Thoughts on (Another) Loss, Gary Kubiak, and Officials
by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 24, 2011 6:23 AM CST
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Pretend for a moment that you are a heavy smoker. You have tried to quit several times over the years but you just can't shake the habit. One day you go to the doctor and you get some bad news: you have lung cancer. The doctor tells you that they can save you, but they have to take out a lung. Naturally, you agree to this. You go to the hospital for the operation. They put you under and perform the surgery. When you wake up, however, the surgeon tells you that they have mistakenly taken out the wrong lung (don't laugh - it has happened before).
Naturally, you are shocked, and more than a little bit concerned because the doctor accidentally took out your good lung, leaving you with the cancerous one to keep you breathing. You weigh your options and decide to pursue a malpractice lawsuit. You go to court and explain what happened. The surgeon's defense? He says, Well, you should have known better than to smoke in the first place.
This is the best analogy I can find for the last Texans game. Want to find out why? Follow me across the jump... if you dare.
I think it's fair to say that no judge in their right mind would buy the surgeon's defense. Yet it's true, people who don't smoke are much less likely to get lung cancer than people who do. The surgeon, as a person whose job it is to remove people's cancerous lungs while leaving behind their non-cancerous ones, has a job to do regardless of whether or not the patient put him- or herself in a particular situation by their behaviors.
So it is also with referees. They have a job to do, just like football coaches and players. The world of sports has officials because within its narrow confines there is undoubtedly right and wrong. It is the job of the official to police the line between right and wrong and to punish players when they cross that line. So when an official blows a call, he has failed to do his job in exactly the same way as Arian Foster does when he fumbles the football, Neil Rackers does when he misses a kick, or T.J. Yates when he throws an interception.
Yet for some reason, a large segment of the fanbase insists that people should not gripe about the officiating, even when the Texans (or whatever team they are supporting) are on the wrong end of a series of clearly bad calls, such as - to pick one example out of the ether - a blatant offensive pass interference no less than five yards in front of the official whose job it is to see these things. There is no point in complaining about the officials, they say, when the Texans should have scored more points, played better defense, etc etc etc.
Nonsense. The officials have a job to do and it is perfectly legitimate to point it out when they fail and speculate about the consequences. We do it when Kareem Jackson gets beat deep for the umpteenth time. We do it when Chris Brown is asked to throw a pass despite never having done so in his professional career. We do it when Gary Kubiak mystifies us with his play calling. When J.J. Watt gets flagged for more than one phantom unnecessary roughness penalty and Johnathan Joseph gets his shirt pulled right in front of the official without a flag, the only correct response in my book is to point out that the official got it wrong. And when officials get it wrong, winnable games can become lose-able ones.
Now, those who argue that we should worry about playing better rather than the officials have a point. And that's the other salient part of the metaphor I led this post with: much like the person with lung cancer probably shouldn't have been smoking in the first place, the Texans most certainly could have played better as well. Ben Tate, for example, was bad, although I suspect the o-line had a lot more to do with it. Likewise, I may be alone in this, but I think that JJow has not been playing as well as he did in the beginning of the season. Kareem Jackson may be getting better at running with his man, but he turns his head about as well as Frankentsein's monster.
By the same token, I have to scratch my head at some of Kubiak's game-planning. T.J. Yates had a pretty good game by the numbers (13/16 for 132 yards and 8.3 ypa). It boggles me that Kubes only let him air it out 16 times. I understand that he is going up against Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis, but at a certain point, when the offense is looking at eight-man front after eight-man front, would it kill him to run a few more pass plays? I understand that, particularly as the game wore on, killing the clock was important, but when you have a) a running back who is gouging yards; b) an opponent who is clearly gearing up to stop the run; and c) an arsenal of amazing tight ends, a play action pass for (at least) eight yards is just as as effective as a run for two, clock be damned. After all, a first down is worth more than a three-and-out.
I would take this right now if it meant winning a playoff game (via firewadephillips.com)
Here's what I hope Kubes does in the next game: realizing that we're basically locked into the third seed, I hope Kubes puts his trust in Yates a little more. While his line from the last game screams "game manager" I think that's giving Weejay the short shrift. We know Weejay has the ability to make accurate deep throws and is mobile. It's time to let him loose. Sure, he runs the risk of getting hurt, but so does every player on every play or even in practice. Let's see what T.J. can do. Maybe he'll suck. So what. He's shown that he's resilient enough to handle it. It's just as likely, though, that he'll play pretty well and learn some new things that could come in handy in the playoffs. Plus, with Wade Phillips coming back to the sideline soon (and let's be honest, it's pretty clear that he has had a HUGE hand in our team's success so far) T.J. is going to have a little more margin for error than he did in the last two games.
