Bargument: Would Amobi Okoye Fetch More In Trade Now Than Travis Johnson Did In 2009?
by Tim on Feb 23, 2011 11:30 AM CST
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PrintLast night, Rivers and I grabbed a beer at 360. Good times were had by all. But you probably guessed that.
As the discussion meandered along, the conversation turned to your Houston Texans, as it is wont to do. I'm not sure exactly when we started specifically talking about Amobi Okoye; I believe it was sometime before Rivers expressed sincere pity that I never owned a Super Nintendo, yet sometime after we debated the potential effect the purported regime change in Egypt has had on the current strife in Libya my chicken fingers arrived.
Back on point: If you hadn't heard, I'm not the biggest fan of Amobust Mr. Okoye. While Rivers is skeptical Amobi will ever prove himself worthy of the tenth overall pick of the 2007 NFL Draft, he believes Okoye still has the potential to be a productive part of the defensive line rotation in Wade Phillips' new 3-4. I harbor no such optimism, yet readily admit that I generally have no clue what I'm talking about and thus could very, very easily be wrong.
When a Texans fan is talking about defensive tackles and the complete absence of hope that said defensive tackle will ever prove himself to be a regularly productive member of the team, it's natural that the words "Travis" and "Johnson" will come up. As Rivers and I continued the debate, I wondered aloud whether the Texans would be able to get a better package in trade for Amobi Okoye right now than what they got for Travis Johnson from the Chargers back on August 31, 2009. In other words, would the Texans get more than a conditional sixth-round pick for Amobi Okoye if they tried to trade him?
I'm not so sure they would, though I'd guess they'd net a slightly better return. I think the best case scenario would be a fifth-round pick for Amobi Okoye. The highest return speculated (from none other than BFD) was a third or fourth-round pick, which immediately garnered a retort from me questioning his sobriety.
There's not even a scintilla of a rumor that the Texans are interested in jettisoning Okoye; it's just an interesting question to ponder. Express your opinion in the poll and Comments below.
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I don’t think he rates better than a 4th rounder. I went with 5th round. Yes, he has some mileage left on him, based on age. But, he does have wear and tear based on years in the league. I also don’t think he has done anything to separate himself from any potential middle rounder coming out for the draft this year.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Samesies.
If somebody offered a fourth, I’d take that deal in a heartbeat. Hell… Kerry Rhodes went for a fourth last year. I don’t think there’s any place for Okoye in a 3-4, and there’s not a whole lot of demand for 4-3 players out there. Maybe somebody like Minnesota or Tampa would take him for depth.
by Nashmeister on Feb 23, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Tampa won't
They spent 2 high draft picks on DTs last season.
A team that could use him would be someone who lets him shoot the gaps with his speed. Minnesota, Philly, New Orleans, Atlanta, Carolina are all teams who come to mind as those who could use a 4-3 gapshooter – starter or depth.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Plus they new have
Okam who is playing better for them then he ever did for us.
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
you never had a super Nintendo
Poor bastard
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Oh, The Humanity!
I went from the original Nintendo, to Sega Genesis, to N64, to PS2, to the Xbox 360 my wife got me this past Christmas.
Rivers thinks there’s a hole in my soul, thanks to the lack of Super NES on that resume.
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by Tim on Feb 23, 2011 11:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Super nes Mario kart is epic
And PS3 > 360 by a long shot, unless you are 13 and play online.
We could get a fourth MAYBE, or swap him for another under achiever, maybe a CB or true NT
by AllenOU on Feb 23, 2011 12:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Mario Kart was the shit
We used to have massive Mario Kart (N64-I’m not that old) sessions after class in college that may or may not have involved large quantities of alcohol and most definitely led to huge arguments.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Re: Mario Kart
Was a huge part of my college life. Many a class was missed, and many a beer was drank, while playing Mario Kart from 1997-2001.
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I hope you put the controller down while you drank.
