Checking The Pulse: Nnamdi Asomugha And The Houston Texans - Go For It Or Target Someone Realistic?
by TexansDC on May 17, 2011 10:00 AM CDT
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PrintIf you like seeing All-Pro cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha and your Houston Texans linked together, then Monday was a treat for you. Yesterday, there were no less than four articles talking about the idea of Asomugha in Houston. One from ESPN's John Clayton, one from the Houston Chronicle (it is such an obvious great move that even the Chronicle gang can get behind it), one from ESPN.com's Paul Kuharsky, and one from a smart fellow on SB Nation Houston. There was even one this weekend from The Examiner's Alan Burge.
I know that a poll about if Houston should chase him would easily show a "yes" from the fan base, so I'll change up the question. It's a simple one: Should Houston target the All-Pro cornerback when/if free agency starts or should they lower their sights on someone who is not as good but more realistic? Since I gave my opinion in the linked article above, I won't throw them in below a jump. However, feel free to explain your vote in the comments as we continue to wait for this NFL Lockout to be over and done with.
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Aboslutely NO!
Too high priced for Texans tastes.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
However, if I'm being honest, given the choice above, I am Rip Jersey, so I have to vote that.....
if only you had worded it differently
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Multiple personalities?
A Texas Wannabe, born and raised in New Zealand. Currently located 7343miles South west of Houston.
by distant_texans_fan on May 18, 2011 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions
"I'm ready" / "I'm not ready"
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
What I want to know is....
WTH is this new BRB writer? He’s slacking off on this minimum two-posts per week deal
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Those of us who applied haven't heard who the new writers are yet, either.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 18, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe you should just apply yourself and get back to the keyboard....
;)
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Psshhh, like I leave the keyboard.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 18, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe,
Tim is coordinating the announcement with the delivery of the first BRB t-shirts to commemorate the moment.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
That's got to be it!!!
/excited
/starts looking out front door for UPS guy
/realizes that UPS guy still holds a grudge for the whole “peeing on tire” incident
/decides to wait by computer
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
WTF?
I just accidentally clicked a link to a LDJA12 article. I thought BRB was a place to be trusted (or at least warned!).
I said the Houston Chronicle
I considered it fair warning.
Although I do apologize…I couldn’t not throw in the link since it was relevant to the topic.
"Lord, beer me strength."
/sobbing
I thought this was a safe place!?!
Whyyyyy!?!?!
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
by DilloTex on May 17, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Point to the doll
and show me where he touched you.
Blind fandom is all I got left.
by LoneSpot on May 17, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 14 recs
/laughing aaaaand rec'd
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
I posted this in another thread, but I have no pride...
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
by DilloTex on May 17, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
Thanks Rip...
I kinda’ figured that other thread was dying off…
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
It is worth posting 2x
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 17, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
you fail
that should say free meth not free candy
Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
by NoSafetiesNeeded on May 17, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
point taken
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Just Meth
Can’t give that sh*t away for free
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 17, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Past through once
That’s about it
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 17, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't let 'em kid ya'...
It’s beautiful country that just happened to be the place that Beelzebud took his stolen team.
And as long as you are comfortable with kids running across the parking lot calling for “Auntie Mama!”… you’re good!
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
rec #10
well played, sir
I am Sancho
by HoustonTransplant on May 18, 2011 4:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Bring him in, bring him in!
If nothing else, he locks down half the field. He could also act as another secondary coach on the field and helping the others CBs on the team improve their skills. Also, if you have Scrabble tutoring K-Jax and Johnson going up against him in practice, he should be able to pick up being a CB in the NFL. If he can’t, then it’s pretty damning evidence that he shouldn’t start on our secondary.
Plus, If you have Asomugha, Keo (in theory), Quin and Jackson on the field, we have an easy nickname for the secondary: Triple Word Score.
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Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
Everybody is born right-handed, but only the truly gifted can overcome it.
Hyeah... as long at is isn't "Triple THEIR Score"
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
by DilloTex on May 17, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
That was last year's :)
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 17, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Let's say they don't get Asomugha or any other starting caliber CB
What does the D-backfield look like?
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
A hot mess
Quin and Keo/Nolan starting at safeties
Jackson and B. Harris at cornerback with Carmichael, McCain, and McManis fighting for the nickel and dime spots.
"Lord, beer me strength."
If they dont get anybody in FA
wont they HAVE to try to retain Jason Allen to play CB until we see what we have in Harris and Roc?
"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\"
-mitmil22
by theSpaceCityKid on May 17, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Allen is still under contract with us.
He is not going anywhere this year unless we cut or trade him.
If we do manage to sign Nnamdi Asomugha
Jason Allen & Glover Quin will be our starting safeties. I’m calling it now
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 17, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Allen at FS, Quin at SS
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 17, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Allen is a FA
I doubt he’s coming back, else, we would’ve made an offer to him earlier.
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http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
he couod be back
we’re smart to pace ourselves, a proper FA period hasn’t even begun
yes… I know what you’re thinking… so don’t even mention Shaun Cody
That's what I thought too
but I haven’t been able to verify it. I’ve seen at least one site that has him signed through 2011.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
This says he is not a FA until 2012 (under old CBA, of course)
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/jason-allen/
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
I saw that too or something similar
If the Texans took over his original contract when they got him off waivers then that would seem to be correct. drafted in 2006 and signed a 6 year deal.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
A well used barnyard?
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
IF they dont get a starting caliber CB
we are playing for 2012
"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\\"
-mitmil22
by theSpaceCityKid on May 17, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure we're already playing for 2012
along with all the other NFL teams
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
what?
i sensed a swing and miss on sarcasm but I may be wrong. I meant that we would be playing the 2011 season in hopes of success in the 2012 season because of our young secondary.
"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\"
-mitmil22
by theSpaceCityKid on May 17, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I am now Lockout-jaded
And was saying that I don’t think anyone is playing for the 2011 season, starting caliber CB or not.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
no way kubiak lets that happen
he and ricky smith would trade picks away before they start the season with a mirror image of 2010’s defensive backfield… you cant win in 2012 if you are not employed
if only there were 22 sage rosenfels out there
by gm.in.waiting on May 17, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
hey what do you mean about the 22 rosenfels?
"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\"
-mitmil22
by theSpaceCityKid on May 17, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Is that like 99 Luftbaloons?
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
if everybody could stick their nose in there and give us a goal line dive (at the 40 yd ln)
no matter what the field position may be, i would like our chances just a lil bit more… and cmon how many guys named sage go on to do anything cool let alone the rosencopter
if only there were 22 sage rosenfels out there
by gm.in.waiting on May 17, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
hahahaha i got you now
like 11 sages on D and 11 sages on O. For some reason I thought you meant 22 sages as QBs for other teams. Im laughing really hard imagining 22 sages just dressed in two different colored unis, some with big facemasks and neckrolls all the way down to the single bar punter helmet playing a game against each other and it being one of the most awesome spectacles ever witnessed.
