Gary Kubiak's Monday Presser: Brett Hartmann Tore ACL And Lost For Season; Andre Johnson Day-To-Day
by Tim on Dec 5, 2011 3:39 PM CST
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PrintListen live to Kubes' presser here. Good news on 'Dre, and Brian Cushing apparently just has a sore knee.
Terrible news about Hartmann, though.
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thats a tough break for hartmann
now how bout matt turk reunion!?
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by UprootedTexan on Dec 5, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
/shudders
“Hyuck-Hyuck-Hyuck Now where did that football go? Oh, here it is… at my feet… in the endzone… my OWN endzone… with three really big opposing players running at me… What should I do? If only I did something with my FEET for my livelihood… Oh well, maybe if I run in circles around the ball for a second or two these nice men will help me decide…”
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FML.
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Gary Kubiak says Texans will sign a punter and he says former Texan Matt Turk is being considered.
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by Jon Banks on Dec 5, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Still not as many no's as this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MLry6Cn_D4
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Dec 6, 2011 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
From Kubiak's tweet regarding signing Turk
Fuck no! Screw that rejected Glitter Kitty mutherfuckr
It may not be Kubiak’s actual tweet.
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Dec 5, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Australian Football League
is in its off-season. They got some guys can kick, right?
I’d call Ray Guy before I’d call Matt Turk.
"Gut Feeling"
Gastrointerologists confirm the human gut contains no rational thoughts.
What it IS full of is fairly well known.
Paging the All Blacks....
Kubiak believes in you
by JayRedd on Dec 5, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
man
That’s really upsetting about hartmann
by EastonFection on Dec 5, 2011 3:44 PM CST via mobile reply actions
damnit
i really liked hartmann on special teams. hopefully we sign dodge over turk.
I hope we get him back next year.
Punters are somewhat disposable, but Hartmann is a freak with a long career ahead of him. There’s potential for him to be ready for training camp next August because this was his plant knee (left) and not the power leg… perhaps with a brace for added stability.
Get well soon, Brett!!
The way our kickers throw themselves around on coverage
And this is how one of them goes down. Because of our pathetic fucking field.
Just a Texan thing, I guess.
Kubiak believes in you
At what point
do we start discussing the strength and conditioning staff?
by IThinkItsIndecision on Dec 5, 2011 3:52 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Well hamstrings have been one of the stories of the nfl due to the lockout.
Patrick Willis go hamstrung yesterday. We can take the good and the bad. Look at how well the strength and conditioning staff got Danieal Manning back to game shape.
hell ya man.
Real tough luck for Hartmann. He was looking awesome this season. I see no reason for the Texans to cut him loose due to the injury. He was fitting into the culture here, has a future in the NFL with his power. Here’s to a speedy recovery.
I don't know that you can tag the strength and conditioning folks for Hartmann.
From the replay I saw yesterday, he was running downfield juking back and forth trying to decide which way the runback was going to go, and it appeared that his cleat got hung in the turf as he was trying to juke. More of a freak accident.
"The best thing about being a cynic......is that you are never surprised." ~Anonymous
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by Christopher H on Dec 5, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
I wasn't reffering to just Hartmann
And you can complain that our field should have more consistant density, but people arent dropping like flies in oakland every year. And that, by far, is the worst field in the league. Srsly, a fucking baseball diamond?!?!
Part of the S&C job is making sure that the players are warmed up as well as possible to prevent pulls/tears. I’m more than comfortable putting one of dre’s 2 hammys, one of fosters 2 hammys, and mario pec on that staff.
by IThinkItsIndecision on Dec 5, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
I would agree that it has not been a problem overall.
But there were at least three leg injuries yesterday. That would seem significant.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Dec 5, 2011 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
Can strength and conditioning prevent seams in the shitty field?
Didn’t think so
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
by Hydroshock on Dec 5, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
If anyone, blame the grounds crew.
