Texans Down 'N Dirty: Best Not To Speak Edition
by Jake on Feb 1, 2011 9:59 AM CST
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PrintYesterday Dale Robertson wrote a column on Bob McNair to include quotes from the Houston Texans owner. I featured the article for the daily links post yesterday, and then published a Twitter interaction between myself and Jerome Solomon in response to my opinion about McNair. I was completely ready to move on from the issue to other abstract offseason topics besides the team ownership, but apparently Robertson's piece inspired more of a reaction than I realized. Below the jump is other people's take on McNair as well as the usual Texans related links.
Like I said, everyone has an opinion about the embattled owner who chose yesterday to speak. Alan Burge was angry and decided it's best for McNair not to speak to the media.
Paul Kuharsky was confused by some of McNair's reasoning that he used for the Texans' early struggles.
Lastly, Richard Justice is upset that McNair spoke of the Jauguars' and Panthers' early success and subsequent failings negatively. I know I said I wouldn't link to him anymore, but the reason I did is to point something out. The NFL decided after the aforementioned success of Jacksonville and Carolina that the expansion parameters made it too easy for the new NFL teams, so they made the rules much tougher for the expansion Browns and Texans. I think Bob may have been alluding to that, but if he was, he did not do a great job presenting that point. Overall, it's probably best that he step away from the media for a while.
One thing that screwed the Texans from the get-go was their first of two overall picks, David Carr. The second fared much better according to pretty much anyone, but Eli Kaberon believes Mario Williams is one of the better top defensive picks in the draft of all time. (H/T Eric a.k.a. Xetouh)
As for this year's draft, Daniel Charles discusses the possibility of Aldon Smith being the Texans first round pick this year. As Daniel points out, Smith is raw but possesses incredible athletic ability. I'll have more thoughts on this later.
Patrick from the Texans Tribune put a nice bow on his Texans-centric Senior Bowl coverage with a list of the top five prospects possible for Houston. While I might differ a smidge on the ranking, I think he has a pretty good feel for what players would be good for the Texans in 2011.
The first round of the draft gets the most attention, but the accumulation of lower-rated players who perform above expectations is what makes teams successful. Texans running backs coach Chick Harris was able to elevate the play of two such players Arian Foster and Vonta Leach to Pro Bowl levels in 2010, and the backfield tandem repaid the coach by taking him to Hawaii.
While it is a great honor to make it to the Pro Bowl, the game itself leaves something to be desired. Rivers McCown has an idea how to fix it that is certainly outside of conventional thought.
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God Im getting sick of the McNair bashing
Asking the owner of another team for help and asking the league for help are two totally different things. The league should want every team to be on a track to being successful and let them take it from there and Bob is saying that even if they offered help he would not even know who to trust at that point. Its night and day to look at the starts of the Carolina and Jax franchises compared to Hou and Cle. I hope we dont piss Bob off with all this shit.
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 1, 2011 10:17 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
As far as the draft class goes I am friggin pumped
The Tribune article says this is a deep DL class, which is something I have seen a lot and is huge for the Texans. The same article also further enforces my manlove for Phil taylor and also makes me even more interested in Burney the DB outta UNC who I have only heard good things about.
I will be interested to see Ahmad Blacks combine numbers, if his athleticism can help him overcome what he lacks in size maybe he could be a 3rd rd gem
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 1, 2011 10:28 AM CST reply actions
At 5'9'' and 185...
Dude needs to be amazing this month and at his Pro Day.
"Lord, beer me strength."
He needs to be Trindon Holliday amazing.......oh wait......
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU
by TexansForever on Feb 1, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
I just watched his youtube video
and I know its a highlight reel but he looks like he has amazing instincts and hands. Not to mention the kid can lay the wood in run support for being such a lil guy.
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 1, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
also, he looks like he has some serious return ability
he gets crazy yards after his picks, and in the video is shows the last play of his career at Florida he runs back an 80 yd INT for 6
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 1, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
So what you're saying is
that he needs to be a mix of Bob Sanders & Wolverine??
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
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by The Night Owl on Feb 2, 2011 3:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Should I call you "Logan", Weapon X?
