Draft and Free Agency for Texans
by SpredAloha on Mar 5, 2011 4:08 AM CST
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Print* The Original Has Been Changed. This one is more definitive on which pick based on comments and further research. Enjoy.
Free Agents: CB. Shoving another CB taken in the first round is a bad idea. Kareem is talented and would benefit from a veteran CB to act as mentor. Any CB would probably be an upgrade at this point and why not try to maximize on Kareem, a first round pick. I can see them bringing in Antonio Cromartie at CB.
Trades: Amobi is pretty much useless now. They trade him with the browns who are switching to the 4-3 so that we switch our second round, third, fourth and fifth round picks with them.
Tenders: Jacoby Jones is tendered and we get a second round pick for him.
Draft:
Round 1: Julio Jones (Alabama), WR- If the Texans can land him here they would have a physical beast with monster determination who for example ran a 4.39 40 yard dash with a broken foot.
Round 2: Stephen Paea (Oregon State), NT- The hype around Phil Taylor is somewhat unwarrented but works in our favor because Stephen Paea will fall to us at 38 overall. Oh yeah this guy did 49 reps too.
Round 2: Dontay Moch (Nevada), OLB: Raw but is the fastest rush 3-4 OLB in nearly a decade. Very raw but with guys like Demeco Ryans to learn from, he could become very good. To put his speed into perspective he ran his fourty yard dash in 4.45 seconds, that is faster than AJ Green ran it and only .06 seconds slower than Julio Jones, the fastest prospect at the combine ran it.
Round 3: Casey Matthews ( Oregon), LB: If he's anything like is brother he will be well worth it.
Round 4: Deunta Williams ( North Carolina), S: He and Glover Quin will combine to make fantastic plays next year and he presents great value as he is the second ranked safety in the draft who actually projects to the Cowboys in round 3 but we get because of Okoye.
Round 5: Alex Henery ( Nebraska), K/P: He is versatile, can kick better than most NFL, Is there any downside for a fifth rounder?
Round 6: ?
Round 7: Anthony Sherman ( Connecticut), FB: We have proven that a good FB can lead to great rushing success.
Breakdown: A reason a lot of these picks are good is because it brings in players who WIN. Every prospect except Stephen Paea had a winning season. OSU, Connecticut, Nebraska, Oregon and Nevada had great seasons and all went to bowls two of which were BCS Bowls and one played in the National Championship. Alabama is one of the most winningest programs in the last two years they won the BCS National Championship last year and trounced MSU this year. Bringing in young talent that WIN will change the mindset of the team, they will strive to win more than ever.
Line up:
Offense:
QB: Matt Schaub, you have Leinart and Orlovsky competing for back up. Who knows maybe Leinart could become good under Kubiak. I was thinking they would bring in a QB in the draft but Leinart eliminates that.
RB and FB: You have the pro bowl combo of Foster and Leach
TE and OL: The fourth ranked OL( maybe a bit overrated but even if they're 10, thats great) and a pro bowl tight end.
WR: Julio Jones, Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter. If Julio goes to other teams he could good but if he can learn from Andre he could be HOF great and in the process make Johnson greater because it would remove his double teams.
Defense: They move Glover Quin to SS and Sign a veteran CB.
Front 3: Williams and Dontay Moch, does it get better? Paea is a very strong DT who eats up blocks and with the ends thats what he earns his check doing.
Line Backers: Connor Barwin, Brian Cushing, Demeco Ryans, Casey Matthews, If you can find a line backer corp that has more potential than this please tell me. Also this already a top 10 corp.
Secondary: Glover Quin at SS and Deunta Williams at FS. Williams will bring his natural talent and Quin will bring his unique physicality to the safety position. Kareem Jackson can learn much from a veteran CV and could establish himself as very good CB. Cromartie is already good.
Conclusion: I don't see any holes on either side of the ball and there isn't any overly expensive FAs. Please give me any feedback especially on the later rounds.
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Shaun Rogers
I’m pretty sure he’s going to N.O. unless I missed something in the past couple days.
I’m starting to warm up to drafting Quinn.
by Ryan81 on Mar 5, 2011 9:20 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Every one of those safeties is back-up quality at best.
FS needs to be addressed through free agency (Weddle). Better to use those mid-round picks on some linebacker or O-line depth.
