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I got the folllowing email from the Texans this afternoon, and I'm once again baffled by Bob McNair's complete lack of personal and organizational awareness.  How this man has amassed more than $1 billion is completely beyond my comprehension.  The retort I sent to the Texans is after the jump.  Not holding my breath for a response...

When making your initial payment for your season tickets you signed up for the automatic payment plan for your seats. Your account is scheduled to be charged for the 2nd installment of 25% Thursday, March 17, 2011. By signing up for the payment plan you will not receive another invoice and the credit/debit card you used will be charged on the remaining due dates of April 18 and May 17. 

As you are probably aware, the negotiations between the NFL and the players union for a new Collective Bargaining Agreement broke down on Friday, March 11, and the current CBA has expired.  The NFL and its clubs are committed to continuing negotiations and are confident that an agreement will be reached.  We are hopeful that the negotiation process does not disrupt the 2011 season and we are preparing for the season.  We wanted to make sure you knew our policies regarding season tickets in the event games are missed.

  • In the event that we miss any games, season ticket holders can elect to receive a refund for the price of your tickets/parking for any games that we miss or receive credit for future games. 
  •  If you pay in full by May 18, 2011 you will be eligible to receive interest on your refund. Simple interest will be paid at the annual rate of 1% and will be calculated for the period beginning with the first game missed through the date the refund is processed.

If you have any questions regarding these policies or would like to adjust your automatic payment plan please give our office a call at 832-667-2002.

Thank you for your support.

Houston Texans Ticket Office

Star-divide

My response:

Date: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:59 PM
Subject: RE: Houston Texans Season Ticket Account Information
To: Houston Texans <TICKETING@houstontexans.com>

Dear Texans Ticketing Employee Who Will Probably Never Read This Email,

Let me just make sure I fully understand Mr. McNair’s stance on this issue. 

First, I pay the Texans up-front, 6 months in advance for games that may or may not ever be played.  Mr. McNair is then free to invest my money at market rates (let’s say conservatively he can get 4%).  Then in the event that the games are not played, Mr. McNair will refund my money that I paid him 6 month prior (the money that he has been making 4% on) with 1% of annualized interest…but that interest is only calculated from the date of the cancelled game until you refund my money.  Now let’s assume that the Texans operate like any other normal business and send the refund checks out within 30 days.  So by not playing a game, Mr. McNair makes 4% for 6 months on every ticket bought by his season ticket holders, and he then refunds their money with 1% interest for 1 month.  This is what we in the financial world would refer to as an arbitrage opportunity…guaranteed profit with zero risk. 

Bravo, Mr. McNair!  You’ve found yet another way to siphon even more money off your fans without even playing a game.  You should thank God every day that you own an NFL franchise and not a MLB, NBA, or (God forbid) an NHL franchise…because with your team’s record over the years, combined with insulting "offers" such as this for your highest-paying customers, the never-before-seen popularity of the NFL is the only thing keeping your franchise from being completely irrelevant.

Please feel free to contact me to discuss this matter further.  Thank you.

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Hey, that’s 1% more than we’d get if the season started on time! Huzzah!

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Mar 15, 2011 2:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I blame

De Smith

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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 15, 2011 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

shut up Jor... hey!

These hands will always be rough

by nolander on Mar 15, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

/shakes fist at you

"KUBIAK FUCKING SUCKS. BOB MCNAIR SUCKS. THE TEXANS SUCKS."

-90% of the Texans blogosphere-

by Jordann on Mar 15, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh

:-)

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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 15, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

/wags

/offers Panda Suit & popsicle

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Mar 15, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wish I was a blonde girl.

Soo you can just dangle shiny shit in front of my face and be distracted by ti.

OOOOHHHH!! SHINY!

/sexist

"KUBIAK FUCKING SUCKS. BOB MCNAIR SUCKS. THE TEXANS SUCKS."

-90% of the Texans blogosphere-

by Jordann on Mar 15, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I thought you were a browncoat for a second there...

…alas no such luck.

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Mar 18, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

These NFL higher-ups aren't giving us enough credit...

