Texans Free Agent Frenzy On Lockout Eve: Rick Smith Is A Procrastinator
D-Day is upon the owners and the NFLPA. By midnight tonight, we will know whether there has been an extension to the deadline, whether there's a deal done (unlikely), whether there is a union decertification and/or whether there is a lockout. It is very possible that today was the last day for general managers to re-sign potential free agents from their team. Rick Smith must have had a few million dollars burning a hole in his pocket because today he spent some money.
Smith was a busy man today. In a few hours he came to terms (in chronological order) with Owen Daniels, Derrick Ward and Shaun Cody. Before we get into what to think about the individual signings, the timing strikes me as odd. These deals must have been in the works for some time, so why wait until the last minute to get deals done? The only thing I can think of is that Bob McNair and/or Rick Smith are under the impression that something just shifted in the labor negotiation realm. I have no idea what they were assuming was going to happen before today, and what that might have changed to, but why tender a first round pick to what you're assuming is going to be a restricted free agent just to possibly overpay him less than 24 hours later? Where did the rush come from?
I'm getting ahead of myself. Follow the jump to see my take on the afternoon shopping spree.
Owen Daniels - In September or October this year, I would have told you that Daniels wasn't worth the money. His inability to stay healthy outweighed his worth, or at least I thought so at the time. When Daniels finally got healthy in 2010, however, the offense was noticeably different. I know that bfd put out some PFF numbers earlier that maybe don't support this, but the eye test of watching every Texans game told me that the offense, and more specifically, Matt Schaub, was better with OD in the lineup.
Having said all of that, Smith paid an oft-injured tight end a lot of money. Daniels will receive $22 million dollars over the course of four years, $14 million of which will come in the first two seasons, with a total of $6 million guaranteed. The deal might not be as lucrative as what he was in for prior to tearing his ACL in 2009, but it's still a lot to pay a player at a non-marquee position with a history of knee injuries (three, I believe, since high school).
Daniels is by no means perfect, but he might be perfect for the Texans' brand of the West Coast offense. Daniels has a rare ability to get vertical from the tight end position, and is usually Schaub's go-to target off of roll outs and bootlegs. It is certainly a risk to assume he will stay healthy, but if he does, I think Daniels will be worth the money. Also, I've heard that when the new CBA is finally approved, deals that were signed this year won't fully count against the cap because it happened in an uncapped year.
Derrick Ward - This signing isn't much of an event in my book. Ward was more than serviceable last year, although I think that was mostly due to great run blocking and defenses getting softened up by Arian Foster all game. If it's not broke, don't fix it. Ward won't be the second string back next year, assuming Ben Tate comes back healthy and is effective, but I don't see anything wrong with Ward as (what I assume is) a cheap insurance policy.
Shaun Cody - This signing bothers me. It tells me less about Wade Phillips' faith in Cody, and more about his faith in Earl Mitchell. Mitchell is clearly the more talented and better suited player to play nose tackle in Wade's 3-4 scheme. I'm assuming that means Cody is being kept as a backup, which obviously means that Mitchell is not the backup, which means that Lance Zierlein is wrong and the Texans' starting nose tackle for next season IS on the roster. The only way I see another nose tackle being added is through the draft for development. I believe this signing rules out the possibility of acquiring a free agent to fill this position.
What's even more frustrating is that pesky Shaun Rogers deal that was just signed. $4 million dollars over one year for a player that has been, at the very least, very good in this league at playing nose tackle, or $5.75 million dollars over two years (with $1.5 million guaranteed) for someone who has never even played in a 3-4?
How do you feel about the three signings? Weigh in via the Comments below.
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Resign Cody?
That’s crazy. The guy does absolutely nothing out on the field. He’s not a good rusher, he doesn’t stand out in run defense, and he couldn’t start for an 0-16 Lions team. Maybe I could understand Mitchell starting since he’s a little more beefy than Okoye and still has speed and rushing ability, but keeping Cody and not signing Rogers is just another example of the lack of knowledge this administration has.
Or maybe
It’s another example of the lack of knowledge of fans…, I’m not saying the Texans are the best in the league at evaluating talent, but surely they’re better at it than we couch people?
