Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Win or Lose, Boston Celtics' New Big 3 Era A Success

The Texans Can't Afford To Be Picky

There's been a lot of doom and gloom this offseason.  First of all, there's been a cloud hanging over the NFL for the last two years since the owners opted out of the last collective bargaining agreement.  Additionally, for fans of the Houston Texans, there has been the nasty business of falling very short of expectations.  Will Gary Kubiak get fired?  Will Rick Smith stay to hire the next head coach?  Who will be hired to coach the defense?  These are all questions that have been answered, and many have found those answers to be sub-standard.  I myself, while not happy about a lack of regime change, have been on record as being pleased with the Wade Phillips hiring, even though I was not happy with the hiring process.

Sometimes I have to wonder if my faith in Phillips and his ability to work with the other two that kept their jobs is misplaced.  Surely, as HDH Chris hypothesized, the Earl Mitchell-is-our-nose-tackle talk is a smoke screen.  Yesterday, lost in the Combine and labor issue news, Shaun Rogers quietly signed a one-year contract with the New Orleans Saints.  Rogers, who previously said that he'd love to play in Houston, took $2 million dollars less to play in New Orleans than another offer because it was important to him to play for a desirable team.  Follow the jump to find out why I think this was the biggest Texans news item of the day yesterday.

Star-divide

I'm not angry that the Texans didn't sign Rogers.  I'm seethingly angry that they apparently didn't make an attempt.  I know that many of you were against signing Rogers for a myriad of reasons, and it looks as if the front office shared your concerns.  If the Texans inconspicuously made an offer that was turned down by Rogers, I apologize for being reactionary, but this smells of the same misplaced pickiness that has continuously killed the Texans.

The Texans don't have a nose tackle on the roster.  There is no free agency this year, or at least none before the draft.  Even if the plan is to draft a nose tackle, it takes time to develop defensive linemen in the NFL and that player will probably not be ready to start right away.  Even if he was, men who are big enough to play that position usually get gassed, so it's good to have depth at the position.  Shaun Rogers would have provided a quality backup at the very least.

Being able to sign that kind of role player in a season without free agency would have been huge because the team could go into the draft knowing that nose tackle was at least partially covered, so Rick Smith would be able to refrain from reaching for the position.  As it stands now, there is a good chance that will happen, or the team will overpay a free agent whenever that occurs.  What would the peace of mind cost that Rogers could provide cost?  A one-year, $4 million dollar contract.  Rogers, who is 31, will surely be motivated to show he's worth one more multi-year contract before the wheels fall off.

If anyone should realize that they can't afford to be picky, it's Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak.  They should realize that they need to pull out all the stops to show immediate improvement to keep the mob at bay, the same mob that almost cost them their jobs last season.  The only justification I can think of as to why they didn't even make a run at Rogers or safety OJ Atogwe is because the cuts they made two weeks ago were in preparation to make a run at a marquis free agent or two after the CBA is in place.  That might be wishful thinking, but I'm going to cling to that hope. 

Give us something to work with, Rick.  It's getting harder and harder to believe.

Comment 157 comments  |  3 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Never Thought They'd Sign Rogers

Even though it made so, so much sense to do so.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Mar 2, 2011 8:44 AM CST reply actions  

Nice post, Jake

And agree, Tim. It really is becoming difficult to trust this FO to make necessary changes.

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot

by bigfatdrunk on Mar 2, 2011 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

You shut your mouth!!!

Ofcourse they will and we will sign him and he will anchor our secondary for years!! (major denial)

by fgp on Mar 2, 2011 9:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Ofcourse they will and we will sign him and he will anchor our secondary for years!!

by fgp on Mar 2, 2011 9:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

If it makes sense

This FO will not do it.

Caretaker: Who we gonna crush?
(prisoners team): The guards!
Caretaker: Who we gonna kill?
(prisoners team): The guards!
Caretaker: Who we gonna kiss?
Brucie: [shouting out loud all alone] The guards!
Caretaker: [smile] Gotcha.

by CCBach on Mar 2, 2011 9:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

If we signed Rogers before the draft...

and Dareus fell to us. That would leave us with less money to throw at a good FA CB. I think they are waiting to see how the draft plays out. Also, there are a lot of FA to choose from at all position of need. I still believe we will fill out this roster this year, that will please the BRB faithful.

Don't ask me! Ask Google, you dumb Yahoo!

by Andre4000 on Mar 2, 2011 10:15 AM CST reply actions  

True

but isnt that backwards? free agency starts, you sign players and fill the holes you want to fill with a veteran type player and then you fill out your draft board accordingly. A team that avoids signing a player in hopes that a top 5 prospect falls to them @ 11 is playing a risky game.

by theSpaceCityKid on Mar 2, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Ordinarily, yes.

