Texans 2011 NFL Free Agency Targets: Free/Strong Safety
Continuing with the theme of potential free agent targets for the 2011 Texans, today we dive into players at both safety positions. It is a pretty weak year for safeties as far as available free agents go, and it has become pretty much an afterthought since Glover Quin will be moving to free safety in 2011. In fact, have you heard that McClain thinks he will be a future Pro Bowler at the position? If not, he's telling anyone who will listen. With Wade's system being said to need "twins" at the safety position, we'll look at both free and strong safeties that are available when/if free agency ever lifts off.
Eric Weddle (SD) - Probably about as close to a marquee player as is available at the position. He is going to get a hefty contract after last season, and San Diego signed Bob Sanders on the cheap instead of paying him. Will Bob McNair be willing to open the checkbook for Weddle? He might be worth it, but how much is too much to tie up in the position?
Danieal Manning (CHI) - Not only did he have a very solid season at the position last year, but he returned kicks impressively as well. Two birds, one stone. I wouldn't be surprised to see Houston give him a call.
Michael Huff (OAK) - After a pretty slow start, Huff had a solid 2011 and is going to get paid for it. This one would also satisfy the UT homers' thirst for a hometown kid as well. He's only 28 and is hitting his peak as a player. Would be an incredible get. Again, it will come down to dollars, as I am sure Houston will be only one of several teams interested in his services.
Dawan Landry (BAL) - The knock on Landry was that he couldn't cover, but was excellent against the run. His coverage was vastly improved in 2010 and should have him on the teams radar. Could be an affordable option.
Quintin Mikell (Eagles) - Another guy who is in line for a big payday and will likely get it. Pro Bowler who is great against the run and in coverage. You don't hear too much about him; he is as solid as it comes, but he is on the wrong side of 30.
Donte Whitner (BUF) - Whitner is very good against the run, but has struggled in coverage for much of his career. While he did improve in 2010, I'm not sure that he fits Wade's vision.
Gerald Sensabaugh (DAL) - A very solid player and one of the few defensive backs that had a good year for the Cowboys in 2010. I could see him being brought in for a visit and dinner, though I feel he will ultimately resign with Dallas. Just an opinion.
Dashon Goldson (SF) - A close friend of mine who is a Niners fan tells me that Goldson is a solid player that just can't stay healthy, which could make him an affordable option if none of the above listed guys work out.
Some other names to look out for are Tom Zbikowski (BAL), Brodney Poole (NYJ), Roman Harper (NO) and Atari Bigby (GB).
Any of these guys float your boat? Other than Huff or Weddle, who will cost a pretty penny, there is no one guy that makes me think he should be priority number one when free agency begins. However, a safety combo of Quin and Troy Nolan doesn't exactly make me ooze with confidence either. And if Shiloh Keo is in the running to be a starter, well, then, we have much bigger problems.
Of the above listed guys, who would you like to see your Texans make a run at when this lockout garbage comes to a halt? Got someone in mind that I missed? Name him in the comments below.
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It would be nice if you could deal Slaton and Okoye plus cash and get Huff and Nnamdi
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
Yeah but Moneybags McNair has lots of that.....
Parting with it is the problem…..
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
I think we have to pay someone
to take them – plus whatever we need for a player
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 10, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
the problem is that we have no idea what the salary cap will be. What the rules for free agency will be, etc.
It’s hard to come with a plan on how to spend available resources when you don’t know what the rules will be. I would love Namdi and Huff, but if we have to pay so much that we can’t afford guys like Mario, Quinn, Duane Brown next year we might just be fixing holes by creating new ones.
I think Huff/Weddle/other quality safety plus one of the other decent CB options is probably a better move financially and from a football standpoint. Filling two weak spots with good players is better than filling one weak spot with a great player while ignoring other gaping holes IMO.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
SO youre saying stay away from the marquee CB that will cost the farm
and invest in a solid CB (Josh Wilson) and spend on a top of the line S? Im with that thinking, because I do not want to see a scenario where Kubes is out next year and the team is left in a crappy financial situation bc he threw the checkbook at Nnamdi thinkin it was his ticket to stickin around.
