With The Twenty-Fourth Pick Of The 2011 BRB Mock Draft, The New Orleans Saints Select...
Jon Banks and LouisianaTexan have turned in their card. Banks discloses the pick, along with a pretty solid amount of explanatory self-loathing, after the jump. Preview before the jump, just for you: Reggie Bush "is the highest paid punt returner in the NFL." You have to respect that kind of candor.
Welcome to New Orleans, Mark Ingram (RB--Alabama).
The Saints' needs are at almost every position outside of quarterback and defensive back. The receivers are only made better by Drew Brees being able to spread the ball to anyone capable of catching the ball. Same goes for the tight ends, who are currently at a deficiency after the loss of
a drunk homeless guy with tattoosJeremy Shockey. The O-line is bookmarked by two turnstiles named Jermon Bushrod and Jon Stinchcomb. Bushrod is a good backup, but is not starter material, while Stinchcomb is 32 years old and past his prime. Running backs are led by Pierre Thomas (who just broke his ankle eating crawfish), Reggie Bush (who is the highest paid punt returner in the NFL), and Chris Ivory (who just shattered into a million pieces as you read this).Meanwhile, the defense is in dire need of Front Seven talent. Will Smith is the Saints' premier pass rusher...sorry, I lost my train of thought after the tears subsided. Defensive tackle is set for the 2011 Lockout, as Sedrick Ellis is coming into his own nicely and Shaun Rogers will line up next to him. The other defensive end is Alex Brown. Meanwhile, the linebackers are a bunch of suck, piss, crap, and Jonathan Vilma. And if we draft another defensive back, I will stab a Cowboys fan.
So, after complaining about the lack of defensive talent, why would I want a running back? Because this draft is filled with defensive talent compared to offensive talent. The Saints can pick up more project players in the 2nd or two players in the 3rd round when their picks come around. Meanwhile, this draft has only one good running back that should be drafted and his name is Mark Ingram. Though Justin Houston or Akeem Ayers was a possibility, I just can’t let a talent like Ingram slide.
Despite Ingram's pseudo-addition to our pseudo-Saints, you just know that Reggie Bush will somehow figure out a way to continue robbing the Saints blind regardless of who the Saints really choose on April 28th. It's science.
Draft Recap:
1. Carolina--Cam Newton (QB--Auburn)
2. Denver--Patrick Peterson (CB--LSU)
3. Buffalo--Marcell Dareus (DT--Alabama)
4. Cincinnati--Von Miller (OLB/DE--Texas A&M)
5. Arizona--A.J. Green (WR--Georgia)
6. Cleveland--Da'Quan Bowers (DE--Clemson)
7. San Francisco--Robert Quinn (LB--North Carolina)
8. Tennessee--Nick Fairley (DT--Auburn)
9. Southern Oklahoma--Tyron Smith (OT--USC)
10. Washington--Jake Locker (QB--Washington)
11. Houston--Prince Amukamara (CB--Nebraska)
12. Minnesota--Blaine Gabbert (QB--Mizzou)
13. Detroit--Julio Jones (WR--Alabama)
14. St. Louis--Aldon Smith (DE/OLB--Mizzou)
15. Miami--Mike Pouncey (G/C--Florida)
16. Jacksonville--Cameron Jordan (DE--Cal)
17. New England--Anthony Castonzo (OT--Boston College)
18. San Diego--J.J. Watt (DE--Wisconsin)
19. New York Giants--Gabe Carimi (OT--Wisconsin)
20. Tampa Bay--Ryan Kerrigan (DE--Purdue)
21. Kansas City--Brooks Reed (DE--Arizona)
22. Indianapolis--Nate Solder (OT--Colorado)
23. Philadelphia--Jimmy Smith (CB--Colorado)
24. New Orleans--Mark Ingram (RB--Alabama)
The mind behind Battle Red Onion, UprootedTexan, is now on the clock for the Seahawks with the twenty-fifth overall pick.
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Hate the pick
The Saints found ways to have success with no name running backs even further down the depth chart than Ivory, who looked good when healthy, so you want to use your first round pick to upgrade your banged up RBs, with….another banged up RB? I think there were alot of other areas where that money would have been better spent and a player could have made an impact rather than yet another 1st round RB in a timeshare.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
by DaGoaT on Apr 14, 2011 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
In 2009, the Saints had the best o-line in the league.
The o-line has declined in quality, and it had an effect on the running game. The injured runningbacks just added to the problem. Plus, running backs have more effect on a offense than a front 7 player has on a defense except maybe a MLB.