So waddaya say, Gary? Are you with me? Let's see what T.J. can do.
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Hope means you have no fucking control over something
And, in the case of Gary Kubiak hope means you know fucking well he is going to do what he always does, so why bother hoping for something else.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
You're sexy when you're passionate.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 24, 2011 7:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I purchased the DVD set Archer Season 1 last night and have been watching it....
$14.99 at Target for those interested. That’s a good buy and why pay postage for it online and have to wait for it?
Actually, Grind, I totally share your sentiments. For TJ to grow, Kubiak has to grow, too, though. I think that is where you are going. But, for Kubiak to grow, he has to break out of his comfort zone. And, isn’t that what winning is all about? The winner, more times than not, is the guy or guys that do something special. Not the guy or guys that operate inside their comfort zone and just do what they’ve become accustomed to do. That could just be me talking, but I think as an observer of everything Kubiak, that guy is not Kubiak. Let’s look around the league. Look at New Orleans and Sean Payton. They know how to mix it up on offense, don’t they? Sure, Payton has Drew Brees and TJ is no Drew Brees. But, how are you going to beat those guys? Doing what you always do or taking some chances? I think you have to take some chances and bust out or the box! If you try to play it close, you have almost nil chance of beating those guys. So, yes, let TJ try to stretch the field and use every asset at his disposal. Maybe stretch the assets a little further than you feel comfortable doing. It’s not about feeling comfortable. It’s about winning. Play winning football!!!!!
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Indy
had the play action roll out on lock.
Being more creative with the playbook will have to happen if we are to expect any success in the post season. By the 4th quarter thursday it was just depressing to watch the same plays over and over again.
Division Champion Houston Texans
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
I think this is why Foster was running so well on many plays
They were keeping some run protection on watch for the play action roll out. Every time Yates rolled out, there was a defender there to greet him.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Defenses
have made adjustments to the Texans’ tendencies. They’re guarding against cutbacks on runs, and now they’re guarding against roll outs. It’s on Kubes to adjust the offense and throw some new things in there, but how many adjustments can Weejay handle at this point?
Also, I suspect that most people would’ve complained if Kubes tried passing a lot and failed when Foster was gaining big chunks of yards. “Why didn’t he run Foster more against a crappy run defense?” is exactly what they would’ve said, especially if Weejay threw a couple of picks.
A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving
by Foster Child on Dec 24, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Fat Chance
he will keep the short leash on.
He likes to infuriate the fans with his decisions.
Division Champion Houston Texans
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
There's plenty of issues from the last 2 games to fill Tecan nation with angst
but I’m gonna stay positive. With better officiating we win the Indy game. No way that stinking crew makes it to the playoffs. Wade returning to the sideline restores some order to the D. A little better distribution of assignments on the last possession makes a huge difference.
TGC you are on point that the play calling was too conservative, but that is Kube’s nature. He doesn’t GO for it unless he has to. We didn’t have to win that game. Should have and undeniably there was reason to do so, but the season was not riding on it, nor is it in the next game. That being said I do hope that Kubiak will throw more if TJ is faced with 8 man fronts. The kid needs to get geared up for what is about to be the next biggest game in franchise history. We can’t go out and lay an egg in the 1st ever postseason game at Reliant. We just can’t.
It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are OVERDUE to get to the playoffs, much less the big big dance...Go Texans!!!!!
by oiler-texan diehard on Dec 24, 2011 7:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions
You are a prophet OTD, "Lay an egg in the 1st ever postseason game at Reliant."
damn you….
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
OK change can't to WON'T
Seriously I do not expect the Texans we saw in the last 2 games to show up in the playoffs. A decent game against the Titans would be a nice confidence booster for everyone, that and a healthy Dre. He needs a practice round to stretch his legs before the real season starts.
It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are OVERDUE to get to the playoffs, much less the big big dance...Go Texans!!!!!
by oiler-texan diehard on Dec 24, 2011 8:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well, you are onto something here in another sense
“postseason game at Reliant”
That is just a formality, isn’t it? There will be a postseason game at Reliant! Right?
Dre will have a postseason game at Reliant!