But with the lockout looming, it seems that the offseason is backwards this year. I think more teams are going to draft away their problems first and then tear into free agency, assuming there is one.

I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!

I have a plan, and it's so cunning you can brush your teeth with it!

by UprootedTexan on Mar 2, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Or...

It would let Dareus play his natural position at DE while rotating in at NT from time-to-time (given Rogers’ age and conditioning, you can’t expect him to play every snap), and freeing up Mario at OLB.

Even if they’re 100% set on drafting a NT, signing Rogers to a one-year contract made sense. Very few DTs are physically able to play the position effectively as rookies. It would give him time to bulk up and adjust to the game at the pro level. See what the Saints did with Malcolm Jenkins, for instance.

by Nashmeister on Mar 2, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

going bak to yestedays draft post

I do NOT like quinn for us..he looks too much like a 43 DE..the clips they show are the same ones vs his own NC teammates..he doesnt have the hips or feet from what i saw watching the combine..on the flip side, if we get prince move HIM to FS and leave quin as cb #1/2 (?) that would make us MUCH better..luv yalls work, been reading for sometime, let the bashing of my post begin

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 10:28 AM CST reply actions  

if i remember correctly...

Quinn’s feet movement look really good to me. I’m pretty sure it was him and not someone else that impressed me for a guy is size.

Don't ask me! Ask Google, you dumb Yahoo!

by Andre4000 on Mar 2, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

on hips and feet

i meant for coverage concerns..he show OK ablity in drills from the pass rush perspective, but coverage wise was very weak

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 10:29 AM CST reply actions  

oh o.k., i didn't see him doing coverage drills

i need to watch it, you might be right…but i’d take him in a heartbeat

Don't ask me! Ask Google, you dumb Yahoo!

by Andre4000 on Mar 2, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Off-topic, but important:

The NFLPA is going to decertify. Talks have not made improvement, and the owners have been very greedy with their terms.

This doesn’t help long term, but it does help short term. There will probably be football next fall.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Mar 2, 2011 11:49 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed on all counts, Jake

The current FO thinking seems to be that Wade Phillips is a cross between a witch doctor and a unicorn that poops rainbows.

by riversmccown on Mar 2, 2011 12:08 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

If Wade Phillips is part unicorn....

Then how are we going to stop Mario from killing him and drinking his blood?

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Mar 2, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe

and Maybe Wade Phillips told them that Shaun Rogers is donkey shit and he didn’t want him on his defense.

Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?

by nolander on Mar 2, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Not that I'm really defending them, just playing devils advocate

Not knowing whats going on between those 3 I’m trying to avoid jumping to conclusions.

Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?

by nolander on Mar 2, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't Rogers turn down a higher offer to play in N.O. for a contender

He could of told us there’s no chance I’m playing there so don’t ask. We’re assuming they made no attempt, but even if they didn’t it doesn’t matter because he wouldn’t have come here anyway.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Mar 2, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

agree here that he didnt want to join us

that MAY be a big reason we dont go after the top tier FA..they dont want to join us…but at the end of the day, seems more like trying to have more a “value” signing instead of actually paying top bucks to a top player..

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't he openly express wanting to play here when he was initially cut?

Somehow, I have a hard time believing that he wouldn’t have come here, given that he grew up here and went to UT.

by Nashmeister on Mar 2, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

yea, his "dream"

im thinking that was just a way to make other teams hurry up and make an offer before he could come back home…especially if other teams know our affinity to bringing “hometown kids” home

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

yep

Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?

by nolander on Mar 2, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Or to make us hometown fans...

Call for the heads of the FO if they don’t sign him for his top demands immediately.
Insane, I know…

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Mar 2, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Also a possibility.

But I’m still frustrated with the (apparent) lack of effort at upgrading the defense’s talent.

by riversmccown on Mar 2, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Frustrated =/= Upset

I just wish I saw some more initiative, particularly with Atogwe.

by riversmccown on Mar 2, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I know

I’m not saying you are upset, and I would like some initiative, but I’m going to lie to myself for now, and then get angry later when they disappointed me in free agency.

Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?

by nolander on Mar 2, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I've already about half way given up on this season actually happening

So I’m just pretty apathetic about FA, combine, draft, etc. in general this year….it’s actually kind of nice.

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Mar 2, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

much more peacful

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Mar 2, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Papabear

BRB’s resident Buddhist.

Never use a metaphor, simile, or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.
Never use a long word where a short one will do.
If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.
Never use the passive where you can use the active.
Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.
Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.

-Orwell, Politics and the English Language

www.battleredblog.com

by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 3, 2011 11:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

we'll see how long it last

BFD pretty much nailed my reaction to most of the NFL news lately….meh

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Mar 3, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh.

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot

by bigfatdrunk on Mar 2, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

how can you be frustated when FAgency hasn't even started?

i do understand doubting or FO from years previous. but, i just believe this year will be different. It has to be, everyone is coaching for their jobs. And Bob wants Kube’s to stay, so me thinks he has giving them the green light on FA.