No, WOLVERINE!!! Shnickty schnikty snard!!!
If anyone guess that movie quote, rec’s for life
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 2, 2011 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
Mallrats
FTW
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
by Hydroshock on Feb 2, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Enjoy living in rectum forever
see what i did there?!! lol!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 2, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, it's a schooner.
-No it’s not. It’s a boat.
-A schooner is a type of boat.
-You dumb bastard. You know what? There’s no Santa Claus.
Actually my favorite Kevin Smith movie.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 2, 2011 10:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
well you totally just butchered that line, no offense but I like where your heads at either way
-Ohhh its a schooner!
-Hahaha you dumb bastard.. its not a schooner, its a sailboat
-A schooner IS a sailboat stupidhead
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by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 2, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
That's right - I was going from memory while laying with my kids to get them to sleep.
Thanks for getting it right.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 2, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Those DB's
Are the one’s I’m wanting to take more of a peek at, myself. Size certainly can help at those positions, but it doesn’t make the player.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
LDJA12
Just does not get it.
Why he has a job only the Comical and he knows
I am totally optimistic about the Texans new season - at least until the first of the 4 or 2 (if any) preseason games
Gotta be naked pictures of Carlton Thompson, the Sports Editor
There’s no other explanation.
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Can you be embattled
When you’re worth a billion dollars?
Frank Bush delenda est
by JimboTexan on Feb 1, 2011 11:10 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
No.
And thanks for playing today’s edition of “Easy Answers to Easy Questions.”
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Journalists
Nice links to get me mad in the morning. We’ve got Kuharsky and Justice – two guys who I’m relatively certain have not built a business on their own – bashing McNair. When Mike Lombardi says something about GM work, I pay attention because he’s done the job. But these jokers talking like this:
“but how unrealistic is it to expect the league to offer him some sort of mentoring? How weak is it to say he needed it?”
makes me want to puke. Earth to Paul: running an NFL franchise is really, really hard. That’s why so few succeed – and all owners are already very successful people. This is a different business than oil, hence it takes a wholly different skillset and management style. Here’s a thought experiment: imagine the world’s smartest journalist trying to run an engineering startup and picking the company’s Chief Engineer. I’ll give him a 25% chance of getting the right guy the first time. An oil man knows how to judge whether Candidate X is a smart oil CFO, but he has perhaps a 50% chance of figuring out who is a good NFL CFO.
It’s laughable seeing these people who’s resume adds up to “I wrote lots of stories about other people who achieved great things” bashing people that actually did great things.
Lastly, I really wish people would not discourage owners and coaches from speaking their mind. Imagine how much more interesting it would be if Kubiak and McNair weren’t always so careful with what they said.
by smokehaus on Feb 1, 2011 11:23 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
^^^ This.
Reminds me of the Solomon thing as well. It’s easy to criticize when your job is to write shit for other people to read. But if you’re a career journalist, it’s very unlikely that you’ve never managed anything more complicated than a 22-year old intern who will do anything to make you happy.
That’s not the same as leading a large organization composed of hundreds – if not thousands – of employees in an insanely competitive field.
So while us fans (and I include myself in this) can frustrated that McNair kept guys like Carr, Casserly, Capers, Smith and Bush around too long, it’s a whole hell of a lot easier for us to play Monday morning quarterback than the guy with the actual responsibility to get it done.
And I don’t think McNair, who is clearly a successful executive and manager, needs any management advice from the likes of Dicky Justice and Jerome Solomon. And he sure as shit doesn’t need them to question his will to win. Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones all suck hard as owners, but they want to win. I have no doubt McNair (who I believe is a better owner than both of those two) wants to win just as badly.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 1, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Please no phil taylor
Guy is a bust waiting to happen, and there is 0 chance the texans pick him, so let’s move on. He is big and lazy. Just what we need
Our NT better come from FA’cy, to go along with who we have.
Name one Baylor alumn worth anything in the NFL. Jason smith doesn’t count, plays RT as the number 2 pick.
by AllenOU on Feb 1, 2011 11:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions
It was a jab at baylor
Where you play college ball doesnt mean anything, look at the longhorns!