Stretch those legs, Dre!
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
I am beginning to fear that the Kubes we have seen this year is the same one we have seen every year
He has just had Wade and a good defense to hide it some. These last two games without Wade have not helped to quiet that fear either. I hope he has some kind of plan that I am just not seeing…
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
by Mumford on Dec 24, 2011 9:14 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
me to bro
Jules=Now I want you to go in that bag and find my wallet
Ringo=which one is it
Jules=the one that says bad mother fucker!
by jtr bmf 281 on Dec 24, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
We must remember the Kubes has been to the big show twice as an OC.
He has lived this and seen mistakes other teams have made. He’s crafty sly that one…
and a qb whisperer…
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Frustration
Sets in as I was watching that last drive, while screaming at the TV wondering if the officials were actually seeing the same game I was. Defense was gassed, but seem to be making the plays, but Indy kept getting second chances. Early Christmas gift to Indy from the Officials…
We're capping a brilliant and enjoyable season with a footlong turd in the punchbowl at the party,
but the NFL refs have pushed me over the edge this season. They make the NBA and pro-wrestling events look legit with the blatant calls and non-calls.
It’s very simple, the refs are either completely inept or completely corrupt and make the NFL look rigged, which is not a product I’ll invest passion and money into if it continues.
NFL referee corruption is disgusting! I'm done as a season ticket holder until it gets cleaned up!
It all starts at the top..... and the NFL Rules Committee
You speak of turds, well how about a whole load of 3" turds in the puchbowl? Does that make it any more sumptuous? (Sorry, been watching season 1 of Archer….) Sure, they fucked up kickoffs this season. But, everything they have done in the past three seasons for the sake of player safety is coming to fruition! And, if your team isn’t conforming to the new rules and the new ways that they are enforced, then you’re team is going to be penalized!!! (Yes, I’m yelling using Archer’s voice)
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
your, you're, who cares!
Dipshit pedantic grammar nazis!
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Ve haff vays
of makink you punctuate.
A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving
by Foster Child on Dec 24, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
This said by Mr. Spellcheck
That’s “summarization”
spell check anyone?
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I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 24, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
In case you haven't noticed, I've purposely misspelled a word in each of my posts
just to get him going.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
hee, hee...
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
I figured that
Or that damned auto-correct
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 24, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree with this....If I read it right
I think the addition of all these rules has so diluted the effectiveness of the intent, that it backfired. Additionally, the plethora of new rules, plus the subjective nature of their interpretation, better facilitates corruption. Since there are more rules, and more subjetive, it is easier for officials to call what they want, then justify it with some convoluted explaination.
We see the same thing in society. So many laws and rules, people don’t have to think or be responsible for themselves. They just defer to the legal system. This opens the door for corrupt officials to arbitrarily make rules and then veil them under some codified law.
//no politics…just sayin
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
So turds isn't strong enough?
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Correct, it should include some appropriate adjectives
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
cinnamonny?
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Corn filled?
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 24, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Sugar pea green?
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
maybe if I were.... a COW!
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
has anyone noticed that I am continuing to use "Archer-voice" in my posts?
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
We need to create an Archer-voice font
similar to the sarcasm font
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by TheLastDynasty on Dec 24, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I was thinking more like...
Stinking, smelly, runny, malformed, inconsistent…etc.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
We're talking garnish in the punch bowl here....
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
what we are doing, is scraping the bottom of the barrel for stuff to talk about
I need a beer.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
When you descibe them like that, they tend to start not being turds anymore
I picture a turd as having shape and not running into the next turd
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Ahhh...I thought that is what you were implying
when you mentioned the 3 turds in the punchbowl.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
3" turds, young man, as in they were inadequate when compared to an obviously manly 12" turd
It really takes something out of the punchline when I have to explain it every time.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
I get it now. I completely missed that (totaly out of character).
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Blaming the officials is a fool's errand
Yes the officials cost the Texans the game, but the Texans put themselves in that spot. So next time don’t smoke – thats the real moral of the story. Although the league does need to do something about the officiating, it’s affecting everyone, not just us.
The bigger issue is Kubiak. (and I fullty support the man, did last year ans still do) For us to get past the first round, Yates needs to be ready to throw dow the field, convert on 3rd down, and pass 25 times a game, minimum. Kubiak is not getting Yates ready with his candy ass game planning. If he doesn’t feel like Yates is ready to do these things, he needs to pull him and get Garcia ready.