Don't ask me! Ask Google, you dumb Yahoo!

by Andre4000 on Mar 2, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

That's fine, BUT

You should really prepare yourself for some MAJOR disappointment, just in case. It’ll make the crash that much easier.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Mar 3, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

It's all a moot point

Kubiak and Smith, yet again pulling the triggers in a draft. That says it all. Thanks Bob for bringing us this unending travesty. Send in the clowns.

by GKtheHumbleCharlatan on Mar 2, 2011 12:35 PM CST reply actions  

There he is AGAIN...

Right on queue!! Thanks!!

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Mar 2, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

He has such deep and profound analysis doesn't he?

No wait whats that other thing where he just repeats the same drivel everyone else is spouting?

Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?

by nolander on Mar 2, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

queue??

he is placed in a waiting line? or do you mean CUE? seriously pathetic. that is 1st grade stuff for real.

by i hate dumbasses on Mar 2, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

That's uncalled for.

I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!

I have a plan, and it's so cunning you can brush your teeth with it!

by UprootedTexan on Mar 2, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

He's a troll

A kindergarten troll at that since he doesn’t know how to use capitalization…for real.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Mar 2, 2011 8:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for saving me the trouble.

I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!

I have a plan, and it's so cunning you can brush your teeth with it!

by UprootedTexan on Mar 2, 2011 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

At birth.

And toilet training is done at gunpoint.

I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!

I have a plan, and it's so cunning you can brush your teeth with it!

by UprootedTexan on Mar 3, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

sad im not in yellow but..

im not upset about not getting rodgers for the same reason as Tim,..never saw it happenin, same way i dont see us going after k jenkins, they way we didnt go after champ and prolly wont make a huge push for namdi..like in the past we only seem to go after the middle of the road free agents more then the BIG names

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 1:04 PM CST reply actions  

typo..

like our team, rogers has no D

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 1:04 PM CST reply actions  

same ol same ol

Every year we hope Houston will do something significant in free agency and they never do. They refuse to sign any veterans because they fear they’re too old. But for 4 miilion its a travesty we didn’t even bring him in. I’m sick of overpaying second tier free agents. If we don’t go hard after some marquee players this off season I will have lost all faith. Its like they think they’re bellicheck in the fact they’ll do everything within. There are two problems with their logic, smithiak have never put together a solid draft. Their inability to find dlineman and secondary players is nothing short of atrocious. And second the pats haven’t won in 5 years because they have let too many players go who were key components in their superbowl teams (vrabel, samuel, seymour). Its hard to balance free agency and players within because even the patriots are struggling as of late. We are so far behind under the bar in team balance (free agents, youth, and veteran leadership) its deeply depressing.

by texan80 on Mar 2, 2011 1:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

the union will decertify, the season will immediately go on as if there is no labor struggle

That means free agency will happen, OTAs will happen, rookies will be signed and so on.

So, the FO probably has a plan for the draft and free agency. It doesn’t include Rogers. End of that story.

I love the Texans’ possibilities in this draft. If Kubiak doesn’t win this season, then a new HC will be walking into a good situation. Will that be Wade Phillips?

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on Mar 2, 2011 1:29 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

good read, and its short

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Sanders-Atogwe-should-benefit-from-average-safety-class.html

I hope wade has a plan for safety, whether its quin or whomever.

i think moore could start, but guys like my boy carter, with a 4.6 40, and some stiffness, could play STs and be a starter at some point. we cant throw them out there right away.

but of course we will probably draft a safety in round 2-3-4, and make him a starter with quin. mcdaniel, carter, and gilchrist are my faves.

rogers signed with the saints anyway

by AllenOU on Mar 2, 2011 1:32 PM CST reply actions  

Is Gilchrist a safety prospect?

He looked sharp at the combine, but he seemed more like a CB. He’d be a nice mid-round pick-up, though.

by Nashmeister on Mar 2, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

better safetys then corners

all the buzz about a shortage on FS or safetys in general I think is wrong..after watching the combine, prince, peterson, a williams are all FS in a year or so..and after u take them out..its b harris (REAL nice) and then jimmy smith as the only true 1st round corners..and the smith/cromartie comparison seems right on..i know its bad to say just by watching the combine but he seem disintrested..seemed more like he thought he can get by on his ideal size and speed more then actual technique..

