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The Truth About Mario Williams

One of the truisms that I think gets shoved down the throat of football fans is the myth of the importance of one player. Other than the quarterback position, there isn't a single player on the field that can completely change a game, completely turn an offense around, or swing a unit in one direction or another. Everyone else is only as good as they can be in the role you give them, and they certainly alone can't be held accountable for the performance of a unit.

But because of the culture of the NFL, you hear year-after-year about difference makers. A team finds a perfect fit at a position that has needed fixing for awhile, and suddenly that guy is the savior. If you want to take this logical thought experiment to it's Texans-based conclusion, lets call said player Bernard P....no, too obvious, how about B. Pollard? Yes, so this B.Pollard comes in one year and is suddenly thought of as a crucial piece of a young defense that's on the rise. But in reality, all he did was be the right piece at the right time. Suddenly, the needs around him on the team changed, and in 2010 Pollard was no longer fixing the same hole for the same purpose. Instead of being a key player, he became a liability in coverage. 

I bring this up not to harp on Pollard, who handled himself with class and dignity in Houston and who I have nothing bad to say about, but instead to bring up the point that the storyline didn't follow the results. The players who were already in place were given no credit for doing the same good job they'd always been doing. Thus, Mario Williams' 2009 season, where he managed 9 sacks and became one of the best run-defending defensive ends in the game after years of being mediocre at it, was swept under the rug. While he was playing with one arm for just about the entire season, no less.

Star-divide

If ever there were a star born into the wrong set of circumstances, it would be Williams. Thrust into a draft pool with a reigning Heisman Trophy winner who was thought to be the next game-changing NFL running back and the local QB who led the University of Texas to it's first NCAA title in 35 years, Williams was the surprise first pick. The payoff of a brutal 2-14 season wasn't the marquee stars, it was this defensive end from North Carolina State. He was placed on a defense that, asides from the draft picks of 2006, has just two players still starting in the NFL only five years later: Dunta Robinson and Jason Babin. Heading into his sixth year in the NFL next season, he is on his third defensive coordinator. 

So yes, the defenses that he's been on have been awful outside of 2009, and since he wasn't the Difference Maker of that season, his contributions were undercut. Most fans were against the pick from the start--I won't name names, but I'm pretty sure I was one of them. He happened to be drafted into a town where the big shot newspaper columnist was a president of the Vince Young Fan Club--again, I won't name names--that has had an active agenda against him. 

Despite the fact that Williams has outperformed and outproduced both of the bigger names he had been pitted against from Day One, his team continues to not make the playoffs. He continues to be part of a terrible overall unit. One that he has no real control over. And despite near-total acclaim from the national audience, which will admit that he was the right pick only hastily before they get back to talking about more interesting teams or why the Texans haven't made the playoffs yet, he continues to have a segment of local fans who just absolutely dislike him for things beyond his control. You can usually find them in the Houston Chronicle comments section, but sometimes they make it to the big page. Case in point, today's AFC South mailbag by Paul Kuharsky:

Pete Timm from Houston writes: You are either blind, haven't watched must football in the two years or are just plain stupid. Ranking Mario Williams over Clay Matthews for rushing the QB. Mario gets most of his sacks against sub-.500 teams and is NEVER doubled cause he sucks. Lost all respect for your NFL opinion.

I probably wouldn't take Williams over Matthews today either as a pure pass rusher. But the rest of that argument is the classic criticism of Williams: he only plays good against bad teams, he doesn't deal with double teams, he takes plays off, and his unit sucks so it's obvious that he must suck.

The truth about Williams is hidden somewhere between the commonly accepted party lines. He's absolutely not a bulletproof superstar at this point. I love that he's been willing to gut out so much for the team, but the fact that he's been injured two seasons in a row is very disconcerting. I do think the amount of double teams that he's seen over the years has been on the decline. I'm also not totally thrilled with the idea of making him a 3-4 defensive end, and a little scared that this change will ruin his pass-rushing value.

On the other hand, the Williams Can't Win crowd is focused on a lot of ways for interpreting his value that just don't hold up with facts. Mario Williams didn't hire two straight incompetent defensive coordinators who had no credentials that showed they could handle the job. Mario Williams didn't decide to go into the year without a proper nose tackle or free safety for ten straight seasons. Mario Williams didn't decline to chase big-name free agents, or any free agents who weren't training camp refugees in some years. Mario Williams didn't make the team start Kareem Jackson as a rookie. Mario Williams didn't make Amobi Okoye, Brian Cushing, Fred Bennett, Pollard, Zac Diles, Jacques Reeves, and others regress after strong starts to their Texans careers. All he's done is be a rock for the defense while everything else that could go wrong, did. Starting 77 straight games and racking up 48 sacks. 