That said, I think Cody gets alot of unfair criticism mostly for not being that mammoth NT many fans have been wanting for years… What he is, is one of the more consistent defensive linemen we’ve had recently. You’re right that he doesn’t blow people away and he doesn’t stand out often in plays, but he’s consistently solid in what he does. Ask him to take on all 5 blockers, and he’ll line up and give it his best without complaint and won’t give up on the play no matter how many times he’s shoved to the ground.
Not saying he’s going to dominate or anything, but it gives us time to fill empty holes in this new 3-4 defense without being a total liability in the middle. We have 2-3 safety positions that need filling, another 3-4 LBs, and preferably a veteran CB…, it makes perfect sense to re-sign Cody to play NT (regardless of whether he’s starting or not, with 2 projected NTs on the roster we can concentrate on filling other need positions) who can at least be a temporary fit until someone better can be found.
by Bryan72076 on Mar 3, 2011 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd say a real Nose Tackle (which Cody absolutely isn't)
… is a bigger need than at least 1 of those safeties, and 3 of those linebackers.
Dream Texans Draft:
1. Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia
2. Rahim Moore, FS, California-Los Angeles
3. Sione Fua, NT, Stanford
4. Casey Matthews, ILB, Oregon
5. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
6. Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M
7. Chas Henry, P, Florida
I don't know
I think Cody would be a pretty good NT in Wade’s system… Just have to agree to disagree I guess.., just sit back and see how it pans out next year.
Help me see that
Why would he be good in Wade’s system?
He’s not quick enough to be a pass rusher, not strong enough to clog running lanes….what makes him such a good fit in your eyes?
"Lord, beer me strength."
For one, he’s a very disciplined player. If he’s assigned 1 gap, he’ll maintain gap discipline on every play, he isn’t prone to being over-aggressive like Okoye thusly allowing huge gains up the middle. The only way a team is going to remove Cody from his gap is by forcefully moving him out of it, which would make him an effective NT even then because he’s forcing focus on himself and leaving a LB unblocked.
He’s also quicker and more capable of rushing than the prototypical 3-4 NT, which could be usefull in Phillip’s 3-4 where he has used more 1 gap principles than most 3-4 defenses generally run with.
In short, he’s stout enough at the point of attack to at least be competent against the run, he’s quick and agile enough to cause problems if left 1 on 1 against a center or guard in pass protection and he’s disciplined enough a player that there probably wouldn’t be a huge learning curve for him in the new system. He won’t put up huge stats, which will give people cause to say “aha! I told you he was a terrible NT!”, but NTs rarely have impressive stats. He’ll do his job competently, whether we find someone to start ahead of him or not.., Cody is a solid NFL defensive tackle and frankly at this point, beggars can’t be choosers.
by Bryan72076 on Mar 4, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
We have had many many(I have a hard time not loling while typing this) disagreemants about Cody
I agree with you on this. We have so many gaping holes in our secondary and at SOLB and possibly at MLB that signing a guy who can at the very least approach competency to help our front 7 is not something worth getting in a tizzy over.
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Reasonability rec...
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Mar 6, 2011 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
Winston on Rome right now
I don’t get the cody signing, but at least EWWW is gone. We have that
by AllenOU on Mar 3, 2011 3:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Hate to be the spelling nazi here
but you misspelled “procrastinator”
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
$4 million dollars over one year for a player that has been, at the very least, very good in this league at playing nose tackle, or $5.75 million dollars over two years (with $1.5 million guaranteed)
4 million was the discounted rate. There is no proof he would have taken that to play for us.
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
with this resigning...
is it safe to assume we won’t be drafting a NT with amobi, earl, and now shaun locked up?!?
I read an article saying that the Texans Cheerleaders are the 2nd best in the league at bringing in revenue...and another one saying that a Texans tailgating group won the national competition.....at least we got those going for us!
I think it could possibly reduce our chances
But you could also look at it as insurance that we don’t have to throw another “NFL ready” rookie to the wolves if we do draft one. If that happens though, you have to think one of the other two is expendable, and Okoye is the one that doesn’t seem to be getting glowing endorsements from the staff. Considering he’s the 1st rounder with the higher price tag we could see him shopped in a possible trade scenario.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
I would like to believe Okoye is on his way out as soon as trading becomes viable.