"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\"
-mitmil22
by theSpaceCityKid on May 17, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm unsure as to whether I should laugh or cry.
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"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
I was wondering if there was any weight to your decision
consideration of how much he would cost versus need, and so on.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I'd rather improve more of the defensive backfield...
…rather than put all the eggs in that one basket… However, since we are in win NOW mode, if they decided to go after him, I could see it…
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Well
I see a need to win now, like Dillo said. One could argue that we’re only a couple of pieces off now, and Scrabble would be a HUGE piece. Sure we still need a bonafide safety and arguably a true NT, but outside of that I think we’re as close as we’ve ever been (assuming Wade holds true to his track record).
Frankly, I’m pretty tired of hearing the “he’ll cost too much” excuse when it comes to a name this big. I would tend to agree with that in the past, as we were constantly in building/re-building mode, but now I think it’s time we stop automatically coming to that conclusion. So what if his price tag is high? Isn’t he worth it? Besides, I can think of a handful of overrated and overpaid Texans that could be cut or traded to free up cash.
We have built through the draft and low to mid level free agents. Now we need to start taking risks on some big fish or we’ll see our window of opportunity close, and the rebuild process will start all over again.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
by Hydroshock on May 17, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 11 recs
ya saving money at CB for Kubiak
is like not eating this month in order to make sure you have next months rent.
"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\"
-mitmil22
by theSpaceCityKid on May 17, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the Texans should look into Nnamdi, but I'm not sure it's the best move
I know he’s a great CB. There’s also no reason to think he won’t continue to be a great CB for at least a few more years. If I truly thought that signing him made us legit Super Bowl contenders I would say do whatever it takes.I don’t think he does that though and his contract combined with what I’m guessing will be a somewhat reduced salary cap could handcuff the team. If we sign him and he gets us an extra couple of wins to get into the playoffs, but we never really make a serious run is it really worth it?
We still have mulitple holes that need to be filled and I would rather make sure we are solid at every position with some decent depth than add a superstar and have huge holes elsewhere on the roster.
All that being said….I will squeal with excitement like a schoolgirl named Jordann if we do sign him.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
Absolutely
At some point we have to take some chances or we’ll be going through these motions forever (see Astros and Rockets).
I’m not so worried about Nnamdi handcuffing the team. If anything, Kubiak is the one handcuffing the team now. He’s coaching for his life. If he fails we have to start over again anyway, so we might as well swing for the fences now.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
The Texans are in a completely different boat than the astros
The Astros are a tragically flawed organisation that will take time to even be competitive again. The Texans, while underachieving, have a solid foundation to work off of including a couple of bona fide stars. Nmadi makes the team better. I have no problem with them signing him. I would be extremely excited about.
I just don’t know what the dynamics of the any new CBA might look like…but I’m assuming that teams will have less cap to work with. Does Signing Nnamdi mean that we are stuck with guys off the scrap heap and Glover Quinn learning a new position at safety? Does it mean our only insurance policy at ILB if Demeco isn’t ready and Cush isn’t adjusting quick enough is Sharpton and whatever street free agents are available? I don’t know the answer to that because there’s no way to know that with the current state of the NFL, but if I’m Rick Smith that’s what I’m trying to figure out.
Failing to sign Nnamdi isn’t necessarily proof that we aren’t swinging for the fences. I would just rather spend 150 mill on two to three good players than 100 mill on one great 30 year old player.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
by papabear on May 17, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
it definitely depends on what you deem the cure to be
which is exactly what TDC has alluded to
either way, we probably try to spend our money on DB(s)… and either way, you can get the feeling that GQ is playing safety and we’re rolling with the current LB corps, regardless
GQ at one safety spot
Who is going to be at the other. Troy Nolan or Dominique Barber? The Troy Nolan and Dominique Barber who couldn’t overtake Eugene Wilson and Pollard last year. Nolan is still a young guy who could have a break out year, but you can’t depend on that at this point.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
only Wade can make that call
The important thing is we’ll have Wade around to utilize the strengths and minimize the weaknesses of whoever we play at safety. And don’t count out Allen, Keo, or McManis.
"See Astros and Rockets"...
I do remember the Rockets trading most of their championship team for Charles Barkley though, and never contending since. Depends on the price, and how much it hurts us on the cap, right? There IS a price that’s too high, I don’t care who the player is. Uncapped year? oh ok, pay whatever if that’s the case, but if we’re working against the cap, value has to be a consideration.
With all that said, I voted to make a run at him, because to not even seriously try would just be ridiculous considering our need for DB’s.
Yeah I know, those weren't the best comparisons
But it always seems like they never sign the big names and wind up constantly retooling their rosters. Oh yeah, and constantly losing. So there are some similarities.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
I'm still not sure how having "muitlple holes"...
Would make us avoid signing an awesome player. and what constitutes as a hole? To us, nt is a hole. But to smithiakillps its not.
by Carter Liles on May 17, 2011 10:48 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Some might consider Antonio Smith to be a hole
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by UprootedTexan on May 17, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
That's my point.
There are no DE’s in free agentcy right now. And wide out is not a need. I’d rather go Cb then wide reciever
by Carter Liles on May 17, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
You could mind my sarcasm
everyone else does
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
what?
ohhhh…. you caught my sarcasm; okay….
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I think we need to sign some depth at ILB
Not a top tier guy, but a solid vet with some experience in Wade’s defense who can come in and hold down the fort if needed. Best case scenario is Meco is ready right at the start of the season. You almost have to plan for a setback. Cush will be moving inside and adjusting to a new position. Sharpton is intriguing, but we need a known quantity to steady the ship just in case.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
l do agree
I think we’ll have to, though if we’re really cap restrained after a nice DB addition or two, we’d be safer gping to the scrap heap for lLB than we would taking that route (again) at DB
agreed
A gap filler vet ILB should be spare change compared to what we need at DB. Just pointing out some of the other areas that we need to shore up.
A swing tackle to replace Butler is another….assuming Butler is not signed back, but I think he wants to try and find a starting job somewhere.
I would put a priority (time-wise, not money-wise) on making sure we’ve got decent depth at LB and OT than I would on a WR.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
I would rather take a cheaper option at ILB
Mark Herzlich anybody?
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 17, 2011 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
What about Ronald McDonald?
Didn’t they both play about the same amount of ILB in college?
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
so a player is permanently stuck to their college role?
wait… Ronald McDonald went to college? Degrees are worth less than l realized.
I'm smart enough not to try to try to compare Mario Williams and Ronald McDonald
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by Rip Jersey on May 19, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The point is...
Herzlich was basically a DE in college, and this is not the 40’s when football players were all the same size and could just play football. DE is in no way shape or form similar to ILB, other than you try to tackle the guy with the ball.