"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\"
-mitmil22
by theSpaceCityKid on May 11, 2011 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions
top of the line safety is going to cost less than top of the line CB
So yes, I would rather fix two holes than one.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
by papabear on May 11, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Josh Wilson would be best suited to play a role as a Nickel Corner or even a rangy coverage safety ala Bob Sanders.
When he was with us (Seahawks) I really wanted us to slide him over to safety. Can’t complain though, given the addition of Earl Thomas.
Been a while since I’ve popped in, but wanted to say hello and see how things are shaking down south. And I apologize ahead of time, my posts almost always run a tad long…
Up north we’re perusing the same lists of safeties— we have Earl of course (my all time favorite Longhorn already) and we drafted a kid, Appalachian State safety Mark LeGree that has some crazy ball hawking skills (22 INT’s tops in all the upper two NCAA divisions), but a lack of historical success against higher level talent…. well… minus that one game vs Michigan everyone remembers, heheh.
LeGree is in the Earl Thomas mode, but not as athletic. However, I see the Hawks going toward two versatile coverage safeties frequently, and then bringing thunder part of the time too. I also think this might be a league trend as more teams are moving to frequent Bandit/Nickel packages, so you may see more of a shift toward smaller quicker safeties, at least in passing downs.
Our “thunder” would come with a big “Pollard-esque” in-the-box-run-stuffing safety, a 2nd year kid (Cam Chancellor, 6’3" 232) who “studied under” Lawyer Milloy last year. “Studied under” of course being a euphemism for when you aren’t quite good enough to beat out a 37 year old borderline HoF’er on his last legs.
Regardless, in the current pass-happy offensively built (and rule protected) NFL I have my doubts there are more than 15 “big” safeties in the league that should be three down players without being a serious liability in pure passing situations, hence my thoughts on the smaller quicker tandem formula the Hawks are likely to employ becoming more common very soon.
Bottom line in Seattle, lots of unproven there, with 22 year old Earl Thomas the “gritty veteran” of the unit… but back to your Texans.
Is Pollard back for you guys? If so, I assume you’ll definitely want someone better in coverage to pair with him. Sadly, I don’t see the type of classic “deep rover” on your list that makes up for Pollard’s… limitations in coverage. (And I say that loving Pollard, but you take the bad with the good.) All those guys listed, from my understanding, are somewhat similar to Pollard— banger-types who are better on a safety blitz than in a 1deep zone. Which brings me back to Wilson…
Wilson is not a great coverage corner. His big plays come from zone defense and ball hawking. In a man up situation he has a tendency to get beat and try to use his amazing closing speed to make up for it. But he can still be a great and valuable member of a secondary. I just wouldn’t trust him as a pure corner.
I think the best thing he could do for his career is to slide over to Free Safety. He could be an ideal tandem with a guy like Pollard, letting Pollard range closer to the line and putting him in a deep zone scenario. I know he’s a little undersized for safety, but I want to see you guys get into the damn playoffs (you are my AFC Team afterall), and he might just be the cheapest option of the bunch, given the upside factor. He also hits very hard for his size, which is part of the Bob Sanders comparison.
Tandem a Wilson and Huff signing (for the homers— but again, Huff has improved and does have great speed) with an in-the-box basher like Pollard and you might just have something there… plus bonus, if either Huff or Wilson falter you can slide the other into a more prominent role, plus if you do have injuries, you can move Wilson to a pure corner spot if needed— even though I just don’t think he’ll be highly successful in the role.
Of course, you still need another coverage corner in that scenario, but judging what I’ve seen of your secondary the past few years, that’s not really new news. And you would actually have some serviceable NFL capable depth in the secondary— even if you have to pay a little for it.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 12, 2011 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
An analogy-- Josh Wilson is a perfect 3rd CB.
In baseball terms… Wilson would be the best 4th outfielder in MLB, and be perfect in that role. But as a 3rd outfielder playing everyday, you’d see his limitations. Same with him as a starting CB.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 12, 2011 2:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay...
So I just read that Pollard is gone. My fault.
Still, most of what I said still applies.
Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 12, 2011 2:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Whiskey Chainsaw sighting!
How are things in 7-9 division champion land?
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Strange, man. Strange.
Saw a comment by someone yesterday that said it was technically mathematically possible for us to win the division next year with a 4 or 5 win season. Given our schedule, that might be the only chance we have….