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I mean my God, have you ever thought about our last 4 drafts? We have gotten practically no one. I think of the breakdown like this:
O-lineman: #1 Winston – Casserly era. #2 Brown – Smithiak
Best WR: # 1 Andre – Casserly Era, WR #2: Walter – free agent
Best TE: #1 OD – Casserly Era, #2: Driessen – free agent
Best RB: #1 Arian – Smithiak. #2: Vacant
Best QB: #1 Schaub – Free agent, #2 Orlovsky – Crappy free agent
Best D-lineman: #1 Mario – Casserly #2: Smith – Free agent
Best LB: #1 Casserly era (let’s home he can come back healthy) #2: Cushing – Smithiak
Best CB: #1Quin: Smithiak #2 Vacant
Safety: #1 Pollard – free agent (out of necessity not planning) #2: Vacant
That gives us 3 players from their drafts that are even in the top 2 at their position and amongst those Quin is the best because of how bad everyone else is, and is suited as a #2 corner. The jury is still out on Cushing because he was merely mediocre after testing positive. And no one is going to confuse Duane Brown as a top to LT, he’s above average at best.

by texan80 on Mar 2, 2011 1:41 PM CST reply actions  

And I don’t even really give them that much credit for Arian. I read the other day the only reason he signed with us was because he thought we had the weakest depth chart and that was his best chance to make a team. It’s not like we invested anything more than a rookie free agent contract to him.

by texan80 on Mar 2, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

that is extremely depressing to look at

so basically casserly gave us mario, we draft cush over mathews, and were lucky a fosters girl knew more then our own team to say we didnt have ne RBs on the team..GO TEXANS!!!

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

Schaub wasn’t a FA. He was traded from the Falcons in ’07…which was Smith. So, to me, he at least got ONE right.

by arianbrotherhood on Mar 2, 2011 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

This fella right here.

Never use a metaphor, simile, or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.
Never use a long word where a short one will do.
If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.
Never use the passive where you can use the active.
Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.
Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.

-Orwell, Politics and the English Language

www.battleredblog.com

by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 3, 2011 11:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

rec'd for trooth

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Mar 3, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

oh for god's sake

For the last time Mario and DeMeco were not Casserly’s picks. He was just a useless seat warmer. They were Kubiak’s picks. Now go away.

I am Sancho

by HoustonTransplant on Mar 3, 2011 12:33 AM CST up reply actions  

biggest need

my question is this tho..what OLB do we draft..per j hollands that is the most important position on their 34 so with von miller being gone before we pick, r quinn having no cov skills, ayers not having that top end speed to be the rusher we need at that position and after that there is not a true top 11 talent out there ..plus a bigger drop off after them to the next tier of guys and more then likely we will be STARTING this guy..and dont try and sell me on a smith..he is a lesser ayers

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 1:45 PM CST reply actions  

Dontay Moch

blew up in the combine and I think he can be had at our second rd pick, other than that a lot of mocks have us taking Aldon Smith or Justin Houston at 11

by theSpaceCityKid on Mar 2, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Dontay Moch in 2nd round makes a lot of sense

if we take Julio Jones in the 1st

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Mar 2, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

julio jones was in full beast mode WITH a broken foot

we have WAY too may needs on def with with DT, OLB and CB/FS that i cant see how we could draft a offensive player but the j jones was just jaw dropping amazing..had a few drops in the drills but 99% he was PERFECTION in drills..his #s at the combine speak for themselves, then u throw in that casserly report that he had a fractured food that needs a screw now..just nuts

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

cant see us drafting

an offensive player in the 1st round is what i meant

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I just don't think any defensive player who would be there at #11 would be as impactful as Jones

I do think defense is a priority, but if the phones aren’t ringing off the hook to trade up to #11, we should just take Julio Jones & go defense the rest of the draft

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Mar 2, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

rec

how do u do this thing yall do..where u agree and then u do the REC or something…i 100% agree with you….unless that screw thats coming in his foot ends up being somthing that lingers.. its said to be very similar to crabtree and he wasnt as good as advertised, but that may have been due to qb play and holding out

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Click on actions, then click rec

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Mar 2, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't see Julio holding out like Crabtree did

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Mar 2, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

so would that be for depth

or r u thinkin that he is our starter?..can i get a link to ur mock sir?

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

The link is the red sentence

It would be as depth. Traditionally, Houston takes 2 players at the same position (believe it’s happened 7 or 8 times out of 9 drafts). I think it’ll be OLB this season considering the switch.

Moch blew it up, but I don’t think he 2nd round blew it up (to get the interest of New England, New York, or Pittsburgh).

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Mar 2, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks..but

do u still think that mock will hold true?..NO WAY harris comes all the way around to us in the 2nd..and as i said earlier, im not liking r quinn for us any more..i def agree that we need to draft 2 olb, but my biggest concern is that we always..seems like since the begining of time, start our 1st rounder..so with that do u think r quinn has the coverage skills we would want ?..my ideal pick would be prince, moved to FS , keep quin as our corner since it takes at least a year for the corners to get up to game speed of the nfl, ( see k jax)..but even that leaves us without our starting strong side OLB

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

HA...im very new to this so

sorry, didnt see u just wrote that up this morning…im guessing u dont agree with me that there are not a bunch or top end cbs in this draft..like i said earlier on the posts, with 3 of the top 5 cbs looking more and more like malcom jenkins carbon copies and will be moved to fs in a year or so

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with it

There’s not a lot of elite talent, in general. That’s why I’m pro-trade down. It’s just…if they’re stuck at 11 with all the elite guys gone then what?