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by Jon Banks on Apr 14, 2011 10:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Does not compute
If your oline declined, how does adding an expensive running back fix that issue?
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
Only Patrick Willis can answer that question.
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
by Jordann on Apr 14, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Because we had no balance on offense.
We couldn’t run the ball because we sucked at it. Being able to run the ball with quality backs will help our O-line and the passing game. As well as let our defense have more rest.
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BPA
I liked Ingram for the same reason most Texans fans like Julio Jones. Yes there are defensive needs, but nobody at that pick can impact the Saints the was Ingram can. I would have been ok if Jon had said “We’re drafting justin Houston and there’s nothing you can do to stop me”, but personally I think Ingram is the best fit for immediate success.
by LouisianaTexan on Apr 14, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
WR value > RB value
A UDFA can have the same impact as a first round RB. That is nearly unheard of among WRs. RBs just don’t have the value of other positions, there are too many of them out there with similar skill sets who just need a good producing system to succeed. A successful WR talent is much harder to find.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
by DaGoaT on Apr 14, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wayne Chrebet would like to have a word with you
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Apr 14, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
As would
Wes Welker, Rod Smith, Marques Colston, and Antonio Gates (not quite a WR but close enough)
by LouisianaTexan on Apr 14, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Exceptions to the rule
There will always be outliers. Take this into thought, the top 3 RBs last year? An UDFA, a 3rd rounder, and a 5th rounder. In the WR ranks, 2 of the top 3 were 1st rounders, Brandon “one year wonder” Lloyd was a 5th rounder as the other in the top 3, but all but 2 of the top 10 WRs last year were 1st round draft picks. A first round WR is a much better bet than a RB. A RB’s value is in the middle rounds.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
Can't argue with that logic
However the draft is always a crapshoot. There are plenty of first round WR busts and I’m sure I could google WRs from rounds 3-5 who have had great careers too. Nobody knows for sure how these guys will shape out, but with RB being a need due to Ivory’s injury history and Pierre Thomas being a pussy free agent, Ingram was the best at that position. I’m not sure if some of the defensive guys on the board are immediate impact guys and there may not be many immediate impact guys left at #24 so you have to grab them when you see them
by LouisianaTexan on Apr 14, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn it
one of these days I’ll learn to properly use the strike through feature
by LouisianaTexan on Apr 14, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
This RB class is absolutely awful after Ingram though
And that can’t be understated. This RB class is GARBAGE after Ingram.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I think you could say the same thing about last year's RBs, too. Am I right?
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yep
this year after ingram you have three guys who can make an impact.
leshoure from Illinois
Murray from OU
Williams from VT
I think Murray can be a WONDERFUL compliment to someone like foster or jon stewart, but cant be the only guy
Yes, there are some guys with talent, for sure
I think the college game has gone towards the spread offenses that don’t employ RBs in the traditional sense. Teams like Alabama with their pro offense and Ingram and other guys following in his footsteps still hand it off and run the pro-style.
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I don't agree with that at all
There are no superstars that much is true, but this is a deep deep class for RB depth and potential. Anyone who subscribes to the Rookie Scouting Portfolio on footballguys.com for fantasy can see the amount of depth this year. I’m sure alot of you didn’t know about Blount before he blew up, or a guy like James Starks who was well coveted in the fantasy world before he got healthy and had a big end of the season run. I think it was LT that was quoted as saying that the only thing that separated the superstar running backs from the backups was opportunity.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
Well I hate Julio Jones for Houston too
Unless you can convince me he is the next Lynn Swan
Also hate the pick, but enjoyed the write up
A good O-line guy will typically have a much longer career than a RB, and it takes a while for the O-line to gel, while a RB usually performs well immediately. That is why I am always in favor of addressing line issues before RB.
I almost want a draft of DBs to New Orleans since that'll rid the world of Cowboys fans apparently
I like the pick for New Orleans. They need a workhorse to balance that offense out and lessen the load. The line about this being a deeper defensive draft is correct. Great pick.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Awesome write-up
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Yes, and he made a good pick for the Saints
They could really use a guy like Ingram. I can see it in real life. They would use him right and he would bring some balance to their offense.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Oh I hope so.
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Yup.
Hey BFD, He’s a Texans fan too. Need an intern?!
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
I think he's already got an SBN gig
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by bigfatdrunk on Apr 14, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup.
But people that make good coffee is hard to find nowadays!
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
Yeah, just ask Kubiak
Rick Smith must make some awesome coffee to keep him around
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Apr 14, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh Thank Durga,
I thought it was going to involve a Panda Suit.
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You forgot to add the part where Drew Brees bult the city from ashes after Katrina.