It’s shit or get off the pot time. Texans, even without MS, can play with anyone in the AFC. There is no dominate team this year – unlike the NFC that has at least two if not three.
santa slept with an unclean woman
by the talking walnut on Dec 24, 2011 9:47 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
good summerization of what the article said
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
That's "summarization"
spell check anyone?
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
We're back in the ancient Mideast.
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"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Dec 24, 2011 10:53 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
but it's a dry heat....
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Yes, there are no cuneiform keys so I had to improvise
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Man with eagle head, eyeball, lady with arms at odd angles,
man with eagle head facing a different direction, different kind of eyeball, squiggly lines.
Translation: Merry Christmas, everyone!
A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving
by Foster Child on Dec 24, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I rec'd this
Even though you’re writing in hieroglyphics and not cuneiform.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 24, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Toh-may-toe Toh-maw-toe
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 24, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
This is the kind of thing I think is nonsense.
It is in no way a fool’s errand to expect the refs to do their job properly while at the same time criticizing your team.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 24, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
As I remember things
he colts got at least ten points off drives the officials kept alive with their bad penalty calls. If the game had been called fairly it would have looked a lot different.
Occupied north Texas is so forsaken that S print can’t even put up a decent number of towers here.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Dec 24, 2011 9:50 AM CST via Android app reply actions
The colts got 3 point on their own.
6 of their points were the indirect result of bad calls (leaving us in bad field postion) and 10 points were the direct result of bad calls (the final touchdown, and the FG off the earlier PI on Joseph [if that was joseph]).
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
After the first garbage roughing the passer on Watt
I think I saw the defense get a lot more conservative for several drives. We’ve had some poorly officiated games this year, but none in which the officials completely dominated the game as in this one.
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"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Dec 24, 2011 10:10 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
The call on Joseph
was the direct result of Joseph giving the moron official hell after the bullshit call on Watt.
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by Foster Child on Dec 24, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
That is an excellent observation
I forgot that that happened right after that. and I remember him yelling at the official.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
do i get bonus points for useing "that" three out of eight words in a sentence
and it is still coherent?
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
thought you were stutterin...
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
I would place a huge amount of credence to this statement...
The referees are your frienz….they have certainly used it to their advantage earlier in the year, when we have benefitted from some bad calls.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
When I was an MP in the army
one of the first things they told me when I got to the unit was "Never write a ticket to a cook, parachute packer, or mechanic.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Or a medic
You may need him worse than anyone
I know dumb cops who have written tickets to paramedics – what morons!
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 24, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Great article, tDC
Thank you for pointing out what the haters seem happy to ignore, and that’s that the refs get paid to do a job also. And when they do it poorly they can change the outcome of a game as surely as an 80-yard touchdown or pick-6.
Secondly, regarding Kubiak’s conservative play-calling, I’d like to remind everyone that we only had three days to get ready for this game, one of which was a travel day. I don’t know what goes into game-planning for an NFL game, but I have to think that Kubiak simply didn’t have the necessary time to correct all the flaws he saw in Yates’ playing we saw in the Carolina game. But now we have 10 days until the Titans game, so hopefully we’ll see a different Yates then. Oh, and we’ll be getting back that receiver, Andrew What’s-His-Name.
The say the f**king smog is the f**king reason you have such beautiful f**king sunsets. - Ray Barboni
and might I add
they get paid between $30,000 and $90.000 to do one game per week. Hours-wise, including 4 hour travel time per game, that comes out to about $250 per hour. This is in addition to working their regular job (Hochuli is a lawyer).
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
uh, I forgot to point out
that the $250/hour is the low end of the scale
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
I had to reread this to make sure it was right.
The injury report Wednesday had 26 names on it, including three who were marked out (Johnson, Brisel, and Nolan). I saw at least three hamstring injuries, including Joseph and Tate. It is good they have a lot of time off.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Dec 24, 2011 10:17 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Correction, 4 out.
I forgot McMannis.
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"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Dec 24, 2011 10:52 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
This article reminded me
Why I quit being an NBA fan (long before the “scandal” broke). When officiating blatantly determines the outcome of close games, and shows favoritism – it just makes games not fun to watch.
What does amaze me, is that there are idiots out there that think in some form or fashion that the play of TJ Yates in the last game was responsible for the outcome. Really? Were those people even watching the same game? I saw one mistake made by our 3rd string 5th round draft pick ™ many other issues were elsewhere.