And welcome, Mike.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Mar 2, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually

I think the top 3-4 CBs in this draft are potentially as good as any in recent memory. 6’2 210+ lb corners with 4.3-4.4 speed and coming out of college with reputations as being man on man “cover” corners… well, you don’t see those come around every year and there’s several in this draft.

Yea there are a few safety/corner tweeners around the top of the list of corners, but if i’m not mistaken we need safeties too so it’s a win/win all around IMO. It’s not like Amukamara even if he were moved to safety wouldn’t be an excellent cover safety with amazing range for the position… I don’t think there’s really any question that Peterson and Smith are purely corners though… just because they’re big corners doesn’t mean they’re automatically going to be playing safety… I’d even say after the combine Amukamara is probably looking more like a lock at corner too…

Jenkins was a big corner coming into the NFL, but he was also slow as molasses, whereas Peterson, Amukamara, and Smith all ran sub 4.4 40s at the combine… I know combine numbers don’t always mean much, but the entire top 3 of this year’s crop are better athletes than Jenkins was coming out….

by Bryan72076 on Mar 2, 2011 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Jimmy Smith isn't elite.

Plus, he’s far too many character concerns to be a Texan

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Mar 2, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

hmmm

Most of the “experts” i’ve seen talk about Smith seem to disagree with that… Well the elite part anyway. Alot of sites I go to now, and talking heads on TV now have Smith as a top 15 talent, whether he drops because of character concerns or not is another matter.

I think it all depends on exactly what his transgressions were. Alot of college kids do stupid things, that’s what kids do. Was it a violent offense, or theft or something… or was he arrested for public intoxication? Being arrested isn’t the same as being convicted… for all we know he was picked up for being drunk in public a couple times in college and then released when sober or picked up…

Hard to say someone has “far too many character concerns”, when we don’t even know for sure what those concerns are.

by Bryan72076 on Mar 2, 2011 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to mention

Our starting QB had an aggrevated assault charge on his arrest record when they gave up 2 2nd round picks for him…, it’s not like the Texans have never overlooked a player’s transgressions when they feel it wouldn’t be a concern going forward…

by Bryan72076 on Mar 2, 2011 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, Smith has major character concerns. He tested positive for drugs at Colorado and was also arrested twice. During the team interviews, Smith reportedly admitted to only one arrest, which draws yet another red flag.

I get that you can make mistakes, learn from them, and become a better person from them. However, when you test positive for drugs, have multiple arrests, and then lie about it….you aren’t owning your mistakes and that’s not someone I want to invest my time or money into if I’m running a team.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Mar 2, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Again

There’s not enough information to condemn the guy that i’ve seen…

What drug did he test positive for? What were the results? You can test positive for lower lvls of THC if you’ve been sick and taken a bunch of advil and cold meds… Maybe he unknowingly took one of the billion “banned” suppliments… I’m not making excuses for it, just these vague comments could possibly be misleading.

During team interviews he “reportedly” admitted to only one arrest… Again, Clay Mathews “reportedly” tested Positive for steroids along with Cushing before their draft, remember? How did that turn out? And even if he did, maybe he just wasn’t aware of but one… Maybe he was released immediately and no charges were filed so he just assumed it wasn’t an issue, when technically if he was in custody for even a minute he was “arrested” and a report would be filed…

All i’m saying is we don’t really know what the deal is, and while he might be a scum bag SoB, maybe he’s not.., maybe he’s just a kid who’s made a mistake or two in his past…, heck, for all we know this could have happened 2-3 years ago and he’s been spotless since.., so why pass judgement until all facts are known?

If the team investigates the issues as i’m sure they would, and don’t think it’s going to be a reccuring problem, I don’t see why it’d affect whether or not they draft him.

by Bryan72076 on Mar 3, 2011 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Why not wait? Because he's overrated as it is.

He often didn’t take a team’s best WR…but their largest, so his lockdown skills are greatly exaggerated.

College WRs ate him alive on double moves – notably, amongst others, future NFL WR AJ Green just turned him every which way around with them in 2010. Green had a monster game against CU.

His ball skills are pitiful (2 INTs in the last 2 seasons at CU)

He’s a terrible tackler.