Field looked like shit yesterday.
by Karsh on Dec 5, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
AMR did a good story on it this morning over at 610
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2011/12/04/texans-players-say-field-not-up-to-par/
and this shit has been going on for too long. Belichick bitched about it when Wes Welker tore an ACL/MCL on it back in 2010: http://www.aolnews.com/2010/01/05/belichick-wary-about-field-conditions-before-welker-injury/
I’ve seen it shredded after High School and College games for a few years now, and I’m pretty damn pissed that it’s ending games and seasons for Texans players. WTF is going on over there with Reliant?!!!
We didn’t collectively spend over a BILLION dollars for the NFL to return to Houston so that High Schools, Colleges and Monster Truck Jams could fuck up the field conditions and put Texans out of games.
by MeMongo on Dec 5, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm no fan of Belichick, but I have to agree with his statements here...
“The turf down there is terrible,” Belichick said. "It’s terrible. It’s just inconsistent. It’s all the little trays of grass, and some of them are soft and some of them are firm and they don’t all fit well together, those seams. Some of it feels like a sponge, some of it feels real firm and hard. One step you’re on one, the other step you’re on another. I really think it’s one of the worst fields I’ve seen. […]
“I think the worst thing for a player is when it’s inconsistent,” he said. “When you take one step and you get one feel and then the next step is a different feel, or like you have some of the old Astro Turf fields, all the seams where the zippers would come up and the turf would start to turn over and you’d trip over it or it would give, you think you’re going to plant and it’s going to hold and then it gives, that’s a problem. Or you think it’s going to give and it doesn’t, and then it grabs. And that’s where a lot of non-contact injuries occur. Like, for example, the one we had on Sunday, which was a non-contact injury.”
by MeMongo on Dec 5, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
he speaks the truth.
get it done Bob McNair. Can’t have more of these damn injuries.
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by steelblue on Dec 5, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So ahh, just how many F-ing non-contact injuries do we need before somebody fixes the turf at Relaint?!!!
known non-contact injuries due to inconsistent footing at Reliant:
Wes Welker – out for the season in 2010 with ACL/MCL
Andre Johnson – right hamstring (surgery) 6 games, 3 quarters missed, left hamstring (day to day)
Brett Hartmann – out for the season with torn ACL
Brian Cushing – left game after slipping and injuring right knee, returned to finish game
Tony Gonzales – missed time in the game after slipping awkwardly on Reliant turf
Just how many players have to get hurt before this insanity stops at Reliant?!!!! Seriously, either put in artificial turf or open the roof full time and install a proper grass field.
Several other players complained about it afterward
by MeMongo on Dec 5, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I vote for the second option.
A retractable roof is a shitty idea for an 8-10 game home season, anyways. Tear it out, I say!
A retractable roof would be AWESOME for a Monday Night Game!!!
/holds breath…. waits… waits… turns green…exhales….
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It was
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I'm sure somewhere there are stats on this
Does anyone know whether there are actually more non-contact injuries at Reliant than other stadia?
by JBal on Dec 5, 2011 6:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The more I read about this.
The more it pisses me off. I dont know if it was asked of Kubiak in the presser, but it should be. Mcnair needs to spend a lil more money and fix that fucking field pronto.
by YohannDookeyblue on Dec 5, 2011 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
I would blame the field
before I blamed the training staff. There is no reason for games to be played the same weekend that the Texans play.
REPLY FAIL
I didn’t realize this had been covered….Note to self, skim down a little before replying….
I'm questioning strength and conditioning staffs league-wide.
Tendon and ligament injuries are off the chain. I heard a sports surgeon say tendon-detaching pec injuries like Mario’s and quad injuries like Sharpton’s used to be very rare in football players, and were seldom seen except in wrestlers and weight lifters. Now, they’ve become common in the NFL and college football.
Are players getting too strong tor the things that hold their muscles to their bones? You can’t strengthen those things with lifting and workouts, can you?
"Gut Feeling"
Gastrointerologists confirm the human gut contains no rational thoughts.