Otherwise that’s drinking and driving, which is firmly against the rules of the excellent Mario Kart drinking game.
by Nashmeister on Feb 23, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
I started off with Coleco vision
old school…I was the only kid I knew who had one too.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
I had an original Pong
Then went to Intellivision.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 23, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
Intellivison
I had one as a kid and it was buggy as hell. The paddle calibration was terrible.
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I heard about stuff like that
But I never had those problems.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 23, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Commodore 64
MOON PATROL. That is all. Or that beer bartender game, that was dope as well.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
My fave...
was M.U.L.E.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 23, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Mind Blown
I used to love that game as a kid. I have never heard anyone mention that game in at least 10 to 15 years.
by PassMeTheBleach on Feb 23, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
My sister and I were talking about it this weekend
So it was fresh.
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Prepare for jealousy
I still have all my old Atari computer disks (meaning I have about 700 games) including the original M.U.L.E. disk and folder package it came in. I also loved Ball Blaster if you remember that one. Oh and Alleycat.
Wow!
That’s pretty crazy.
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I'm close
NES > Sega > N64 > GameCube (Why did I do this?) > Wii/360.
I suppose I have the same SNES-sized hole in my heart.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I always thought there was something wrong with you and Tim
It’s all starting to make sense.
Actually I’m not positive that I ever owned one…but there were a bunch of kids my age in the neighborhood and we would strategically plan out our Christmas wish list and then trade things around.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Similar path.
But replace the Gamecube with a Dreamcast. Oh, how that thing sucked. Also, there was some sort of a trade in the middle in which my fool-of-a-brother exchanged several of our NES games (including the gold original Zelda) for a Sega CD that began letting off smoke as soon as it was plugged in. Huge mistake. But man, that NES rocked hard. Video games peaked too early. Punch-out, Ice Hockey, Castlevania, Contra… Epic.
by Nashmeister on Feb 23, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
This is truly saddening to me.
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by riversmccown on Feb 23, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously though
the Genesis was the wrong choice.
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
the genesis was awesome
it lacked a little in the big name game department, but there were plenty of fun games for it. When it launched it was the baddest thing around and made all my friends jealous.
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Confession time:
I have the Streets of Rage 2 soundtrack on my Ipod. It’s amazing stuff for MIDI.
Same.
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by riversmccown on Feb 23, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Getting to the conference championships is awesome
winning the super bowl is better.
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
True story
Even though I loved Sonic the Hedgehog, Joe Montana Football, and NHL 95…hard to justify the decision.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Joe Montana Sports Talk Football was revolutionary
First football game to go with voice over commentary. Granted, it was VERY primitive but still awesome.
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AND
It was the first to be officially licensed by the NFL, according to Wiki
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How is it...
That so many people I know had NHL 95, but no one I know is a real hockey fan. That game was the shit! But I had it on SNES.
That's the sign of a great game
The same reason so many non soccer fans play FIFA.
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 23, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
I had it.
It was useful. I enjoyed playing Chu Chu rocket. I don’t remember the other games.
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Marvel Vs Capcom 2 & Power Stone 1 & 2 were awesome
Also Armada & the Sonic Adventure games were pretty good as well. There were a couple of other good games which names escape my mind right now
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by The Night Owl on Feb 23, 2011 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
There was a game
A guy with a giant sword or something. It came free with it. I forgot the title though. But it was intriguing.
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Buy one. Like now. I know they can be had for about $50 nowadays.
I actually went and bought one and have been trying to find my old SNES games over the last several years.
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 23, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
or just buy a wii
and vc the games, since all the good snes games cost like 70 bucks on ebay. Or just emulate them.
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
I do have a Wii actually but a lot of the games I like aren't available on it.
And I get a little uneasy about using emulators, since there’s all kind of gray areas about copyright stuff.
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 23, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Gray areas?
you mean the fact that it is completely illegal? :-p
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Pretty much.