As a season ticket holder, I hope like crazy that something will be resolved before the lockout affects games being played. Do they think that us fans are just going to forgive them for all of their transgressions and flood the stadiums once the lockout ends? They treat me like an ugly sap who has been cheated on by his hot girlfriend. Granted, a lot of you ugly guys out there will take back your hot girlfriend with open arms after she’s chugged a barrel’s worth of dong on your dime.

Ugly Boyfriend=Texans Fans and Hot Chick=Houston Texans Franchise..

Guess what Houston Texans Franchise! You’re not that hot. I can cheat on you as well.. The person I will cheat on you with is a 55" LCD HDTv with a fully paid subscription to the Red Zone channel. Get your act together and let’s not let this come down to a pissing match.. Stadium proceeds will suffer. Seats will be empty. Don’t screw with a good thing!! This isn’t a threat. It’s a promise. GO TEXANS

by ChadillacSHSU on Mar 15, 2011 3:16 PM CDT reply actions  

They're giving you

About the same amount of credit a dealer gives an addict.

Frank Bush delenda est

by JimboTexan on Mar 15, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Red zone is for pussies

NFL Sunday ticket is for men

by AllenOU on Mar 15, 2011 4:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

And RedZone is not on DirecTV

*In the form that everyone else gets.

by TSSaloic on Mar 15, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you talking about me?

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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 15, 2011 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

...and me?

"Each day is better than the next" ~ Dom "Woogie" Woganowski

by LoneSpot on Mar 15, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on guise

he’s clearly talking about me.

"KUBIAK FUCKING SUCKS. BOB MCNAIR SUCKS. THE TEXANS SUCKS."

-90% of the Texans blogosphere-

by Jordann on Mar 15, 2011 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

All three of you have enough willpower to use a keyboard correctly.

I’m talking about people who can’t even do that.

You know, chron.com commenters.

by riversmccown on Mar 16, 2011 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Since Shake never comments anymore.

I’ll do his job for him.

Hey Jay! Nice to have you around! So is this like comment no 1 of 4 for the season? See ya in five months!

"KUBIAK FUCKING SUCKS. BOB MCNAIR SUCKS. THE TEXANS SUCKS."

-90% of the Texans blogosphere-

by Jordann on Mar 15, 2011 4:45 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Hi Jordann

Yes, this counts as my 1Q2011 contribution. See yall in late April when I’ll bitch about draft picks (God help me if they take a TE) for my 2Q2011 contribution to this fine online community.

Yes...as a matter of fact, that IS a pic of Steve McNair & Sahel Kazemi parasailing. Suck it, Titans fans.

by -Jay on Mar 16, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

They'll take two TE's.

/hands the baseball bat to dillo

"KUBIAK FUCKING SUCKS. BOB MCNAIR SUCKS. THE TEXANS SUCKS."

-90% of the Texans blogosphere-

by Jordann on Mar 17, 2011 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

/drags the bat under the bed to add to the collection

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Mar 18, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for Shake on Shake crime.

"Each day is better than the next" ~ Dom "Woogie" Woganowski

by LoneSpot on Mar 16, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again??

Geez. He barely got out alive last time.

I shall facebook stalk him now. What is his last name again? Rhymes with “Ralph Nader” from what I member.

"KUBIAK FUCKING SUCKS. BOB MCNAIR SUCKS. THE TEXANS SUCKS."

-90% of the Texans blogosphere-

by Jordann on Mar 17, 2011 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

That guy's left hand is having a seizure.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Mar 15, 2011 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quit Your #$%$^ Moaning!

Man I am sick of this shit! Stop blaming others! If you don’t like the way McNair does business then cease doing business with him
Did McNair or an employee of the Texans Organization come to your house and stick a gun in your ear? If not then sell your PSL’s if you are so “Upset”

by Hangbok on Mar 15, 2011 5:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Are you serious?

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Mar 15, 2011 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I LOL'd at this

Seriously, for the price of season tickets and PSL’s, all fans are entitled to their opinions of how things are run.

There’s a lot of things in life we are unhappy with that we don’t boycott.

Geez.

by WhiskeyR on Mar 15, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh I get it

You mean people are so bored (have no life) that they will go out and spend money on something they don’t like… Masochists!

