Eating Crow: My Case For Von Miller
For the last few weeks, I’ve been resisting the popular theory that the Houston Texans should select Von Miller with the eleventh overall pick. I felt so strongly that it was a bad idea that I wrote an entire article to explain my reasoning. As the title to this post suggests, I have changed my mind on the matter. This isn’t, however, simply a case of suddenly thinking he has ability whereas I didn’t before. If you read the previously linked article, you’ll see that my reasoning was not due to Miller having a lack of talent, but rather the question of how that talent fit on the Texans roster.
So what could have changed in a couple of weeks? There have been no developments with the team that suddenly created a need for Miller, and there won’t be any roster changes until the draft itself because of the CBA uncertainty. While the Texas A&M linebacker spent a week down at the Senior Bowl in the spotlight, very few things were revealed about Miller that weren’t already known during the practices and the game itself. My change of heart is a combination of getting to see him more during NFL Network’s coverage, and a reevaluation of how he might be utilized by Wade Phillips in the new 3-4 scheme. Below the jump, I’ll play devil’s advocate to my previously used rationale, and tell you why I was probably wrong.
Here are my former reasons and my newfound arguments against them:
1. Connor Barwin is a better fit at WOLB – My opinion on this matter hasn’t changed. I won’t completely repeat all the reasons, but the summary is Barwin has two NFL training camps and one successful NFL season on not only Miller but every other OLB draftee and he is just as suited physically. Drafted players are usually the flavor of the month, but people quickly forget about them once they have an NFL season under their belt unless they performed at ROY levels. Often times, it takes a season or two to develop that physically gifted college player into an every-down, effective NFL player. So just remember as we watch draftees at the Combine dazzle with their straight line speed, Barwin ran a sub 4.5 forty yard dash and had the athleticism to work out effectively as an offensive lineman, a wide receiver, a defensive end and a linebacker.
2. Von Miller relies solely on speed and is raw as a pass rusher – So why would I reemphasize my opinion in paragraph 1 that Barwin should start at WOLB in an endorsement for drafting Miller? Miller could start at SOLB. His incredible speed would often be enough to take advantage of offenses that schemed to stop Barwin and Mario Williams on the other side. Miller also showed in Mobile that while not perfect, he can use his athleticism to cover in space. This would allow Miller to play while an NFL coaching staff developed him as a pass rusher, an on-the-job training program, if you will. Also, Williams, Barwin and Miller on the field together would give Wade Phillips three pass rushers to allow creativity, something that essentially has never been seen on a Texans defense ever.
3. One of this year’s draft class' deepest positions is outside linebacker – While there are several linebackers I would love to have if we did not have Barwin already, most fit the same role that he does--an athletic player with size who can get to the quarterback but probably not cover effectively. Sticking someone like Robert Quinn or Justin Houston opposite Barwin would be great for rushing the passer, but that would make the defense extremely vulnerable over the middle, which is where hot routes to avoid pressure are usually located. Nevada's Dontay Moch is likely the only other 3-4 OLB prospect who can match Miller’s athleticism, and he is much more raw than the Butkus Award winner.
Look at the defenses that Wade Phillips ran most recently with the Cowboys and the Chargers. With Phillips at the helm, they always featured a prominent pressure linebacker, namely Shawne Merriman and DeMarcus Ware. The most successful of years for these two defenses, however, were the seasons that there was a prominent pass rusher opposite the main rush linebacker. Greg Ellis filled that role in 2007, while Shaun Phillips did in 2006. 2006 was Phillips’ rookie season, by the way, and he was considered underdeveloped as a pass rusher going into the draft. The threat of Merriman on the other side allowed Phillips an easier path to opposing quarterbacks and 11.5 sacks.
Between his success at the Senior Bowl and what will surely be an impressive performance at the Combine, the Texans may not even be faced with the decision whether to draft Miller or not. If that is the case, I would not be in favor of drafting any OLB at eleven because I don’t think there is another linebacker that has the combination of speed and coverage ability that Miller currently possesses. The previously mentioned Moch would be the next best candidate in the second round to fill that role.
My change of heart on Miller had more to do with a personal reevaluation of his potential role with the Texans than his recent performance at the Senior Bowl, although it was beneficial to see him in coverage during the drills. I find it ironic, though, that if the Texans were without Barwin or someone that I felt comfortable filling the WOLB role, I would be more in favor of drafting someone like Quinn or Houston. What about you, BRB readers? Have your opinions on the target for the eleventh pick changed at all?
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I'm with you on Miller.
I have been hesitant to see him on the Texans because he does seem so one-dimensional. BUT, having said that, I can see him being a great situational pass rusher AND potentially being a really good coverage backer.
With his speed, he should be able to play the coverage schemes better than any linebacker on our roster right now. Given how poor our linebackers generally are in coverage, I could see Miller fitting in and imrpoving our defense; and in the final analysis every step forward our defense takes is one step closer to the playoffs.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
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It won't matter anyway guys
He isn’t going to be there at 11, and I personally think he will go to zona at 5.
Unless we were to trade up which won’t happen, he isn’t going to be there.
by AllenOU on Feb 7, 2011 12:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I believe there's about 30 players not expected not to be on the board when the Texans pick at 11
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Feb 7, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Glad to see you're coming around.
He might be one-dimensional, but it’s an extremely important dimension, and one that we simply don’t have on defense: speed. It seems like there’s a tendency to rag on the highly touted players every year (as I recall, people were up in arms about the possibility of taking Earl Thomas last year). But this guy is the best 3-4 pass-rusher in the draft, and unless I’m mistaken, that’s something we need dearly. In fact, I wouldn’t even mind trading up for him. If it’s the difference between getting an impact player versus another average player, it seems worth it.
