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"What do I think of Houston's 2009 draft?  Funny you should ask me that..."


Tune in to the 2011 NFL Draft on NFL Network!

FLASHBACK TIME!

/sets Wayback Machine to April 2006

Rd #Overall

1 --- #1 Mario Williams DE NC State
2 --- #33 DeMeco Ryans LB Alabama
3 --- #65 Charles Spencer OG Pittsburgh
3 --- #66 Eric Winston OT Miami (FL)
4 --- #98 Owen Daniels TE Wisconsin
6 --- #170 Wali Lundy RB Virginia
7 --- #251 David Anderson WR Colorado St.

Depending on who in the mainstream sports media you asked, the Texans' 2006 draft was either terrible or merely bad at the top, but saved by some later picks.  Either way, the conventional "wisdom" was that taking Mario Williams first overall, rather than Reggie Bush or Vince Young was THE WORST DRAFT DECISION IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD OMGWTFBBQ!!!!!one!!1!  (I may be underselling that a tad.  I apologize.)

Buy the ticket, take the jump, and allow me to pedantically explain where I am going with this.

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You'd be hard-pressed to find someone other than Mario, his mama, and me who thought he was the right pick.  You'd also find a lot of people who thought that getting Charles Spencer that late was the steal of the draft, that Wali Lundy had the size/speed/talent to be a very good NFL running back, and that David Anderson was unlikely to actually make the team.

You certainly would not have found anyone telling you that Reggie Bush was destined to be a glorified punt returner with a penchant for big butts and nagging injuries.  Nor would you have found anyone saying that Vince Young was going to be a tequila-swilling headcase with a habit of shirtless dancing and crying on the sidelines.

Now, I get it: there's a natural human tendency to want to say that certain teams did better than others on draft day.  Such is the nature of competitive sports that even something as wildly speculative as how a bunch of college kids will perform in the pros is turned into a competition unto itself.  Sports journalists, many of whom are lazy and/or unoriginal, exploit this public desire and create extensive team-by-team draft grade cards, complete with explanations for why their grades make sense.

Except they rarely do.  Any grade that is based on how some kid is going to perform at the next level is an exercise is futility, as bfd's string of draft successes and draft failures has shown time and time again.  Any grade that is based on what that writer perceives to be a steal of a pick or (worse) a reach of a pick are similar dumb except in the most extreme cases (read: Kareem Jackson).

In fact, about the only aspect of a team's draft that I can see lending itself to a grade is the overall draft strategy.  For instance, if the Texans had taken Dan Williams in the first last year because they were banking on Kareem Jackson being there in the second, and had they subsequently gotten Jackson, that would have been a very smart strategic play.  Conversely, taking Kareem Jackson where they did because Richard Smith Frank Bush had a mancrush on him?  Not so much.

I realize that I am not breaking new ground here.  On some level, anyone who cares enough about a team to frequent a blog and discuss minutiae in the comments knows that you can't grade a draft until you see how the players perform for a couple years, and you certainly cannot grade a specific draft pick beyond something amorphous like "I would have taken X instead because _____."  So, come tonight, whether it is Robert Quinn (swoon!), Prince Amukamara, Aldon Smith, J.J. Watt, or Mike Kerns that gets drafted, the fact is any of those picks (other than Kerns) could wind up being an A+.  Any of those picks (especially Mike Kerns) could wind up being an F-. 

In fact, I'll take it one step further; if a team has a coherent draft strategy to address certain needs and they couple it with a coherent plan of attack for free agency, then as long as they stick with the draft strategy and get the kind of players they were targeting, it's hard to give them anything other than a good grade.  Unless there are a lot of TEs involved, because, in that case, the strategy itself is asinine.

[Author's note: I don't mean to suggest that I am immune to this draft-grading disease.  After all, I'm the guy who blamed Jesus for what I thought was a terrible selection in 2009.  Even though many or most of my concerns about Cushing have not yet abated, I would be a fool to suggest that, in retrospect, I wasn't overreacting.  That said, I am not a journalist, nor do I pretend to be one.  I am a fan who happens to (occasionally) write things about his favorite team.]