And by the way I sold my PSL’s instead bitching about it as I am a reformed Masochist

Anyhu… Go Texans…hopefully in 2011

by Hangbok on Mar 15, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Art of Bitching

I actually had other reasons as well for selling, so your comment of “overreaction” is just an overreaction to my reaction to your first reaction :)

and this blog post in my opinion is not very useful, as bitching about somebody’s business motives and then continuing to pay this business, knowing full well that they are NOT going to change there policy is pretty useless, unless he is trying to get more people to hate the Texans and Bob McNair…which I do not agree with. The best way to get the attention of a business is to NOT buy their product. I chose to support the Texans financially and now I am choosing not to, I may in the future decide to support them again but in the meantime I will just provide moral support and hope they play football in 2011

TaTa

by Hangbok on Mar 15, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is almost too ridiculous to deserve a reply, but I'll play along.

Who exactly was I “blaming” in this email? I am a paying customer, turned debt holder, of the Texans organization, and I am expressing my displeasure with a policy that defies all logic from a financial perspective.

And your “sell your PSL” argument? Why would I sell an asset (PSL) when its value is at an all-time low, then try to re-purchase it at a later date when it will likely be over-valued…when I can hold the asset and sell the rights to it (tickets) for at least break-even? Riddle me that, Mr. Buffett.

The A/C went out? Fuck it! Let’s sell the house.

Yes...as a matter of fact, that IS a pic of Steve McNair & Sahel Kazemi parasailing. Suck it, Titans fans.

by -Jay on Mar 16, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not Ridiculous, This is fun to bat back and forth...

Your letter and your comment reads as if the PSL’s are in fact a financial investment for you… If this is true do you sell your tickets for profit? Because that is the only way you are going to make money on your "Investment", otherwise you are emotionally invested in which case you should probably write a different letter
I see Your letter as just a couple of negative comments complaining about how the man makes a profit from your money. Every year you have to pay 6 months in advance for tickets, NOTHING has changed. If there is no season I would be more inclined to see your displeasure, but at this time nothing is different from last year, so I am sorry I just do not agree with the timing or the negativity of your post.
And you guys with your overreactions to my comments, Again, I had other motives as well for selling my PSL’s and managed to actually make a few hundred off the sale (I gotta good deal when I bought them). Lost money though trying to sell some of my tickets last year (don’t start, I was overseas) To try to equate selling your house with Selling PSL’s is a tad overly dramatic… PSL’s are a luxury purchase, if you are buying them for investments, you must be a scalper
Thanks for the replies, this has been fun and lets hope the NFL gets there head out of there asses and plays some football
Cheers

by Hangbok on Mar 17, 2011 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I rec'd the shit out of this post.

I am still happy I didn’t renew my tickets for the first time in franchise historyone

by Mike Kerns on Mar 15, 2011 6:05 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

For everyone's sake here

I hope you have some regret about this decision in January…err, whenever they get around to the end of the regular season.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Mar 15, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh

I did that. Right before UT’s 2004 (and then 2005 season). The boy was born, though, so we had to make a financially-based choice.

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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 15, 2011 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never Have Regrets in Life...that is no way to live

I can pick-up PSL’s anytime I want (have you seen the quantitiy of listings on the Texans site?). Buying them is easy and I sold mine just as easily. And will never worry about getting tickets if I want to go to game. Because if I really want to go to a game, I will pay the price.

Anyhu, is the Draft going to happen?

by Hangbok on Mar 15, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

One good season and the bandwagon will be at full capacity.

Good PSLs were a alot harder to come by until the ’05 season. After 2-14, pick of the litter.(pun intentional)

The world revolves around me! Especially when I'm flat out on the barroom floor.

by Seaborn1 on Mar 16, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

And a rec for the integrity on the Kubiak issue.

I agree 100% though I’m not dumping my tix.

The world revolves around me! Especially when I'm flat out on the barroom floor.

by Seaborn1 on Mar 16, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

It was a tougher choice than many believe. I just don’t make statements like that unless I’m serious.

