Additional Thoughts On Wade Phillips' Personnel Say In Dallas
by Tim on Feb 22, 2011 8:51 AM CST
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PrintIn Jake's excellent interview with Wes Bunting yesterday, he asked about the amount of influence Wade Phillips had in the Dallas drafts when he was the head coach. Wes responded that "Jerry Jones is the guy who makes final decisions," but was unsure exactly how much actual say Wade had in the process.
Dogged seeker of knowledge that he is, Jake posed a similar query to Dave Halprin, editor of SB Nation's site for all things Southern Oklahoma--Blogging The Boys. Jake's question, and Dave's answer, await your perusal after the jump.
Jake:
Hey Dave, I did an interview this weekend with Wes Bunting of National Football Post, and I asked him what light he could shed on Wade Phillips' involvement in the Cowboys drafts while he was there and he had no idea. It dawned on me that you guys would probably be able to give me better insight.
The Texans owner and general manager have both said in not so many words that Wade can pick his own guys. I was wondering if you or anyone else at Blogging the Boys could tell me what you guys know about Wade's influence on anything draft related. Thanks for any help you might be able to give.
Dave:
In Dallas, it's pretty much understood that Jerry Jones, as owner and GM, has the final say on all draft picks. Wade probably had some amount of influence on the picks, especially on the defensive side, but no one thinks Wade was the last word, or first word, in the drafts. I'm sure he had his input but I think it was just another voice in Jerry's ear, along with Jerry's son Stephen. Wade appeared to have more influence in free agency, where we brought in some guys he had worked with before.
Thus, it appears that Wade will go from not having final word--or even first word--in the draft to the man everyone will be looking to as the Texans make their transition to a 3-4. He may well have more authority as the defensive coordinator in Houston when it comes to drafting than he did as the head coach in Dallas. I'm not sure whether that's more of an indictment of the Texans or the Cowboys.
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No one knows his system better than him
he will find the right players to fit his 3-4.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
if rick smith and kubiak are picking players
then we are sooooooo fucked
okoye, travis johnson, jason babin are the three main busts, but even in the lower rounds, like molden and bennett etc
To Be Fair
Travis Johnson and Jason Babin were Capers/Casserly picks.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
Some People Would Agree With That Statement
I am not one of those people.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
If anything...
The Amobi pick should be a warning against us taking strictly the “BPA” because that’s exactly what Okoye was. You don’t hear that brought up too often.
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Re: BPA
Immediately after the draft, Rick Smith declared that Amobi Okoye was the No. 1 rated defensive player on their entire board—available or not—going into the first round, so he was certainly the BPA for the Texans at that time, assuming that wasn’t simply a case of Smith spinning the pick.
I think the lesson to be learned is not so much against taking the best player available as it is correctly determining who the best player available is. There can be little debate the Texans whiffed in that analysis, what with Patrick Willis and Darrelle Revis going 11th and 14th overall.
Granted, hindsight is 20/20 and all, but there may be something to the fact that the nine teams in front of the Texans passed on Amobi too.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
You can't discount coaching...
I don’t care how good an athlete you are coming out of college, you need the right coaching to take it to the next level.
I dont' see why
he was BPA and at a position of need. He also had a pretty good year last year.
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
Agree...
With both you and Tim simultaneously, meaning I still haven’t made up my mind on #91 yet. Hopefully his play this year makes Tim look like a big doodoo head for ever doubting him, but that’s mainly because it means the team did well, not because I wish ill upon Timmay.
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Tim your right
i just put suckitude with suckitude and figured they made the picks
harrison, adibi, okam, barber, brink, and anthony hill, while 4-7 round picks were terrible.
I just dont trust ric smith and our glorified HC that is really on OC to make picks on defense…. let wade have the final say
I was reading an article the other day...
Hell, might’ve been on the comicle, maybe, with quotes from Kubiak and Smith which hinted at defensive-heavy draft (which we all knew would be the case). What struck a chord with me, however, was a comment about how Wade has input, but ultimately it’s just another voice (some Fuzion paraphrasing there, but you get the point). They want to know who Wade wants, and will ask for his opinion on the guys they are thinking about, but ultimately it is still a Smithiak decision.
