Will The Sacks Come For Antonio Smith?
Last season, the Texans were among the best teams in the NFL at one thing: teasing their fans. Not just with the scores of games, as we all are trying not to remember with our bleach and vodka cocktails, but also on a play-to-play basis. I can remember having quite a few arguments over the course of the year about hurries and what they mean for the Texans going forward; whether they made the defense a better unit or just showed that they were getting there too late to matter.
Despite buzz word quotes from the Texans' front office about how free agent signing Antonio Smith is their most consistent lineman, he has managed just 8.5 sacks in the last two years. For reference, noted bust Amobi Okoye had three of his own last year, not far off from Smith's average. Smith did wear a ninja mask, which makes him conclusively cooler than Okoye, but that's neither here nor there.
However, per the actual hurry numbers, Smith has been one of the league's best pass rushing defensive ends over the past couple of seasons. Steph Stradley ran an interview with Bill Barnwell of Football Outsiders a couple of weeks back where Smith was acknowledged as one of the bright spots on the team. Smith finished with 36.5 hurries last season, good for fifth in FO's rankings, and also led the league in QB hits (plays where a quarterback is knocked down) with 19.
Barnwell says, as is conventional FO wisdom, that those numbers should mean that "more sacks will be coming from Smith in 2011." Of course, the same thing was posited about Smith last year, when he had 24 hurries and 14 hits to go along with 4.5 sacks. I'm not saying that Smith is an exceptionally bad finisher, though I can remember a few highlight reel plays where someone escaped from his grasp. Is it possible that Smith just isn't all that good at accumulating sacks?
This is one area where Football Outsiders' statistical comparisons probably won't help us. Just for reference, Antonio Smith's last three seasons are most similar to...Antonio Smith's last three seasons as of a year ago. And it's not particularly close. The other names on the list include four Renaldo Wynn three-year intervals, and one each of Eric Hicks, Aaron Smith, Brady Smith, Greg Spires, and John Thierry. What makes this list particularly infuriating is that none of these players were really around for the charting project era, so we can't get a good look at the hurries numbers that we'd like to draw a comparison from.
What does immediately pop out at you is that none of these players were particularly good for sacks in the future. Brady Smith notched six sacks in 2004, and that's the most that any of these players were able to put up after their comparable seasons with Smith.
It's clear that Antonio Smith has a rather unique defensive profile in today's age, but it's not clear what that means for his future. Is it possible that Smith will say, double his sacks next year? I wouldn't bet on it, considering that he'll be moving to a 3-4 end, but I also wouldn't put it past him. He's a terrific one-gap penetrator, and that is a hallmark of the Wade Phillips scheme. Did Smith just have a pair of bad years at finishing the deed when he gets in the backfield, or is this an established thing that we should look for going forward?
Unfortunately, it's very hard to answer this question with the data we have. There does appear to be enough anecdotal evidence to think that Smith will never live up to his hurries, but there's also hardly a player that is conclusively similar to Smith going forward.
Like Smith's last two seasons, the indication that he will suddenly come out and start posting sacks left-and-right appear to be more of a tease than anything right now. Could it happen? Sure. Will it happen? Don't count on it.
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Smith is an enigma
Every time I consciously watch him, he seems to be just a little bit out of the play. Over or under pursuing and stuff like that.
I think the sacks would have come, but as a 3-4 end in wades system I’m not sure they will
He was definitely NOT the problem with the defense last year. I think the subtraction of ewwww and pollard will help him and the front seven in general immensely.
by AllenOU on Apr 13, 2011 12:50 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'm sure a number of those hurries are a result of Smith failing to finish
But I also imagine a significant number of them come from our secondary not being able to cover someone for more than 3/4 of a second.
by Calvinball on Apr 13, 2011 12:54 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This.