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 24, 2011 10:09 AM CST reply actions
The team report said that fans were calling for Kubes to bench Yates for Delhomme
I don’t know where they got that, unless they trying to establish the by-line. I’ve read comments all over the place. Yahoo, ESPN, the Chomical…and most of the comments are directed at Kubes. Very few are saying anything like that about Yates.
There were some that were saying to try Delhomme out (which is rediculous), but I didn’t see all that many that were anagonistic to Yates. Certainly not enough to say the consensus of the fans is to bench him.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
*antagonistic
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
I think he was referring to the few here that were calling for DH.
I also saw a few of the chron orcs suggesting such.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Ya, I was agreeing with him. Yates was not the problem
His game numbers are outstanding for any QB, much less a rooky. Additionally, he has more good games than bad 3-1, numbers-wise.
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by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Yet, his inaccuracy as a passer has been skewed by those wins
puts your rooky in check
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
The recievers didn't help him much against the Panthers...
Although they sure showed up last week. They (OC’s) only got the ball downfield into Foster’s hands three times last week.
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Like the team, I would like to throw the last game out the window
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Doesn't look that inaccurite to me
48% at Atlanta (Matty ice had 42%), 59% at Cincy, 63% against Carolina, then 56% at Indy.
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by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
still fishin' eh?
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
60% completion rate is not inaccurate
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Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 24, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Okay, I will agree with your stat of 60%
The word I should have used is “wild,” as in, his wildness as a passer, as evidenced by his propensity to overthrow the receiver, that I pray will not be intercepted, were covered up by the three early wins.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
He has had some over throws
I think unfortunately they have worked with him to correct that. I say unfortunately, because I am positive the 1st int in the Carolina game was due to the “correction”
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I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 24, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
I'm cool with that
but I think that will get better as he gets more used to the receivers and to playing NFL level.
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by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
You can have my rooky
But stay away from my wooky.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 24, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
TWSS
she being Leah
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by Barryfromtexas on Dec 24, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
rec for Star wars reference
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Raise your hand if you originally saw Star Wars in the theater!
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Me! me!
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by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
I would be one of those
The 70’s was a wonderful decade
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Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 24, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
What's sad is that I have also seen every single James Bond movie in the theater too
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by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
I was about 5 or 6 when I saw RotJ in a theater
My first movie experience. Gave me nightmares.
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by distant_texans_fan on Dec 24, 2011 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
i saw a ton at the chron calling for delhomme
But it is the chron so that’s expected.
by Dmo_Htx on Dec 24, 2011 10:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
the chron writers or the chron posters?
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
I have seen them here
And heard some knucklheads while listening t the radio when driving
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I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 24, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Yes
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by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
I was wondering if Yates might have been hurt and couldn't throw
That would justify benching him.
But maybe it was just Kub sucking.
He was listed as shoulder injury.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Dec 24, 2011 11:38 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
not to bust up the conversation here but...
Open Thread:
http://www.battleredblog.com/2011/12/24/2659331/christmas-eve-football-open-thread#comments
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Normally I'm the first to stand up for the Refs
But, well. Look. I don’t know if I can go against them completely.
The letter of the law is where I place my blame. In particular, the law regarding helmet to helmet contact with the QB. It needs fixing, It should only protect the QB “During or following a normal passing motion.” If the QB tucks and runs, he is a runner and should only be protected as a runner.
So the call was bullshit, but only because the letter of the law is. In the NCAA there would be the ability for the Rules committee to put out an Approved Ruling to cover such cases until the actual rule is re-written.
In conclusion, the Personal Foul against JJ Watt was ridiculous.
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by distant_texans_fan on Dec 24, 2011 11:50 AM CST reply actions
Haven't they done something similar heading into the playoffs in the past?
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
It wouldn't surprise me
They have the ability to do it. But doing so basically calls the officials stupid, so they don’t like to advertise.
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by distant_texans_fan on Dec 24, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
The first flag in the DNV v BFF game was discussed and they waved off a holding call...
It may have already been addressed…
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reply fail...
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Maybe to should be its own fanpost, but in the meantime, Here is my take.
1st Qtr
3-11-IND 19 (13:22) (Shotgun) PENALTY on HOU-98-C.Barwin, Neutral Zone Infraction, 5 yards, enforced at IND 19 – No Play.