So any potential character issue is just the nail in the coffin to me.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Mar 3, 2011 7:43 AM CST up reply actions  

actually...

never said smith isnt a cb..think he could be amazing cb..but think hes gonna have the work ethic of the toad from pans labyrinth…peterson — deion thought at his weight and that he will def put on weight the move was inevitable and really those are the 2 that are refered to as MAN cov, ba harris as well but i luv that guy..a williams was way too tight in all drills n to me either looks like a burnt toast cb or a nice fs…utexas havin 3 cbs in a rotation might have hide his actual cov skills..
    As for prince i would love to see him as a texan..moved to fsaftey and keep gq at corner..moved to fs cuz he was tight in drills moving backwards but excellent ball skills ..and his #s are thro the roof everywhere so put him on our backend n im happy.. but i def hear u n agree about the athletisim on the top guys this year vs molasses jenkins

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Harris has slowly fallen

I dunno why, but I’m seeing his name pop up more in the 2nd. Even if not him…then Curtis Brown from Texas would fit the bill.

As for Quinn…I’m not sold on him either. I’d rather have Amukamara, but his 40 time almost guarantees he’ll end up in San Francisco or Dallas. Barring a trade, I figure they’ll just take BAP at 11….whoever that is, but you can’t write that in a mock cause it can be seen as a cop out.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Mar 2, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

My worry about Quinn...

is that he didn’t play this year, did he?
Always gotta worry about that, right?

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Mar 2, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

EXACLTY

plus, on top of all that time off he was suppose to blow away all the numbers aspects of the combine and he just didnt…then seeing him in the drills, maybe it was rust, but there was never an instance of WOW factor the way there was for prince, j jones, b harris..

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

His numbers...

Were still better than Aldon Smith’s…so that’s a plus, but he did run slower than expected.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Mar 2, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

on that note

is it just me or doesnt it seem like most of these top OLB prospects are more weak side, which we have already in barwin, as opposed to strong side?..von miller, yes strong side, but other then that, ayers looks OK..but the rest have very limited or weak cov skills which u want more of in the strong side, right?

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

He missed a year

but he’s still top 10. Dude’s good. I don’t think he’s 3-4 material, though

I am Sancho

by HoustonTransplant on Mar 3, 2011 12:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm seeing that alot

so, I’ll have to assume it’s legit. I just haven’t watched anything on him to know his worth. The year off just really worries me, and it’s the first thing I heard the nfln guys say when he disappointed a bit on the bench reps.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Mar 4, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

absolutely right on curtis brown

looked epic in ALL drills, and had no idea how HUGE a williams was but he was really tight in all the drills and i was thinking he would be our 2nd or 3rd round pick, but just remove williams and inserting brown sounds like a great idea

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

So would you agree to this scenario....

Draft Julio Jones at #11
Trade up to somewhere between #27-32 for our 2nd pick, next year’s 1st or 2nd, & Amobi Okoye
Draft Stephen Paea or Phil Taylor with that 1st round pick
Draft Dontay Moch in the 3rd round

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Mar 2, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I like that idea, but

I would not dare trade next years first round pick, there’s going to be more talent for secondary next year.

My original idea would be trade back to around 17-22 with a 2nd or third round pick. Draft Brandon Harris(he will be good, the only thing is he reminds me of ol’ Robinson, but better all around player) and use our second on either a NT or OLB. Use the extra pick we recover for either NT, OLB or WR. It’s not the best idea but that’s cause I think J Jones will be gone by 11.

Caretaker: Who we gonna crush?
(prisoners team): The guards!
Caretaker: Who we gonna kill?
(prisoners team): The guards!
Caretaker: Who we gonna kiss?
Brucie: [shouting out loud all alone] The guards!
Caretaker: [smile] Gotcha.

by CCBach on Mar 2, 2011 5:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I think he'll still be there

Newton & Gabbart are moving up, & the foot injury might move Jones out of the top 10

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Mar 2, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd agree but

After how well the Rams did without a legit wr, I would not be surprised to see them move up for Julio Jones. I do hope here’s there, but if not, the Texans will need a back up option and personally I like Brandon Harris more than any available player. I believe, after watching film and combine, he is even better than Prince and Smith.

Caretaker: Who we gonna crush?
(prisoners team): The guards!
Caretaker: Who we gonna kill?
(prisoners team): The guards!
Caretaker: Who we gonna kiss?
Brucie: [shouting out loud all alone] The guards!
Caretaker: [smile] Gotcha.

by CCBach on Mar 2, 2011 7:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

bold statment...

but id luv b harris on the team too..big body and the compariosn to drob early is on point too, although i think harris hits less hard but better ball skills..and we should beable to get him if we r trading back..add him move gq..i not with DC to say he will last outside the first but i think harris could be had 5 picks later

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

So you would think our 2nd plus next year's 2nd & 3rd picks & Okoye would be enough to move up?

