SB Nation: Texans' 2011 Team Needs

Joel Thorman devotes a few words to what your Houston Texans did in the 2011 NFL Draft, and where they may go from here.

An unnamed voice from BRB chimes in too and could very well cause your head to explode with the brilliance emanating from his remarks.

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After the draft

I might actually prefer weddle to scrabble. I’m sure I’m in the minority, and he most likely won’t be an UFA. One can dream.

If we signed weddle and Jon Joseph I would literally crap myself

by AllenOU on May 18, 2011 5:07 PM CDT via mobile reply actions

Neither one might even be available

Asomugha is the Holy Grail for our defense right now. If by some miracle we can sign him, Glover Quin & Jason Allen might end up being our starting safeties with Scrabble, Kareem, Harris, Carmichael, McCain, & McManis being our CBs

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on May 18, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions

If we try and be realistic

It’s more of a josh Wilson or ike Taylor, and that doesn’t excite me.

If the choice was scrabble OR Eric weddle, and the price was the same… Scrabble. But the price wouldnt be the same

by AllenOU on May 18, 2011 6:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions

fixed

…with Scrabble, Kareem, Harris, Carmichael, ~~McCain,~~ & McManis being our CBs

"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\"
-mitmil22

by theSpaceCityKid on May 19, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions

You forgot Molden and Allen

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on May 19, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions

He was saying Allen would be at safety with Quin

and is Molden still considered a CB? I thought he was team manager..

"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\"
-mitmil22

by theSpaceCityKid on May 19, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions

Vance Joseph & Wade Phillips like McCain's upside

They believe he’s just been coached badly. He’s not going anywhere

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on May 19, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions

like hearing this

although all of our CBs need to be coached up, most of them lack the top end speed mccain does have..which in a lot of cases can make up for bad mechanics

by Mike Ram on May 19, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions

i dont see

allen being a safety..slow doesnt = safety…hes def not a FS because the lack and speed along with lack of range..and in the SS position he isnt going to be putting fear into ne offense against the run..id much prefer nolan back there,..i thought, although he was def lost at times, he can make up for it with his ability to be a magnet to creating turnovers

by Mike Ram on May 19, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions

another note on allen

was that to me he was j reeves but slightly better at turning his head around..for the most part he just attached himself to the wideouts hip and tried to mirror him..but still left holes for the qb to throw the ball to..doesnt really lend itself to showing play rec which is a huge must playin in the backend

by Mike Ram on May 19, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions

He ran a sub-4.40 in 2006...

And played FS in college. Might even be a better option than Quin…

Amusing quote from NFLdraftscout that just sums up how relative it all is:

CB Jason Allen intercepted three passes with Miami and was waived. He intercepted three passes with the Texans and was praised.

by Nashmeister on May 19, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions

Shiloh Keo is being praised by Pancakes today, you-know-where

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on May 19, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions

Ah, balls.

So much for that pick, then.

by Nashmeister on May 19, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs

Yup... Kiss-O-Death

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on May 19, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions

i have a really

hard time believing he could put that kind of number on the clock now and im sure by ur eye u saw there wasnt a ton of speed there..plus if we are going to go bak to predraft evals of ’06, lets say that his durabilty issues playing in our “twin” safeties responsiblities of having to be in run support would come into effect

by Mike Ram on May 19, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions

Allen's problem at CB

Isn’t speed, it’s his high center of balance and stiff hips… he can run a straight line with the best of them. He’d be better off at safety because for one he wouldn’t be in as much man coverage, and when he is he’d usually be going up against a TE or RB which he can handle fine. As for playing deep zone, he’d probably be pretty good at it because of his straight line speed… he can get from point ‘A’ to ‘B’ about as fast as anyone we have…

by Bryan72076 on May 19, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions

Live up to the Space City moniker and...

Shoot for the stars, Rick. Think more Scrabble and less Ike Taylor (who has stated he wants back to Pittsburgh) and Carlos Rogers (who has declined over the past few seasons and is in no way, shape, or form a #1 cornerback).

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on May 18, 2011 6:14 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

What the Texans really need is a CBA in place and the 4 year FA rule

Joseph or R. Marshall + Weddle would be the ideal.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on May 18, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

I'd happily settle for 1

by AllenOU on May 18, 2011 6:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions

Stop settling

That way we can cut back on the bleach and get back to clean alcohol.

Blind fandom is all I got left.

by LoneSpot on May 18, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions

He also said,

Whatever happens happens,he thinks he is underrated at the position and if you put tape on of the top 5 corners he is right there with them,i lold when he said it but yeah,He also said he isn’t going to take a home town pay cut to stay with pittsburgh.so take that how you will…

1017

by TexanZ 1017 on May 18, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions

Ill talk to him about the space city thing

"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\\"
-mitmil22

by theSpaceCityKid on May 19, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions

We need

Scrabble. It is more than just a high need at corner and vet mentor for rookies. It’s a huge statement to change the Texans going foreword.

If they don’t get him, and they are not in the playoffs this season, it’s gonna take fully nude, lap dancing, smoking hot cheerleaders IN the stands at no additional charge to fill the stadium in 2012 with a randomly selected fan (or fifty) receiving some full service.