Close call, I ref a bush league where we wouldn’t have called it on the D as they were moving backwards when the Offensive Lineman jumped to kill the play.
1-10-HOU 8 (10:30) (Run formation) 23-A.Foster right tackle to HOU 10 for 2 yards (51-P.Angerer; 98-R.Mathis). PENALTY on HOU-73-E.Winston, Offensive Holding, 4 yards, enforced at HOU 8 – No Play.
Don’t remember seeing it.
4-3-IND 27 (:37) 1-P.McAfee punts 39 yards to HOU 34, Center-48-J.Snow. 12-J.Jones to HOU 46 for 12 yards (48-J.Snow; 26-J.Hines). PENALTY on HOU-54-M.Alexander, Illegal Block Above the Waist, 10 yards, enforced at HOU 36.
*Blatant Block in the Back. Good Call
2nd Qtr
3-5-IND 31 (10:42) (Shotgun) 6-D.Orlovsky sacked at IND 23 for -8 yards (99-J.Watt). PENALTY on HOU-99-J.Watt, Roughing the Passer, 15 yards, enforced at IND 23.
*Bullshit call, the rule should not be used in this case. The QB tucked and ran, it was not unnecessarily rough.
4-6-IND 42 (8:50) 1-P.McAfee punts 53 yards to HOU 5, Center-48-J.Snow. 12-J.Jones pushed ob at HOU 19 for 14 yards (84-J.Tamme). PENALTY on HOU-89-B.Johnson, Illegal Block Above the Waist, 7 yards, enforced at HOU 15.
*Don’t remember seeing it.
2-10-HOU 44 (5:55) (Shotgun) 6-D.Orlovsky pass incomplete short right to 85-P.Garcon. PENALTY on HOU-24-J.Joseph, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at HOU 44 – No Play.
*Saw the replay, Joseph was still making contact ten yards downfield. Good call.
2-8-HOU 37 (5:13) 6-D.Orlovsky pass incomplete deep left to 17-A.Collie. PENALTY on HOU-38-D.Manning, Defensive Pass Interference, 16 yards, enforced at HOU 37 – No Play.
*Don’t remember seeing it.
3rd Qtr
3-9- (2:29) (Shotgun) 6-D.Orlovsky pass short left to 85-P.Garcon pushed ob at HOU 36 for 14 yards (25-K.Jackson). Penalty on HOU-29-G.Quin, Defensive Holding, declined.
*Reggie Wayne getting mugged in the middle of the field. Good Call. Doesn’t matter, someone else made a 1s down reception.
4th Qtr (and all on the Final Drive)
2-10-HOU 20 (:46) (Shotgun) 6-D.Orlovsky scrambles up the middle to HOU 18 for 2 yards (99-J.Watt). PENALTY on HOU-99-J.Watt, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at HOU 18.
*Dodgy call here, He was being held a little and tried a ‘Swim’ move to get his left arm across his body to get free. He made incidental contact with the Lineman’s helmet/facemask. I thought the Official was being picky here.
1-10-HOU 13 (:40) (Shotgun) 6-D.Orlovsky pass incomplete short left to 17-A.Collie. PENALTY on HOU-99-J.Watt, Roughing the Passer, 7 yards, enforced at HOU 13 – No Play.
*I was starting to shake and began panicking here. I didn’t see this, I don’t think. Anyone have a replay?
3-6-HOU 6 (:27) (Shotgun) 6-D.Orlovsky pass incomplete short left to 84-J.Tamme. PENALTY on HOU-29-G.Quin, Defensive Pass Interference, 5 yards, enforced at HOU 6 – No Play.
*Unfortunately, I think this was a legit call. There was contact. Quin was playing the player and not the ball.
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by distant_texans_fan on Dec 24, 2011 12:47 PM CST reply actions
The last call on Watt:
Watt is approaching Orlovsky from behind. Someone knocks him down. As he is falling, he grabs Orlovsky around the waist and slides down his legs as he is falling. Official calls him for going for the legs.
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by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
I'm going from memory. I have not looked at it again
but thats how I remember it.
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by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
Well if that is the case, then that is an outrageous call.
It is one of the many “When in question…” type rules.
It is only a penalty if the initial contact is below a certain point. When you are unsure, then err on the side of caution and you say it is. BUT>>> If you do not clearly see the initial contact, you can not call the foul. It is basic officiating 101. You have to see the whole thing or it didn’t happen.