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What is your definition of "occasional?"

Sleeping for long periods of time, waking to check the sun, and then going back to sleep….like a groundhog, occasional?

Okay

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on Apr 28, 2011 9:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Yup... that'll leave a mark...

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Apr 28, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

F, that's better than drafting Mike Kerns! Congrats bfd!

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on Apr 28, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought this was posted by MDC?

Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.

-Catch 22-

by Jordann on Apr 28, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thx!

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on Apr 28, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

My brain is scrambled eggs right now.

Don’t mind me.

I watched a video worse than Mr Hands and One guy One Cup.

Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.

-Catch 22-

by Jordann on Apr 28, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Men should not share a cup

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on Apr 28, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

a video that you found disturbing

…consider me intrigued. Terrified, but intrigued.

"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds

by papabear on Apr 28, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

/laughing... truer words...

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Apr 28, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can't say that

And not link to the disturbing video.

Needs more nose tackle.

by JimboTexan on Apr 28, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Apparently he did

My name is Barry - I am from Texas

by Barryfromtexas on Apr 28, 2011 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know...

It’s just too soon. What if Vince Young throws more TDs than INTs this season, or Reggie Bush increased his punt-return average? Clearly the jury is still out.

by Nashmeister on Apr 28, 2011 9:48 AM CDT reply actions  

VY throwing more TDs then INTs, 2 TDs and 1 INT....lol!

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on Apr 28, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Richard Justice likes where you're going with this argument.

Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.

-Catch 22-

by Jordann on Apr 28, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, draft strategy, again, I must be obsessed with definitions this morning

Does Risk Smith have a strategy? It is that he adheres to picking players according to the team’s needs even though he has always stated the opposite in interviews. Except, for the deviation and abnormal predispostion to drafting TEs (WHACK!).

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on Apr 28, 2011 9:48 AM CDT reply actions  

I see your point but...

Al Davis has a coherent draft strategy, and he gets the kind of players he targets, in free agency and the draft. And I’m going to judge him anyway. I think the bar is a little higher.

Needs more nose tackle.

by JimboTexan on Apr 28, 2011 9:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Right

That’s like the MORE TIGHT ENDS strategy. I guess I mean “coherent” in terms of “other people don’t look at your strategy and think you are functionally retarded.”

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by MDC on Apr 28, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

/looks left

/looks right
/sighs
/walks away

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Apr 28, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dementia

Is not retardation. And everyone knows you need a blocking tight end with swine flu, a pass catching tight end, 2 tight ends from Wisconsin, a tight end wide receiver conversion project, and Joel Dreessen. You know what you don’t need? Safeties.

Needs more nose tackle.

by JimboTexan on Apr 28, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

We all know what the master plan is...

If you have a stranglehold on the tight-end supply, you don’t need safeties; after all, who are they going to cover? The plan is flawless, we just need better execution; can’t let guys like Jacob Tamme slip through our fingers.

by Nashmeister on Apr 28, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pfft.

Who cares about the draft anyways. We just need to trade up for Peterson because WE MUST WIN NOW! Fuck the future, we can just fill our defensive needs with veteran free agents and we’re gonna be competitive like Da Bears or Da Jets and we’re gonna be consistent and be divisional champs!

Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.

-Catch 22-

by Jordann on Apr 28, 2011 10:09 AM CDT reply actions  

i would draft mike kerns over aldon smith

smith might have more upside, but kerns could come in and be mario williams russell westbrook, ie pushing mario to the ground and recording the sack on his own

by AllenOU on Apr 28, 2011 10:11 AM CDT reply actions  

I still chuckle.

Every time I hear Mel Kiper rip the Texans apart for not taking Reggie Bush and other ESPN analysts ripping the Texans for not taking VY.

No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.

by Ethan Matz on Apr 28, 2011 11:00 AM CDT reply actions  

You are.... you are....

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on Apr 28, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fire Morey!