I’’d mention storage towers filled with bleach, but the fans on the bleach won’t survive a tenth season of suck.

by MeMongo on May 18, 2011 8:41 PM CDT reply actions

you lost me at "going foreword"

"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\\"
-mitmil22

by theSpaceCityKid on May 19, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions

Then you missed the nude cheerleaders with benefits...

by MeMongo on May 19, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions

I tell you what...

If we can get out of free agency with these guys we looking good.
Allan Branch 6’6 338ILBs NT
Ike taylor
either Gerald Sensabaug or Brodney pool

by southpaw70 on May 19, 2011 9:42 AM CDT reply actions

im just not a

big fan of ike..i think he looks better right now for us because he was part of a great D..its not that hes this great or even above avg CB, hes really just an avg CB but the rest of the team around him makes him look better then he is..although, that bein said, even an avg CB is better then all of our below avg CBs outside of GQ

by Mike Ram on May 19, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

I'm pretty sure he will be in demand, coming from a great D and he will be overpriced and likely get his price

Let me ask this question. And, please, anyone out there answer if you like. How would you compare this year’s version of Ike Taylor to the two years ago version of Dunta Robinson, when the Texans did not sign him and allowed him to be unrestricted; then he went out and scored a huge contract? Look forward to your answers to this comparison.

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on May 19, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions

well first dunta was not coming from a great D.

yea Ike will get overpayed but what corner does not nowadays?

by southpaw70 on May 19, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions

i hear what ur saying here with the money

but if EVERYONE is getting overpaid then thats just the price of a corner right..so why not pay X amount of money towards someone that is actually worth it vs someone who is hyped to be ala drob or ike in this case

by Mike Ram on May 19, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions

That's sound advice

but in practice not so easy to do. Every team has a different opinion of what someone is worth. That’s what makes the world go round.

Let’s look at Albert Haynesworth, for example. I don’t want to go into all the details, but I can tell you, there was only one team that thought he was worth what he got and if you asked them today, they would say he hasn’t been worth it. One example. Easy example. Not all examples are so easy.

Another example. Coming up, Mario Williams; a premier level player who is likely to have the best season of his career this coming season and will look for a good contract that will take him out to the end of his career. My opinion, the Texans need to sign him to a new contract, ASAP, before his performance skyrockets his value, or else their pocketbook will take a huge hit later. Imagine if they don’t sign him and he becomes unrestricted!

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on May 19, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions

you're the one with Steelers roots, RJ

what do you see? countless pass interference penalties?

by Cut Block on May 19, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions

My opinion would be biased

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on May 19, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions

who's on

here isnt??

by Mike Ram on May 19, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions

yep

everyone alive holds bias in some direction or another

by Cut Block on May 20, 2011 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions

well i am not big on him either

but i think we would settle for him.

by southpaw70 on May 19, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions

That's why I detest him

“Settle.” This team needs to stop settling.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on May 19, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions

well if we can't get the other guy

you have to get the next best thing right? i mean i did not know he was about the same size as Nnamdi. only knock would be age but then again nnamdi is not that young either.

by southpaw70 on May 19, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions

Ike Taylor isn't the next best thing, IMO

Nor is the next to the next best thing. He’s just a very meh cornerback who looks better because our pass defense was so terrible. Investing in him isn’t going to change a thing.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on May 19, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions

You cant just give up if we dont get Nnamdi though, either.

I think our FO will weigh the options, look at the books, the new cap situation and come up with a figure that they can comfortably offer Nnamdi without compromising our future. If he goes for way more than that, then I’m sure they look to the next tier of talent and try to get the next best player available in their eyes. Wade will use what he has when the season starts to design his schemes, if Nnamdi is a part of it I’m sure it will make his and KJax lives easier, but if not we at least need an average one with veteran experience to lead and NOT be a gaping hole for Wade to have to compensate for all the time.

"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\"
-mitmil22

by theSpaceCityKid on May 19, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions

I never said that

but I don’t view Ike Taylor as the parting gift. I think he’s being overrated on the site.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on May 19, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions

I think evryone on here is just used to speaking in

“worst case scenarios”

"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\"
-mitmil22

by theSpaceCityKid on May 19, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs

Rec

worst case scenarios= texans & reality based fanbase

by Mike Ram on May 19, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions

ok, i think the comparision

is perfect because they are so smiliar in most ways..but we NEEDED to keep drob that year..but to take ike now, would be almost takin a step back because even if Ike is a slight step up from what we have he doesnt fix nething..like u mentioned just becuase atl gave dunta the big contract didnt make him the CB he once was..same thing, i think, would happen in taking Ike..give the guy a ton of money but he doesnt play up to the how much we would be payin for

by Mike Ram on May 19, 2011 9:58 AM CDT reply actions

Disagree on drob.

We needed to sign a veteran FA corner, and not rely on Quin and Jackson. Not signing Cunta was absolutely the right move. He’s not good, and he wanted too much. There were other options then, and there will be this free agency, but you’re going to hear the words “settling for” a lot in both cases. The biggest difference now is, we have a good to great coordinator to make the best of whatever the players bring talent-wise.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on May 19, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

by Barryfromtexas on May 20, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs

so I could track it down and rec it thrice

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on May 20, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions

Yes, yes you can

You should be at peace now

My name is Barry - I am from Texas

by Barryfromtexas on May 20, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions

/reaches (yet AGAIN) for the eye-bleach

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher

by DilloTex on May 19, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions