonuses count in the year the incentive is reached and paid.
Thank you, TDC.
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What happened to the rumor about the Texans laying down in the month of Novemeber?
Question is directed to BESF fans, by the way.
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There's a flaw in this, Jordann
You assume BESF fans can read.
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Bazinga!
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- Former ‘idiot kicker’ Mike Vanderjagt in trouble after accosting junior-high heckler
- Adrian Peterson blows teammates away in footraces; appears to be on the mend
- UPDATE: Charlie Sheen didn’t buy Lawrence Taylor’s Super Bowl ring
- Alex Smith gets blown up by Jon Beason over Cam Newton comments