Dont think.
I see alot of people saying Miller at 5 to Arizona. I am still convinced they have other issues they need to take care of. Their defense only gave up 18.1 points a game this past season. I see more need offensively than defenisviely. So I still have a feeling that the Texans will have a shot at Von.
by Patrick D. Starr on Feb 7, 2011 1:12 PM CST reply actions
They need a QB badly
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Feb 7, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
They can get one in round 2 if need be
Ponder wouldn’t be bad.
Even if he makes it past 5. San Francisco could snag him at 7. And Dallas at 9 could too.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Or Arizona or San Fran could take a gamble on Cam Newton in the first
and South Oklahoma could reach at Ingram
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Feb 7, 2011 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
I am a San Fran fan
Among san fran fans, Von Miller is probably the the most wanted player in the draft outside of Patrick Peterson who could possibly, although very unlikely, drop to us. Quinn/Prince is probably third. Teams that dont need quarterbacks, would love for all those teams ahead of them to draft them. And after reading a fair number of other teams blogs, I find it remarkable that not a single one of them want them to take a quarterback in this years blog. Even going down to Minny at #12 the fans still arent interested in taking the top prospect, whether it be Gabbert, Locker, Newton, Mallett whoever. I, as a 49er fan dream that one is taken ahead of them, thus freeing them up to take either peterson, quinn, or miller who will probably be available. Cam Jordan has moved up a lot of draft boards as well. Some people are proposing trade scenarios with the texans where we move down to 11 and pick up some later round picks (3rd/4ths) as the general consensus is you could really use miller, whereas we could still maybe pick up jordan or even Jimmy Smith who most people prefer over prince.
Would you guys be angry with a trade up to get Miller if you felt you couldnt get him otherwise, or would you rather wait til ur turn and pick up one of the plethora of olbs/des/cbs that drop to you?
The Texans don't trade up
We Trade back. If Von Miller isn’t there at 11, we’ll probably take Aldon Smith, Peterson or Prince (if either falls that far), or we’d look to trade back
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Feb 9, 2011 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
I would be delighted to see Miller taken ahead of us.
I’m not a fan of one-dimensional players.
I’d prefer that we take Aldon Smith, Cameron Jordan, or Ryan Kerrigan.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
Case dismissed
Due to lack of evidence.
The evidence clearly suggests that CB and S positions have no depth whatsoever and should be out main focus, along with a D lineman to play NT in our new defensive scheme.
If you're talking draft
There’s no safety worth the 11th pick….or even 20th pick.
CBs, it’s a near consensus that a veteran CB is much preferred over a rookie CB that isn’t Prince or Patrick.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I've said it before
And I’ll say it again. Trade the pick for secondary help and a lower pick. Or a D lineman. Either way, I think we should trade down.
Yea...
Trade back to the 20s, so we can get another quality player like Kareem Jackson.
by Nashmeister on Feb 7, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Super Rec'd
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by taylorrohrman on Feb 7, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
It's easier to say trade back than it is to do it
There has to be a team with need and a player at the 11th position to go after. Then, the Texans have to hope a player they need and want is there later in the draft at their new spot.
I’m not pinning any high hopes for this to all happen.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on Feb 7, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
but don't stop mentioning it, folks
What was it that someone said. Wishing for a trade is like speculation on top of fantasy all mixed up with crapshoot gravy?…no! Errr, I mean …..awwww, forget it! Let’s just start a petition to tell Rick Smith that is what we want, because we need value and where’s the value in #11?
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on Feb 7, 2011 6:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hey devin mccourty was there at 20
And Jackson was a reach IMO, and a pretty bad reach.
Since wade will have say in defense draft picks, or I’m assuming he will, then I think trading down is the best possible scenario.
I’d much rather have a Kerrigan or ayers or smith at 18-25 than miller at 11, which he won’t be there. And get an extra pick in the process
by AllenOU on Feb 7, 2011 4:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Kerrigan is certainly good mid-round value.
But I don’t get the Ayers and Smith hype. Complete gambles, as far as I’m concerned. With Miller though, you’ve got incredible production, 3-4 experience, and come combine, I’m guessing we’ll see blazing speed. And as this becomes more and more of a sissy finesse passing league, I’m really not worried about his size.
I've got a hunch
He’ll measure out at much less than the 6’3" he’s listed.
""Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot" ~ BFD
Headline: Sally eats crow,
Nicely put – I always say on the 1st pick, take the best player available – whatever the position. Fill your needs with the rest :)
I am totally optimistic about the Texans new season - at least until the first of the 4 or 2 (if any) preseason games
For all the Texans draft faults
they seem to have gotten it right for the most part at LB. Ryans, Cushing, Barwin, and Sharpton have all been good draft picks. While I still hope for a dream scenerio of Dareus or Prince, I am willing to put my faith in the Texans’ ability to scout and develop talent at LB so picking Miller would make me very happy as well.
All but ryans are still wait and see
Cushing might not ever be the same, as with Demeco
Sharpton was a rookie but I do like him
Barwin hasn’t really had the chance to prove himself.
by AllenOU on Feb 7, 2011 11:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
TRINDON HOLLIDAY!
…..wait…..damnit,
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
What happens when an unstoppable force meets three defensive players? THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU
by TexansForever on Feb 8, 2011 6:24 AM CST up reply actions
von miller looked great
i have seen him in a couple of games and was very impressed. my only concern is getting a houston local boy and it is always in issue – are we judging him like we would a guy who is not local?
i love his spead and he seems to be a bright guy so it would fit well with the group
dr. uri heiman , israeli texan
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