But he will never be the Difference Maker in Houston, because no matter how good the defense gets from this point on, he was always the block that was there to begin with. And for that, he deserves just as much respect as Andre Johnson gets.

He won't get it.

But something tells me he's used to that by now.

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I thought Cushing had that impact (mythical?) that you speak of that people want to exist, but you say doesn’t. Some just refuse to believe he did. Some gave credit to Pollard, but I think he was just additive. But Cushing just made play after play at crucual moments that season. He has a DROY trophy to prove ut.

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 9, 2011 12:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

That

was a great read. I really hope that we’re playoff bound this season… Mario and AJ deserve it so much.

Until next year...

by DieHardTexan on Apr 9, 2011 1:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Recognition will come with winning

Or at least it should.

If this is going to be the year we break through, we need a healthy Mario.

by AllenOU on Apr 9, 2011 1:10 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Rivers you are so right.

being a fellow DE in my life i can understand what things mario goes through some what. I for one was all for getting mario in the draft believe it or not.

by southpaw70 on Apr 9, 2011 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I’ve always had mixed feelings on Mario. I think he’s an outstanding force on defense but like you said, the pieces around him have never helped him or taken pressure off him. Sadly I forsee us not resigning him after this season due to salary and i see him going to an established 4-3 D and being a wrecking ball. call it Texans Pessimism but i’d say thats a likely course of action.

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by BattleRedHusker on Apr 9, 2011 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

I can see him going back to Carolina

Go play for Ron Rivera might make him a beast, then again he migh want to go to a championship team like the bears, falcons or even worst indy.

by southpaw70 on Apr 9, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mario Williams

Is an interesting player….I think in the right Scheme(and Wade’s might be it) he could be a force….time will tell though

Von Miller+Demarcus Ware+Jay Ratliff+Rob Ryan=Nightmare for Opposing OC's

by I am Ironman!!! on Apr 9, 2011 1:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Though that said

if you guys don’t want him anymore..Dallas will take him I am sure……Rob Ryan would i am sure would LOVE to have Ware, Williams and Ratliff lining up next to each other…..

Von Miller+Demarcus Ware+Jay Ratliff+Rob Ryan=Nightmare for Opposing OC's

by I am Ironman!!! on Apr 9, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about we take Ratliff off of Rob Ryan's hands for you?

He’s kinda small for that 3-4 style

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by The Night Owl on Apr 9, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Williams could be succesful at any position in any defense

He has that rare talent and body build. He probably wouldn’t like palying DT, but he could do it if he wanted to. Now if he has the desire to do be great and not just good. has always been the question.

by Drill Sarge on Apr 9, 2011 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um, who mentioned Williams at DT???

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by The Night Owl on Apr 9, 2011 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just refering to the comment of him being too small for RR's 3-4

He is 6-6 and has the build to easily bulk up to over 300. He is listed at 290. As a pass rusher, he could line up at any spot on the Dline and cause a mismatch there, like Reggie White and Howie Long did. I’m not saying he’s as good as them, but he has that rare special talent that he could do it. I’m sure Rob would take him over Bowen and Olshansky.

by Drill Sarge on Apr 9, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you were insightful - downright insightful

One of the other “shortcomings” Mario has is that he is a nice guy. Nice guy DEs do not get much respect, no matter how good he is.

I think if you checked with opposing OCs they would put a lot of “value” in Mario.

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by Barryfromtexas on Apr 9, 2011 1:42 PM CDT reply actions  

This is so true.

He just does not same to have that nasty streak like o lets say Reggie white. Reggie could be the nicest guy off the field but on he was a beast. If you on D how you be a nice guy really.

by southpaw70 on Apr 9, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

So do I.

Mario can be a disruptive force on the inside for us, something we’ve never had.

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by bone31crusher on Apr 9, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

What I'm interested in is seeing if he's going to like lining up inside.