Dream Texans Draft:
1. Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia
2. Rahim Moore, FS, California-Los Angeles
3. Sione Fua, NT, Stanford
4. Casey Matthews, ILB, Oregon
5. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
6. Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M
7. Chas Henry, P, Florida
If OD is healthy
that deal is gold. If not….it won’t be a cap killer.
Ward…eh, it’s insurance, but I don’t think it’ll be needed. I have full faith that Ben Tate will show up and make Mike Kerns proud.
I dislike the Cody deal. I need confidence in my 3-4 NT and I’ve none in Okoye, Mitchell, or Cody right now.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Dammit Dammit Dammit
We needed to CUT Cody, Okoye, and Mitchell. Cody is worthless, Okoye has trade value but is currently untradeable, and Mitchell is, at best, a defensive end in this scheme. A back-up defensive end.
I don’t like the Daniels signing because I feel like both Casey and Dreessen bring more at the TE position, and the Ward signing really means nothing except that we’ll probably release Slaton.
Dream Texans Draft:
1. Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia
2. Rahim Moore, FS, California-Los Angeles
3. Sione Fua, NT, Stanford
4. Casey Matthews, ILB, Oregon
5. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
6. Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M
7. Chas Henry, P, Florida
no way that would ever happen even if the coaches thought those guys were as terrible as you do
It’s hard enough to find one ore two good players. Your scenario would leave us with 2 lineman meaning the team would be scrambling to find at least four guys in a possibly abbreviated free agency period who might have to come in and be ready to play in 2 weeks.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Well, we'd have more than two defensive linemen if they'd have kept Tim Bulman like they should've.
Plus we have Tim Jamison. I’d feel much better with our DE rotation set at Williams, Smith, Jamison, and Bulman and brand new people at nose tackle.
And just so everyone knows, I read a report mentioning that we offered Shaun Rodgers more money than NO paid him (maybe over a two or three year contract) and he picked them over us.
We will have the worst run defense in the NFL next year, mark my words.
Dream Texans Draft:
1. Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia
2. Rahim Moore, FS, California-Los Angeles
3. Sione Fua, NT, Stanford
4. Casey Matthews, ILB, Oregon
5. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
6. Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M
7. Chas Henry, P, Florida
I've never heard that it was us
Just that it was “another” team. I’d like to read that if you have a link.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
I unfortunately don't have one.
It was passed onto me by a person from another football site. I trust him (great guy, a moderator), but he didn’t post a link and mentioned that us and Washington were bidding for him.
Dream Texans Draft:
1. Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia
2. Rahim Moore, FS, California-Los Angeles
3. Sione Fua, NT, Stanford
4. Casey Matthews, ILB, Oregon
5. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
6. Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M
7. Chas Henry, P, Florida
I will ask him for the link.
Dream Texans Draft:
1. Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia
2. Rahim Moore, FS, California-Los Angeles
3. Sione Fua, NT, Stanford
4. Casey Matthews, ILB, Oregon
5. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
6. Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M
7. Chas Henry, P, Florida
He linked me to LaCanfora's Twitter feed
But I can’t find it explicitly mentioning Houston. It says Rogers left $2mm on the table though and I trust this guy, one way or another. I’ll keep digging.
Dream Texans Draft:
1. Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia
2. Rahim Moore, FS, California-Los Angeles
3. Sione Fua, NT, Stanford
4. Casey Matthews, ILB, Oregon
5. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
6. Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M
7. Chas Henry, P, Florida
Link about the Rogers thing?
Because that, right there, would make me happy.
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I apologize, it seems he might've been mistaken.
The only articles I’ve found have suggested that it was Kansas City and Washington that were bidding for his services.
Dream Texans Draft:
1. Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia
2. Rahim Moore, FS, California-Los Angeles
3. Sione Fua, NT, Stanford
4. Casey Matthews, ILB, Oregon
5. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
6. Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M
7. Chas Henry, P, Florida
We will have the worst run defense in the NFL next year, mark my words.