What it IS full of is fairly well known.
by FreedomRide on Dec 5, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The bigger, faster, and more powerful the athletes get
the more injuries you’ll see.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
This I agree with. If you put too much muscle on a tendon and it tears it from the bone...
they need to consider flexibility improvement, and over development of muscle on many players.
I saw a medical article about this sometime.
I don’t remember where or when so don’t even know WHERE to start looking, but it said exactly that, the human body’s tendons and ligaments can only take so much pulling on them before they start to tear. So the more muscle and power the athletes gain and apply to those tendons and ligaments…..something’s gonna give.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
btw
did anyone hear Kube’s analysis of Kareem? Player of the game. EXACTLY. chill out everyone, he actually made a good play on that final play. He hooked his arm and yanked it. Also, that 20 yard pass to Julio, he was right there, it was just a perfectly thrown ball. Give the dude some credit man.
by wiseonekms on Dec 5, 2011 3:57 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm one of Kareem's toughest critic lately but he had a good game yesterday.
From yesterday’s game, I think our secondary struggled a bit because of the match up with White, Jones and Gonzalez. Even JoJo seemed to struggle and be out of place a bit. In the end, they came up with the plays that wins you games. Kareem was in a position to make plays on the ball and actually turned around to locate the ball which he has never really done before. Cornerbacks will get burned on plays occasionally especially to elite receivers but as long as I see a cornerback try to make a play, I’ll take getting burned once in a while.
The sideline play was a good adjustment
But he had some horrible horrible plays as well. Getting burned bad by Julio. Then the blown coverage by him costing us a touchdown. And the last play was Julio trying to cradle it into his body. That’s why he dropped it. No reason it should have been left to kareem to stop that play though.
Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?
by Rocket94 on Dec 5, 2011 4:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
ya
I looked at that play a couple of times. Jones was in triple coverage, Kareem was yanking his arm, and had Julio gained even mild possession of the ball, Demps was right behind him with his helmet staring down his right arm. Even if he found a way to ‘make the catch,’ it was gonna be ugly for Julio either way.
Oh, and remember how many of us wanted Julio this year in the draft? Um, thanks Rick Smith for JJ Watt. So glad we made the right decision on that one.
Quinn shouldn't have been so shallow either
Thank you ____ (not sure which deity to insert). Ya I’m okay with not giving up half of our draft picks to get him. This next draft should be a good time to get a receiver though.
Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?
by Rocket94 on Dec 5, 2011 5:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think they have a pretty good one on IR
Lestar Jean, he impressed me in the preseason.
Beer, it's not just for breakfast anymore
While I'm happy with our draft picks
I have to say that I think Julio is doing pretty good for a rookie. Had we not needed the defensive picks we did, I would have been perfectly happy with him.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
I've seen similar assessments of Kareem's play elsewhere too.
Color me surprised. I thought, at best, he had a very up-and-down game. More realistically, I thought he was awful (especially in the fourth quarter) and was bailed out by the fact that Julio Jones has no hands (the fingers on his gloves are just for show and all he has are stumps where his hands should be). Jackson made a couple good plays here and there, but I thought he got abused by Jones.
Unfortunately, I forgot to set my DVR so I have no way to go back and take a second look.
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when do we discuss
The shitty condition of the field and how that effects leg injuries…I know, shortened season and all but DAMN!
by skeezy12 on Dec 5, 2011 3:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Recced for correct use of "effects"
Although I suspect unintentionally so.
Eh?
"Gut Feeling"
Gastrointerologists confirm the human gut contains no rational thoughts.
What it IS full of is fairly well known.
I think effects in this instance means "causes"
Had Skeezy12 used affects, it would have meant to influence leg injuries, which I think would still be correct (and possibly intended).
/not an expert
by Tailgate Andy on Dec 5, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
Uh, yeah: you need the verb there, right?
I don’t see how “effects” can be right. What the hell am I missing here?
More importantly, why am I nattering about this?