Watch philt Taylor against the good teams, OU OSU ATM. He disappears. Against UT and there craptastic oline, he also disappeared. His good games are against crap teams. I’d rather have the NT from notre dame or stanford
by AllenOU on Feb 1, 2011 11:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well, he dominated other future pros at the Senior Bowl...
So there is that. He just gasses out in the 2nd half.
"Lord, beer me strength."
But it sounds like Phillips 3-4 is extremely flexible
I know he wouldnt be worth taking in the first in this scenario but early in the second to have him only for 1st and 2nd downs when we are in a more traditional 3-4 set could maybe help his conditioning issue
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 1, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah...
…just had to defend my almaost mater. I don’t think he’ll disappear with Mario and Amobi flanking him. If he can command any kind of double team then someone has to free up. If they don’t double team him, then maybe he can slap some centers around Myersesque.
No worries
I stopped keeping up with their teams long ago. Haven’t seen anyone claim to be a Bear alum so I thought I’d throw out a comment on it. All in fun.
I'll say this.
If we DO draft him, I’ll be his number 1 fan from day one even though I wouldn’t agree with the pick. Same with amobi.
And believe it or not I’m also a big Robert griffin and colt McCoy fan. I laughed a little when he went to the browns, but I think the kid can be a legit QB. Ten times the QB radio ever was
by AllenOU on Feb 1, 2011 1:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I tend to agree
But this isn’t wades system
by AllenOU on Feb 1, 2011 2:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd prefer Sione Fua.
Phil Taylor reminds me WAY too much of Frank Okam, and the fact that we’re seriously talking about taking him in the first round terrifies me.
I’d like to see us finagle our way into two second round picks, taking the BPA in the first, and then scooping up Fua and Brooks Reed in the second.
I've seen a few mocks with him going late first.
But I haven’t seen anyone in here talk about taking him in the first. Hope that alleviates some of your terrification.
I can't remember any Samoan being a flat out bust
that could be part of it
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by The Night Owl on Feb 2, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
Who's that punter from Baylor for the Steelers?
Daniel Sepulveda? Had to be a pretty good punter to get taken in the 4th round
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by The Night Owl on Feb 2, 2011 3:25 AM CST up reply actions
I WANT SIONE FUA!
We should strive to live like the moon. Vibrant, not as our own light, but as the carriers of something greater than us. - Arian Foster
Me too... just so someone will pronounce the name for me...
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Can't go wrong with a Samoan NT!
Plus, I’d love to hear 70,000 shout “Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaaa!”
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 1, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
So he will be available by our second pick hopefully right?
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I hope we could get FUA in round 3
There is also a kid from notre dame who is a NT who looks pretty solid.
Also i think one frank okam dominated at the senior bowl, so take what TDC says with a grain of salt. At least he didnt go all soft and limp like my boy jeremy beal. Guess he was a high motor guy all this time. Had me fooled for for years. Interested to see his combine numbers
Wow this is the first mock draft where i seen this, could it happen?
1. Panthers – Nick Fairley DT Auburn
Carolina’s defensive line was terrible this year and picking the big DT from Auburn will help but will look to add a few more pieces to the line in the later rounds
2. Broncos – Da’quan Bowers DE Clemson
The Broncos are another team with lots of holes , taking Bowers here will solve one of their many problems but they may be better served in trading this pick and getting multiple picks in return.
3. Bills – A.J. Green WR Georgia
The Bills could take a DT here but I think they need to add an offensive playmaker here in Green.
4. Bengals – Marcell Dareus DT Alabama
Dareus will be a monster teamed up with Peko. The Bengals also need a WR and should take Green if he is available here.
5. Cardinals- Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri
Like I’ve said before the Cardinals need a QB BAD, Gabbert is the best QB Prospect in this class and looks the most NFL ready.
6. Browns – Robert Quinn DE UNC
The Browns need to add some youth to their defensive line, Quinn looks very promising and will be a much needed upgrade.
7. 49ers – Jake Locker QB Washington
The 9ers really need to draft a franchise QB. I think Locker could fit well in San Francisco we all know either Smith is not the answer.