I'm sticking to my guns in my belief that Quinn will not be there at #11
I don’t like any defensive player likely to be there either since I think Miller, Quinn, Peterson, & Prince will all be gone. Every other defensive player there looks like either a bust waiting to happen or would be a reach at #11. As much as I know the defense needs an major upgrade, I can’t help but think Julio Jones would be too good to pass up. I also believe that other teams would be willing to trade up to get him as well. With that in mind, I think we should either draft Julio Jones or look for a trade down option that gives us the most picks
In the event of drafting Jones, I think the Texans will make a history making move & trade up for the first time into the bottom of the 1st round to grab a NT, most likely either Stephen Paea or Phil Taylor. If somehow a CBA is in place, I think Okoye will be gone in this trade along with our 2nd & a future 1st or 2nd pick. I hope someone picks up the 2nd round tender on Jacoby so we can draft Dontay Moch here, then go after Casey Matthews in the 3rd. 4th round will be a Safety. I think the only reach we’ll make is in the 5th when we (wisely I might add) draft Alex Henery. 6th should be a CB & 7th will either be a 3-4 DE or our mandatory TE draft pick (sorry, had to throw that in).
In Free Agency, the Texans will make an offer that (sadly) Nnamdi Asomugha will refuse. The next target on the list should be either Eric Weddle or Michael Huff. Next we’ll target either Richard Marshall or Johnathan Joseph. With Rodgers going to the Saints & us grabbing a 1st round NT, we’ll go after Alan Branch for some (cheap) depth at NT. Also I think Quentin Groves could be brought in to compete for a starting OLB spot & Jason Allen will be resigned for CB depth, possibly to even start at #2 CB. Lastly one more MLB will be brought in for depth.
In conclusion, defensively this is how I picture our defense looking like going into preseason:
DEs – Mario Williams, Antonio Smith, Earl Mitchell, Tim Jamison, 7th Rd Pick
NTs – Paea/Taylor, Shaun Cody, Alan Branch
OLBs – Dontay Moch, Casey Matthews, Connor Barwin, Mark Anderson, Quentin Groves
ILBs – Demeco Ryans, Brian Cushing, Daryl Sharpton, FA ILB
CBs – Marshall/Joseph, Jason Allen, Kareem Jackson, Sherrick McManis, Brice McCain, 6th Rd Pick
FSs – Weddle/Huff, 4th Rd Pick, Quintin Demps <~~~primarily for kick return experience
SSs – Glover Quin, Troy Nolan
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
They're kinda loaded at LB right now
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Mar 7, 2011 1:27 AM CST up reply actions
@ Quinton Carter is the second ranked safety in the draft. He will way better than what we currently have and Deunta Williams made All team ACC. They aren’t Rahim Moore but they are good enough.
@ Owl: Very valid points but I believe that the first 10 will go like this:
1. Marcel Dareus
2. DaQuan Bowers
3. Nick Fairley
4. AJ Green
5. Von Miller
6. Cam Newton
7. Patrick Peterson
8. Blaine Gabbert.
9. Prince Amukamara
10. Julio Jones
In the case that quin doesn’t fall to us, we would get jones. We could then trade his rights to the rams for more than the 11th is worth if they are desperate for him and we could probably get a second round pick if we throw in something extra like our fourth round pick. If not we keep him. Amobi could be traded so that we could move a few spots in the second that way we could get Paea or Taylor. If jacoby signs somewhere else we could still get heyward with an extra second round pick. I would love to have quin but Julio Jones and Andre Johnson, combined with the owen daniels and hb receiving prodigy arian foster, come on now…
Our defense, primarily our front seven could be great if somehow we get taylor/paea, heyward to match with williams and land quin at the 11th. Combine that with good choices regarding aquiring quality FAs in the secondary and we would have a team.
I don't see the Browns taking Newton
I also see a scenario where the Eagles trade Kolb to Arizona for the #5 pick, then they take Quinn, Browns would take Peterson in your scenario, SF takes Miller, then the Skins take Newton at #10, which leaves Julio Jones falling into our laps, where we either draft him or open the door for trade down options
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Mar 6, 2011 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
Miller ain't a 4-3 OLB & he's too small to play DE in the NFL
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Mar 6, 2011 5:39 AM CST up reply actions
Wishful Thinking
This could happen
5. Robert Quin
6. Julio Jones( This is where things get mixed up because they are looking for weapons for McCoy)
7.Patrick Peterson
8. Blaine Gabbert( Over Cam Newton because they already had VY)
9. Prince Amukamara
10. Cam Newton.
That could actually leave miller falling to us if quin is taken top 5
No way Miller gets past #9
You think Jerry Jones would let a Texas prospect get past him???