I like the direction we went in the draft though. Somehow despite going from a top5 offense to a bottom 5 after losing two HoF offensive linemen, we avoided drafting an OL in the first 3 rounds from 2006 until last year. Very smart, and now 2 head coaches and a GM are gone in a large part because of the oversight.
So last year we picked up Okung and this year a 1st round RT and a RG in the third round. Word on the street is we’re going to sign Robert Gallery (Tom Cable helps with that— he “saved” Gallery’s career by moving him to LG) and become a power rushing team. I’m just excited to finally have an OL again. Now, when the inevitable Matt Hasselbeck signing occurs and he sucks yet again, his fanboys will have to acknowledge that when the ENTIRE GOD DAMN OFFENSE HAS BEEN REBUILT that it JUST MIGHT be the gawd damn quarterback who is the issue.
That being said, people are pissed we grabbed Carpenter in the 1st— they wanted Jimmy Smith. And I initially was like, “WHO?!?!?” But the more I read about him, the more I like him. He’s gonna be a player for us for a long time.
Of course Mel Kiper and the like panned us. But that’s mainly because despite needing a QB, we didn’t overdraft a crappy one who a pundit loved by 2-4 rounds like Minnesota and Cincy. And then we took a guy in the 1st who wasn’t a big name early despite quietly moving up some of the better of the “experts” mocks in the last weeks before the draft— and absolutely moving up team lists.
People are idiots. They think because Hairdo says a guy is a 2nd rounder that we could just magically trade down and draft him then. Well, it doesn’t work like that. For one thing, there were 2 tackles taken in the next 5 picks after us, and two other teams that would have taken one of the three had they fallen. And we took the one the staff wanted and believed in. Not really sure why that’s grounds to bitch…. well… other than people being idiots.
We’ve got an offensive line with two 1st rounders, and an early 3rd added in the last 2 years. I love the philosophy. Fix the line, let it jell, then even if we suck next year, we finally get our young franchise QB in the draft. Plus, by fixing the line first, we don’t run the risk of scarring him for life by taking him before building the line. (No offense to you guys, but David Carr is the league-wide poster child for a QB who was put into the fire too soon and got consumed.)
We’ll be young, we’ll be trying to compete, and we’ll probably be picking in the top 10 next year. It may not be pretty this year, but 2-3 years from now, I’m optimistic we’ll be looking good in dynasty mode.
But then again, it is the NFC West. StL is still a bunch of Lambs, and the Cardinals had a moment in the sun but not that’s set. SF scares me without Singletary there to muck things up. They could be ready to make a leap. But, it’s still an Alex Smith led team as far as I can tell. In my eyes, that pretty much means we still have a chance to repeat as 7-9 champs.
Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 12, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Awesome summary
It’s folks like you that had me rooting for Seattle last year, even with Shady Pete at the helm.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
I like "Shady Pete" hahah.
Besides, compared to Lane Kiffen, Pete is a saint. I really don’t like or trust Lane. He’s so dirty, John Calipari and Jim Harrick shake their heads in disgust at how bad big time college football is.
It seems like Pete’s gone about rebuilding the team the right way, for the most part. I’m really pleased he didn’t reach for a crappy QB in the draft, and addressed the OL big time. It’s just really nice to actually feel like we have a plan. I haven’t felt like that since the early years of the Holmgren era.
Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 13, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Really?
I’m actually more concerned about the Rams than any of the other teams in the division. Bradford’s going to have a year under his belt, both Avery and Clayton should be back for him to throw to, and their defense is nothing to sneeze at.
It should be an interesting year next year, assuming there is one.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 13, 2011 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I can see it, but I still disagree.
I lean hard toward San Fran. Both teams have young talent on both sides of the ball, but StL is merely maturing another year. San Fran is maturing, plus they can get an immediate improvement due to the coaching change.
And I still think they are the more talented team top to bottom.
Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 13, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
/fixed
“David Carr is the league-wide poster child for a QB who was put into the fire too soon unwilling to do the study and film-work necessary to be able to read a defense and got consumed.”
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Fair enough.
Perhaps both counts?
I know the rest of the league sees him as shell shocked. Are we all off there and it was merely his work effort that was at fault?
Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 13, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I blame his dad for not putting in the effort
I mean, how could David do well if his dad missed one practice?
Yes, WC. Carr’s daddy did in fact attend the practices and bring his son some orange slices and Capri-sun. Or maybe just the first part.
And in regards to what Dillo said, it was well known here in Houston that Carr made up for getting to practice late each day by making sure he left early.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Wow.
Strange how that info never went league wide.
But what’s wrong with bringing your parents along for the ride? It worked incredibly well for Josh Hamilton, after all.
Really, Capri Sun?
MMmmmmmmmmmm. I love Capri Sun.
Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 13, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
We didn't do him any favors early on
….but that was at least a little bit expected from a franchise team. After he left the floodgates opened about how Carr was the first to leave the facility after practice. No extra film work. David Anderson, one of our WR’s, made some very thinly veiled (read transparent) remarks about his work ethic and attitude.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
Sounds like the saying about luck.
“Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.”
Only, like, the opposite.
David Carr was a grinder, is what you're telling me.
Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 13, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Great Hearing From You Again, WC
Don’t be a stranger.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
Will try to pop in from time to time.
You’re my 2nd favorite team, and far and away my 2nd favorite SB Nation site (at least at the NFL level.)
Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 12, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
WE'RE #2
in more ways than one
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
by papabear on May 12, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hopefully next year you can be #1
in more ways than two.
Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 13, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Rec'ed solely for bringing up App state beating Michigan
I’m sure there is least one person here who took a double shot of bleach after seeing that….if he actually bothers to even drop by anymore
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
That sounds like a tasty old reference there... wish I knew the history.
Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 12, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
There's a huge Michigan fan around here
Texans fans quit drinking the Kool-Aid years ago and switched straight to bleach.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
Hahah.
Nice.
After last year’s cynicism on my part (I actually wanted us to lose in week 17 and get the 8th pick in the draft instead of going to the playoffs— hastening… forcing even… the rebuilding that is needed) .
I personally recently started sipping the Pete Carroll kool-aid after he drafted to rebuild the OL, and it tastes great!
Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 12, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Goo'd just to encourage WC to come back more frequently...
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
That's Too One-Sided
The Texans would have to throw another couple of bags of flaming dog excrement in there to really pique any interest.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
I love the assumption that it's easy to swindle the Raiders
because Al Davis is senile. Even Al isn’t senile enough to take Amobi.
somebody just needs to CGI a video of Amobi running a 4.2 forty and the crypt keeper will give his all his draft picks for the next two years
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
by papabear on May 10, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We can rebuild him....Faster... Stronger....
All we need is six million dollars …. man…
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
by TEXSON on May 10, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You should see the love that Okoye is getting on the Panthers blog
It’s insane, you’d swear they thought he was capable of Suh-type disruption with just some good coaching and a change of scenery.
Scarier than that though, they might almost be right! Almost. lol
Panther's blog?
How’d you end up on their blog? LOL
A six-pack of Zima and a girl(?) of questionable reputation...
…I’m bettin’
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
She's really cute if you look past her incredibly strong hands...
and her strangely large adam’s apple.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 12, 2011 2:45 AM CDT up reply actions
That's funny...
That Seinfeld episode with the girl with the “Man Hands” always cracks me up. I dated a girl (yes I’m sure…) several years before I got married that was extremely attractive except she had these catcher’s mitts for hands… Just couldn’t stop obsessing over it… gave up.
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
I know a girl like that too
SCARY as hell. Freaks me out.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
I had a girl a long time ago like that I was in love with...wanted to marry her.
She was 6’2" with long arms and huge hands— she could palm a men’s basketball and although she couldn’t dunk she could break the rim away. But she was also actually super hot… and her brother was 6’5" and could jump out of a gym.
First, I’m 6’4" and an ex college hoopster so her size wasn’t an issue. But the potential genes we could throw together… dayum! We’re talking NBA babies here— or at least D1 starters.
Alas, she was more interested in my cute younger sister than me… but despite being an outside hitter in college, the sis wasn’t that outside of a hitter.
Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 12, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Hahah.
I actually have a couple… met her in Germany, we were coaching basketball camps together in around ‘95. But that’s pre-digital age and I’m waaaaaay too lazy to start scanning all those.