8. Titans – Stephen Paea DT Oregon State
The Titans need to improve their defensive line, Paea is a very good DT that will add a punch to the Titans line.
9. Cowboys – Nate Solder OT Colorado
The Cowboys need desperate help on the offensive line, Solder looks like a very good tackle prospect.
10. Redskins – Cam Newton QB Auburn
The Redskins have McNabb but he isn’t getting any younger and the Skins lack of trust in him isn’t helping. Newton is a playmaker that will have to sit for 2 or 3 years but he could be an explosive starter
11. Texans – Patrick Peterson CB LSU
The Texans were a disappointment this year and the secondary was a big reason. If Peterson is available here the Texans should draft him, keep him, and never let him go, he looked amazing in college and should be a monster in the NFL.
12. Vikings – Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska
The Vikings were very disappointing this year and their defense looked really bad at times. The secondary definitely needs some help which Amukamara will provide.
thought i was the only one.
Man if this really happens i might do something i might regret later not sure.
Filipino tranny whore and donkey show all rolled into one?
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A few things:
—I would be surprised if Locker goes at seven. I wouldn’t be surprised if Gibbert goes at one, since teams with bad GMs tend to waste high picks on QBs. Also, I’d be surprised if Newton went that high (or in the first round at all).
—Using a first round pick on a rookie CB? No thanks. We need immediate help there, and in my mind that means we find some average free agent to come in and start while the kids develop. I’m hoping we go D line or – better yet – trade down.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 1, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
In general
Drafting defensive backs is a long-term investment. We have invested a lot in Kareem, but he needs time to develop. Ditto G-Lover Quin. This means bringing in some veterans through free agency. They will probably be average, but that’s a huge improvement over what we had out there last year.
Considering that, I’d rather use the first round pick on an impact player, either on the defensive line or a linebacker. We need a player who will be able to step on the field fairly early on and make a difference. And I just don’t see that being the case with any corner back.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 2, 2011 1:27 AM CST up reply actions
hmmmmmm
he is a impact player for us. anything he does for this secondary would be a hugh impact. I know what you saying but if we get him move GQ to saftey like we all been saying. I even hear Peterson is been looked to play that postion too.
I think it's rare for a rookie db to be an impact player.
I think you should get a known commodity back there while our younguns develop. Oh, and not give receivers fifteen yard cushions.
That and a solid pass rush (which we actually had last year) will help our defense a lot.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 2, 2011 10:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
do i have to start already.
revis, McCourty, bird, berry do i need to go on. If you can get a star you take him no matter what and figure the rest out.
Look at the numbers:
Revis: 17 passes defensed his first year, 16 his second year, 32 his third year. That’s only seven more than Kareem Jackson.
McCourty: 17 passes defensed.
Byrd: 11 pd last year and 2 this year. (Byrd got real lucky with INTs last year and that made him look a lot better than he really was).
Etc. The point is that even the great defensive backs, like Revis, were not great right off the bat. Sure, Revies was better than Kareem, but Revis also didn’t have Frank Bush dragging him down, either. And Revis wasn’t a star until his third year in the league.
So why start that over when we don’t really know what we have in G-Lover and Kareem?
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 2, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
D-line is an investment as well.
The Suhs and Rajis of the world don’t come along that often. Really, LB is the only defensive position you can genuinely expect to play at a high level as a rookie.
I have no way of backing this up
But my sense is that D-linemen develop quicker than corner backs. But I’m willing to be proven wrong.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 2, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Frank Okam & Shaun Cody says you're full of shit
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by The Night Owl on Feb 2, 2011 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
So does my wife.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 3, 2011 1:13 AM CST up reply actions
Newton's picked up steam as a 1st rounder.
He’s this year’s Tebow.
Locker and Gibbert will probably both go in the 1st but not at #1.
If Peterson’s at 11….I’ll literally do backflips if we get him…..and I’d go burn down Reliant if they passed on him.
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If they pass on him why stop at realiant keep it going, toyoto center minute maid park but leave the astrodome alone.
Peterson in the first, Fua in the second.
I could be okay with that.