"Gut Feeling"
Gastrointerologists confirm the human gut contains no rational thoughts.
What it IS full of is fairly well known.
I think effects is the verb.
You can effect a change.
In this instance, you (or more accurately, the field) would effect a leg injury.
by Tailgate Andy on Dec 5, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
Nope.
"Gut Feeling"
Gastrointerologists confirm the human gut contains no rational thoughts.
What it IS full of is fairly well known.
Yeah, you're wrong Andy.
The “effect” of the shabby field was multiple non-hit injuries. That field “affected” the Texans’ players.
I've got nothin'...
Effect is actually also a verb.
Andy is correct here. This was the point I was making with my reply.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/effect
Scroll down below the first set of ads.
The effect of the shabby field was that it effected multiple non-contact injuries, affecting the overall health of the Texans’ roster.
Weellllll...
It’s a well-known fact that dictionary.reference.com has been known to change word usage to troll internet users.
I've got nothin'...
Affect vs Effect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaMSVBuwJLI&feature=player_embedded
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Wouldn't be suprised if
Hit-man Hartmann takes out the grounds crew for ruining his season.
That really sucks about Hartmann
I like that guy. Our kickers are bad ass. Glad that Crushing is okay, and that ’Dre sounds like he will be, too.
But damn…
Follow the invalid toad.
He should have rubbed some Cushing blood on it.
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by MeSoLongHorny on Dec 5, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
Losing Hartmann is a problem.
He hadn’t perfected the coffin corner kick by any stretch of the imagination, but with the offense not being quite as consistent as it was with Schaub under center, we need as much help as we can get from ST on the field position battle.
It's seriously almost reaching the point of absurdity
“Oh, what’s that? A season-ending injury for the Texans? Ho hum.”
hey man
as long as it’s not Yates, Cush, JJo, Foster, Barwin, or ‘Dre…..I’ve learned to accept these things now.
you should go ahead and strike
’Dre off that list.
by IThinkItsIndecision on Dec 5, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
My wife asked me how many elite players we have
When I asked her “why?” she said, “Thats how many more games we’ll win.”
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
thats good math
i would say foster, daniels, joseph, brown, winston, smith, and cushing. can anybody think of any more?
- Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
"It's either gonna make you a man or a coward. One of the two. I'm a be a man. I ain't never seen a coward, heard a coward, coward not in ma vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Dec 5, 2011 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
Myers.
And I’d probably take Brown off the list. Elite implies “top five at your position” to me; he’s not quite there yet. Watt, Winston, and OD are all pretty close.
I disagree.
Winston gets lit up by a good pass rusher once or twice a season, but he’s solid in pass protection outside of that, and pretty elite as a run-blocker. Brown is more consistent in pass protection, but not nearly as good in run blocking. Hence why we run to the right side more often, and are more successful going in that direction.
If Turk's the punter then I hope we always go for it on 4th down
20 yards won’t make much difference.
"Lord, beer me strength."
texans
what is matt doge doing the old punter for the giants
No job atm... I wouldn't mind looking at him.
Hopefully he’s learned to punt the ball outta bounds……
Koob the impaler!
“Look into my eyes!”
"Gut Feeling"
Gastrointerologists confirm the human gut contains no rational thoughts.
What it IS full of is fairly well known.
by FreedomRide on Dec 5, 2011 4:25 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Looks more like Vigo the Carpathian to me...
“IT’S VIIIIGOOOOO!!!”
I've got nothin'...
Wow!
Vigo:
"Gut Feeling"
Gastrointerologists confirm the human gut contains no rational thoughts.
What it IS full of is fairly well known.
by FreedomRide on Dec 5, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
I was hoping someone would post that!
Hahaha… too funny.
I've got nothin'...
He ees Vigo!