I really think this Mario-to-OLB thing is blowing people’s minds. DE and 3-4 OLB are quite similar. As are guard and center. You don’t see much flip-flopping anywhere else in the sport. When corners get too slow or big to play corner, some get a shot at safety. Other than that, you’re translating Madden to real life, and it doesn’t work here.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Corners get slow??
I thought they just started out that way. Damn I gotta start paying attention to other teams…
just pulling your chain
I don’t believe it’s as rare or as exclusive as you state… though you’re not far off, either. It’s usually the younger players who tend to get moved, though. For obvious reasons.
I think he might be a viable backup to Cushing
At 6’4", 244 lbs, him being a DE is dumb. Maybe a 4-3 OLB makes sense, but I can see him being a 3-4 ILB
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 19, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope.
Maybe in 4 years, a backup at a foreign position, but not this year. It’s not like I dislike the guy, or don’t want him, but you might as well move him to stong safety, and expect him to play. Hell, give him a shot at WR too. He didn’t play there either…
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Okay now you're just trolling
I’m saying as a realistic possibility, he could play ILB. Again, it’s not like he’s expected to start anytime soon, & he would be given the time to learn the position (See Dorin Dickerson). He has the talent, plenty of upside, & if he doesn’t make the team, he goes to the practice squad or some other team picks him up. Low risk, high reward.
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 19, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Trolling?
I’d love to never have this conversation with you or anyone ever again, so I’m not sure how I’m trolling.
Anyway, it was YOU that said “viable backup to Cushing.” You realize a backup is a play away from starting, right? That’s how the starter/backup relationship works. And as a realistic possibility, in your world, Rackers could play ILB too, right? I mean, he’s wearing pads and a jersey, so it’s all the same.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
It's sad to see when logic escapes people
Just cause a player goes down with injury doesn’t necessarily mean the next guy on the depth chart automatically goes in. More than likely Sharpton will go in before Herzlich goes in on defense. In the meantime, he’d probably would be limited to special teams.
Also, back to that point about one play away from starting or playing, I’m pretty sure we didn’t see Dickerson come in at all when David Anderson go hurt against Oakland, not to mention having Andre already out for that game. Kubiak never sent Dickerson in the game at all. Instead he chose to send in 2 WR sets for the rest of the game, taking advantage of the multitude of TEs he stashed on the roster. Wade would have the common sense to keep Herzlich out if he wasn’t ready to play like Kubiak did with Dickerson
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 19, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
So...
He’s not a “realistic backup” then, in this example. Make up your mind, dude.
As for Dickerson/Anderson… you realize they play different positions, right? Anderson is a slot. Different animal altogether than what I’ve seen them do with Dickerson. Keep flexing that football ignorance, if you’d like, though. You wear it well.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
this is just a dialogue, beefy
you’re getting too bent out of shape; going well out of your way to bring up points that would be obvious to even someone like VY or Pancackes. Twisting around others’ hypotheticals in the process.
Without worrying about what his role was for Boston College, please tell us why Herzlich couldn’t cut it as an ILB for the Texans…
Agree.
And I apologize for over-simplifying to try to make a point.
Defensive Ends are rarely ever converted to ILB’s, because a defensive end’s priority and skill set is in holding the end of the line on run plays and rushing the passer on pass plays. An ILB’s priority is getting off blocks, or avoiding them altogether, and making tackles from sideline to sideline, while mixing in tons of coverage on pass plays. They’re just completely different animals. Again, I like Herzlich, and I think he’ll end up a decent contributor to someone’s team, but if you move him to ILB, that will set him back 3-4 years, also cutting out what he’s done well to this point.
It’s just crystal clear to me that the suggestion makes 0% sense, but to each his own.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Guess I should've started with this...
Nothing about what I said about trying Mark Herzlich at ILB is any implication about Herzlich specifically as a player or person. My comments are meant to be in general about any DE moving to ILB in a 3-4. It’s just not done, and please show me examples otherwise if it is.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Problem is you're incorrectly calling him a DE when he played 4-3 WLB
His play style similar to Cushing & has experience dropping back in coverage. It’s not a stretch of the imagination to see him be able to move to ILB if Cushing is making that same transition.
Here’s some game film on him
vs. Clemson (2010)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBdkw8diFBE
vs. Virginia (2010)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC3-0qs_iNk
Notice the first comment on the video
Smart and instinctual. Solid tackler. Long arms and broad upper body. Understands how to play in space and takes good angles toward the ball carrier. Struggles against fullbacks and lacks a true burst. Herzlich is best suited as a middle LB in a 3-4 defense.
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 20, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
You know, he might be just the guy to come in and tutelage under Cushing
possible?
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That's what I've been saying!!!!!!!!
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 20, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn...
Could’ve used that information yesterday. I take it all back. Everything I’d seen on him, it looked like he was playing DE at Boston College. Yeah, obviously OLB in a 4-3 to ILB is nothing, regardless of the formation. All apologies.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
All is forgiven
Just remember, I don’t recommend something unless I think it actually has a chance of success, which is why I stuck to this argument
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 20, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Might be all the namecallin' and puttin' words in other posters' mouths
or not.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I agree with this.
If for no other reason than to get insurance against Cap’n Meco. Even if he does come back next season, there’s no guarantee he’s his old self next season.
That said, who is available at ILB that we would want, would not be a steep drop-off from DeMeco, and does not warrant immediate playing time?
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 17, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Mark Herzlich
Definitely doesn’t warrant immediate playing time with tremendous upside if he gets back to full speed & strength
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 17, 2011 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Kevin Burnett available?
Seems to fit all your prereq’s.
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He's a free agent this season.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 17, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
He's not gonna sign to be depth
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
I didn't think he would.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 17, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...
If Demeco’s not full-go, he’s gonna be starting. Granted, I like Burnett, and he could prolly find another 3-4 to be full time in, but he’s one of Wade’s boys, so we’ll see. Worth a shot, anyway.
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If you want depth maybe undrafted free agent Brad Jefferson out of Georgia Tech.
He played ILB in a 3-4 in college.
by RamblinWreck7 on May 17, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
What is up with you guys and undrafted FA's??
That isn’t depth… It’s an experiment with the best case scenario being practice squad or “hot dog guy.”
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okay, I didn't have to explain it to you....
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Wow....
So, every undrafted FA is Arian Foster now? Why the fuck do we even have that event at Radio City Music Hall then??
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Wait, you didn't address the every Undrafted Free Agent is Arian Foster
You might answer, “So, we might as well never sign an Undrafted Free Agent?”
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
no team ever should
instead of using undrafted players to fill out rosters, teams should just play shorthanded
besides, first round picks are all that matter, right?
Did I say that??
Jeebus, it’s like having a conversation with VY.