I think that’s too much for the bottom of the first. I think two 2nd & Okoye should be enough for at least one of the last 4 picks in the first

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Mar 2, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

dont like j houston..

thought he had bad feet and dont remember his #s…but ill go back and rewatch for both, especially moch…i know he had good #s but dont remember him in the drills

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 2:20 PM CST reply actions  

Regarding Robert quinn

Put on the tape bro… Top 5 talent. If he is there you take him. I could care less about his combine or year off after watching the tape

by AllenOU on Mar 2, 2011 4:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

will do tonite

nething in paticular u can suggest?…i mean we r talking about more then a year ago right?

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Games against Miami and Nc state

I don’t think he had a sack in either game, but watching those again he really is unique. Could easily play the same position as james harrison IMO.

But did the time off really matter that much? I say by week 4 the rust would be gone, unless he gets paid and lazy

by AllenOU on Mar 2, 2011 5:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Same was said about Mike Williams WR

Before his year sabbatical.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Mar 2, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

It took him hooking back up with Pete Carroll to play up to his potential

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Mar 2, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

The Bucs' Mike Williams never took a year off

So the answer should be obvious

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Mar 2, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't mean to offend anybody, however

my logic is undeniable

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Mar 4, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Welcome, IGH!

As far as your request, you mean like a chart of their measurements?

(And why did I just have a Playboy flashback?)

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot

by bigfatdrunk on Mar 2, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

2 first time posters in the same day...whats the record on that...

i def like the idea of be able to get j jones with the first pic..but..is still leaves a huge hole OLB..ilb not so much, we have plenty of fillers out side of demeco cush and sharpton (diles, bentley)…wade says he will use e mitchell and cody so im gonna believe him..cb and fs is a big need but again, i think if we can draft a nice fs and leave gq as is that would be nice since i def dont want to watch another rook get toasted by everyone but rusty..i think olb, wr (young, smith, baldwin ) fs/cb (whatevers better and move gq or keep him at cb depending on what we do) and olb again..def need that C ur talking about but not our biggest need

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions  

That combine website is frustrating indeed.

Little tip I found out: if you want to look at a particular position, you have to manually deselect every other position. If the position abbreviation is highlighted in blue (as they all are by default), it’ll show in the search results. If you click ‘em once, they’ll turn grey and be deselected. Maybe that’s common sense, but it took me a several tries to figure out how to navigate the thing. And even still, they only show the best results.

Otherwise, here’s a pretty decent website that compiles all of the results side-by-side. I can’t attest to its accuracy, though.

by Nashmeister on Mar 2, 2011 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Well thanks for the welcome

I was more wondering about their 40 time, bench press and general opinion of how they did in drills or how they’re predicted to do at their projected position. Ex: Robert Quinn, 40-4.82, Bench-24, drills-did well rushing the passer but is so bad at coverage there’s no way we would take him as an OLB. And just fyi…that was an example I have no idea what he ran-benched-projects as…I just want to be educated enough to know whether to be excited after our draft selection or, wait for it,….chug some bleach!

by Its Gonna Happen on Mar 2, 2011 7:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

r quinn #s

9’8" broad jump- vert 34" bench 22..

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

really?

The only justification I can think of as to why they didn’t even make a run at Rogers or safety OJ Atogwe is because the cuts they made two weeks ago were in preparation to make a run at a marquis free agent or two after the CBA is in place.

like marquis daniels, the NBA player? ffs, learn to spell, or get a thesaurus. MARQUEE. its not hard.

by i hate dumbasses on Mar 2, 2011 7:11 PM CST reply actions  

Saw Demeco and Cush playing golf today at wildcat

I guess they are both feeling up to par

by AllenOU on Mar 2, 2011 7:14 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

puns

really? a pun? good lord, this blog is like a never-ending segment of “c’mon man”

by i hate dumbasses on Mar 2, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you know what we like?

Intelligent comments. Those are cool.

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot

by bigfatdrunk on Mar 2, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

But somehow using logic is strictly prohibited

where's the logic in that???

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Mar 2, 2011 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Pshaw

Why make intelligent comments when you can complain about other commenters’ choice of phrase/spelling and blithely ignore your own pitiful grammar skills?

I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!

I have a plan, and it's so cunning you can brush your teeth with it!

by UprootedTexan on Mar 3, 2011 12:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Those take effort

Trolls don’t like to think too hard, ya know.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Mar 3, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes thank you Nash

that’s what I was looking for, even though its incomplete, just a quick look through and I was shocked by Marvin Austin! 4.9-38reps! Be a nice #2 eh? Would you rather have J Jones in the 1st Austin in the 2nd or Dareus in the 1st Hankerson in the 2nd? Or are both of those out the window?

by Its Gonna Happen on Mar 2, 2011 7:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

reply button

even for a newbie, the reply button isnt hard to find, just after someones post, that way you can keep the dialogue going on the same subject under your initial post.

by i hate dumbasses on Mar 2, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Got anything football related to say? Or any sport for that matter will do…

by Its Gonna Happen on Mar 2, 2011 7:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

How about you?