As for the hands, she was also a massage therapist. Imagine having an attractive girl massage you with man-hands. There are SOME benefits to the man-hands!
Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 12, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I do love tall hot chicks
Man hands is easier to handle on a girl when everything is proportion too.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
When reading the recent Amobi article, it was one of the associated SB Nation pieces
SO IT’S NOT MY FAULT!!!
lol
Put yourselves in there shoes
If there was an athletic interior lineman out there who was a former first round draft pick, had shown some ability to at least pressure the QB while playing on a bad team that has a reputation for not getting the most our of their players, and was only 23 years old we would probably all be going apeshit about the chance to get him for cheap too.
I’m not saying he shouldn’t be moved or that he finds a home in Wade’s defense. I’m just saying I completely understand why other teams fans would be excited about signing him.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
Al Davis has spanked the Texans in trade deals...
P-Burnt anyone?
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Maybe Some of that TE Surplus they be holdin??
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
Wow.
Nicer than your usual line when Amobi is involved.
by DisplacedTexan on May 10, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe he would fall for 5'7" return man from LSU?
We could throw in some band aids….and maybe a cameo in a band aid commercial..
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
I'd trade him for Jacoby Ford straight up
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 11, 2011 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Flaming dog excrement could help the Raiders boost their 40 times
Bad example.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on May 10, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't see anyone trading for a RB
They are too easy to replace with late round and FA talent.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
But since they are both FA no chance hunh?
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
Hey If we get Al Davis ( the Incredible Melting Man) some more band aids....
Do you think that would help?
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
I would go after Weddle HARD
I don’t know how much would be too much, and it’s really impossible to figure that out until the CBA is settled. I’d be willing to “overpay” a little for a guy like Weddle. I wanted Weddle in the draft and still would love to see him in a Texans uniform. Huff, Manning, Landry, and Mikel would all be fine by me as well. Although I would prefer the younger guys to Mikel solely because I think if the Texans devote resources to safety it will be another 10 years before they do it again. I would feel much more comfortable with Quinn moving to Safety if he has a successful veteran mentor to learn from.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
my profile pic has that affect on me
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
by papabear on May 10, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brown Chicken, Brown Cow...
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Weddle would be a home run
And he is young. I also wouldnt mind brodney pool, as the two of us had quite the bit of fun in college. If we signed him I might pass out from too much joy!!!
by AllenOU on May 10, 2011 2:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I also know
Adrian peterson, dan Cody, and mike kerns.
Those are three superstars right there. I guess I’m BAP’d!
by AllenOU on May 10, 2011 4:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
How long were you in Oklahoma?
Are there even enough people in Broken Arrow to have a PD?
by Vince Stros on May 11, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
3 deputies and one bullet...
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Broken Arrow is like a gleaming metropolis
compared to most of that state
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
Like, for example...Oklahoma City.
What a waste of concrete.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 12, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't speak that city's name.
In fact, I almost felt dirty up above when I used the word thunder a couple times.
I used to miss the NBA. But, I used to listen to drink cheap beer, listen to MC Hammer and I had a mullet for a long time, so my tastes have done nothing but improve with time.
Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 12, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I know what you mean, entirely.
But I still hold out some hope that someday Stern will pull his head out of his ass for air long enough to realize how he’s driven that league into the ground.
In the meantime, I’ll just sit and enjoy a Red Hook as I watch the NBA burn in yet another lockout.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 12, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
The sad thing is I really like the Thunders team
Of course, Durant has a big part in that, but it sucks to have your team taken from you and then see them get good. I can sympathize. It was the same way when the oilers left. You could see that they had a chance to be a pretty damn good team and having to see them in the Super Bowl was just brutal. I couldn’t stand to see Beelzebud win the big one, but I still had an attachment to some of the players on the team. It was impossible not to think that used to be MY team.
…awww crap. Excuse me. I’m going to lock the door to my office and turn out the lights so I can curl up in the fetal position in the corner and drink a gallon of bleach while I try to cry myself to sleep.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
But...
You have your team back. And as an added bonus, the Titans never got over the hump and are kinda a mess right now, squandering some great talent and opportunity the past few years.
In the current NBA, the team that shall not be named is still on the way up, and could be for a long time.