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It's called low risk-high reward
UDFAs don’t get high paying contracts & are used to fill the roster out. If they make the team, they get paid a low amount until they prove they’re worthy of a higher contract. If they don’t make the team, they get cut for another team to pick them up or end up on a practice squad.
With certain veteran players, they’re required to make the veteran’s minimum, provided a CBA is in place. But in the event they get beat out by some UDFA for a spot & we gave the veteran a signing bonus, we’d have to pay him that bonus if we cut him. If you’re just filling out the roster, you’re better off bringing in UDFAs
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 19, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Wrong again.
If you’re filling out your roster, you’re better off hiring guys that have done it before, i.e. “known nfl commodities.” Had you said, if you’re looking to fill out your practice squad, then I 100% agree. Sign em up.
I understand what a UDFA is, why they exist, and what they’re used for, but to expect every one to have the ability to make a roster (much less any to become Arian Foster) is extremely naive and nfl football ignorant.
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Problem is most "known commodities" out there are looking for starting jobs
I don’t expect every UDFA to make the roster, or to become another Arian Foster. But if teams didn’t take risks with UDFAs, Bart Scott & James Harrison wouldn’t be in the NFL right now
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 19, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Again...
I understand the risk/reward of an UDFA, so you don’t have to belabor the definition any further.
You’re assuming every backup and depth player that’s ever played went into every contract negotiation, assuming he’d be the starter with his new team? I want to be clear, because that’s what it sounds like. There are people that have played in the nfl that sign contracts to be depth. Matter of fact, I’d say the majority of players that do this sign exactly for that reason. Before you jump to conclusions on the mat, I’m not saying these guys don’t strive to be starters, or can’t be… But I will say they’re most likely better options to sign than UDFA’s.
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perhaps it really is like having a conversation with VY...
“That isn’t depth… It’s an experiment with the best case scenario being practice squad or hot dog guy”…
Sorry...
Didn’t think I needed to add “in 99% of cases.”
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tone can be impossible to detect on the internet sometimes
though l suspected that this was where you were coming from
l like reading posts from critical people such as yourself, and considering the insights anyone and everyone presents. Sometimes two people can agree, and often times they don’t, though l’d still say we’re better off for the many disagreements. The insights that can be gained into the eternally complex sport of gridiron football, as well as the friendships that are forged here, are priceless.
Just take a look at so many unmentionable sites and blogs, and consider the alternative…
I can't pull myself away from here to read those other sites....
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Really Beefy...
This is the only guy I’ve ever mentioned and your bashing him because he’s undrafted. How stupid.
by RamblinWreck7 on May 19, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not bashing anyone, is the thing...
I’ve got all the respect in the world for Herzlich, would love if we picked him up as an OLB prospect. I just think it’s dumb to move him to a completely foreign position, much less, expect him to contribute anything above a practice squad level in his first year of that transition. Obviously I’m wording things order of out or something.
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.... But I mentioned Brad Jefferson out of Georgia Tech.
And wouldn’t Herzlich be an ILB.
by RamblinWreck7 on May 19, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Apologies...
I’ve never heard of Jefferson, so I certainly didn’t mean to bash him if that’s how you took it.
No, I don’t see Herzlich fitting at ILB without 3-4 years of seasoning. Am I making it up that he played DE? If so, I wish that would’ve been everyone’s argument, and I would’ve shut up about it quite a while back.
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l'm not much of a fan of the college game
so l freely admit that l know next to nothing about Herzlich
though, l see he’s listed at 6’4", which seems to be pretty tall for an lLB
his frame alone gives your interpretation some extra merit…
He was a 4-3 WLB, not a DE
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 20, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't worry
We got his head back on straight already
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 21, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Now he can kiss our butts by just leaning and turning without all the gymnastics…
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Main problem with your rationale
Ain’t almost everyone in our front 7 moving to another position? He’d be no further behind than anyone else. Besides Wade would use him how he thinks he’d best be used
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 20, 2011 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not to mention you're downplaying the importance of special teams
Even if he never makes it on the field on defense, he’d at least contribute on special teams. In case you don’t remember, our special teams coverage wasn’t exactly that great, neither was our field positioning
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 20, 2011 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Right.
And I’ve never said he wasn’t a good player, or couldn’t have an impact.
As to everyone else moving positions… they’re moving to positions that make sense for them, as it relates to their skill sets and past positions. DE to ILB is not one of those situations.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
He's not a DE
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 20, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I really think the period of transition is going to be quick
and I think the degree of change for most will be minimal. They are still tackling, coming off blocks, holding positions. There are some differences on responsibilities, but I think their abilities and skill will allow them to make the adjustment and we may even find that they excel in their new scheme greater than the old scheme. Yes, that’s hopeful thinking, but Wade Phillips has done it before and he seems to have confidence in this working.
I think it will work and I think it will work sooner rather than later.
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about Sharpton
I think he’s got a ton of potential. I agree we could stand to sign a vet for depth but I think Sharpton has the goods.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
yeah, known quantities are nice
but sometimes you have a capable “unknown” like Arian Foster or Daryl Sharpton waiting in the wings
still, the DeMeco situation is dicey, so we’ll need more contingencies on the roster or taxi squad
Dorin Dickerson
agrees
"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\"
-mitmil22
by theSpaceCityKid on May 18, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
do you prefer a broken play red zone safety or a kickoff fumblerooski for a safety?
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Sounds Charlie Sheen-ish
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 17, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Am I the only one here
Who loves the train wreck that is Charlie Sheen?
Blind fandom is all I got left.
by LoneSpot on May 17, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Charlie
Just turned into his character
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 17, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
My brother observed a long time ago...
That he didn’t think that Charlie was acting… He just thought Charlie showed up and did what he do…
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
I am sure CBS knew this
Why else is the character’s name “Charlie?”
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 17, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
If the Texans sign Asomugha
Will they be winning now? As in, making the playoffs, winning?
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
yes they will
cant wait for people to say we won our championships when manning retires, kinda like they do us about the rockets and jordan.
S'Okay... I'll take it.
Fivehead is probably the greatest all-around QB to ever play the game. I like him, but I won’t miss facing him.
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
I just hope we get the chance to prove ourselves against him...just a point of pride.
We are all important to each other, and because of this we have a purpose. - Daniel Black (Yes, that's me)
I wonder how previous Wade Phillips' Ds have fared?
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
The last time Wade was in charge of a team facing Manning
Was in 2006. he was fired before the Boys played the Colts this year when they picked off Manning 4 times (still got torched though). That 2006 game the Boys under Wade held the Colts in check the whole game and frustrated Manning.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2006111903/2006/REG11/colts@cowboys
Only other game I could bother to find was in 2004 when he was in his first year as the defensive coordinator for the Chargers (the year before they were #27 on defense his first year they were 18th) His defense didn’t fare as well.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2004122602/2004/REG16/chargers@colts
Judging by our current talent and the state of the Colts we could have two strong games against the Colts because I doubt their running game is going to emerge this year.We’ll give up 250+ to Peyton but no more than 2 TD’s passing in either game.And no 300+ games. That’s what I’m hoping for anyways.