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Mar 6, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
Dallas is desperate for a CB more than an olb. They have Demarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer. We all know how good ware is but spencer was a 26th overall pick and an all pro last season.
Problem is you're using logic
Jerry Jones doesn’t use conventional logic, he cares about selling jerseys
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Mar 6, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
Jones is a better value over Prince, even if he is a need position player
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Mar 7, 2011 1:29 AM CST up reply actions
Owen Maricic
What do you think of Owen Maricic out of Stanford, he could provide great depth at ILB and learn from Leach to become a future arian foster lead blocker. Sounds pretty good for what could be a 5th round pick.
no interest in a FB/ST guy at round 5
we could get a similar type in Anthony Sherman in round 7 or as a free agent. Too many needs on this team to take a FB that early.
Agreed
I fell a little into the hype of Stanford and forgot about this guy. Is he really projected to go in the 7th?
he's a 5'10 FB, I wouldn't be surprised if he went undrafted
That’s the point though, so few NFL teams place value on FBs any more that they can be had very cheaply, there’s really no point in taking one higher than the seventh round in the draft.
Agreed
We have seen what kind of success that foster has brought our running game but vonta leach is also owed much credit to.
Besides, I think they'll reach for Henery in the 5th
We need a punter with his kind of leg, plus he can handle kickoffs & FGs that might be just out of Rackers’ range
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Mar 7, 2011 1:31 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
He is a really versatile kicker/punter and is an upgrade of turk but rackers is pretty good. I remember that 57 yard he made and is pretty clutch.
*In Denver
His leg is barely good for 50 away from Denver. Anything past 50 yards could be left to Henery
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Mar 7, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Once In A while Kicker
He can kick and punt which is good value and that is true. If he is there late that would be a good quality pick.
I could really see NE trying to trade up for Julio if he is still there.
Texas. Gods favorite country.
I think that's our best hope for a trade down scenario
But I’m tempted to hope the Texans tell Belicheck to go fuck himself & draft Jones
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Mar 6, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
dude me and you are on the same page
sometimes i start to read a post and I dont even need to check the name bc I already know its you bc it says we draft Julio and trade up into the back of the 1st for Taylor/Paea! Im so down and there is very little that would entice me to trade away the pick with Julio Jones sitting in our lap. It should tell us something if the Pats are trying to trade up to get him and the Rams might give us half their assets to do the same.
JUL-I-O! JUL-I-O! JUL-I-O! JUL-I-O!
by theSpaceCityKid on Mar 7, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
Belichick doesn’t draft WR that high. With guys like Jernel Jerrigans, Greg Salas, Austin Pettis, ETC that can be had later he will bet on them.
those arent even close to the same level talents as Julio Jones
if Belichick wants to add mroe of what hes got then have at those later round guys but Julio Jones is a future franchise player and him teamed with Brady is scary.
by theSpaceCityKid on Mar 7, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
Randy Moss, Wes Welker
Randy was worthless when NE got him and wes welker was undrafted. Bill takes projects.
Im hoping this was a typo--
Randy was worthless when NE got him
In Moss’ first season with the Pats he had 98 catches for 1493 yds averaging 15+ a catch and 23 touchdowns. Then he followed up with 69 and 83 catches and 100 and 1200 yd the next two years. WORTHLESS?!? check your stats bud
by theSpaceCityKid on Mar 7, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
Raiders
The year before he was traded he only had 42 reception for 552 and 3 TDs the patriots only needed to send a 4th round draft pick the raiders’ way to get him. He was great once he got there but wasn’t worth much before, which is what I was trying to say.
OK but we all knew his potential
from his play at Minn and i dont think anyone considered him a scrub when he left Oakland… just a player that quits playing if he doesnt want to.
by theSpaceCityKid on Mar 8, 2011 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
Much like terrel owens or steve jackson right now.
Bad attitude great tools and potential. Bellichick has rehabbed many players
Feedback
most were based on the assumption that phillips will make the current players better. May I ask which picks u disagree with?
Dontay Moch won't last till the 4th round
Probably will go in the second, & I’d rather have Moch over Heyward
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Mar 7, 2011 1:18 AM CST up reply actions
Not to mention
Ohio State = Red flag in NFL
Think of a backup DE in the 4th round to spell behind Antonio Smith, or as I said earlier, hope Casey Matthews is still on the board, which I think he’ll be gone in the 3rd, which is where I’d take him. Also shouldn’t Deunta Williams still be on the board in the 4th?