Usually, a hurry gives DBs the opportunity to make a play before they get out of their back-pedal and it gets more difficult to find the ball. But ours had such awful awareness that it didn’t seem to matter…
Oh, and one more thing to take into account with Antonio Smith: he doesn’t usually get to rush off the edge in easy sack situations (i.e., 3rd and long). I’m guessing he’d be in the 7-9 range if he weren’t moved inside on passing downs.
by Nashmeister on Apr 13, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very Good Point
Regarding his third down opportunities. Moving him inside certainly doesn’t figure to help his sack numbers.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
That's what I was thinking
Our scheme basically gave opposing offenses the quick underneath routes. Hard to get sacks when a quick slant will always lead to a completion.
Peightun to Clark agrees
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Apr 13, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem with Smith and, to some degree, Mario is that...
The QB doesn’t see any push from the middle of the defense. They’d probably both have more success if the QB was flushed to a side rather than having a pocket to step into because the lack of push from our DTs.
That aside, I recall some times where Smith got evaded. Mario’s better at finishing than he is (I believe their hurry numbers are the same. Right, Rivers?).
"Lord, beer me strength."
Smith had more this year due to the games Mario missed
But yes, on a per game basis they aren’t too far off.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Apr 13, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Okoye's numbers were good to in the hurries and sack sence
But yes, overall not having a consistent push up the middle hurt. I’m sure there’s thing Smith, and the rest of the line, can do make sure they get those sacks, but as long as we are applying consistent pressure the sacks will eventually be there. Assuming teams can’t just throw a slant on a three step drop all day.
"Well, at least our players kept their helmets on, so that showed some intelligence"-Bob McNair
lack of sacks from Smith
Is less infuriating than the personal fouls that give the offense a first down and a new life. Also, how many times did the Texans have 3rd and long and give up the first down because the other team had the time to find an “open” receiver or throw a screen, ugh! And, I’m not necessarily blaming this all on Smith. Because, if we just focus on Smith, then we are leaving a lot out of the equation.
I can criticize Smith, but his extracariicular activites outside the scope of normal play are what I find most disconcerting. How about some self control?
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on Apr 13, 2011 1:21 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
People still hatin
And butt hurt because we didn’t sign the “big name” DE at the time. Other than his annoying jumping off sides once a game, Smith has brought aggressiveness and been the most consistent defensive linemen we have. He was an excellent signing.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
by DaGoaT on Apr 13, 2011 1:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Consistent for sure
He gets a penalty per game, overpursues, and gets his share of hurries. Antonio’s a nice RDE, but I wouldn’t complain if the Texans drafted a J.J. Watt or Cameron Jordan.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Agreed
He’s competent. Certainly better than the Corpse formerly known as Anthony Weaver, but it’s not like he’s anything to write home about.
Frank Bush delenda est
he was a good signing.
check this out if we don’t resign mario would y’all be happy with a darnell dockett signing? i only say this cause he will be a free agent next year too and has been playing in the 3-4 for awhile now.
Ain't Dockett getting up there in age?
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Apr 13, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm.
On one hand, I agree with you that he’s been a pretty good player for the Texans and has been consistent and done what’s asked of him. Still a big fan of his.
On the other hand, it’s a lot like say, the contract Wandy Rodriguez got from the Astros. Or Carl Pavano got from the Twins. It’s hard to call them overpaid, but they certainly aren’t bargains and thus their contracts didn’t actively help the team. It might be market value, but market value for a player who isn’t terrific usually isn’t a great signing.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Apr 13, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I read the title of this post
And thought “No.” Antonio Smith is the prototypical Rick Smith “big” free agent signing. Thoroughly satisfactory and nothing more. Of course, that’s not to say those signings aren’t usually a huge improvement over the unmitigated black hole of suck they’re replacing.
Frank Bush delenda est
He's good but not great.
Their is nothing wrong with having good but not great players.
If we had a better secondary I bet you anything those hurries would have been way more important.
We can bitch all we want but Antonio is better than at least half of the nfl DE’s.
We are all important to each other, and because of this we have a purpose. - Daniel Black (Yes, that's me)
I like Smith
Until he gets that stupid penalty and then I cuss him
I think I agree with most here. He is good, but not great. Will he get the sacks? I have no clue how the D will work yet. I am hoping he gets a few more, but I have no clue.
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