No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.
by Ethan Matz on May 17, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thx Ethan Matz
I was too busy winning poker games to take time to look it up,,,
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I would have rec'd this for the info
If you didn’t keep calling them “the Boys”. That’s just disgusting.
by WhiskeyR on May 18, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I thought the same, but
It showed a measure of affection and endearment that I couldn’t rec. Yeh, thx for the info, Ethan Matz, but the hugginess of it all, kind of makes me want to step on ants….
It’s okay to call them boys, if you add a prefix of “blow” or “coke” to it.
Appropriately flagged.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on May 18, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
My apologies.
It was late and I was to lazy to type up anything more than the Boys. I usually don’t even refer to them by name just the team in Dallas.
No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.
We're just having fun at your expense, Ethan.
It’s slow season, ya’know…. People take shots at me all the time. Don’t stop posting.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Sure to Nnamdi
But I’d also be happy to take the money we’d spend on Nnamdi and sign both Josh Wilson and Eric Weddle. Heck, we could create cap space easily but cutting certain dead-weight.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
Here's your sign...
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
by DilloTex on May 17, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I just re-watched the Colts game we won...
And Stevie was still quite competent. Average, yes, but he was coming off of having vertebrae fused, so I’ll give him a little slack. It’s always doubtful to come all the way back to what he was, but it’s also not like we’re paying him much.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
I suspect nerve damage was a part of the neck issue
I’m no doctor but I suspect it could mess with your ability to grip the ball tightly.
/diagnosis
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
vision is important to a back
if you cant see a guy approaching from the side or from behind, possesion is at risk
vertebrae in his neck were fused together… it’s just unlikely his range of motion in the neck will ever return
So what we're saying is....
He’s all fracked up and we need to trade him before everyone else figures it out.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
most teams are probably on top of these types of matters
so, yes, we should offer him to Oakland or Dallas immediately
RBs
have very little trade value. My guess is he will play out his contract here and then be a FA.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
Yes, it's not like he's Clinton Portis in his prime....
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I would just like to see them be aggressive for once
Shoot for the best. If you get him, great. If you fall short onto some good players (like Wilson and Weddle) that’s great too. Just show everyone you actually want to win for once.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Hell yea you make a run at a great corner
Nnamdi make us a true playoff contender. There’s still a few things keeping us from being title contender, one is seeing how the defense comes together first. But yea i would give it a shot
Who was the first to see a cow and think "I wonder what will happen if I squeeze these dangly things and drink whatever comes out?
If I were Bob
I would go for it. McNair is pretty old, you can’t take all that money with you Bobby.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
Absolutely yes, BUT
Scrabble is the top answer to the biggest problem the Texans have. He has a proven track record, and can take the Texans to the next level. He can mentor young players. Plus he’s a genuinely good citizen. All of this is exactly what Bob looks for. And he knows that to get quality you have to pay more- and to get top quality you have to pay top price.
However, the Houston fans have shown a stunning lack of holding someone accountable if nothing is done. So, from a business standpoint, Bob can make a “run” at Scrabble and a couple of other people, not get anyone, continue with the same problems we had last year, and Reliant will still be sold out every home game. For a sea-change to occur, something drastic (like NOT selling out a home game) will have to happen. Only then will Bob have to change his mentality and actually do something in free agency.
Bob is not a stupid businessman.
He knows constant ineptitude will wear on even this fanbase eventually.
We need help
A lot of help and I’m not sure Scrabble will be able to give us all we need. Yes he is a great corner and yes without a doubt he would help our secondary and whole defense but what do we do about the rest of our holes?
I just want to say
I love each and every one of you, and if we get scrabble, first round on me at the nearest bar for EVERYONE, hopefully sometime when kerns is out of town.
scrabble makes us instant contenders for the division, IF the offense can NOT SUCK every other half
considering how close we have been in the past
with the offense sucking for a half, a mediocre defense would be enough to push us over the top. Our offense scores 24+ points, I don’t care if they do it over 4 quarters or in 5 mins.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
by DaGoaT on May 17, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Truth
Our offense averaged 24.4 PPG last year. But luckily for Clorox, we gave up an average of 26.7 PPG last year. And that is with the 0 points averaged in for when we played the BESFs led by Rusty Trombone at QB.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Even if the offense sucks for half the game
they can still put up 20+ in the other half.
I agree that Nnamdi doesn’t fill all the holes and there are still other moves that need to be made, but this team is closer to being a contender than we ever have been, so when you get a chance to fill a glaring hole with one of the best players available, I think you have to make a run for it and figure the rest out later.
by Vega on May 17, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno about stacked...
But i’d do her in any position.
by Ivan A on May 17, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
so a gold-plated strap-on?
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
by Shake on May 17, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
For just a second there...
I thought the lower-right logo said “Walt Disney”.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Miley Cyrus in 3 years.
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really?
I think that she’ll look much more coked-out by then.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
Give that 5 years.
Lindsay Lohan’s don’t just pop up overnight.
Canal Street Chronicles-A place of great Saints news and information. Oh and the stuff I write!
Is it bad
That every few hours when checking this thread I try to rec this post again….and then get frustrated that I can’t rec more than once? Every day?
Perfectly understandable...
I just tried again myself…
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Also
a run at Scrabble sounds good but why would he come here? It’s like me trying to get a playmate to come to my house, no matter how much money I throw at her she’s probably not coming.
by creedt on May 17, 2011 12:37 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Mmmm... I think I detect a slight logic error...
no matter how much money I throw at her she’s probably not coming
But an encouragement rec for participation…
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
See: "Smith, Anna Nicole"
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Funny how she used to look good at least at one point in her life
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 20, 2011 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Same reason Reggie White signed with the Packers...
and Garnett and Ray Allen with the Celtics. To push a team over the top.
The Celtics have a legendary history
Houston football is kinda lolz.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
kinda?
Legendary histories or not, the Packers and Celtics weren’t often looked at as prime destinations at those points in time.
Besides, if you help bring the first Super Bowl championship to Houston, you’ll become a bigger legend than you would be, by winning somewhere else.
I call it the Billy Clyde Gillespie Hypothesis
Had he stayed at TAMU, not only would they have given him a blank check and the key to the city to do as he pleased, there would’ve been streets, gyms, and administration buildings named after him, but he threw up the deuce and tried his luck at UK, where he’d only be lucky to maintain status quo. Which he obviously didn’t.
Dumb DUMB move, Billy.