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 1, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Tebow was only a first rounder because Josh McDaniels is a horrible idiot.
He really should have been a second rounder. At best.
I suppose I could see Newton going in th late first, but even that is too high, imo.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 2, 2011 1:29 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think so
I don’t think there’s a chance that Peterson could slip out of the top five, but he will NEVER make it past Jerrah at 9. He’s going to run about a 4.3 and some change 40 (he claims he’ll run a 4.2 but I’ll believe it when I see it). No way the Cowboys pass on that.
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They are in dire need of help on the lines though
Especially the OL. You think they would really pass on their pick of OL?
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that is what i am saying too, they need alot of help on line.
The one thing that pisses me off is that they can get two good free agent lineman simpy because they are the cowboys.
Yes
I do think they’d pass on O and D line for Peterson. Jerrah loves him athletes with star power, which Peterson certainly is. We can debate whether McNair makes decisions to please the fans, but there is no debate with Jones; he’s all about making a splash. They needed O line desperately last year, but he couldn’t pass on Dez Bryant despite having just given a kings ransom for Roy Williams and Miles Austin coming off an incredible season.
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you right jerry does like star players.
so if they smart they should get mark ingram. barber i think is done felix is good change of pace but mark ingram could be next emmitt in their eyes. Atleast i would like for them to take him just because, but might backfire and they be really good. Still will not matter unless the get a O-line.
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Put him on his home track with hand-timing and anything is possible….4.2, 4.1, who knows.
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I'm calling it now that Ponder has a good chance to go before Locker and Mallett.
Mallett’s such a huge pile of shit that there’s at least 10 guys I’d take before him.
However, I think we’re likely to land Amukamara rather than Peterson in that scenario.
That's interesting.
But the Cardinals and 49ers are a total mystery.I don’t know if they are going QB and to be honest Locker and Gabbert don’t come off as top ten picks IMO.Not to mention there are some QB moves that could happen between now and the draft.barring someone trading up though this could happen.Although it seems more likely that Prince would fall to the eleventh spot than Peterson.Bills have some talent at WR and may pick up Peterson is he falls to them.Dumervill coming back for the Broncos and Champ leaving may also prompt the Broncos to draft Peterson.It would be amazing if he fell to us but i see a lot of scenarios where he could wind up going to some one else.As a CB I just think he would be to enticing to pass up for a DL/OL.I would definitely pick him over the three QB’s listed there,none of which really impress me.
There won't be any QB moves in the CBA isn't done...
Which it still might not be by then. The CBA is going to be a nightmare if they don’t take care of it soon.
Bob McNair, Kubiak, Chuck Noll, Tom Landry, Bill Belichik, & Bill Walsh
It takes time to develop a winning team and coach. Check out the first 5 years of these HOF Coaches. Chuck Noll’s first 5 years at Pittsburgh 33-36 regular season. Tom Landry 18-46-4 with Dallas his first 5 years. Bill Belichik 36-44 at Cleveland. Bill Walsh 34-39 at SF with ‘82 strike year. Gary’s record is 37-43; more wins than any of them. see http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/ I think McNair might just know what he’s doing. I’d hate to see us develop Gary to have him go to another team and put up Belichik’s NE record. Noll, Landry and Walsh all developed as coaches and so did their teams into long term powerhouses. IMHO McNair is on the right path. This is a better team with Gary and will continue to get better now that Wade is on board. PSL 1280.
by mdmh on Feb 1, 2011 3:56 PM CST reply actions 11 recs
Rec'd and welcome
I know I’m on the patience side…I think a lot of the long-term successful coaches do struggle initially, but, as you’ve shown, it can pay off. Is Kubiak in that mold? I believe/hope so…so I’m not that quick to jettison him because I do believe he can be a successful NFL coach. Like with those HOFers, it may just take time (hopefully).
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Nicely put
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by AllenOU on Feb 1, 2011 5:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
More honors for Foster:
Seven votes for offensive player of the year. Considering the year that Brady just had, that’s pretty surprising to me. Had the Texans actually posted a respectable record, I’ll bet he would have been high in the running for winning it altogether.
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