I know enough people that go and have people drop out that I can get in with a group of tickets if that happens (a successful season, bandwagon at full capacity). I’ll cross that bridge when I get to it.

by Mike Kerns on Mar 16, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wait a sec

Isn’t this something the league stated it would do back when season tickets were first on sale (for those that wanted to renew)? I remember seeing this information a month of two ago. I think they are giving “interest” in order to avoid lawsuits later for holding people’s money with no guarantee that the people would get everything (a full season) they were paying for.

by Big T33 on Mar 15, 2011 9:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Current bank interest rates are extremely low.

FWIW…I checked out rates on $10,000 CDs, and 1% is actually pretty close to what banks are paying on terms of 6 mos to 1 yr in length. (www.bankrates.com)

Not saying the owners couldn’t garner a lot of goodwill by delaying due dates until closer to a resolution of the labor issues, but the interest rate being offered for the “lost game refunds” (that may not even be needed) isn’t really out of line. [Full disclosure: I don’t have/can’t afford tickets anyway, so I am not personally affected by this. Maybe that makes it easier for me to feel this way???]

by HouTxFan on Mar 16, 2011 1:11 AM CDT reply actions  

I know I'm not buying any 1% CDs

And I don’t think Uncle Bob is either. Also, a CD is an FDIC insured financial instrument with literally ZERO risk unless US govt fails—in which case, we’ve got bigger concerns. So that’s an apples-to-oranges comparison. The market would indicate that you should get a significantly higher return by lending money to a private company with no publicly-available and audited financial records.

Yes...as a matter of fact, that IS a pic of Steve McNair & Sahel Kazemi parasailing. Suck it, Titans fans.

by -Jay on Mar 16, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just because you don't agree doesn't make it an apples-to-oranges comparison.

However, comparing any old private company with no publicly-available and audited financial records to an NFL franchise is comparing apples to oranges. You get a higher rate of return because there’s a phenomenal amount of risk involved with the former as opposed to the minimal risk by investing in the latter, thus making the CD comparison fairly appropriate.

"My soul sings a different song, in America..." - Creed

by NWestTexan on Mar 16, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gather round kids, let's learn about the relationship between credit and interest rates.

Well, NWestTexan, you’re right about one thing…Me not agreeing with a comparison does not make it “apples-to-oranges.” However, a comparing 2 different items generally believed to be incomparable DOES make for an apples-to-oranges comparison.

And you’re right about another thing…risk of losing principal, which affects credit rating, is directly related to the interest rate paid on debt. A CD is considered “risk free” because it is backed by the US govt. The interest on a CD is the lowest amount of interest you should expect to receive anywhere for short-term debt. Municipalities would pay a higher return than a CD, large public companies would pay a higher return than munis, and large private companies would pay a higher return than public companies. So…all the flat screens Uncle Bob is buying for Reliant Stadium this offseason (if they are financed) are likely financed at a rate higher than a CD, higher than the City of Houston would pay in a bond offering, and higher than Exxon would pay in a bond offering.

I guess my point here is if you think the Texans have the same risk profile and credit as the US govt, then I have some projects I would like to finance with you at 2.5%.

Yes...as a matter of fact, that IS a pic of Steve McNair & Sahel Kazemi parasailing. Suck it, Titans fans.

by -Jay on Mar 16, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Capital Asset Pricing Model, or CAPM

Here.

CD rates can, for most intents and purposes (but not all!), be entered directly into the risk free rate. In other words, it’s a portion of the equation as Jay mentioned.

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by bigfatdrunk on Mar 16, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Appreciate the link, bfd.

However, I was lost after “In finance,”…

"My soul sings a different song, in America..." - Creed

by NWestTexan on Mar 16, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reading Comprehension Fail

“generally believed to be incomparable”… this is an awfully dumb thing to say in a discussion as it provides little and proves nothing. Might as well have just said, “Nuh uh… I’m right.” Less words…

As for the rest, I believe our difference of opinion is in the assignment of risk. Correct me if I’m wrong, but you are saying that you should get a higher rate of return because you are investing in a large private company. However, investing in a large private company only garners a higher rate of return due to an increased risk of loss of principal, correct? How would you lose principal in this situation?