Yeah, go somewhere you can make an impact. Oh, and where they don’t have state income tax. :)
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My sig agrees with you
And 2-3% of eleventy billion dollars is a lot of extra take-home cash.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
I'm not disagree with the coolness of bringing the first to Houston
But think of it from the players point of view. They know their careers are short, they have a limited amount of time to win a championship before its over for them. So who are they gonna go to as a 30 year old free agent, a team with a history of recent playoff appearances and/or a trophy in the case, or a team who has never been to the playoffs and never lived up to their potential? We have to admit, as sad as it is for us, Houston is not a beacon of success to attract anyone.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
What are we missing at this point? Sentimental memories or defense?
Indeed, careers are short. Becoming a true athletic icon could affect his bottom line well after he retires.
Careers are short that's why most athletes think.....
Fuck titles, get money.
You pony up the guaranteed dollars and that 30-year old athlete will be here.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Yes but elite free agents
are going to get top money no matter where they go. So its going to be a matter of the competitive nature wanting a shot at winning a Super Bowl. We can show him on paper we have the potential pieces, but we have no history of success to back it up.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
History doesn't win games played tomorrow.
But just to humor you, how many head coaches out there possess three Super Bowl rings? Kubiak has been in a leadership role before, on a “laughingstock that will never win the Super Bowl”. How much was that popular sentiment worth the first time around? I’m sure Koobs is by no means happy with the overall results in Houston, but at least he’s been down this road before while ultimately ending up in the promised land.
How many times has our current DC successfully developed a defense?
Exactly how many teams are out there, that should be able to lean on the laurels of a recent Super Bowl championship, anyway? Do some homework, this is the NFL. Often times, situations can change abruptly after one good offseason. And adversity has been known to breed champions.
Many cases could be made that we’ll instantly become a contending team with one more good puzzle piece, say a CB like Nnamdi. Not saying we will for sure, but no other team can realistically say anything “for sure”, either.
There are plenty enough selling points for getting him here, when using either hindsight or foresight. Hopefully, if we make an offer, it makes a monetary impression, and hopefully Nnamdi has more foresight than our passionate but eternally tortured fanbase, as well.
as TDC said
money, money, money! This isn’t basketball where you can pool three top-notch players and be playing for championships. Football is different. Peyton Manning is one darn good QB and he only has one, with a close for another. He comes to Houston; does he contend for a championship the next season? Or, does he need other players around him?
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
We can't seem to get over the middle
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 17, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
But can he cover TEs?
That’s where we were carved up by mostly
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 17, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
/reaches for beating dead horse .gif...
/realizes error
/blushes and wags
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Kuharsky delves into that in his piece
It’s all about the money.
It’ll take more than Dunta’s $25.5 million guaranteed to probably do so. I’m guessing the deal, if done long-term with an eye on moving Nnamdi to FS, would probably be in the neighborhood of 6-years, $72-78 million with $30-35 million of that guaranteed. If you structure it like Atlanta did with Dunta, you don’t have a cap killer really.
"Lord, beer me strength."
That said
I think he may end up signing a 4-year deal for $53 million dollars with about $30M guaranteed.
"Lord, beer me strength."
It's just so hard to say without knowing what the cap will lookout
It will probably have a similar structure to the old one, but I’m sure there will be differences. If the cap is reduced by 10% are free agents like Nnamdi going to be willing to lower their asking price by 10% as well?
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
I think he wants more than Revis in guaranteed
Revis deal is $32M. So I’m thinking starting guaranteed at $35M
I am Sancho
by HoustonTransplant on May 18, 2011 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Money rarely makes a women come....
OH, you meant come to your house. nvm
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
by txknight on May 17, 2011 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not getting my hopes up.
I would love to see Nnamdi here, but I don’t want the Texans going into a bidding war with the Redskins and southern oklahoma
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
don't get your hopes up, true
but don’t be defeatest, either
Nnamdi is probably ready to win some games, and neither Dallas nor Washington are more prepared to do that than we are
also the Eagles are in there too and they are winning team right now.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
well he has options
and we’re among them
Really, though, are the Eagles any better off then we are? What have they ever done? Division titles are nice, but put them in the AFC South and their past “achievements” dwindle.
think of it this way
join a team that can make the playoffs or a team that seems to have a string of losses every season that just screws us over? If i were him and all these teams offered me I’m going to the team that gives me the best chance to win and unfortunately that may be the Eagles.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Maybe he doesn't want to go play in a shit hole like Philidelphia
I dunno about you but I don’t eat cheese steak. Maybe the guy likes Ribeyes and BBQ. Maybe he wants to play where the women aren’t all dogs. Maybe he wants to live in a state where the weather doesn’t make you want to commit suicide.
I know that’s a lot of maybes but the truth is none of us know what his motivations are. All I’m sayin is that there are a lot worse places to play than Houston, for various reasons.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
I'm looking at this as a NFL fan not a Houston Texans fan.
I’m not letting my love for the Texans blind me and only let me see the reasons why he would come here and not the reasons he wouldn’t.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
but right now most people here are talking about why he should be a Texan
and not why he wouldn’t. I’m just trying to even things out.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
l think you're letting the patented Texans pessimism blind you
Don’t lump me in as only seeing one side of the conversation just because l made statements for only one side. That’s all you’ve done, as well.
He can only sogn with one team. Yeah, that might not be us. How poignant.
I can think of lots of reasons for him to come here
but I think we’re going to lose a bidding war for him and hopefully we can target someone like Joseph.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
l understand
But your negativity is amazing. And maybe there hasn’t been much in this thread, but there has been a real defeatest attitude at BRB about the possibility of Nnamdi signing here.
But it’s not impossible.
its important to see both sides of the story
and yes its possible for him to join the Texans, but like i said in my first comment im not getting my hopes up for him.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
everyone is entitled to speak their mind
but there’s been a helluva lot of people around here who would rather forefeit Nnamdi, rather than even make an attempt. No exaggeration.
But, okay, don’t get your hopes up. He can’t sign everywhere.
well I didn't say for them not to make an offer
they need to make a serious offer. At least it shows us that they are trying, but just couldn’t land him.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
ah
but you you continue to negatively imply that we cannot land him
and you aren’t the only one on this blog singing that tune
so, sorry, that viewpoint doesn’t exactly need any assistance
l’m done with this, Joe. Find a way to enjoy life. Thanks for the chat.
I <3 Cut Block...
/wags
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Yeh, but
What Joe is saying is probably closest to reality. They will make and offer, but another team will top them and he will sign elsewhere. That tune has been sung before. In fact, the song is already written with Asomugha’s name already inserted….. just waiting for the fat lady to step up to the microphone.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
YOU'RE ALL JUST AGENTS IN DISGUISE!!!1!
Spreading your Star worshiping propoganda all over BRB. Not that the Texans can’t create their own bad PR…
;-)
I'm just shocked...
That the argument has mainly been about money, and hasn’t turned to the regurgitative point of “Rick Smith can’t sign big names” bullshit.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
::Clears throat::
RICK SMITH CAN'T SIGN BIG NAMES!!!!!