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 23, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
I think I might have quite a few of you beat
NES > GameBoy > SNES > GBC > N64 > PS1 > PS2 > GBA > XBOX > Numerous Emulators > PSP > XBOX360 > PS3
I never owned a Genesis or Dreamcast, but my cousins had one of each, so I didn’t miss out there. Video game wise, I haven’t been deprived of much at all
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Feb 23, 2011 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
I'm quite partial to the NES emulators
Especially when you see stuff like this getting made nowadays
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCcs68qXbg8
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by The Night Owl on Feb 23, 2011 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
Don't forget about arcade dig dug!!!!
PS2>N64>NES>Atari>360>PS3>Sega Saturn>PS1>SNES>Wii>Commodore64
I was only 5 or 6 but Pitfall blew my mind at that time. Plus others for Atari (joust, etc.)
Moon Patrol, Dig Dug, and Track and Field are the three arcade games I used to switch between at the old Gold Mine @ Westwood Mall and Games People Play (LOL…Haven’t thought of that in a long time) . Plus that old Star Wars & Ghosts and Goblins game attacking the deathstar game were pretty good..
Best competitve arcade game, by far IMO, is Street Fighter 2 championship edition. Line used to be out the door at local convenience store (Stop and Go) and I could , literally, play for hours on 1 quarter taking on all the chumps. Plus a few dollars switching hands. Not to mention how many squabs broke out due to the outcome…lol—→ I said squabs…lol
Once PS3 dropped price the 12 year olds (percentage wise) are equal on both systems online.
BTW, I believe a 4th for Amobi.
by BRHustla on Feb 26, 2011 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
meant to put G&G after deathstar.
1 too many drinks.
Or 1 not enough.
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I forgot about DigDug!
Hated it though. I was a terror on Joust, when I got to play. When my son acquired a GameCube, one of the first disks we picked up had a bunch of these old games on it, Joust, Meteroids (or whatever it was called), a few more that the titles escape me.
Found out I hadn’t lost the touch in joust…..son got to where he wouldn’t play me anymore. lol
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
I can’t believe you never had an SNES. Then again, I can’t believe ANYONE didn’t have an SNES. My world no longer makes sense.
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 23, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Its easy to forget how big
the Genesis was back in the day
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
I actually had both growing up.
But I was underwhelmed by the Genesis, for the most part.
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 23, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
I had an NES
But my first love was the Commodore64
I know technically not a gaming machine – but with the little cartridges – it was just like one
As far as PS3 being better than a 360 – a few years ago all 360’s quality sucked (they broke down) however, the graphics are superior on the 360. From a practical matter, the PS3 is a good blue-ray disc player so if you can only have one, and don’t have a blue ray it may be smart. There is a lot more “downloadable” content for the 360. I am not sure one is better – it is just what fits you.
I am totally optimistic about the Texans new season - at least until the first of the 4 or 2 (if any) preseason games
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 24, 2011 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
You also questioned my manhood, I believe.
No, wait, that was my wife.
My argument is that he’s still very young, has had horrid coaching, has played in shitty systems, yet he’s still proven the ability to be disruptive. He was 3rd in QB hits and 13th in QB pressures for DTs last year. He was 12th and 4th in those categories in 2009, 3rd in QB pressures in 2008. I think he could excel in a 1-gap system by just letting him pin his ears back and head to the QB.
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I agree with this
and if Wade’s willing to use 4 man fronts then great.
As for a 3-4, I don’t know if he fits.
"Lord, beer me strength."
We'll show plenty of 4 man fronts.
Plenty of nickle to be played against the horseshoes.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
that's why I think he could garner a 4th
But nothing higher. The “man-child” apparently still hasn’t had his nuts drop yet.
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Am I missing something
Cant he be a 3-4 end, in a rotation with Mario and Antonio. If he succeeds there, we can cut Antonio next off season and rid ourselves of that contract
by AllenOU on Feb 23, 2011 12:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
3-4 end on the strong-side is more of a run-stopping position, no?