As for your point, you, sir, are not the Texans organization.

"My soul sings a different song, in America..." - Creed

by NWestTexan on Mar 16, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about this...

Risk of default by the Houston Texans = Apple
Risk of default by the Denver Broncos = Apple
Risk of default by ExxonMobil = Orange
Risk of default by the US Government = Fucking Watermelon

I think any rational human who isn’t lost after “In finance” would generally believe these to be incomparable. Thus, the difference in interest rates one would expect to receive from each respective debt instrument.

How would you lose your principal? How do you lose your principal in any debt situation? The company does not have enough revenue to service its debt. If I own a factory, and all my workers are currently on stike, would you buy a bond from me returning CD rates? Or is there a risk that I might not be able to honor that obligation, and you would therefore demand higher returns to put your money at risk?

You’re welcome, and I accept your apology.

Yes...as a matter of fact, that IS a pic of Steve McNair & Sahel Kazemi parasailing. Suck it, Titans fans.

by -Jay on Mar 16, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

When are season ticket payments normally due?

Are you billed at this same time every year? If so, then you would already be giving up the opportunity to invest that money in any type of financial instrument, and we don’t know yet that any games are going to be canceled. How much risk do you think there is in the Houston Texans failing before they play 10 more home games, whenever that may be? How much is the cost for a season ticket package on a “typical” seat…maybe $120 per seat x 10 home games per year = $1200? So, if 2 homes games were to end up being canceled due to the labor issues, you would have in essence loaned $240 to your risky Uncle Bob while you wait on the refund. I mentioned a 1% rate on a $10,000 CD. What kind of significant rate of return can anyone expect on a $240 investment, or even a $1200 investment, whatever the risk level may be? Despite your drama investment lecture, I just don’t see that you’re making a significantly more risky investment than you do in any other year when you renew your tickets.

by HouTxFan on Mar 17, 2011 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

If I were king (Owner) of the Texans (McNair)

I certainly would be paying attention to my paying customers. Although I disagree with the tact of the Blog post, I do agree that customers/fans should tactifully remind the owners and players where the money source is and if I were King of the Texans I would be doing something special for PSL/Season Ticket Holders to show my appreciation for the love and devotion, above and beyond the required minimum (if the season gets disrupted). For instance, for every Sunday that a game is cancelled I would open up Reliant from 11am to 7pm and throw the biggest god damn BBQ party on the planet, your defunct ticket is your entry, eat and drink all you want and I would run NFL Highlight reels on the big screen all day

by Hangbok on Mar 16, 2011 1:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Like that's going to happen.

In reality, it would just be a chance to unvail their newly increased concession prices.

The world revolves around me! Especially when I'm flat out on the barroom floor.

by Seaborn1 on Mar 16, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good post! I agree with this garbage they are tossing at their cash cow loyal fans!

Bob will probably make between 8% and 14% on this money. He’s got his nest egg of stable funds and cash flow already secured, so this money from ticket sales is probably going into diversified growth funds in the market.

My wife and I have never missed a home game since the beginning, and this is my last year on the original 10 year contract. They have been bugging me like crazy to renew the contract, but I told them:

1. Get the CBA done before you call me or send another letter offering a renewal of the club agreement for 5 or 10 years. Focus on having a product/service you can deliver before you ask me for future year commitments!

2. Offer me something other than the BS limit on future pricing and a couple of hundred dollars of Texans Bucks. You know, something like a breakfast with the players and an autographed jersey with photo opportunity with the player of our choice. You want me to commit to ANOTHER $34,000 over ten years for TWO club seats and you are only offering me: 1% interest on any games not played, a couple of hundred bucks only useful in buying your souvenirs, and limited pricing increases on season tickets for a couple of years in a TEN year contract.

3. Get on the phone with that idiot Mayor and structure a plan that improves traffic flow in and out of Reliant Stadium on game days.

Otherwise, we’ll punt our PSL to the first low bidder and watch the Texans at home on a huge plasma with friends and OUR food and drinks.

by MeMongo on Mar 26, 2011 3:11 PM CDT reply actions  

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