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by distant_texans_fan on Dec 24, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Okay. I just watched the play on the "Highlight" reel over on NFL.com
You don’t really see a good shot of it, but I don’t think he got him around the waist, he comes in too low. The question is, was he blocked into the QB, well, maybe he was. But I think he should have pulled out as he was going down and not reached for the QB’s legs. Its hard to make that judgement from here, but I am finding it hard to not justify the call by the Ref.
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by distant_texans_fan on Dec 24, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
In any case, the rule is so broad it is a bad rule
I think the intent was to prevent QBs from a direct hit to the knees, and wrapping them up by the legs is collateral.
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by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
The contact was from behind, and the knees bent the way they should. But it wasn’t too different to this hit from 2008.
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by distant_texans_fan on Dec 24, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
I hope you are being sarcastic
because it was a lot different. 1) Allen’s hit on Schaub was a clear shot…he purposely dove at the knees rather that get knocked into them, and nobody pushed him. 2) he hit him from the side rather than from behind.
In the play I saw, JJ didn’t really “hit” Dan O, but rather fell on him. He also came from directly behind, and according to the anylists, was knocked into him by an offensive lineman.
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by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely. JJ Watt did not purposefully drive at the knees, nor was it from a bad angle like Jared Allen
And I don’t know exactly what difference an attempt to avoid contact would have made. Or if it is really possible. But if Dan O has throwing 45degrees to one side or the other, then Watt’s contact could have had similar affects. And while I hate to see a Texans loss, I would not have liked to have seen Dan O’s season ended by JJ Watt on that play.
*Also, JJ Watt is a stand up guy and not a douche like Jared Allen.
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by distant_texans_fan on Dec 24, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
^this..right on
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by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Twss
I think he should have pulled out as he was going down
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
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"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 24, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
TWSS
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
To sum up
It was a poorly called game
Poorly Playcalled by the Texans
Poorly called by officials
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
Wow poor³
I didn’t realize that
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I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Dec 24, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
looking over distant's post
11 calls are listed. 4 are deemed ‘good calls’. 3 are unseen/unremembered. that leaves 4 penalty calls in dispute. 2 of those on the final drive, the first being labeled ‘dodgy’, ‘incidental’ and ‘picky’. well if those calls happen against the texans i sure want them called. no legit complaint there. the second, falling into the quarterback from behind, was tagged ‘unseen’. during the game i thought this should not have been called. i’m no rules expert, but if a rule was broken the penalty should be called. no complaint from me though if it’s an infraction.
the 1st quarter call, neutral zone infraction…was what it was. clear infraction, should be called. no legit complaint there.
that leaves the roughing call in the 2nd quarter…refs should not be put in the position of deciding when or when not to ‘use a rule’. they should simply enforce the rules. helmet to helmet hits against qbs are gonna be called this year. no legit complaint with the refs on that one. if you wanna kvetch about the rule itself, that’s fine…
my main complaint with the refs with this game were the o. holding calls, all on the texans. it definitely affected the texans protection schemes, and led to kubiak’s ‘no passing’ policy. i kept waiting for the o. holding calls on the colts line…and waiting…and waiting…
You have been waiting for 2 games
None called that were blatanlt obvious the week before (o holding when Texans D playing)
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by Barryfromtexas on Dec 24, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Kubes said he was sending in 6 or 7 for review
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by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
Good to know
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by distant_texans_fan on Dec 24, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
I understand the helmet to helmet contact
But I don’t agree with you on this one. Dan-O lowered his shoulder, causing the contact. Watt did not lead with his head, instead wrapping around the chest (good form). Terrible call from my point of view.
My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.
by f22a4bandit on Dec 24, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
mein guten
you are right. this is my complaint with the officiating—their lack of consistency leads to the players playing differently based on what they expect the refs to call vs. what they see the other team getting away with. that’s the infuriating part.
the refs need to call a consistent game for both teams.
the nba references fit nicely—the make-up calls/non-calls, the revenge calls (re: joseph), the ‘star’ calls/non-calls, the inconsistency—these are the root problems.
Yep, the NBA calls have no place in the NFL
…except for the revenge/get even calls. If the ref makes a blantantly bad call on one team, it is up to the ref-group to call one of equal value on the other team. I am all for this.
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after all, they can call a foul on nearly every single play, but they don't
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this is correct,
Makes penalties subjective.
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by professortex on Dec 24, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
At least they're not subjunctive.
They had better not be.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Dec 24, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
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