In base sets, weakside defensive ends in this set consistantly line up as three techs with the WOLB as 5 techs. I think he has the speed and power to kill some guards. It’s also very disruptive to the QB to have someone so tall and long right directly in his face, rather than off the edge. Some ends don’t like playing inside though because you get caught up in a bunch of traffic on runs, draws, and screens. Playing inside the offensive tackles is where the men play, not the pretty boys.

by Drill Sarge on Apr 9, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

there is no way mcnair lets mario leave.

if he did it would be a media shitstorm. he would be admitting that he made the wrong pick years ago and we would have nothing to show for the first round of that draft. just my two cents.

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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Apr 9, 2011 2:10 PM CDT reply actions  

who knows what BOB might do.

it is not really up to him once they become a free agent, if Mario is tired of losing and thinks a change would be best for him then he will leave no matter the money. he just seems like that kind of guy where money does not matter.

by southpaw70 on Apr 9, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

true, but. . .

he may not be able to pay Julius Peppers type money for him if there is a salary cap. For all he’s done, he’s only made two probowls. I think someone may throw a crazy amount of cash at him, a la Dunta and the Falcons, forcing the Texans hand. The franchise tag may be in play here if its still available.

by Drill Sarge on Apr 9, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

pro bowls don't mean shit.

they are just a popularity contest that many players drop out of. if you want to measure a players true success you should see how many times they have been an all 1st team selection.

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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Apr 9, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh.

That doesn’t mean that much either. If you want to measure a player’s true success you should look at how well they do their job on the field.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 10, 2011 5:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just for the Von miller non believers

Height: 6-3 Weight: 237 any idea who this is?

by southpaw70 on Apr 9, 2011 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

well done and you get a cookie.

So all that talk about von being small and all, look at one of the greatest LB’s ever size. not saying he could be the next LT but still he might be damn good. I always thought he was bigger then that. I want von miller now so lets make it happen, or peterson.

by southpaw70 on Apr 9, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he'll have to bulk up still.

You can’t compare players of yore to players of today. Here’s an article from Dave Anderson of the New York Times in 1984 about the famed Hogs of the Redskins.

. . .George Starke, once the center on Columbia basketball teams with Jim McMillian and Heyward Dotson and now a film-maker, is also the senior Hog at age 35, but all the other linemen are young. In height and weight, these Hogs are huge:
Left tackle: Joe Jacoby, 6-7, 311, age 24, a free agent from Louisville signed as a defensive lineman, third season.
Left guard: Russ Grimm, 6-3, 292, age 24, a third-round choice from Pittsburgh, where he had been a center, third season.
Center: Jeff Bostic, 6-2, 258, age 25, a free agent from Clemson, fourth season.
Right guard: Mark May, 6-6, 295, age 24, first-round choice from Pittsburgh, third season.
Right tackle: George Starke, 6-5, 270, age 35, free agent from Columbia, 11th season. . .

Those were some of the biggest guys in the NFL back then. but I digress. . .
I still like Von Miller, but he needs to add about 15 more lbs without losing his speed. Clay Matthews looks small next to the o-linemen that block him and he outweighs Von by almost 20 lbs.

by Drill Sarge on Apr 9, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome post Rivers

I hope someone points this excellent piece of sports journalism out to Super Mario. I think he would appreciate it.

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by Deepstillbluewaters on Apr 9, 2011 6:42 PM CDT reply actions  

I like the observation about our players falling off after having initial success.

That’s a great observation and totally true. I don’t think it’s because the players got caught up in the “lifestyle” of the NFL because this is not a trend for the offensive guys. Our defensive coaches have been HORRIBLE. Overmatched by todays NFL offenses. You can’t take well tuned NASCAR’s and put Danica Patrick in them, and expect to win the Daytona 500. Some of those guys showed some talent, but never seemed to get the quality coaching they needed…

by Drill Sarge on Apr 9, 2011 9:17 PM CDT reply actions  

that is what it all boils down too coaching

i bet if dom capers was back here as DC we would wreck now, not taking nothing away from Phillips but capers will send the blitz alot more often. Anyways we have to just see this year.

by southpaw70 on Apr 9, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's more than just sending blitzes. . .