To hell with them. Look, I was a college basketball player, coached 10 years of high school ball and at 35 still play City League (and my knees HATE me for it). But I haven’t seen an NBA game since we were robbed. And I wont. People tell me the NBA is better than ever, that the playoffs and the game in general are thriving. I just tell them, without the Sonics, there is no NBA.
But The best part is eventually Stern/the NBA will want the market back. And he’ll give us an expansion team, or some other historically crappy team that plays like one— Milwaukee or Charlotte or Memphis or some such. And then he’ll be like, “You should be happy, you have the Sonics back.”
Even though our NBA Championship and record book reside in Oklahoma City. With one of the top 5 players in the NBA. But hey, take this crap franchise (from another fan base that is feeling what you felt) and be happy with it.
Naw. I’m done with them until David Stern is out of the league. And that might not be enough. I might wait until Stern, Clayton Bennett and Howard Stern all die as well.
Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 13, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Brick Town doesn't suck
The RedHawk’s ball park and Mickey Mantle’s steak house are pretty awesome.
Blind fandom is all I got left. That and this bottle of Clorox. And this Drano. And this lamp. And this paddle ball game.
of course you are
I wouldn’t be as against it in this case as much as I usually am though.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
Hyeah... that's key... rec'd
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Really any of these guys would help
I will be surprised to see a serious offer on any of them
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
By that are you saying that you predict that we will not sign a FA safety
and go to bat with Glover, Troy & Shiloh? I think if for no other reason than to provide a little depth we have to sign another safety. We have quantity if not quality at CB at least, but not at safety (unless future street FA’s count). The Texans are long overdue in addressing the lack of quality at safety. I believe that Wade will provide the impetus to fix this.
It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are due to get to the big dance...Go Texans!!!!!
by oiler-texan diehard on May 11, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I find that approach inadequate
Is our front 7 good enough to cover for a weak back end? No. We need help at CB & safety.
It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are due to get to the big dance...Go Texans!!!!!
by oiler-texan diehard on May 12, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
We probably won’t go that hard after any of them. Somewhere out there there’s a mediocre safety we’ve never heard of that Rick Smith is about to make very rich.
Needs more nose tackle.
Or a guy that can't make the Browns practice squad
and we make him a day 1 starter for the league minimum.
Are there any overlooked UFA who could support at Safety and give effective support...
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
Weddle, Huff, Manning and Mikell would be my order of pursuit
Whitner smells like Pollard all over again. Sensabaugh won’t sign to an in-state rival and the Cowgirls will cough up money for him. Signing an injury riddled Goldson is taking a step backwards and we might as well play Keo/Quin then.
Whitner is a completely different player.
He’s been miscast at strong safety throughout his career; this is a former first-rounder with 4.40 speed. He gets bullied when he has to turn around and run with big TEs, but if you’re looking for a guy to split deep zone coverage, he has all the attributes for that. The year he became a starter in Buffalo, they allowed just two passes of 40+ yards on the season. They’ve been near tops in the league in that category every year so far, despite cycling through free safeties and CBs and never having a pass-rush. Meanwhile, we ranked dead last in the league by a wide margin last year. If you’re looking for twin safeties, Whitner can absolute be one of ’em.
Gimme Whitner + Huff, and keep Quin at CB. The two of ’em combined will make less than Asomugha and give us some serious speed in center field.
Thanks for the insight
I still don’t think we’ll go 2 S in FA but more likely a CB and a S.
Some Servicable players out there
I wouldn’t mind Quintin Mikell, at least he could be servicable for a few years and hopefully we could draft someone in the future to groom (next years class is not bad). He’s pretty good in the box and is above average for SS in coverage. Also wouldn’t mind pickin up Bigby if we could get him for relatively cheap (assuming we could since he’s been oft injured) I’d say go for it. Bigby brings the woooood!
signing a vet to be serviceable is what has got us in this situation
Wilson, Demps, etc. I think Mikell is better than Demps or Wilson, but he’s closer to that age where his play could suddenly drop off dramatically a la Eugene Wilson
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
Yeah but
Yeah but I’d say Mikell is better than those two. He still has a few years of being servicable, he’s not far removed from being a Pro-Bowl player and All-Pro. Is he 26 about to hit his peak? Absolutely not, but he’s a definite upgrade over everything we have. We picked up Demps off the street, and no one was ever excited about Wilson.