I really don’t understand how that Wade Phillips guy has hung around for 25 years in this league…
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
He didn't ever have players this shitty.
Dream Texans Draft:
1. Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia
2. Rahim Moore, FS, California-Los Angeles
3. Sione Fua, NT, Stanford
4. Casey Matthews, ILB, Oregon
5. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
6. Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M
7. Chas Henry, P, Florida
by krkenney on Mar 3, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think I misread your comment
I think you are saying we will be shitty againt the run? Not that the people running our defense are going to do a poor job. I don’t find either to be entirely justifiable. Mario is a beast against the run. Smith is at least adequete.
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
I'm talking about players.
Rick Smith seems to be driving hard to the rim on being one of the worst personnel evaluators in the league. I loved the Phillips signing, but I don’t think you can make gold out of mud.
The problem with the 3-4 initially against the run is that you have 5 guys immediately engaging 3, and inside, you’ve got to have two smart, instinctive, athletic ILBs to get up and fill gaps, otherwise you’ve got three interior linemen swallowing a nose tackle and the fullback clearing the lane at the late ILB. The problem with a one-gap scheme is that you’re not even holding the point of attack at the nose. You’d better damn well hope you’ve got a good player in the middle who can not only shed blocks but diagnose pass-run while he does it. This problem is further compounded by the fact that I could seriously see Ryans never being the same player again and the bottom line on Cushing is that I think he’s a rush-backer. He was pretty awful in the middle in the 4-3, and schematically a MIKE in the 4-3 and a MIKE in the 3-4 are basically the same guy.
I think the interior triad of this defense has the potential to be as bad against the run as our secondary is against the pass. I’m not particularly worried about the outside, despite the fact that I think Williams’ value might actually be in a trade… it’s a whole helluva lot of money to pay a non-pass rusher. I’d hate for what happened to GB with Kampmann to happen between us with Williams.
Dream Texans Draft:
1. Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia
2. Rahim Moore, FS, California-Los Angeles
3. Sione Fua, NT, Stanford
4. Casey Matthews, ILB, Oregon
5. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
6. Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M
7. Chas Henry, P, Florida
by krkenney on Mar 3, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
blah blah blah....
you obviously think every single player on the roster needs to be at minimum, an all-pro talent. We get it.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
was just about to post this
rick smith…..YOU SUCK!!!!!
"No matter where you go....There you are" - Buckaroo Banzai
by buckaroo_banzai on Mar 3, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
FIVE years? How much guarenteed?
The dude was ranked what, 15th out of 32 FS?
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
PFF: 15th out of 85 for safeties in 2010
It’s all safeties, not split up.
31st out of 88 in 2009.
53rd out of 83 in 2008.
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Owogwe gone
Adam Schefter
Former Rams safety O.J. Atogwe reached agreement on a five-year deal with the Washington Redskins.
i guess we have our starting safeties on our roster already....
kind of like we already have our starting NT on the roster……
Who need free agency anyway? right rick?
"No matter where you go....There you are" - Buckaroo Banzai
by buckaroo_banzai on Mar 3, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
Hey guys, don't look up...
the sky is falling.
Overreaction.com
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
I think that most of these guys are too young to remember Henny Penny...
I’m going to wait until I see what we wind up with before fussin’…
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Ah, well now I'm pissed.
I was fine with Cody, but fuckin-A, Rick… Where’s the sense of urgency? Shelling out before the real free agency period might seem desperate, but that’s what we are… Desperate for a competent safety.
They'd better hope there's no cap
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I'm waiting for Snyder to sink the entire franchise
It’s amazing how that man could be worth so much money when he throws so much of it away.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
from rotoworld...
Redskins agreed to terms with FS O.J. Atogwe on a five-year contract, 26 million.
Among NFL defensive backs, Atogwe’s 44 turnovers accounted for rank third in the league over the past five seasons, and second in the NFC. (Only Ed Reed and Charles Woodson have more.) Also familiar with defensive coordinator Jim Haslett’s system from their time together in St. Louis, the 30-year-old Atogwe will fit in nicely in D.C. He’ll play free safety, with LaRon Landry manning the strong side and continuing to focus on “the box.”