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on Apr 28, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have a wilted house-plant that would grade higher than VY

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Apr 28, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought the pick was absolutely the right one when it was done

but then again I despise U$C and Reggie Bush. I actually rooted for Texas in that BCS ’ship. Excuse me while I go grab a quick shower and throw darts at my VY poster.

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by JustAJ on Apr 28, 2011 11:49 AM CDT reply actions  

I actually liked the Mario pick

not because I am some sort of genius, just because I believe in building your lines first. That was the extent of my analysis, but you know what? I was right!

These hands will always be rough

by nolander on Apr 28, 2011 11:49 AM CDT reply actions  

No, you can't win without a premier QB!

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on Apr 28, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

You rang?

Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.

-Catch 22-

by Jordann on Apr 28, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

But if that QB is on the ground every other play.....

It’s like which came first the chicken or the egg. There’s arguments for both sides.

Houston Texans:
1st Round: J.J. Watt (NT)
2nd Round: Ras-I Dowling/Brandon Harris (CB)
3rd Round: Mark Herzlich (ILB)
4th Round: Shiloh Keo (S)
5th Round: Chris Carter (OLB)
6th Round: Alex Henery (P/K)
7th Round: Stephen Burton (WR)

by CCBach on Apr 28, 2011 12:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Vince Young wasn't a premiere QB

neither was Brosieden Leinert

These hands will always be rough

by nolander on Apr 28, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

These hands will always be rough

by nolander on Apr 28, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

There could be four taken in the top ten, maybe five

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on Apr 28, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh right

yes, EVERYONE GETS A QB. YOU GET A QB. No not you Bills, you go get Dareaus . YOU GET A QB. YOU GET A QB. YOU GET A QB

These hands will always be rough

by nolander on Apr 28, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or at the very least...

Rick Smith will come up to the podium, and after making an awful draft pick, announce, “by the way… we just signed Asomugha to a five-year contract.”, then immediately turn to Goodell and make the “suck it” gesture.

by Nashmeister on Apr 28, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

My respect for him would leap buildings

And I’d drop the half drank bleach bottle(bad grammar?)

Houston Texans:
1st Round: J.J. Watt (NT)
2nd Round: Ras-I Dowling/Brandon Harris (CB)
3rd Round: Mark Herzlich (ILB)
4th Round: Shiloh Keo (S)
5th Round: Chris Carter (OLB)
6th Round: Alex Henery (P/K)
7th Round: Stephen Burton (WR)

by CCBach on Apr 28, 2011 1:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I believe it's "drinkered".

I honestly have no clue. That one always got me…

by Nashmeister on Apr 28, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

drankelated?

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on Apr 28, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nicely said, MDC

But at what point is someone going to address the elephant in the room?

Once in the war-room and on the clock, how long will it take Wade Phillips to voice his opinion for the pick at hand (instead of sitting & waiting for Jerry to make the pick without input from the coaches)?

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Apr 28, 2011 2:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Shake, what? Wait?

Did you die and go back in time and get reborn as a Cowpukes fan?

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on Apr 28, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you misread that one

Try again, keeping in mind that “old habits die hard” for some coaches…

If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?

by Shake on Apr 28, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well not sure about the shirtless dancing....
Nor would you have found anyone saying that Vince Young was going to be a tequila-swilling headcase with a habit of shirtless dancing and crying on the sidelines.

But I called every one of the others. Unfortunately (or fortunately as the case may be) I hadn’t found BRB at that time yet, so no supporting evidence (or incriminating evidence) exists to prove one way or the other.

Seriously though, I did know he was going to be a headcase. I could actually see it in the few tu games I watched (and no it wasn’t blind Aggie hatred). He was a crybaby then when things started to go wrong in a game. I also knew it from some of the police reports that kept floating to the surface about him.

Nor was I sold on Reggie Bush. I didn’t think he was going to be as big a disappointment as he has turned out to be, but I did have questions about how well he would do in the NFL. More of gut instinct on that, nothing I could concretely point to and say this is why he will fail.

So I did like the Mario Williams choice…..by default, it wasn’t Radio or Bush, ergo, a good pick. lol

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Apr 28, 2011 7:11 PM CDT reply actions  

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