It’s using your personel like chess pieces. The players don’t seem to play “situation football” well. They just always seem to be out of position. I played football in college and coached in high school. The one thing that I learned is that you can’t assume that players know what to do in every situation. You have to work on that in practice and the film room. I saw one of the “Path to the Super Bowl” this week that featured the Patriots. Rodney Hampton talked about how BB conistantly practiced more than just plays, but situations. Things like “6 minutes left in the game, up by 5, 2nd and 5, what is the offense trying to accomplish.” The Pats played smart not because Belichik is smart, but because he could pass that knowledge he had to the players and have them be an extension of him. Did you ever feel that Kareem Jackson or Glover Quin were an extension of David Gibbs or Frank Bush in a postive way. No, they just lined up the way the play was drawn up, and played it the same no matter the quarter, down and distance, or scenerio. That’s a reflection on the coaching, not players.

by Drill Sarge on Apr 9, 2011 10:21 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

yea i understand all that

our players just seem to line up and play the D they where suppose to. you rarely see them check out of something. Unlike ray lewis who always seems to be talking to the whole D. I think Jackson and Quin could be great if they get the right coach, don’t know if Wade knows much about secondary and disguses cause dallas got ate up too. Wade seems to be a good coach with front seven just not sure about the backend.

by southpaw70 on Apr 10, 2011 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I will be banned for this....

but Fisher of the Titans did the same thing. The very reason the “Music City Miracle” happened. It wasn’t a miracle, it was a play rehearsed over and over in practice…..and it worked to perfection.

Just my $.02
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by txknight on Apr 11, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great read, Rivers... rec'd

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by DilloTex on Apr 9, 2011 10:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Super read, Rivers.......

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by buckaroo_banzai on Apr 10, 2011 8:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Echo In Here

Really enjoyed that read, Rivers. Great work.

Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Apr 10, 2011 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Williams is a very talented player, but he doesn't get a free pass for how terrible this defense is.

You more or less dismissed his biggest problem, which is that he goes entire games without registering a single tackle, much less a sack. He gets routinely stone-walled by top-shelf left tackles, and even though he has the right tools to be a multi-faceted pass-rusher, he seems content to settle for bull-rushing the vast majority of the time. There’s also the last issue: he’s not a team leader. It’s a scathing indictment on both Williams and Ryans that in 2009 when we’d brought in Antonio Smith, Bernard Pollard, and Brian Cushing, they immediately took over as team leaders and even produced on the field.

The last issue here is that the team is in a no-win situation with Williams. He’s a potentially dominant 4-3 end moving into a 3-4 in his contract year. If he’s awful, he walks with no compensation. If he’s great, we’re going to pay him Julius Peppers money to play a position at which the ceiling is Justin Smith. That’s a yearly disparity of $4-6 million.

Dream Texans Draft:
1. J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
2. Sam Acho, OLB, Texas
3. Sione Fua, NT, Stanford
4. Tyler Sash, S, Iowa
5. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
6. Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M
7. Chas Henry, P, Florida

by krkenney on Apr 10, 2011 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Those games you say he does not register a tackle

do you think teams may have ran away from him. not sticking up for him but there is more to it then we know. I agree this is going to be one hell of a year for him cause i mean if he comes in and records 18 sack season you have to pay the man. The whole leader thing has followed him all this time. Meco came and has been the leader of the D just like MLB is suppose to be. What other D lineman you see being the leader of a D?

by southpaw70 on Apr 10, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I will tell you what

seeing as you cannot Appreciate Williams I will send you Anthony Spencer for him…

Von Miller+Demarcus Ware+Jay Ratliff+Rob Ryan=Nightmare for Opposing OC's

by I am Ironman!!! on Apr 10, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dwight Freeney also routinely has far more sacks and is terrible against the run.

So… totally irrelevant.

Dream Texans Draft:
1. J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
2. Sam Acho, OLB, Texas
3. Sione Fua, NT, Stanford
4. Tyler Sash, S, Iowa
5. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
6. Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M
7. Chas Henry, P, Florida

by krkenney on Apr 10, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

question

Why is that irrelevant?

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 10, 2011 10:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why would you think it's relevant?

Not only is it an awful comparison as the two aren’t even similar players, what Freeney does has nothing to do with whether or not Williams’ only consistency is being wildly inconsistent and underachieving.

Dream Texans Draft:
1. J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
2. Sam Acho, OLB, Texas
3. Sione Fua, NT, Stanford
4. Tyler Sash, S, Iowa
5. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
6. Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M
7. Chas Henry, P, Florida

by krkenney on Apr 10, 2011 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Herp derp

Apparently you either can’t read or you tacitly admit I’m right by ignoring my response directly above yours. How is Freeney relevant to Williams?

Dream Texans Draft:
1. J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
2. Sam Acho, OLB, Texas
3. Sione Fua, NT, Stanford
4. Tyler Sash, S, Iowa
5. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
6. Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M
7. Chas Henry, P, Florida

by krkenney on Apr 10, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes! Exactly!

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 11, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

.......

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by peytonsurdaddy on Apr 11, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I LOL'd.

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by peytonsurdaddy on Apr 11, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

well last year we had

we had five captains on D with the big C on their jerseys.

by southpaw70 on Apr 10, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those changed due to injury

Teams can designate between 3 and 6 total captains across the 3 phrases of the game. Some teams do a minimum of 3, some change them weekly, and some do the entire season for their leadership “on the field, in the locker room, and off the field.”

For the Texans, pre-injuries, the leaders were Schaub, Johnson, Ryans, Pollard, Williams, and Bentley.

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by TexansDC on Apr 10, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yea but those where the defensive captains.

it was a big then cause all the guys where tied or something like that so they made them all captains.

by southpaw70 on Apr 11, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rivers laying the smackdown.

Bravo.

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by Jon Banks on Apr 10, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

What?

No “smackdown” was laid. Jus s bunch of bald-faced lies and misinformation under a thinly-veiled tone of condescension as I’ve been the only person to call him out on the fact that his entire post has the slant and substance of a Pancakes article.

Dream Texans Draft:
1. J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
2. Sam Acho, OLB, Texas
3. Sione Fua, NT, Stanford
4. Tyler Sash, S, Iowa
5. Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
6. Jerrod Johnson, QB, Texas A&M
7. Chas Henry, P, Florida

by krkenney on Apr 10, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

He mad.

If you think of yourselves as helpless and ineffectual, it is certain that you will create a despotic government to be your master. The wise despot, therefore, maintains among his subjects a popular sense that they are helpless and ineffectual.
-Frank Herbert, The Dosadi Experiment

by peytonsurdaddy on Apr 11, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where did Rivers lie?

Everything he mentioned was something that can be backed up with knowledge and facts. And maybe the reason you are the only one to call out Rivers for his “slant” is because you’re the only one that has this grudge against Mario for not being an impact player on 100% of all defensive snaps. And, I’m sorry to break this to you, but that’s not how things work.

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by Jon Banks on Apr 11, 2011 2:51 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're entitled to your opinion of his rebuttal to you

But there is about a million light years’ difference between Rivers’s writing (and analytical ability) and that of Pancakes.

Also, your dream Texans draft is a joke. Seven rounds and no TE? Lol.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 11, 2011 5:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

The McClains don't know how to grow potatoes, either

And, the McCowns know how to shoe horses….

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 11, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

or is that "shod"

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on Apr 11, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's past tense.

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by UprootedTexan on Apr 11, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

So

Should have been:

The McClains didn’t know how the grow potatoes and the McCowns knew how to shod a horse." Okay, got it.

I don’t think this feud will ever end until one day the disputing parties meet up somewhere outside a locker room or somewhere where there are referees available to either pull them apart or flag them for illegal use of the hands….

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 11, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dammit, TGC...

Everything cool rivers just said… you ruined it, ok?

For the love of fuck, can people stop the TE comments??

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by beefy on Apr 13, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with Rip

I do not think that happens a lot :)

While Mario may not be “the best DE in football” he definitely is one of the best/ OCs around the league would concur. His article was one of the best about Mario I have seen. Not blindly “he’s the best evar!” nor was it a bashing.

Truth is – what other first round choice that year would have been better for the Texans? I don’t see one out there.

If Rivers would have wanted to sound like pancakes he ould imply without saying that he knows every thought of the Texans FO.

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by Barryfromtexas on Apr 11, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Barry, you secretly follow every word I write

But, that’s okay if you can’t admit to it. As bfd has stated, my fee-fees have grown to be toughened up.

Now, please pass the Jergens lotion….

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 11, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is funny!

I don’t care who you are!

My name is Barry - I am from Texas

by Barryfromtexas on Apr 11, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

......

If you think of yourselves as helpless and ineffectual, it is certain that you will create a despotic government to be your master. The wise despot, therefore, maintains among his subjects a popular sense that they are helpless and ineffectual.
-Frank Herbert, The Dosadi Experiment

by peytonsurdaddy on Apr 11, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said "tinged" as opposed to saying "overtly"

because, generally, the masses don’t always appreciate any kind of over-the-top homerism. So, if I were to call it that, the masses would have attacked me by saying that. If you want, you can call it whatever you want. I’ll just sit here and read….