Other than that, good job.
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
good write up
terrible pick
and if you think anyone has sympathy for the saints lack of talent, they dont. you won the superbowl very recently, so now its time to go back into mediocrity for the next 40 years.
go fuck yourself new orleans
i did really enjoy the write up though, it kind fo sparked my fuck you towards the saints
yea go fuck yourseld N'awlins
if there is a team i hate it’s them. to tell you the truth i hate tits and cowboys just as much.
I think you will get that anywhere
If the Texans ever figure everything out and win championships, you will see #80 jerseys everywhere, the same way you see Roethlisberger and Brady jerseys all over the place. Casual fans gravitate to who is good right now. Always have. That being said, the new Saints fans are a special breed of annoying. “Who Dat” is not an acceptable answer to “Where are you from?”
by LouisianaTexan on Apr 14, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Excellent place to party
Terrible place to live
by LouisianaTexan on Apr 14, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
You guys have it easy
Trying living near the largest military transition spot in the country, its a collision of Cowpuke, Steeler, and Redskin fans. Its like a cesspool of stupid genes wearing jerseys.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
Norfolk,VA?
I lived there when I was in the navy
by LouisianaTexan on Apr 14, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the Saints players and their coaching staff,
but with all due respect, and remember I’m saying with all due respect, “Who Dat” is the lamest swagger I’ve ever heard of.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 14, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What about Cincy's
Who Dey
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Apr 14, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
an equally retarded cousin from the North
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
Far more retarded
It’s like Balki vs. Travis Johnson.
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by bigfatdrunk on Apr 14, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Try it when you're drunk.
Or after you beat the Cowboys. It’s awesome.
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Ok,
I can understand that. I hated CSC when they were all over the place. They disappeared after the Browns game, but started coming back before the Seahawks.
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I'm not expecting anyone to have sympathy, I was trying to dole out some info on the Saints.
And wow, what the hell did the Saints do to you? They sucked for 40 years, got a good coach, gm, and QB for the first time ever and turned it into a Superbowl after 4 years.
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I hope OU loses to Baylor.
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I believe this falls under the heading,
“Be careful what you wish for.”
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
I have a plan, and it's so cunning you can brush your teeth with it!
by UprootedTexan on Apr 14, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep. All the hype of regular Bush
But with half the ability.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
I have a plan, and it's so cunning you can brush your teeth with it!
by UprootedTexan on Apr 14, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm calling it now
Seahawks take Jake Locker
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
Only if they trade into the top 10
to get ahead of Washington.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
Something tells me Washington will trade back if they want him
While Seattle hopes he falls to them
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Apr 14, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
i think seahawks have to pick a receiver or d-lineman
corey liguet and wilkerson would be good for them. but i have a feeling marvin Austin might be their guy.
But now you have speculation that the Patriots could take him
and between the #17, #28, & #33 picks, they have plenty of opportunities to do so
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Apr 14, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope.
DT.
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
The Seahawks pick is in.
May Odin have mercy on our souls.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
I have a plan, and it's so cunning you can brush your teeth with it!
Maybe. I actually forgot who I picked!
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
I have a plan, and it's so cunning you can brush your teeth with it!
by UprootedTexan on Apr 14, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I know what's going on around here
All this distaste for picking a RB in the 1st round, I mean. The Texans faithful have fully bought into the the Kubiakist theory that RBs are out of bounds in the 1st round; that you can always find a suitable alternative in a later round preferably the 3rd round or later. Simple as that!
Anytime someone talk about drafting a RB in the 1st round, sure enough someone rushes in and denounces that idea and says, “WTH are you doing that for when there are other areas of the team where you can spend the money?!?”
LOLing!
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I don't think it's just us
There’s a lot of talk around the league about how RBs are more fungible than other positions. Frankly, it’s something I with which I agree. Unless the talent is elite, I’d prefer to take my time to get a RB.
That said, I don’t agree with the Ingram pick, either. I don’t think he’s special, I don’t think he’ll be elite. I would’ve taken somebody different.
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by bigfatdrunk on Apr 14, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
And...
there’s another one right below, very next post!
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I'm not sure with this pick.
Pierre Thomas is a very solid RB when healthy, Chris Ivory looks like a very good RB, and Reggie is still an elusive 3rd down back.
If the Saints need another RB, wait until the 3rd round. Guys like Jordan Todman from UCONN and Johnny White from UNC have good value there.
If you watch film of Johnny White, he looks like he’s going to be a steal, given that he won’t likely be taken until the 3rd round. Same goes for Todman.