I completely agree with him being in a whole other class of player
Still, if we’re talking what would I prefer in fantasy land where I get what I want…I go with one of the younger guys
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
Don't count out Weddle
As we continue to strive for the whitest defense in the NFL…not being racist but we have an unordinate amount of white dudes on the roster.
by texan80 on May 10, 2011 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
/southpawed
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 10, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you trying to say white guys can't play CB?
sorry…can’t help myself
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
Does Innegan count?
No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.
that depends
when he gets his ass whooped thats the white side, but when he goes to the pro bowl for doing nothing is his black side.
racist
/southpaw’d^2
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
by DilloTex on May 10, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
TWSS
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on May 11, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love this for some perverse reason... Thanks Hydro...
… we agree on somethin! HooHoo!!!!
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Nopee. Not one to my knowledge
by Carter Liles on May 10, 2011 8:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think were looking hard enough
There are 200 or so corners in the leauge… One HAS to be white!
by Carter Liles on May 10, 2011 8:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's it
I’m demanding the Southpaw rule be implemented in the new CBA. Every team must have at least one white CB on their training camp roster. That’s the only way we’re going to end this discrimination.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
by papabear on May 11, 2011 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, I'm thinking that the percentages of players...
…need to be equally distributed with the population overall. Hispanic-Americans are drastically under-represented as well as Left-Handed Latvian Transvestites with learning disabilities…
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
by DilloTex on May 11, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
You had me with....
Left-Handed Latvian Transvestites
with learning disabilities put it over the top. Now I gotta clean the Dr. Pepper off my monitor.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Used to be you could answer with Jason Sehorn
But not any more.
Hell, even if you expand it to safeties there aren’t that many. Archuleta is done, I think. Zbikowski and Leonhard?
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by riversmccown on May 11, 2011 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
They're safeties, not CB
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 11, 2011 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Never mind
White boys are hard to find in the secondary
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 11, 2011 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions
but yet alot of people want Weddle here.
he might be good from his stats and all, but not too sure i want him. I can’t believe you guy forgot about Busing really.
weddle has been peightaun's bane
I am Sancho
by HoustonTransplant on May 12, 2011 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
big difference
Weddle has been one of the better safeties in the league for a few years. Busing was only slightly worse than the crap we threw out most of the time.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
not since jason sehorn!
actually I have no idea
I am Sancho
by HoustonTransplant on May 11, 2011 3:21 AM CDT up reply actions
The patriots would like a word sir
by Carter Liles on May 10, 2011 8:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not sure that's a good idea.
Cromartie’s 138 kids would probably consume everything within a 100 mile radius of Houston.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 10, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Not a bad DB though
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 10, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
No, definitely not.
Damn sight better than anybody we got at the moment.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 10, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
What issues does he have?
Other than him not knowing what a condom is
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 11, 2011 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions
The guy is in trouble every week for something
Even if it is just stupid shit like saying he’d smash Matt Hassellbeck’s face. Still, that is what Bob would consider “making waves.”
If it would keep Hasselbeck from returning for yet another year of mediocrity...
I’m all for letting Cromartie Hassel the Beck.
Jesus I want him gone.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 12, 2011 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions
It's good to see not just another Seahawks fan around here
But one that also wants to see Glasselbeck ride off into the sunset…preferably being chased by an angry mob with pitchforks.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 12, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I've seen you up at fieldgulls a few times.
Most of us up there are of the opinion he should be gone, even if KJR and KIRO listeners still think it is 2005-2007.
Please, Seattle. Can we rebuild the right way for once...That means without a faded hero leading a charge towards mediocrity.... And if you haven't figured it out yet, that means no more Hasselbeck.
by Tyler Jorgensen on May 12, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I try to make an appearance every so often.
But I don’t know the Seahawks to the same degree I do the Texans so I tend to stay quiet and do more reading than opinionating. And the occasional parody post.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 12, 2011 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
come on him having a lot of kids is a negative really?
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Of course not.
It was just a joke.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 10, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
He only has 137 kids
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 10, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
He has magical jumping sperm.