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 12, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Well said

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Apr 10, 2011 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent article.

If you think of yourselves as helpless and ineffectual, it is certain that you will create a despotic government to be your master. The wise despot, therefore, maintains among his subjects a popular sense that they are helpless and ineffectual.
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by peytonsurdaddy on Apr 10, 2011 10:55 AM CDT reply actions  

amazing read!

All I want is a winning team and I think mario can be a part of it! unfortunately we are still left wanting with the lack of initiative the FO has when going after free agents, and trades. Our offense is finally all working together we have a top tier QB and WR and with Ben Tate returning our Three RBs are damn good. We have used soo many first day draft picks on Defense and no luck in having a competent D… I believe it is a mixture of Coaching and player talent. We have gotten more production out of fourth and fifth round picks than a lot of our first and second round picks… weird huh?

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by Taco Joe on Apr 10, 2011 5:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Another pet peeve...

Some of you guys are really wringing them out of me.

I’d really like to kill the assumption that the FO flat out doesn’t try to sign free agents or make trades. Does anyone here work for the Texans FO?? Are you notified when a contract offer/inquiry is made?? If so, please enlighten the rest of us on the daily workings of Rick Smith… (crickets?)
Is it not pretty common for our FO to be secretive or even misleading about who they’re interested in? If so, how are we to believe each and every free agent or trade they’re pursuing would be public knowledge, brought forth from the tongue and fingers of John McClain??

Nothing personal, Joe, but the camel’s back and toe are broken.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Apr 13, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just because the Charles Woodsons and Julius Peppers don't sign with us...

Doesn’t mean Rick’s not trying to cut deals. The free agent has a say in it too, which I assume people are overlooking.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Apr 14, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The only thing missing from what Rivers wrote is what would come from having a winning team

We can marvel at a players accomplishments on the field, but if they don’t come with reminiscent stories of championships won, then there is a bit of a hollow feeling about it. Unfortunately, for the Mario’s and Andre’s of the Texans, the blood, sweat, and tears aren’t mixed with stories of holding trophies over their heads. And, that’s the naked truth about Mario and Andre….

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 11, 2011 8:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't get me wrong but here i go again.

What team has their 4th string wr on nfl network? Dude is great speaker and funny guy but c’mon now. Is this the reason we keep him on the team?
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/State-of-the-Franchise-Texans/76747ff3-9605-4ff2-9d26-22155bf11b36

by southpaw70 on Apr 11, 2011 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

What are you saying? Just say it, dude.

Why do you say something, with a veiled meaning, but step back from saying it? Be yourself and say it!

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 11, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

trust me i am myself everyday of my life.

i love this team just like eveybody else and i hope race really is not a issue and i am just looking to much into things. Now that is what i hope. With that said you really really think we want to hear from a guy who does not play as much? Let me say this also in 2008 david was a free agent you know what other receivers we could have went after? bernard berrian or malcom floyd.

by southpaw70 on Apr 11, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have ever thought that yes, DA might be more interesting to listen to?

He might just have a better chance at continuing in football as an analyst than he does as a player. He definitely is borderline NFL talent, no doubt. But, he does have talent to entertain and make people laugh.

Looks like to me, he’s setting himself up for a second career with that panel discussion.

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 11, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

In fact, I'll go as far as to predict DA will get cut this year

Why, because the handwriting is on the wall with Dorin Dickerson. DD played almost half the season last year on STs and finally got in with the Offense for an out-of-bounds catch in the waning minutes of the final game. DD is bigger, faster, and has great hands. DA better start planning for life out of uniform.

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 11, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

check this out if jacoby gets cut before DA

i might be onto something you think? granted jacoby is not great but still i would like him in with his speed and all.

by southpaw70 on Apr 11, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is that your prediction? Jacoby gets cut and not DA?

I’d be interested to see what others think about that.

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 11, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know. I don't think of anyone here on those terms.

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 11, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I'm glad you're here and I'm glad to hear your opinion

However, I don’t think the decisions made by the Texans are based on skin color, ever.

Regarding Malcom Floyd and DA. They are two completely different type of WRs. Floyd is 6’-5" tall. DA is what, 5’-10"? They are WRs but they are not interchangeable.

Berrian signed a UFA contract for 6 years at $42 million. DAs contract isn’t in the same league as that contract. From a value standpoint, Berrian’s contract is #2 level money. I would say, while the Texans were carrying AJ, Andre Davis and Kevin Walter, they weren’t going to be going out and signing Berrian for that much dollar. Doesn’t matter what color of skin he had.

