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Gary Kubiak and drafting Wide Receivers


Most people through the years have had the impression that Kubiak has taken the stance that he can coach up the offense without adding much talent because of his knowledge of that side of the ball while giving the picks and additions to the D to do with what they please (even if they use those poorly).

I'm not so sure this is true.

Sure, Kubes was involved in taking Mario with his most important pick.  But Vince wasn't his type of player (no matter if McNair made him try out a year of mittens or not) and Reggie Bush wasn't necessarily either, at least for the type of number one back he likes (one cut and go, little jukage).  In fact, putting that draft in terms of the type of player Kubiak likes makes people who still claim Casserly pointed out Mario even more ridiculous (Chron.com).

 

But after that, Kubiak, traded two twos for Schaub, and took Duane Brown with a first rounder.  In the Mario draft, he took two Franchise tackles in the third round (that Charles Spencer pick never gets the kudos it deserves because of a fluke injury).  He's strategically picked off a starting WR in free agency (Walter) and late in the draft (DA).  He's taken them fairly early ('Coby).  Point is, Kubiak's not above investing in the Offense.  However, he already had his cornerstone in Andre, and got his unit excelling way before the other side of the ball.

What I'm trying to say is, we don't necessarily have evidence of Kubiak passing on a special offensive talent when itwas easily the best player on the board.

 

Dez Bryant rings a bell.  However, I might surmise that Dez's unwillingness to block might have as much to do with Kubiak passing on him as his attitude.  Julio can block.

 

Mendenhall?  Not elite like Dez and was passed for an offensive player.

 

My point is simple.  And I believe many of you will prove me wrong because you are way more knowledgable than me.  Has Kubiak passed on a truly elite offensive first round talent?  One that is clearly more talented than the defensive player picked over him? 

I'm honestly asking.  I'm not the expert many of you draft nuts are.  But, my hunch (or hope or prayer?) is that Kubiak knows elite offensive talent when he sees it and would never pass on it (unless the better defensive talent of Robert Quinn were also available in which place Kubiak couldn't be blamed for throwing a challenge flag so as to get 30 extra seconds to celebrate his good fortune).

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Two things.

-Bill Walsh was a firm believer in forgoing drafting WR talent early, in comparison with almost every other position. Kubiak takes plenty of cues from Walshian philosophies. But how much does that play into his own decision making in this case, if any?

-Is Julio such a “can’t miss” talent (he is not), or even a fit (maybe not)? Even if they believed he was, and Houston selects him, how long will it take for Julio to develop into a starting caliber WR in this offense? Either way, it would be a substantial process IMO.

by Cut Block on Apr 8, 2011 4:21 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

If I'm not mistaken but didn't bill walsh

Draft Jerry rice with a 1st round pick.

by fgp on Apr 8, 2011 8:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

You are correct. In fact, Walsh traded up for Rice
49ers coach Bill Walsh reportedly sought Rice after watching highlights of Rice the Saturday night before San Francisco was to play the Houston Oilers on October 21, 1984. On draft day (April 30, 1985), the 49ers traded its first two picks for New England’s first-round choice, the 16th selection overall (the teams also swapped third-round picks as part of the deal), and selected Rice before, as some report, the Cowboys were intending to pick him. Rice was prized more highly by the USFL, as he was the #1 pick overall in that short-lived league’s 1985 draft.

John Taylor was also an early pick as a 3rd rounder.

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by TexansDC on Apr 8, 2011 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Funny to consider what might have been.

Would Emmitt Smith hold the career TD record today, instead of Rice?…

If Rice ends up a Cowboy, does Emmitt eventually land there, as well? Do the Niners end up settling for Andre Reed, who then goes on to win MVP of Super Bowl XXIII?

Jerry Rice to the Birmingham Stallions? Heh. That would have been better than Dallas, I suppose.

Fun to consider, but I’m glad things turned out the way they did.

by Cut Block on Apr 8, 2011 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

which is why I said:
Bill Walsh was a firm believer in forgoing drafting WR talent early, in comparison with almost every other position

by Cut Block on Apr 8, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

At that point

Their starters age closely mimicked what we have in Houston now – mostly young guys with a few guys in their 30s.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 8, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with Cut Block

He has amazing measurables. But, he is not a guaranteed “can’t miss”.

However, I like the introduction of Jerry Rice into this discussion about Julio, and Walsh’s tendencies toward drafting WRs. Makes it interesting to consider what could happen. We won’t know about what Kubiak or anyone else, for that matter, thinks until draft day. It will be fun to watch the draft board and see who can’t pass him up.

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 8, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed, we're all taking stabs in the dark.

Though it’s still a bit of a stretch to compare a young Julio Jones to a young Jerry Rice (catching bricks every day in the brickyard during his youth).

Also a stretch to compare the current Texans roster to that of the post-1984 Niners. Those 49ers were pretty loaded on both sides of the ball; the Texans are behind them at nearly every spot, perhaps, other than WR.

That ’84 Niner team also played in some playoff games, I think…

by Cut Block on Apr 8, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's a playoff game?

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 8, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be opposed to Julio Jones if he was the pick but..

Robert Quinn better not be on the board still. Not sold on Aldon Smith and pretty sure the top 2 CB’s will be gone. I don’t want to reach for a DT either. Kinda stuck if we can’t trade down but getting an Elite WR talent wouldn’t be a bad consolation prize if we had to choose with what is left.

by fgp on Apr 8, 2011 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

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