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 17, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
because thats not why I saying he may not come to the Texans
what I am saying is that when its all over chances are he won’t be here and I won’t be disappointed.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
holy shit you guys allen ou'd three times
Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
by NoSafetiesNeeded on May 17, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
There are writers who have said that Nnamdi and Philly don't make as good a match as some think
Can’t recall why not, but I have seen them
"Lord, beer me strength."
They've gone to that mystical land I heard of
called the playoffs.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
and what exactly did they make of those opportunities?
also no guarantee they will be back in, or that we won’t get in
on the contrary
Dallas really just had a horrible year in their secondary and lost their starting quarterback……………………….BY NO MEANS AM I A SOUTHERN OKLAHOMA FAN,but on the real they have a better chance of winning then the two teams listed up thereeeeeee
1017
You left out...
Their offensive and defensive lines also hit the decline due to age.
"Lord, beer me strength."
With only 1 playoff win in 14 years....
they’re not exactly setting the world on fire.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Suddenly a shot rings out before TexanZ can finish his thought...
/a large body falls to the floor
/a woman screams
/a dog farts
Hmmm… ham?
/a leaky faucet drips
/a door slowly creeeeaks open
/Wade Phillips enters the room holding a smoking sniper rifle
/He shakes his head and closes and locks the door behind him
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
by DilloTex on May 18, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Right after the Texans win their fourth consecutive SuperBowl...
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
without pause
/He takes a deep breath
ahhh…. ham
/take another deep breath, a “Pancakes deep breath”
no, Canadian bacon
/cracks his knuckles
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I'd love Nnamdi, but....
I think I’d rather have a J.Joseph, N.Clements, or C.Rogers in addition to E.Weddle or M.Huff
Still, I definitely would not be disappointed if Nnamdi was our only FA signing. I’d actually be positively giddy.
Joseph may or may not be a FA depending on CBA rules
As for Clements, he’s already falling off…he didn’t do squat for the 49ers last season.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Clements was having a good 2009 pre-injury
The question would be is Clements just a worse player post-injury (a la Dunta), or is he a victim of playing on a worse defense in 2010 thus making him appear as though he’s now a worse player (when he may not be).
Regardless, I think Vance Joseph would know the answer to this question better than anyone else, so we’ll be able to value Clements more accurately than anyone else. SF was a much better defense in 2009 than in 2010. Not a big difference in rush defense effectiveness, but a huge difference in pass defense effectiveness (per FootballOutsiders.com). So the question is whether Clements was a victim of that or a cause?
I remember people crying in their bleach that we didn't sign clements back when he ended up at San Fran
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
If nothing else, this post definitely proves that talking about Nnamdi is a guaranteed 200+ comments..
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | SB Nation Houston | Battle Red Blog
Let's change it for Bob's perspective...shall we?
If nothing else, this post (and the 100s out there) definitely proves that there is an interest in Nnamdi and that he would generate a ton of revenue and positive attention.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on May 17, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
You know what else would generate "revenue and positive attention"?
Playing a football season this year.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
by Shake on May 17, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Circle gets the square.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on May 17, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Mediation for the block
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Is Whoopi still in the center-square?
That bitch always screws things up.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
...like STNG... a bartender really?
Like she has the chops to mix drinks… please…
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Amen /bitterness
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
If the Texans sign Nnamdi, would it give them credibility?
Would the NFL view us in a diffrent light? Would teams fear us? Can one player do that?
My attitude is like a virgin......I dont give a fuck!
Yes. Yes. Not fear per se. Yes.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on May 17, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
To sign a player like Nnamdi
would change the view of the Texans a lot. Just think if we had a No.1 CB on our team last year and we probably would have won like 4 more games.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
I agree and that makes me sick.
I say sign the dude! I bet he looks bad ass in a Texans uni
My attitude is like a virgin......I dont give a fuck!
That would give us.............
The #1 CB in the game. The #1 WR in the game and the #1 Rb from last year. Sounds tasty!
My attitude is like a virgin......I dont give a fuck!
Absolutely. It sends a LOUD message to fans, players and the rest of the world
that the Texans are digging in, kicking ass, and running a business to win championships….instead of “Uncle Bob’s Club of Gentlemen” who line up 8 times a year to fill a stadium full of fans more deserving than to be paying top price for seats, food and drinks while watching half prepared, sleep walking, unmotivated, poorly coached, highly paid athletes get their nut sacks roasted by [Insert Visiting Team Name], and then go on to embarrass themselves and the city of Houston on broadcast television in another team’s home stadium the other eight times a year.
It’s time some shit changed around here, and signing Scrabble makes a profound statement that things are changing in honest pursuit of championships.
by MeMongo on May 17, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
To quote the douches in Harold and Kumar...
“EXTREME!”
I don’t remember us going 0-16…
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Oh I know we didn't go 0-16
but the Texans did sleep walk through the majority of their games, be it the first half slump with a heart attack recovery effort, or a good start destroyed by a second half “play not to lose” hangover.
Ya know... I know people know on him
But I like Bernard Pollard. He gave the Texans an asshole mentality on defense (along with Cushing) that you didn’t get from DeMeco and Mario. I mean, even his NFL ID picture was a mugshot. And that colts game? Don’t get me started.
He may have been a liability in certain respects, but I never saw reason to not like him. He was tough, a leader, and a helluva Run Stopper. And I’d like to see him back.
"There's a lot that people don't know. Like our names." - Matt Hasselbeck
I love Bernard Pollard
…but he was a huge problem with the D last year. Even though he was better against the run, he missed some tackles and took bad angles at times there as well. His run coverage in no way made up for how bad he was in coverage. He was probably most successful as a blitzer. Even that became predictable because it was obvious he was going to blitz(to keep from being exposed in coverage). Pollard the type of guy who’s great to have on your team as a back-up situational guy who dominates special team. If he’s back. It better be as a back up. Attitude is great, but it means nothing if you can’t play.
Still love the way he played though.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
I don't think he was as bad a tackler as people say. I mean he was top three in tackles 2 years in a row on our team
And I think he was top 5(if not top 10) in the league tackling.
Yes he’s a liability, but that’s why you move him to LB and make him special teams. Just think would you want him running at you while you return kicks… Better yet him and KEo would be an amazing special teams duo. Both have desire and want to play Snd win. I don’t know the price Of a straight special teamer but I say give him a one year 1mil contract and tell him he’s gotta make plays on ST to stay.
Houston Texans:
1st Round: J.J. Watt (NT)
2nd Round: Ras-I Dowling/Brandon Harris (CB)
3rd Round: Mark Herzlich (ILB)
4th Round: Shiloh Keo (S)
5th Round: Chris Carter (OLB)
6th Round: Alex Henery (P/K)
7th Round: Stephen Burton (WR)
by CCBach on May 17, 2011 6:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I love Pollard
The problem is he is part of a dying breed of box safeties. That style of defense is on its way out. With the pass heavy offenses and multi WR formations of today’s game, defenses need both safeties to be able to cover. This is something Pollard struggles at.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
I'm not saying he was the worst tackler, or even a bad one
….but he was more of a big hitter that occasionaly whiffed. Pollard could maybe play WLB in a 4-3, but not very likely to happen anywhere. Him playing LB in Wade’s system is just not happening.