You got anything football related to say yourself? I’m not done reading this entire thread yet but the only posts I’ve seen from you are complaints, insults, and grammar corrections.

What’s your agenda here?

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Mar 3, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry

Not you. My reply was meant for the dumbass

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Mar 3, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Reply fail irony.

:-)

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot

by bigfatdrunk on Mar 3, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

definitely

It’s been a rough day

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Mar 3, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate dumbasses

But I like dialogue.

Never use a metaphor, simile, or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.
Never use a long word where a short one will do.
If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.
Never use the passive where you can use the active.
Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.
Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.

-Orwell, Politics and the English Language

www.battleredblog.com

by tehGrindCrusher on Mar 4, 2011 7:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Did the Comicle blogs shut down or something?

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Mar 4, 2011 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

no way

dareus is on the board for us..he might end up goin top 5

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Cam newton could go first

If that happens, it could go
Bowers
Fairley
Dareus
Gabbert
Green
PP
Quinn
Smith OT USC

That leaves us with either Julio jones, Von miller, or possibly both as the redskins could take Jake locker at 10, as shanahan has been linked to liking him.

by AllenOU on Mar 2, 2011 7:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

dont see von miller getting past arizona

he wasnt jaw dropping the way pancakes has been slobbering over him but he was still VERY nice..and hes BY FAR the best and most complete OLB on the board..so jones being there im all for it and the m austin that IGH suggest at the 2nd..althought marvin making his way around to us in the 2nd is close..

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

They need a QB

And need trumps talent with no free agency period my friend

by AllenOU on Mar 2, 2011 8:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I think the Cardinals would trade that pick to the Eagles for Kolb

Then the question would be who would the Eagles want

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Mar 2, 2011 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I would guess Quinn or PP

Someone to go opposite of Cole. PP opposite Samuel wouldn’t be nice to face.

I am Sancho

by HoustonTransplant on Mar 3, 2011 1:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I would love it it the BESF's took Tyron Smith

He gets stood up easily. Move Mario to OLB just for those two games and let him run him over.

I am Sancho

by HoustonTransplant on Mar 3, 2011 12:54 AM CST up reply actions  

speaking of high..

pretty blazed myself…but im rewatching a ayers and WOW..forgot how great his feet were, was FAST in all drills

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 7:45 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

i just really cant decide

we need OLB more then any other position especially when all of us know that first pik will start week 1..so to grab at jones or prince or b harris..its just not that NEED pik we always do..we draft the best player at the biggest NEED..so i think it will happen that if von miller is gone a ayers will end up being the pik..and it wont be a bad one

by Mike Ram on Mar 2, 2011 8:01 PM CST reply actions  

If you wanna look at it that way...

Who is the better pick, since technically Cushing can play both inside and outside (regardless of where he’s best suited) Ayers or Martez Wilson? And where will Wilson go?

by Its Gonna Happen on Mar 2, 2011 8:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

From the look of it

Wilson had a much more productive combine. If we were able to trade back and pick him up and maybe M Austin (DT) or Edmond Gates/Leonard Hankerson WR, I would consider that a win.

by Its Gonna Happen on Mar 2, 2011 8:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

If a LB is what you want...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/football/7453692.html

How about AJ Hawk?

A Texas Wannabe, born and raised in New Zealand. Currently located 7343miles South west of Houston.

by distant_texans_fan on Mar 2, 2011 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

He's probably going back to the Packers with a more cap friendly contract

He was scheduled to make over $11 Mil next season, which is more than what he’s worth

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Mar 3, 2011 12:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Welcome, illowa!

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot

by bigfatdrunk on Mar 3, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks BFD!

i’ve been an avid reader for quite awhile, love all the info!

I read an article saying that the Texans Cheerleaders are the 2nd best in the league at bringing in revenue...and another one saying that a Texans tailgating group won the national competition.....at least we got those going for us!

by illowaTexan on Mar 3, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

BFD...you whore

"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair

by papabear on Mar 3, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Pronounced "Hoo-wah" as I learned on the Sopranos...

“Yah Hoowah!”

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Mar 3, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Your big-time home for big-time analysis and big-time rants about all things Houston Texan.

Hate Mail Goes Here

Brb_small Tim

Absurdly Talented Writers

Lucy_small bigfatdrunk

Tumblr_l2ecwbvekp1qbhedwo1_500_small MDC

Vlcsnap-00003_small riversmccown

Tumblr_l4i6iruxha1qbs5d3o1_400_small TexansDC

Chairman_meow_blink_small UprootedTexan

Absurdly Talented Writers, Part Deux

Photo_small Vega

Alec-baldwin-glengarry-glen-ross-always-be-closing_small tehGrindCrusher