Top 10 Texans Draft Busts - #10: David Carr
by bigfatdrunk on Apr 4, 2011 12:00 PM CDT
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Greetings, my dearest BRB faithful. For the next four weeks (or so), I'll be doing a series on the Top 10 Busts and Successes in Texans draft history. This series should bring back a lot of not-so-fond and occasionally hazy memories of players of yore. My 10th biggest bust in franchise history is Mr. Mittens himself, David Carr.
Many of you are likely asking yourselves, "David Carr is only the 10th worst? bfd, you handsome devil you, surely you've forgotten his atrocious play." No, dear reader, I haven't. From Day One, Carr was a horrible prospect, "blessed" with a poor throwing motion and a terrible lack of downfield accuracy. In later years, Carr's ability to "turtle" (duck and cover) with no pass rushers near him was legendary. Worst of all, Carr's work ethic was questioned from the outset. Over the years, I heard constant rumbling from definitely knowledgeable sources on Carr's lack of football interest, especially in learning the playbook. Carr finished his Texans' career with 13,391 yards, 59 TDs, 65 INTs, 22 fumbles lost, and an incredibly impressive 249 sacks.
However, was Carr's failure the chicken or the egg? Charley Casserly, now somehow amazingly an analyst for the NFL Network, made an absolutely dumbfounding move in even drafting Carr in the first place. I don't know how many times I've mentioned this over the years, but I'm an inside-out guy when it comes to building a football team. Drafting Carr was stupid, period.
Thus, Carr gets a bit of a break in this situation. No, I seriously doubt Carr would've ever lived up to his #1 overall or even his first round pick pedigree, but Casserly put him in a situation to fail. Also, Charley Casserly sucks. If you're ever feeling down about yourself, just put on NFL Network and watch Casserly, who's proof that failing upward is completely possible.
Next three picks after Carr: Julius Peppers, Carolina; Joey Harrington, Detroit Lions; Mike Williams, Buffalo Bills.
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If the BRB mock somehow hits
I suggest we ante up and offer the money to the FO for use in free agency
Carr at 10 is going to make me tune in to see the other nine
Oh, how I wanted Julius Peppers in 2002. He would’ve been a brilliant OLB for Dom Capers.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I had no clue...
Was still so giddy to even have a team that I didn’t do much research, thinking “Well, Charley and Dom have done this before… We’ll be ok.” Fug me, was that wrong. Also, had much less free surf time at work then and no NFLN, so I was flying blind.
Now, at least I know enough about the first rounders that I can justify what the FO was thinking, but the Carr pick was silly, especially for a defensive HC.
Ugh.. I feel sick.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
This is why I have Carr so low
If the question was, “What are Charley Casserly’s Top 10 Worst Picks?”, Carr would be #1 by a mile.
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Add me to the list...
Eagerly awaiting the next nine installments, sexy.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
This draft was full of busts
and surprisingly Carr has had the second best career of any QB that year, only behind the immortal David Garrard. At the time of the draft the Texans had no QB’s, having traded away the rights to Danny Weurful for a late draft pick. I think what condemned Carr was selecting Gaffney over Portis leaving no running threat whatsoever to the offense.
And let's not forget how terrible the offensive line was either
especially since they didn’t select any Tony Boselli insurance.
Imagine if they had drafted a guy like Bryant McKinnie in round 1 over Carr and Portis & Pitts in round 2…we may be singing a whole different tune as a run-heavy team who played defense.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I , like many others want to see the other 9
While I can agree that Carr may not be the worst, Imagining 9 worse picks is difficult.
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
I think McNair's first priority was to find a "face of the franchise"
He wanted a clean cut all American pretty boy face to put asses in the seats. Unfortunately that doesn’t always translate to good football on the field.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Agree, but...
You won’t find much of that around here. Not from the active commentors, anyway. They mainly like to lob heaping piles of loathing he and Rick Smith’s way, whilst giving absolutely no credit to them for anything positive they’ve done. I can pretty much type the reply to my own comment… “We’re still waiting for ONE!”
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
I'm hoping that Koobs has fallen into a big vat of D-licious Wade stew
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
hell I'm hoping this Wade expiriment gets us into the playoffs by 2012
Remember that I wasn’t exactly against us moving into another direction after last season?
Exactly
Every time I hear some rant about Schaub not having “it” or whatever illogical argument as to why we will never win with him I like to remind myself of the good ole “duck and cover” days.
Schaub may not be Manning, but I think he is good enough to be “2-14 insurance” because with as bad as our defense was this year we still managed 6 wins.
Rec'd for this paragraph.
“In later years, Carr’s ability to “turtle” (duck and cover) with no pass rushers near him was legendary. Worst of all, Carr’s work ethic was questioned from the outset. Over the years, I heard constant rumbling from definitely knowledgeable sources on Carr’s lack of football interest, especially in learning the playbook. Carr finished his Texans’ career with 13,391 yards, 59 TDs, 65 INTs, 22 fumbles lost, and an incredibly impressive 249 sacks."