I guess once we see how those draft picks work out I will be less uncomfortable, but right now I have this nagging feeling in the pit of my stomach…
It's like that in every franchise.
The heirarchy goes Owner > GM > HC > everyone else.
Wade’s going to make his suggestions, but Bob, Rick, and Gary are going to give a thumbs up before the card is turned in to Goodell.
Re: Your last comment… Are some of you guys having some sort of contest to call dibs on claiming our next failure? It’s almost like you’re actively looking for things to get upset or worry about. I don’t get that about some of you folks.
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Oh no,
You misunderstand…I am still highly optimistic for the upcoming season because I trust in what Wade has proven previously he’s capable of doing with a defense like the Texans. And because the team finally lopped off the two biggest holes in our coverage ever (Frank Bush and EW).
With that said, I don’t feel warm and fuzzy about the draft, yet. I need to see what they do before I pass a yea or nay vote of confidence. Even still, I see a good season ahead for our boys, and am excited to cheer them on.
Someone has to make a final decision. It’s Kubiak’s team; not Wade’s. Will Rick Smith and Kubiak lean heavily on Wade’s opinion when selecting defensive players? For sure, it’s about time they were able to attract a working defensive mind to the staff. And they realize that.
But if you think there won’t be offensive players chosen, perhaps even an equal or greater amount when compared with defense, then you’ve overlooked plenty. Someone must weigh drafting offensive against drafting defense, at every single spot. That isn’t Wade’s role…
You sound a lot like Kubiak there, CB
You ask a question and then answer it, “Sure,….”
spooky
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
hahaha
“And they realize that” sounds and awful lot like “and they’ll be the first to tell you that.”
Gary, is that you??
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
awww shucks... it's on me
Think I’m just a little famialiar with Koobs, being that I followed the Broncos and Koobs during his entire playing/coaching career? Yes. Yes you do.
Wait -there’s more!
Is Kubiak a defensive mastermind? Hell no, he isn’t. Has he been the de facto defensive co-ordinator during his entire Texans’ regime? Yes. Yes he has.
Was that by design? Could someone else please answer?
Re: Your last comment… Are some of you guys having some sort of contest to call dibs on claiming our next failure? It’s almost like you’re actively looking for things to get upset or worry about. I don’t get that about some of you folks.
This started when we where 3-1 and hasn’t stopped since.
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
by nolander on Feb 22, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I like talking about nagging little issues
This is a blog. If we didn’t talk about all these little things, what would we be doing here? Swapping Matt Schaub and Arian Foster recipes for brisket? We stay informed, we analyze, we state our opinions, we cheer on the home team in spite of their warts. Some are more optimistic than others. Some have trouble seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. It’s a study in human nature.
I love BattleRedBlog!!!
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
its fun
and if we keep passing on ubber talented players because of “character issues”, i will keep bitching.
when they pass on a freak like robert quinn for a “safe” ryan kerrigan im going to bitch and moan tell the end of eternity
go right ahead.
I won’t blame you if you do. I just realize that there are reasons to take and pass on any player in the draft. We’ll never know for sure if “character issues” are truly the reason they’ve ever passed on anyone. I feel that if you’ve got two players ranked the same, and one has the above stated issues, you just take the other guy, pretty clear-cut. Now the problem with the past is the said ranking. If our DC’s in the past were doing as Wade is, and describing the players they want/need to make their “defenses” work, there in lies the problem. Most of the problems are not black/white like we wish they were. Easier to lay blame that way.
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by beefy on Feb 23, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Its different when it dominates the discussion
and becomes a contest in one ups manship to be the “funniest” about how much we suck.
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
Sorry but I don't really see that here
I see the usual amount of frustration and pessimism, but like Rip said that’s just human nature.
So I suppose you must be talking about the pulse of this blog site before I got here. Cuz if you guys think people here are bitchy and whiny here, then no offense but you’re just spoiled. Go spend a week at HT.com and you’ll see what the status quo is for the uninformed and unintelligent Texans fan.