You are like buzzing of flies to heem!
by JBal on Dec 5, 2011 6:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
one positive note
Airwaves are being flooded with the “f” word, and this time it’s chicago, not us
by HTown80 on Dec 5, 2011 5:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions
we should set up an espn watching party
Turn it into a drinking game. You take a shot everytime they mention the “f” guy. We would be shitty after one segment
by HTown80 on Dec 5, 2011 5:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Favre thinks he is slick....
‘Well, uh, you know, I would listen, if they called. But they haven’t called.’
He is such a little girl.
That prick. If I were a Bears fan, I'd join a vigilante group to guard every road
and airport to keep his sorry ass out of town.
"Gut Feeling"
Gastrointerologists confirm the human gut contains no rational thoughts.
What it IS full of is fairly well known.
It's equal parts Favre's narcisim and ESPN's hard on for the hype
They’ve been trying to get the story going again ever since teams started losing QB’s. They probably want him back worse than he wants to be back.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
May be a bit off-topic, but I love this quote from John Abraham.
"On third down, they were running the ball and getting seven or eight yards and getting first downs instead of trying to pass it," Falcons defensive end John Abraham said. "It was deflating."
Emphasis mine.
I’ve always heard that giving up yards through the air is easier for a defense to accept than giving up yards on the ground. Getting beat in the running game is demoralizing. That the Falcons came in with such a strong run defense and ended up deflated in spite of it speaks volumes.
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by Synchysi on Dec 5, 2011 6:02 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
As I said on Sunday morning(quite eloquently )
Champions rise to the challenge. We will find a replacement for Hartmann. We will still win. It is inevitable. We will finish 13 & 3. 13 being TJ’s number plus three wins after the regular season. Numerology can not be denied.
I had a dream. In that dream I saw a multitude of screaming people on Richmond. I saw Kubiak laughing. I saw Andre Johnson pouring champagne from a trophy on to Brian Cushings head. What does it mean?
Maybe this has been said about a billion times, but
can we win a game without losing players? It’s almost like the Texans are a platoon in Europe after D-Day and every time they win a battle they lose more people.
A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving
by Foster Child on Dec 5, 2011 6:37 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
yes we could.
but that isn’t the houston texans way. we can never have too much of a good thing without consequences. i expect this team to employ a couple of brb bloggers by the time we make it to the super bowl. on the bright side with bfd at nose tackle we will all have gotten our wish of a planetoid at that position.
- Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
"It's either gonna make you a man or a coward. One of the two. I'm a be a man. I ain't never seen a coward, heard a coward, coward not in ma vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Dec 5, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
"Stuffed by BFD"
just doesn’t sound right…
A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving
We'll win the SB with
QB – Clemens
RB – Ward
WR – Mason
WR -B. Johnson
TE – Graham
TE – Casey
FB – Casey
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
by Hydroshock on Dec 5, 2011 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I was an idiot today and I read a pancakes article
That fat fuck wrote that he picked the texans to win 22-20 but he thought that they would lose. What the fuck does that even mean?!? God how does this guy still have his job.
by TheDream34 on Dec 5, 2011 6:41 PM CST via mobile reply actions
that means he picked a good score to keep readers and to be considered pro texan
but since he is a cowturd fan he will always think that they deserve to lose.
- Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
"It's either gonna make you a man or a coward. One of the two. I'm a be a man. I ain't never seen a coward, heard a coward, coward not in ma vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Dec 5, 2011 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
I hate that Hartmann is out
Glad it’s not his kicking leg, but still… he will be missed the rest of this year.
He’s a beast of a punter and I’ve been really impressed with his play. With him on the squad it’s like it doesn’t even matter where the offense leaves the ball when we have to punt, Hartmann is going to get it to the other endzone.
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dam Cushing
stop gettin your ankles broke out there.. we need you!
I wana say hi to my haters, stay on your job ;) Go Houston sports!!
HA HA
Jags and Bolts are gonna MAKE each other play 4 quarters.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
He's like the Pillsburry Dough boy in the second pic
when the trainer pokes his tummy.
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Dec 6, 2011 7:29 AM CST up reply actions
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