We need somebody there who can hold their ground against OTs. Amobi tends to get blown off the line… With the exception of the occasional four-man front and maybe NT in a passing situation, I’m not seeing a role for him here.
by Nashmeister on Feb 23, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
When asked to "read" the block...
Yes, he’d get blown back. When he was shooting upfield, as we saw some this past year, he made several plays on runs in the backfield. We’re TOLD this is how Wade’s 3-4 is run, so he’s back to having some value here.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Were we really doing that with him?
When Bush came in, the change he boasted from the Richard Smith scheme was that we were going to end read-and-react and go to shoot-the-gaps. Maybe he nixed that after a hearty dose of overpursuit, but I didn’t think so.
I don't know if anyone knows for sure...
ESPECIALLY Bush. tee-hee
But seriously, you could tell on several plays that he was shooting upfield, as opposed to the year before with Smith when it was a “grab and redirect.” But sometimes, you didn’t see it, so again, who knows what the hell they were told to do? That IS what they said they’d do, though, and I did see it some.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
That's what I thought.
Same with Earl Mitchell.
The idea never had much traction, though.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Okay, and
While those are all good things, this is what leads me to believe it’s a 5th/6th if he was dealt:
-No track record of consistency whatsoever.
-Other teams know we have no leverage because he’s a better 4-3 DT than a 3-4 DE.
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by riversmccown on Feb 23, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Any Chance...
That the three people who have voted “first-round pick” are NFL GMs? Or maybe just Rick Smith voting under three different accounts?
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by Tim on Feb 23, 2011 12:50 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Probably Not
I don’t think Scott even watches football anymore.
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Does that mean you quit Zima Tim?
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Heresy!
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You'll Have To Pry The Zima
From my cold, dead hand.
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We really shouldn't have to though.
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 23, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
Don't worry
He’ll run out long before he dies. And, not necessarily because they don’t make it anymore. But because he drinks it in such quantities, no remaining supply of Zima would last that long….
I guess that means because they don’t make it anymore, but you know what I mean.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I somehow see Tim acting like Gollum when that happens,
Clutching his last bottle of Zima, rocking back and forth saying “I muss protects teh Precious!”
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 23, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
wearing a panda suit would be appropriate
if someone could transfer that vision to a t-shirt, life would be good again…
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
You REALLY want that t-shirt
I wouldn’t mind one, I admit.
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Just think of how cool you would be wearing one
well…….., me wearing one
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Let's just go with...
…it would be a cool looking shirt.
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I've already got that one
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Zima and Chicken Tenders?
Yeah… Yeah, that’s about how I saw it happening.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Make that four.
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Heh
But you did it just to piss off Tim :-)
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If we can get a 1st rounder for Shane Battier
why can’t we get the same for Okoye? They both play defense!
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Migraines.
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 24, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
A mass number of all you can eat restaurant bankruptcies?
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 24, 2011 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I make a good straight man
I set you guys up so many times…..
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
We traded Battier?
Oh praise the laaaawd!
Daryl Morey is just magical. Can we trade Rick Smith for him? Having a brilliant GM at a sport I don’t much care for does me no good.
He traded Aaron Brooks for another good PG & another first round pick
IN MOREY WE FUCKING TRUST!!!!!!!
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by The Night Owl on Feb 24, 2011 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
Gotta be part of a bigger plan.
They’ve still got some pieces, a ton of cap room, and a bunch of high draft picks coming up. Might be able to swing a trade for a superstar in the off-season.
Or turn those draft picks into a young center & forward
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by The Night Owl on Feb 24, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
Ah yes
The 50 year plan to bring the Rockets back to relevance. Some day gents. Some day.
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by Hydroshock on Feb 25, 2011 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
A Ton of draft room?
We’ve been over the cap for years. I think he’s gotten most of the really bad contracts off the books and once Yao comes off the books we should have some space….but I don’t think we have ton of cap space. I could be completely wrong because I haven’t followed all that closely though.
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