Again, I think Muhammed Wilkerson or Corey Liuget would have been the best pick here. Both are 4-3 DTs, and have upside, especially Wilkerson.
A D-Line of Will Smith, Liuget/Wilkerson, and Sedrick Ellis is a damn good one.
This pick gets a C- from me.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
I just like what I see on film from them.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 14, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I've not seen much on Wilkerson
but Liuget definitely will make some team very happy.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Wilkerson is raw,
but has soo much upside.
I think in a year or two, he’ll be a terrific player.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 14, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Correct me if I'm wrong
but isn’t Pierre a FA this year after the CBA gets settled? Also, I think the Signing of Shaun Rodgers gives the Saints options to try and develop a DT like Powe for the next few years
by LouisianaTexan on Apr 14, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't see Shaun Rogers was signed.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 14, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Pierre Thomas is good…but can’t stay healthy. Ivory hobbles off the field after every play, and that isn’t hyperbole. Bush sucks, cut his ass and use the money on Brees new contract. We need a workhorse, not a plug-in back. We’ve been trying for 5 years and it only worked once.
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Oh shit.
Didn’t read Shaun Rogers. Didn’t even know you guys had signed him.
Now, I think you guys should have gone with Justin Houston.
He would make the entire D-Line very good, if not dominant. Alex Brown is passed his good days(if he had any), and Will Smith can’t do it by himself. Houston has tons of upside, and is a physical specimen.
I’ll give this pick a C+ now, but Houston is the best pick here.
You guys have a hell of an O-Line. Draft Houston and you will have a hell of a D-Line. Winning in the trenches on both sides of the ball is a key thing.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
Heyyy BRB staff its our 2nd rd pick over at MtD
and Dontay Moch and Brandon Harris are on the board still. We took Julio Jones in the 1st round and I think as heated as the Prince/Julio debate got, a Dontay/Harris debate would be just as good. To be honest I think Quinton Carter can be thrown into the discussion as well.
"But what are you supposed to do? You’re the Space City Kid, after all!"
-Cut Block
by theSpaceCityKid on Apr 14, 2011 12:25 PM CDT reply actions
We got our pick in
Should be going up today or tomorrow, I think.
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by bigfatdrunk on Apr 14, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Youre on the Harris train arent you?
"But what are you supposed to do? You’re the Space City Kid, after all!"
-Cut Block
by theSpaceCityKid on Apr 14, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I would be pretty satisfied if we come away with Julio and Rahim
in the first two rounds. Nice job guys, didnt even see he was still on the board.
"But what are you supposed to do? You’re the Space City Kid, after all!"
-Cut Block
by theSpaceCityKid on Apr 14, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I would go Brandon Harris or Paea if he is still on the board
I would gamble that we still get Moch in the 3rd
Harris
Other two our third rounders
by AllenOU on Apr 14, 2011 12:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Bet you a cold one
Paea isnt there at pick 73 come draft day
oh, I misunderstood
Thought you meant Paea was a 3rd rounder…in looking back at it, I see now you meant Quinton Carter
dont know about y'all but tits making some good picks over there.
fairley and bruce carter kinda of the second coming of fat al and keith bulluck
Paea is a first round talent
Ive seen soooooo much of Quinton Carter, but at 42 i think that is a reach.
I would love a sooner on the texans, but harris would be a MUCH better pick at 42, even with his only great year being when he was a sophmore.
The thing that I like, as goes @TexansDC like about Q carter, is he can play both safety spots in wades D, and at 6-1 205 brings some pop with him
like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecbU_IsFxWk
or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgSi1nG-hkc
guy has 8 carrer ints, and two BIG ones in bedlam this year
In both cases
the NFL would probably fine him for leading with his head
(groans at direction NFL rules are heading)
I know, ive been reading up and he sounds like a very versatile safety.
Sounds like he enjoys playing the run but has great instincts in coverage. A ’11 secondary of CB1- FA (Joseph) CB2- Jason Allen/Kareem compete FS- Quin and SS- Carter
"But what are you supposed to do? You’re the Space City Kid, after all!"
-Cut Block
by theSpaceCityKid on Apr 14, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Rec'd post for:
…Reggie Bush (who is the highest paid punt returner in the NFL)…
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Never try to baptize a cat.
Speaking of RBs
Taiwan Jones of Eastern Washington U, just ran a 4.30-ish 40, 11’-0" horizontal jump and 39.5" vertical at his Pro Day! Some timed him at 4.27!
That’s pretty good. He can carry the rock, too. In 31 games, 383 times for 2,955 yards and 29 touchdowns.
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