I read an article saying that the Texans Cheerleaders are the 2nd best in the league at bringing in revenue...and another one saying that a Texans tailgating group won the national competition.....at least we got those going for us!
That is not a lot of money.
For a good player who would have filled out biggest need.
Pardon me, but… Fuckballs.
they really...
painted a pretty good picture of him huh
I read an article saying that the Texans Cheerleaders are the 2nd best in the league at bringing in revenue...and another one saying that a Texans tailgating group won the national competition.....at least we got those going for us!
Damn
thats what i was thinking. I would have liked to have read this instead though:
He’ll play free safety, with Bernard Pollard manning the strong side and continuing to focus on "the box."
by theSpaceCityKid on Mar 4, 2011 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
This single snippet.....
says all you need to know about why Texans FO didn’t go after him.
the 30-year-old Atogwe
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
I just saw this.
FUUUUUUUUUUUCK.
"KUBIAK FUCKING SUCKS. BOB MCNAIR SUCKS. THE TEXANS SUCKS."
-90% of the Texans blogosphere-
I prefered Weddle
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Looks like he's going to ask for $7MM/year
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That's quite a lot.
What’s the most we’ve paid for a safety again?
I don’t see it happening is he is asking for $7mil/year
We have major needs in the defensive backfield. I just hope that if/when free agency rolls around, we do splurge in order to fill those gaps.
"KUBIAK FUCKING SUCKS. BOB MCNAIR SUCKS. THE TEXANS SUCKS."
-90% of the Texans blogosphere-
Worth it to me. Weddle and Sidney Rice were my two favorite players in the 07 draft.
Well, them and Peterson…
Dream Texans Draft:
1. Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia
2. Rahim Moore, FS, California-Los Angeles
3. Sione Fua, NT, Stanford
4. Casey Matthews, ILB, Oregon
5. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
6. Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M
7. Chas Henry, P, Florida
It looks like Wade Phillips WAS our free agency period.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
I have a plan, and it's so cunning you can brush your teeth with it!
did the labor agreement get finished and free agency happen without me noticing?
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
You mean you didn't get the memo?
I know, I’m full of sunshine and cyanide today because of Lockout Eve, but resigning a defensive player who, at best, is depth, and keeping our full stable of tight ends and Derrick Ward doesn’t inspire me with a great deal of confidence.
Combine that with the Texans’ generally inactive free-agency periods in the past. I can’t say I feel too awful good about this right now.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
I have a plan, and it's so cunning you can brush your teeth with it!
by UprootedTexan on Mar 3, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
Rick Smith must think the draft will fix ALL our needs.
"No matter where you go....There you are" - Buckaroo Banzai
by buckaroo_banzai on Mar 3, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Or he is waiting for free agency to start
that magical thing where more then 2 “good” players are available to be signed
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
I would understand your stance a lot more
If the Texans had ever shelled out cash on free agents not named Antonio Smith and Jacques Reeves.
I’m trying to be patient here, but when you have a gaping hole of suck and aren’t even mentioned as players for a true difference maker at said position, it’s hard not to see that as pathetic.
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agreed
seeing as they haven’t done it before, i have doubts they will do it now
I read an article saying that the Texans Cheerleaders are the 2nd best in the league at bringing in revenue...and another one saying that a Texans tailgating group won the national competition.....at least we got those going for us!
For all we know they have already decided to move Quinn to FS
and go out and throw stupid money at Carlos Rogers(is that right?) Either way, it makes ZERO sense to say that we expect FA to solve all our needs because of 2 players we didn’t persue, before real free agency begins.
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
i know
but it’d sure be nice to at least heard that they kicked the tires on them
I read an article saying that the Texans Cheerleaders are the 2nd best in the league at bringing in revenue...and another one saying that a Texans tailgating group won the national competition.....at least we got those going for us!
woops fucked that sentance up
it makes ZERO sense to say that we expect FA draft to solve all our needs. Perhaps not zero sense, but still, that was just a silly thing for banzai to say. 12 more months of this is going to be awesome when they cancel the season. /fucking fuckedy fuck you nfl and nflpa
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
nolander...I was being sarcastic about rick smith feeling like the draft...
will fix all our needs.
it just seems like with rick smith involved we never sign high profile free agents, we just draft for need every year
"No matter where you go....There you are" - Buckaroo Banzai
by buckaroo_banzai on Mar 3, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
sorry then
its hard to tell when people are being sarcastic anymore, every post comes stocked with about 20 obligatory fuck kubiak and smith comments.