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
I've only heard turtle used in hockey
So I didn’t know if it’d be clear.
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Of that turtle – we had Mittens remind us :)
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Apr 4, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Best. Quarterback. Evar.
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
Because others like Travis Johnson did not produce at all.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Apr 4, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Bennie Joppru
Is my early pick for #1. Maybe Dave Ragone
I am hesitant to put Jonathan Wells on the list
He played and he gave effort, but he was a 4th rounder. I don’t think we could really expect a lot.
Benny Joppru on the other hand was a 2nd round TE. Expectations should have been out of this world for a 2nd round TE.
Babin, yes, bust.
But, you know, I don’t want to take away bfd’s wind on this thing and say too much about all the others.
David Carr, bust! I can’t wait to see where bfd goes with this to top David Carr nine times!
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
HA!
As I’ve said, I give Casserly the credit for this one. There’ll be plenty of disagreements, I assure you :-) Until the last five, at least.
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lol
but Carr was the #1 pick of his draft, completely sux and is the reason we are set back as a franchise 5 more years. Casserly is certainly to blame.
Casserly
For the most part was a pretty solid NFL GM… When he was paired with Joe Gibbs and the Redskins, he did a pretty awesome job of bringing in talent that fit Gibbs’ system… I mean he is the guy responsible for bringing the “hogs” to Washington and several of them were little known players when he brought em in.., he just did a good job of sitting down with Gibbs and hashing out what was needed per position to make the machine run. Not totally defending the guy, he for sure screwed the pooch quite a bit here, but he had a fair ammount of success in his career as well. He was also at least partially responsible for us not having Vince Young under center, that earns some points with me.
I think his biggest problem in Houston was the lack of stability. The Texans seemed to build their franchise on trial and error… ‘this might work… oh i guess not, well let’s try this instead’… I’d imagine it’d be pretty hard to draft players for a system when you don’t really know what that system is going to be year to year… and in those early days i’m not too sure they had an offensive system at all.
agreed almost entirely
I only disagree with the sentiment that Casserly was allowed anywhere near the ’06 draft, right as the door at Reliant Park was hitting him squarely in the ass.
Dan Reeves (a consultant at the time) and Koobs deserve all the credit for that draft. I’d have to give credit on the defensive choices to Reeves. Kubiak should absolutely be given at least partial credit for steering us clear of wasting the #1 overall pick on Reggie Bush or Vince Young.
To this day, Casserly is allowed credit for what transpired in that draft, and I’m fine with that. The Texans, McNair, Reeves, and Kubiak are class all the way, and will probably never admit anything contrary to it being Casserly’s draft. The Texans are class.
But I just cannot bring myself around to buying in to Casserly having been in charge of any of that. Either the sport had already passed him by, or he was just never well suited to the particular circumstances our expansion club had to work through in that day and age.
I respectfully disagree; there’s just no way that was Casserly’s draft.
"With notably rare exceptions, Charley Casserly was a fantastic GM."
See also: “With notably rare exceptions, Russian Roulette is a fun, safe game for all the family to play.”
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by bigfatdrunk on Apr 5, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Some of Charlie Casserly's 1st rounders
Michael Westbrook, Heath Shuler, Tom Carter, Desmond Howard, Bobby Wilson, Kenard Lang…. not exactly all HOFers
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
And some of his late rounders....
In the same draft that they missed on Shuler he drafted Gus Frerrote in the 7th round. While hardly a star player, it’d be hard to argue that it wasn’t very good value for a hardly known 7th rounder.
Mark Schlereth in the 10th, Brian Mitchell in the 5th, Jimmy Spencer and his 26 career INTs in the 8th, Keenan McCardell in the 12th, and Frank Wychek in the 6th..,
He’s also been credited with playing a large role as a scout and evaluator in landing guys such as Dexter Manley in the 5th (97 1/2 sacks in NFL), Darryl Grant in the 8th (mainstay starter at DT), Charles Mann in the 3rd (83 sacks), Raleigh McKenzie in the 11th (some 200 starts at guard), Barry Wilburn in the 8th, Super Bowl winning QB Mark Rypien in the 6th, Kurt Gouveia in the 8th (nasty LB for years), Russ Grimm in the 3rd (HOF guard)… and so on
As for first rounders, he also played a part in drafting guys like Art Monk (HOF), Mark May, Darrell Green (HOF), and Champ Bailey… so it’s not like he drafted nothing but busts…
Again though, i’m not saying he was great in Houston, he clearly wasn’t, but failing in one position doesn’t always make a failed career. He did alot of good things for the Washington Redskins, and it’s because of his time there that he gets the respect he does now, not his time in Houston.
I agree that he was solid in D.C.
And horrible in H Town. And that 1st Round picks are a mere fraction of the choices he had to make. But it gets pretty tough, once you start blowing enough of them.
Then again, late first rounders are not the same as high first rounders. Matt Millen is funnier.
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