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I know you were joking
but I’ve seen in the past comments on here that we shouldn’t get him because of all of his kids i don’t get it.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
It's not really all the kids that's the joke
It’s that he’s sowing oats in so many different places
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
That's not a failure
That’s an evolutionary success.
Needs more nose tackle.
They'd disrupt practice... :-|
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
He's also had a couple of assault charges
Been sued over past due child support a couple of times as well. He also had to Ask the jets to give him an advance on his salary to help him get out of financial trouble (related to child support I believe). He has 7? kids with 6 different women all under the age of six. The kids aren’t a big deal. It’s that he’s shown he doesn’t have a very good head on his shoulders when it comes to making responsible decisions. Sure mistakes happen, but after the first four or five mistakes you think he would think about changing the way he goes about things. Especially when those mistakes are putting you in extreme financial difficulty despite your very well paying job.
I’m not saying he’s a bad guy. I wouldn’t have a problem if we signed him, but it is completely understandable for a team to be wary of his character. Not for any one thing he has done, but because he has a history of making poor decisions.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
I meant not a safety
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 10, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't deny Cromartie's skills....
but I don’t think he fits the mold of players that McNair likes so he already has a red flag.
Exactly. Wade doesn't want someone everybody knows won't tackle.
No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.
Not "gritty" enough
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Does he battle though?
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 10, 2011 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Custody Battles count?
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Sure, why not?
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 10, 2011 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
138 women disagree with you on his lack of a high motor
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 11, 2011 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Didn't realize Danniel Manning was available.
He’s got quite a bit of speed to cover on the back end, something we missed a lot last year.
Gerald Sensabaugh is another guy I’d watch.Since he was with Wade last year he might be someone the Texans target.
The safety from SanFran may also get calls because he was with our DB coach last year as well.
Atari Bigby is an interesting name.He’s known as a hitter along the lines of Pollard but is much better in coverage.
No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.
He was a GREAT player
just not a great coach. I have no problem with his getting tough on players approach, but he probably just wasn’t ready to take the reins yet. Should have spent more time as an asst.
At least until he learned...
…how belts and suspenders work.
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
by DilloTex on May 11, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would like Manning here
Return skills & deep speed at either safety spot (he’s played both, but is better at FS)
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 11, 2011 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Huff and Scrabble
reunite them in Houston. Bwahahahha, that be awesome.
Same agent as Mario and DeMeco.
Dunno if that matters, but it might give us an edge.
Doesn't hurt our chances
Hope this lockout ends soon because it is getting ridiculous….
Yea good thing to have sam agents
They all can sit down and talk about it. Then when the lockout is over the FO will show no intrest in the guy.
Mike......
Why would you even think of posting this?
The Texans signing a good FS/CB? Haha, good one.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on May 10, 2011 6:01 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Only because I refuse to write about the lockout
And in the offseason is the time to dream big! Look out for my next article where I talk about the team replacing Gary Kubiak with Super Mecha Death Christ 2000 B.C. Version 4.0 Beta after Bob fires him.
Typical McNair
Skimping and hiring the Beta version.
Needs more nose tackle.
Can I unrec someone else's rec?
Reality has no business here.
/sticks fingers in ears//lalalala//Uncle Bob will spend//lalalala//drinks kool-aid
Blind fandom is all I got left. That and this bottle of Clorox. And this Drano. And this lamp. And this paddle ball game.
Is there any other kind?
Blind fandom is all I got left. That and this bottle of Clorox. And this Drano. And this lamp. And this paddle ball game.
I tried some not to long ago.....
and choked on the sugariness of it. It really needs that shot of bleach to cut that syrupy sweetness.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
i'm seeing...
Carlos Rogers and Daniel Manning is deep steel blue. but, boy scrabble would be nice.
Don't ask me! Ask Google, you dumb Yahoo!
Any predictions on where Scrabble ends up?
Blowboys?
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Philly for sure
He makes them a real superbowl contender
by AllenOU on May 11, 2011 10:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Good guess
I’m still saying New York Jets. Then the media can continue to blow them on a regular basis.
so speaks Casserly
You profile pic is scaring me…
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
OMG!! It is here forever!
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 11, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
New York with the Jets
Which is why Cushing is making the recruiting trip
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 11, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions

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