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
by nolander on Mar 3, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I just get a little tired of business as usual with smithiak
I’m not going down the " I hate kubiak, smith, McNair, etc" road
And I always enjoy the diversity of opinions on BRB.
"No matter where you go....There you are" - Buckaroo Banzai
by buckaroo_banzai on Mar 3, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I understand that
but there is nothing usual about this offseason so its hard to judge their actions until its played itself out
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
Fair enough
"No matter where you go....There you are" - Buckaroo Banzai
by buckaroo_banzai on Mar 3, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm sure thats the plan at this point.
With a better CB and Jackson, then Quin at FS and Nolan at SS.
It’s just that this plan relies on three players who have either no track record of playing well or no track record of playing well at that position.
Whereas pursuing Atogwe would have given us two with a track record, possibly three if we signed a decent CB as well and let Jackson compete for the job/slot spot.
TL;DR: I hate this plan.
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by riversmccown on Mar 3, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I hate it too.
And I hope it’s not the official plan.
"KUBIAK FUCKING SUCKS. BOB MCNAIR SUCKS. THE TEXANS SUCKS."
-90% of the Texans blogosphere-
The problem is...
There’s a pretty good chance there won’t be another free safety on the market.
If they had gone for him and lost out, that’d be one thing. But to not be at all aggressive on your biggest position of need, when there’s very little left on the free agency market or in the draft? Well, that’s just stupid. And while last year I would have given them the benefit of doubt, the whole “young secondary” thing has convinced me that they don’t have any brilliant schemes up their sleeves.
For all we know Quinn is moving to FS
or they are planning on taking one in the 2nd round
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
Words can't express how much I hate this idea.
But I’ve gone over that before… As for finding one in the draft? I dunno. Every analyst has deemed this an awful draft for safeties. And I don’t think Smithiak and their scouts have much of a history of defying the pundits. At least, certainly not on defense.
I would have understood it if the Redskins had wooed him with an absurd amount of money. But the contract he just got is incredibly reasonable for a player of his caliber. To not even see us in the mix frustrates me.
Well we need a SS too
we might be planning on getting a CB in FA, a SS and SOLB in the draft
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
I'm OK with SS in the draft.
There are a couple of interesting mid-round options, and it’s not as demanding in the coverage aspect that is so sought-after. But FS has proven so hard for us to find in the draft. At this point, a proven commodity would be very welcome. Maybe they’ll go for Weddle… But there’s going to be a ton of competition, and he’s likely to get more money. That’s fine by me, but we’ll see if they’re willing to shell out for him.
I say get Bob Sanders ASAP
If we could sign him a one-year contract, it would be worth a risk, no? What else options do we have? There isn’t good enough safeties in the draft to close our giant holes at Safety
no
Just no
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
by papabear on Mar 3, 2011 6:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think if you want to sign Bob Sanders you give a ridiculously incentive filled contract
Start out at the veteran’s minimum with escalators based on games played
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Mar 3, 2011 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not at all speaking for throwing a lot of money after Sanders either
But right now we hardly have anything to fill our Safety slots. Even if Quin is moved to FS and we draft someone to play SS we are ridiculously short of talent and depth. Sign Sanders on a one-year contract. It’s risky buisness, but way better than nothing. He can’t demand too much and there is a slightly possibility it could be a huge reward for us.
Bolts signed him this evening.
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Saw that, Eric Weddle insurance it appears
I hope that we Sign weddle
Sanders is SS, Weddle is FS
I’m guessing they’ll throw the wallet at Weddle.
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What seems obvious
I feel that Sanders would have been no more risk than Daniels. Moot point now though
I am totally optimistic about the Texans new season - at least until the first of the 4 or 2 (if any) preseason games
by Barryfromtexas on Mar 4, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Geoff? Who's Geoff?
Im warming up to the signings after reading a couple of papabear’s comments on several threads.