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Mar 7, 2011 1:25 AM CST up reply actions
So what you're saying is?
2. Dontay Moch
3. Casey Matthews
4. Deunta WIlliams
If so i do not see williams in the 4th but maybe.
Okay, which safeties will should be there in the 4th?
Doesn’t matter if it’s a free safety or strong safety, Troy Nolan can back up either position & Glover Quin could start at either position. Also I think we still have Quintin Demps on the roster & he can backup either spot as well
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Mar 7, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Deunta Williams, Ahmad Black, Jeron Johnson
Those are pretty good safeties. Ahmad lets people get behind him sometimes and Deunta doesn’t have the greatest speed, johnson is the most well rounded.
I believe Casey Matthews might be projected as an ILB isnt he?
but Moch would be OLB no question about it, he is a raw version of Von Miller. We had this discussion on another thread and his and Vons numbers are practically identical
by theSpaceCityKid on Mar 7, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
ya Casey Ms first position is ILB
as a prospect.
by theSpaceCityKid on Mar 7, 2011 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
This is my problem though.
We have cushing and ryans as ILB and barwin and hopefully moch on the outside, right now we only really need one LB and thats most likely to be an OLB. That third round pick could be better spent on a better safety.
As we found out last season
We need as many LBs as we can get. We just got rid of Bentley, Diles, & Adibi. Right now both Anderson & Barwin are considered projects as OLBs, & there’s no guarantee Cushing will stay at ILB. Cushing could move back outside, leaving Matthews & Sharpton to compete for the other ILB spot & Moch, Barwin, & Anderson competing for the WOLB spot
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Mar 8, 2011 12:35 AM CST up reply actions
In a 3-4 system
LBs are more prominent on the roster to fill depth and special teams position as opposed to the TE frenzy we saw before. I believe. So adding Casey Mathews to this corps would be huge for our depth and quality at this position.
by theSpaceCityKid on Mar 8, 2011 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
We are looking at LB looking like this
ILB: Demeco Ryans, Casey Matthews, Daryl Sharpton
OLB: Dontay Moch, Connor Barwin.
Either: Brian Cushing
We have two proven linebackers in Ryans and Cushing and if Casey sits and watches for a year than we can gauge his potential. Moch and Barwin, Both have great potential and Barwin is a little proven. Either way we will have two quality backups in matthews and sharpton for the first year.
You forgot about Mark Anderson
He’s moving to OLB as well
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Mar 9, 2011 1:18 AM CST up reply actions
Cromartie has a 1st round tender
No way we’re giving up a 1st round pick for him
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
Didn't see that news.
I’ll have to update this list later, thanks for feedback, any good vet CBs out there?
I think Johnathan Joseph & Richard Marshall are out there
I’d be happy with either one. Also Michael Huff is out there. I could be happy with him at FS if he comes at the right price then have Quin move to SS
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Mar 7, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
MOCK 2011 TEXANS DRAFT & FREE AGENCY
1St JULIO JONES WR
2nd STEPHEN PAEA NT
3rd ROBERT SANDS SS
4th DONTAY MOCH OLB
5th DEUNTA WILLIAMS FS
6th CHIMDI CHEKWA CB
7th ALEX HENERY P
SIGN
FS ERIC WEDDLE
DT AUBRAYO FRANKLIN
CB JONATHAN JOSEPH/ IKE TAYLOR
P STEVE WEATHERFORD
RESIGN
RB ARIAN FOSTER
FB VONTE LEACH
OL RASHARD BUTLER
DE MARK ANDERSON
TE OWEN DANELS
by FLASH94 on Mar 8, 2011 5:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Quite a few problems with this
1. Paea won’t last that long on the board
2. Moch will be gone sometime in the 2nd, 3rd round at the latest
3. Quin can play SS, so we could use that 3rd round pick on a LB
4. We’re not taking a rookie CB at all in this draft
5. Henery will be long gone before the 7th round
6. If we draft Henery, why the hell would we sign another punter, & vice versa?
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Mar 9, 2011 1:15 AM CST up reply actions
i agree TNO but,
we will grab a CB in the draft, maybe even in the first, if the draft does not play out in our favor. with quin moving to safety, we can take on another cb talent to develope. this cb class is a lot deeper than last years, we good get a CB in the 3rd that is probably better than people drafted in the second and first last year.
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