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 11, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is true

and i am glad to be here too considering this is the only way i get info since i am in san antonio where these mother fuckers love the cowboys and spurs. i guess i just see stuff different then other i mean if you have a chance to upgrade postions you should especilly if you doing it through free agency.

by southpaw70 on Apr 11, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

San Antonio, Looseiana, Houston...

That info is available anywhere they have internet. I didn’t listen to FoxSports 26 to get that info.

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 11, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

o i know its on the internet

i am talking about you guys on BRB make it fun.

by southpaw70 on Apr 11, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

nobody else here seems to think DA is going anywhere.

we all say if we get julio jones then jj will be gone why?

by southpaw70 on Apr 11, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think I have seen that connotation before

Julio in Jacoby gone. I know a lot think Jacoby’s drops are a problem and want him gone because of that. But, most always come back to how dangerous he is in a good way and realize you can’t just toss away a player who threatens to score whenever he gets the ball. I think its more of a nervousness about what will happen. Will he do something spectacular or will he turn it over. I think sometimes you just want a guy that will no turn it over. But, its a balancing act that Jacoby is playing with his lack of ball security and his explosiveness.

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 11, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

It seems like the ppl who wanted julio

was saying jacoby is gone we don’t need him then. I understand what you saying about him being a threat and a problem. I would love to keep him on the team if we still got julio can you see us four wide with AJ,K-dub,Julio,jacoby that would be scary. Anyways that is not going happen cause we going D first round.

by southpaw70 on Apr 11, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

A team whose #1 WR, QB, and DE...

All happen to give the most boring interviews humanly possible.

If anything, it aught to be Arian Foster doing this stuff.

by Nashmeister on Apr 11, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I heard that vonta is the funny guy and would have love to see more interviews from him.

So you say our team is boring pretty much we are the spurs of the nfl without the championships. C’mon man any time we get a interview on espn or nfl network i am excited to hear from those players.

by southpaw70 on Apr 11, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

DA is Solid, deserves to be on the team for the role he plays.

Also, I am sure that appearing on the NFL network is a NFL Network and DA decision and not an NFL Network and Texans FO decision.

But I do agree with your conspiracy theory that Rick Smith will one day wipe the shoe polish off Arian Foster’s face and usher in a race war that will turn the world on it’s head. (Can’t figure out how to use the sarcasm font here…)

by WhiskeyR on Apr 11, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha!

…And then Foster will wash the layer of whiteface off to further shock society.

Anyone remember Franco Harris? The italian FB with black legs? Nobody cared. Really.

Southpaw is not joking, you know. He actually thinks David Anderson doesn’t have a place in the NFL because he’s from Colorado St. All buffaloes should be offended….

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 11, 2011 1:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Rams.

Colorado State is the Rams. Buffaloes are U of Colorado.

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by UprootedTexan on Apr 11, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

i never said he should not be in the nfl

i just said we could find somebody else out there to take his spot who actully can help the team. I know somebody said that he has recoverd alot of our onsides kicks and stuff like that but really is that why we keep this guy on the roster and pay him millions? when the RB is getting less then that.

by southpaw70 on Apr 11, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, why is that?

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 11, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going to say, look at things how you want

but, the Houston Texans is a business. There are dollars and cents behind every single decision they make. Those dollars and cents are balanced with performance, character, past bad decisions, future needs, and on and on. I don’t think skin color plays in on making a buck for Bob McNair. Imagine if that was a criteria for any hiring the Texans made at any level. What would happen if that news became public knowledge and you know, it would. And, it hasn’t. I think the Texans are a squeaky clean organization when it comes to hiring practices. The media maelstrom that would happen if it got out that they hired players based on skin color would be insurmountable. Bob McNair would have to sell the team.

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by Rip Jersey on Apr 11, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

you right

i look to much into it and don’t know the day and day operations.

by southpaw70 on Apr 11, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wish I could rec this more than once.

Great read. For those who want to hate, there are a lot better targets on this team than #90.

by JBal on Apr 11, 2011 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Fantastic post...

I remember watching that draft at a bar thinking they should’ve drafted Bush. I was way wrong, and Williams turned out to be the right pick. Hopefully Wade has him rushing the QB like he had Ware doing.

"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler

by selke99 on Apr 30, 2011 9:24 PM CDT reply actions  

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