Pollard is not going to want to sign to be a special teamer, but even if he did that’s a terrible use of resources because you don’t want to be paying a veteran salary for a guy who only plays special teams that you would be terrified of having to play on defense. Save those roster spots for younger, cheaper guys, who might actually contribute at another position one day.
I think you are terribly underestimating how poorly he was last year. He has a fiery attitude, but at the end of the day, so what if he doesn’t play well?
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
though l really don't like the idea of moving him to LB
wouldn’t he fit Wade’s defense better as an ILB rather than OLB?
I fear if we get Nnamdi
That if you thought Kareem Jackson looked bad last year – guess who will be thrown at ALL the time? All I can hope is that KJ gets much better.
However, this is a fear I want to have to experience.
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
Yea but on the bright side
We could roll coverage to his side so he would have help
Who was the first to see a cow and think "I wonder what will happen if I squeeze these dangly things and drink whatever comes out?
Exactly
You can afford to help one CB if the other can handle his side alone.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
I was just trying to to be all ooo and ahhh about aqiring Nnamdi
Even though I am
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 17, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
The only thing to fear about signing Nnamdi is the money
him having a big enough contract that might stop us from resigning Mario and Arian. Thats the only thing I fear.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Deffinently nit worth what we played
IMO. He needs to prove he can stay healthy. A 2 year contract at most would have been a good idea
Houston Texans:
1st Round: J.J. Watt (NT)
2nd Round: Ras-I Dowling/Brandon Harris (CB)
3rd Round: Mark Herzlich (ILB)
4th Round: Shiloh Keo (S)
5th Round: Chris Carter (OLB)
6th Round: Alex Henery (P/K)
7th Round: Stephen Burton (WR)
by CCBach on May 17, 2011 6:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Deffinently nit worth what we played
IMO. He needs to prove he can stay healthy. A 2 year contract at most would have been a good idea
Houston Texans:
1st Round: J.J. Watt (NT)
2nd Round: Ras-I Dowling/Brandon Harris (CB)
3rd Round: Mark Herzlich (ILB)
4th Round: Shiloh Keo (S)
5th Round: Chris Carter (OLB)
6th Round: Alex Henery (P/K)
7th Round: Stephen Burton (WR)
by CCBach on May 17, 2011 6:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
anyone see this?
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/5/17/2176180/nnamdi-asomugha-houston-texans-free-agency
it says that Nnamdi isn’t considering the Texans, but they use Richard Justice as a source. I don’t know if I should bye this since its Justice.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
this the quote they used
Word is Asomugha doesn’t want any part of our little corner of paradise. Really? Well, buddy boy, I’ve got about 30 million reasons you might just change your mind.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
what I want to know is who told him this and is he really a source?
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
The voices in his head.
Canal Street Chronicles-A place of great Saints news and information. Oh and the stuff I write!
by Jon Banks on May 17, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The same ones that talk to Peter King.
Canal Street Chronicles-A place of great Saints news and information. Oh and the stuff I write!
Definitely no source
Its hyperbole. He does it all the time. If there were a source, it’d be the headline of the article and he’d be bragging about his connections incessantly.
His VY Idol told him
Whne he was praying to it
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 17, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I've seen the quote
If Justice had a source, he’d be touting it as Whiskey said. Writers love throwing in they have sources….it’s how they can rub people’s noses in it.
Plus, Justice is more a baseball guy. He doesn’t do anything football related outside of tossing in his opinion here or there. He rarely, if ever, interviews anyone in the NFL. That’s why I don’t buy it because he’s just not that guy.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Truth
Worry when the article is by Schefter.
If the Treasury Secretary doesn't have to pay taxes, then why do I?
I was scared too, until I saw LDJA12 as the source.
Then I laughed and closed the link.
Canal Street Chronicles-A place of great Saints news and information. Oh and the stuff I write!
I was like that too at first
but then I was thinking maybe he actually knows someone.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Little Dicky Justice?!
What a bunch of shit.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 17, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Well if he is not into us....
lets atleast drive the price up on him, give some crazy ass price for him so teams can match it.
Justice just used that story as a reason to bring up not drafting VY again
There’s a throw away line about not NA not wanting to come to Houston with nothing to back it up, or even a little bit of logic about why that might be the case….and then the article goes back to being about LDJA12. It is just one big fluff piece with absolutely ZERO journalistic merits. It was about page hits and getting people worked up over something that may or may not happen. The only way that article could have been a bigger waste of time and electrons is if it had a BR style slide show in in it (sorry Jake).
I loathe myself for getting sucked into reading it last night. I still feel dirty, but I guess that is what the bleach is for.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
I prescribe that you fill your whirlpool with clorox and soak for an hour or three
while you read bfd’s A Brief History of the Texans….
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Chapter One - The Casserly Conundrum
The last toilet fixture was just being installed at the spanking new Reliant Stadium…..
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on May 18, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
remember when they invited a bunch of people for an early tour of the stadium and then had them all go to the bathrooms and flush all the toilets over and over to test the plumbing
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
Wasn't that cub scouts...
Because I did that lol.
by RamblinWreck7 on May 18, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I lean towards not pursuing a FA that will probably set a record as far as price goes, but I would be happy to see someone well versed in salary cap knowledge (based on existing rules) and how it would affect the Texans going forward.
Bottom line, I’m very hesitant to put so much faith and money into just one player. Mr. McNair has his faults, but I wouldn’t want him to go the way of Daniel Snyder and the Redskins either.
by semihard@texans on May 18, 2011 7:59 AM CDT reply actions
After sleeping on it...
I reconfirm my position that the Texans signing Scrabble would be the most exciting thing to happen in the offseason, only short of me getting 14 unrestricted minutes with Natalie Portman of course!
What would you do with the extra 13:30?
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
by DilloTex on May 18, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
If I had 14 minutes with Natalie Portman
all of them would be spent demanding she tell me what it was like having sex with Mila Kunis. All of them.
I second that
except I would be asking what is was like to have sex with Mila Kunis while I was banging Natalie
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
by papabear on May 18, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mine was the 666th vote?
Guess that means I’m takin’ the Hell Express? Oh well, I was probably booked anyway
"Eat Well, Stay Fit, Die Anyway" - Ancient Chinese Proverb
That's also the combination to the briefcase
Carrying Marsellus Wallace’s soul.
Blind fandom is all I got left.
Funny... It's also the combination to DeMaurice Smith's briefcase...
go figure!
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
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