.02
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Pretty much
I feel the comments section of this blog went to shit in 10 and I loved it in 09, and a lot of that was due to everyone trying their hardest to show everyone how witty they where about the team sucking.
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
by nolander on Feb 22, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's just a coping mechanism
They’re just so desperate to taste that winning feeling that the only way to cope with failure is to smother it in humor. As annoying as that can be, it’s much worse when everyone is stomping their feet and crying.
I don’t mind negativity as long as it’s backed with intelligence, and not just irrational drivel meant to insult.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Except as I said it started when we where winning games
and its not like we didn’t have a huge losing streak last year.
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
Smoke and mirrors
Even though we were winning early, and there was no huge losing streak during the season, it was obvious that the product on the field was extremely flawed. And because expectations were much higher, it was bound to happen.
To each his own I guess, but from what I’ve seen here since joining BRB it hasn’t been bad at all. As a matter of fact, I get the impression that some folks are going out of their way to trump up the “negativity” charges against others just because they don’t like anyone to criticize anything. But that’s just my opinion.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
by Hydroshock on Feb 22, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
of course you don't
but comparing a mildly handicapped person to a handicapped person and saying “it could be worse” does not actually make that mildly handicapped person any less handicapped.
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
To be fair, they might have been redeemed...
By virtue of being right. Hell, after the 3-1 start, I convinced myself that the defense wasn’t as bad as it seemed, or would turn around once Cush came back and Kareem got his bearings. Yet, I was wrong, and we we proceeded to lose nine of the next twelve. A collapse like that warrants all the negativity that comes with it.
However, I too was irritated by every third comment being either, “FIRE FRANK BUSH!!!111” or “FUCK DUNTA!!!111”.
Yeah...
THOUGH the Fire Frank Bush comments were warranted…the FD ones maybe not so much. He sucked on his own in Atlanta.
Even still, I think compared to what I’ve seen from other sites cough ht.com cough, this group is pretty mild negativity-wise. There will always be some who are more negative than others cough Rip cough, but on here it’s a vast difference in true negativity and just having an opinion of consistent failures. Even the most negative are tolerable here…
I agree with Nolander 99%...
…the only point that I might differ on is that the general tone of the community has been somewhat more “upbeat” since the Wade Phillips hiring.
Differences of opinion are what make for good discussion, but as Nol and Nashmeister have pointed out, there was a stretch there where “creativity” was limited to thesaurus entries for “suck”.
But again, to hone my bi-polar tendencies and argue the other side, there was a stretch there when for all of my wishing for SOME comment/article that was not negative, I for the life of me couldn’t figure out how one could put a shine on the turd that the Texan’s season became toward the end.
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
I'm not burying the body
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
by nolander on Feb 22, 2011 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think there's a hooker that would take the job.
Unofficial counter-troll of Battle Red Blog.
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 23, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Well it's like a wise old man once told me (and all my friends too)
“…if she’ll fuck you, she’ll fuck anybody” this was his explanation for the reason that all of my girlfriends were whores. I cannot argue with his logic.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
by papabear on Feb 23, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Do you think I'm too negative?
Do I need to change my ways?
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Completely agree Nolander
The Horse population has been devastated around these parts, and there are plenty still walking around with their whoppin’ clubs. i.e. bleach, ex-bronco, colorado state, and TE comments
It’s like perpetually walking around a blue collar comedy show.
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As long as the mental midget
As long as the mental midget from Humble and his fellow Denver reject Smith are infecting this team, nothing will change, including the assessment of talent, or total lack thereof. As always with these respective charlatans (McNair, Kubiak & Smith) it is but another beginning, to another year, and a return to yet another familiar refrain of, ‘Send in the Clowns.’
by GKtheHumbleCharlatan on Feb 23, 2011 9:04 AM CST reply actions
Yeah
I don’t know if he/she planned that, but it was excellent timing and execution! Nailed it.
Ha!
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