Their hands are tied up. There’s nothing they can really do. And there’s not that much depth(on NT) in the FA anyways. I’d hate to think that Cody/Okoye will be our NT this coming season, but it’s hard to blame them.
"KUBIAK FUCKING SUCKS. BOB MCNAIR SUCKS. THE TEXANS SUCKS."
-90% of the Texans blogosphere-
Are you on Charlie Sheen Powder?
I don’t even listen to me.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
Well, what can you expect.
He’s not a bi-polar, he’s a bi-winner!
"KUBIAK FUCKING SUCKS. BOB MCNAIR SUCKS. THE TEXANS SUCKS."
-90% of the Texans blogosphere-
Drank too much TigerBlood last night.
"KUBIAK FUCKING SUCKS. BOB MCNAIR SUCKS. THE TEXANS SUCKS."
-90% of the Texans blogosphere-
Man you guys are going crazy today
I’m not particularly thrilled with what’s gone down, but I’m tempted to join Nolander in defending Smithiak just because there is so much unnecessary hate.
Free agency hasn’t started yet. The draft hasn’t happened. If we go through the entire offseason without adding anyone, then freak out. But not now.
I would rec this a million times if I could.
Dream Texans Draft:
1. Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia
2. Rahim Moore, FS, California-Los Angeles
3. Sione Fua, NT, Stanford
4. Casey Matthews, ILB, Oregon
5. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
6. Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M
7. Chas Henry, P, Florida
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by buckaroo_banzai on Mar 3, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
Jamal Williams got cut by the Broncos.
Probably too old to be of much use any more, but was the prototypical 3-4 NT for a long time with the Chargers…
Since we arent signing any note worthy players (Otogwe, Rogers)
Maybe we are planning to throw the bank at Nnamdi? (wishful thinking)
Theres... another
Rogers the CB. I think there are 5 guys we could sign to play CB that wouldn’t be horrible. Assuming FA ever happens.
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
I want Josh Wilson
I wanted him last year, though, when he was flipped for a 4th rounder.
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I would also like to have him
but I think he will re-sign with Baltimore
Yah the FA CBs are a pretty deep group
There’s Scrabble, Carlos Rodgers, Ike Taylor, Jonathan Joseph, Josh Wilson, Richard Marshall, Antonio Cromartie…
Watch the Texans sign one of the bigger names and make everyone look silly for doubting them.
I have a sneaking suspicion if we sign one of those guys, it'll be Taylor.
Just big enough to make the news, just unimpressive enough to make me roll my eyes.
Dream Texans Draft:
1. Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia
2. Rahim Moore, FS, California-Los Angeles
3. Sione Fua, NT, Stanford
4. Casey Matthews, ILB, Oregon
5. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
6. Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M
7. Chas Henry, P, Florida
If we sign Ike Taylor
Well be as fucked as a 1$ whore.
He’s horrible! I’d rather start McManis against Jerry Rice then Ike Taylor!
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(prisoners team): The guards!
Caretaker: Who we gonna kill?
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Caretaker: Who we gonna kiss?
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Caretaker: [smile] Gotcha.
by CCBach on Mar 3, 2011 7:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
great, now I have to change pants
stop teasing me!
So Jamal Williams was just released
Any chance he could fill our big fat NT role? He was good in San Diego
Define fill
he can be big and fat and a NT, and he really “fills” out a uniform
Is it better to live as a monster or die as a hero?
Do we currently have another decent FB on the roster?
If not, why the hell havent we resigned Leach?
Fun with hindsight
Sign Shaun Cody and Owen Daniels today, or sign OJ Atogwe today? Roughly the same overall money.
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Saw a lot of signings today.
Something league wide as these negotiations continue to drag on.Texans weren’t the only ones re-signing players.
The only one I was a little WTF about.....
was the OD signing…..especially to a 4 yr deal? He shreds his knee again we are fucked w/ his contract for the rest of those yrs.
I have to agree w/ someone elses statement that Cody is if nothing else competent. Because IIRC, it was mentioned a time or two during the season that we didn’t hear Cody’s name allot, which was probably a good thing for a d-lineman.
Just my $.02
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