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2011 Texans Draft Profile: Taylor (T.J.) Yates

With the 152nd pick of the 2011 NFL Draft, the Houston Texans selected Quarterback Taylor Yates from the University of North Carolina.

If you watched ESPN, Trent Dilfer was bold enough to say that T.J. Yates was the best quarterback in the draft behind Blaine Gabbert. He talked about Yates' pocket presence and the leadership he showed at North Carolina amid the circus they had all last season.

More after the jump...

Star-divide

Tale of the Tape

Hometown: Marietta, GA.

Height: 6'3"

Weight: 219 lbs.

40 yd. time: 5.1

Bench @ 225 lbs.: N/A

Awards

Two-Time ACC Rookie of the Week, 2007

Two-Time ACC Offensive Back of the Week, 2010

All-ACC Team Honorable Mention, 2010

Selected to play in the NFLPA All-Star Game, 2011

 

T.J. Yates completed over 66% of his passes his senior year and took a big step as a quarterback going from his junior to senior year. He threw for over 3,400 yards and had 19 touchdowns with only 9 interceptions.

Gary Kubiak says he likes that Yates ran a similar offense to the Texans and that Yates reminded him of Matt Schaub. Kubiak is known for developing quarterbacks and adding Yates gives the Texans a possibility of a signal caller for the future.

With Yates being drafted, it can be expected that it might be the end of the road for Dan Orlovsky or Matt Leinart. Hopefully it is Orlovsky, but we will leave that for a later discussion.

Not many analysts were very high on Yates, but he has a chance to learn in Houston from some good veterans in Matt Schaub and Andre Johnson. Yates knows he is not in line for starting anytime soon, but he could provide vital down the road in future seasons.

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Initially, I didn't like it

But after hearing that Butch had him study Texans film at UNC, I came around. Especially if it means Orlousy is potentially gone.

by Mike Kerns on May 2, 2011 11:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Yes

That it is sir.

"Kenny your a knucklehead." -Charles Barkley
"If winning isn't everything, then why do they keep score?" - Vince Lombardi

by Patrick D. Starr on May 2, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, it's okay if I disagree with stuff you say?

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on May 2, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aren't you going to ask what it is I disagree with?

Uh, too late, I already addressed it in another thread

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by Rip Jersey on May 3, 2011 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I personally think that Pat Delvin (Delaware) is the better prospect..

..but I do like TJ Yates. He has the necessary height, arm-strength, quickness in the pocket and he has big hands. On another note, I think that whoever we can pay less next year is the 2nd stringer we should keep. I feel that Leinart will come cheaper than Orlovsky but I honestly couldn’t care less. Also, I’m a fan of bringing Jerrod Johnson into camp (whenever that will be) and have him lose about 25 lbs. I think he’s another “good character” type player that we can convert into a possession WR or he can be utilized as a change of pace QB when the Texans seem fit. I foresee the Texans becoming super-creative offensively this year.

by ChadillacSHSU on May 2, 2011 12:10 PM CDT reply actions  

When are we going to address all of the FA's out there..

There is some HUGE talent out there to be had.. I’m just curious to find out the reasons that some of those Safeties went undrafted. (see: Joe Lefeged, DeAndre McDaniel, Jeron Johnson, and Deunta Williams)

by ChadillacSHSU on May 2, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

McDaniel

threw a comforter over his girlfriend, strangled her, punched her repeatedly in the face and chest, and then threw her down a flight of stairs.

The strong do what they have to do; the weak accept what they have to accept

by Riott on May 2, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

Good luck getting a job, DeAndre. EEEEEESH. Who the hell would want to root for this guy?

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on May 2, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ben Roethlisberger?

Clay Bennett? Leonard Little?

I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!

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by UprootedTexan on May 2, 2011 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ray Caruth

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on May 3, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think the Johnson position you talk of

is a position that the Texans have room for on their roster. Just don’t see it.

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by Rip Jersey on May 2, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually

Devlin’s arm strength was a big, big knock on him. Wouldn’t be a bad practice squad stash for Houston while he gets his arm stronger though.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on May 2, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pat Devlin?

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on May 2, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

oops

I r dumb

These hands will always be rough

by nolander on May 2, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Will this guy under throw Dre?

Is the real question.

My attitude is like a virgin......I dont give a fuck!

by The Abrego on May 2, 2011 12:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Is that a shot at Schaub?

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by Rip Jersey on May 2, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

small one, my only knock on Shaub.

That shit kills me….AJ should never be caught from behind

My attitude is like a virgin......I dont give a fuck!

by The Abrego on May 2, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why wait?

I want DanO to be history and I hope they sign Leinart to backup Schaub next season. I think the team stands a chance at winning some games if they have to go to him. I don’t like our chances with DanO.

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on May 2, 2011 12:13 PM CDT reply actions  

chances dont look good with either

Dan has better physical tools, though. And 3rd year in this offense is around the time things begin to “click” for many QBs. He’s been here longer, so he may be a safer bet FWIW. Hope we get some preaseason games to find out for sure…

by Cut Block on May 2, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Larry Fitzgerald would like a word with you

I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.

by DaGoaT on May 2, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

you see who we getting

i would be so fucking thrilled but for some reason i would like alshon jeffries still dont ask me why.

by southpaw70 on May 2, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice

I’m buying a houston/ blackmon jersey!!!

by Carter Liles on May 2, 2011 12:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Based on that draft....

WR is either a big need for a lot of teams or there is some talented WR’s in that years draft or a combo of both. All 4 looked good when I saw them play though Michael Floyd will probably fall because of character concerns. I don’t think he’ll be the first WR taken. I see Alshon Jeffrey going #1 over Floyd and Broyles because Broyles is a little undersized for the position.

by Tony Ung on May 2, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he'll be available at 32

;-)

"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett

by Drill Sarge on May 2, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

I was thinking the same thing. Fuck picking at 20, I want #32. Or at the very least 29 or 30.

by LedTexan on May 2, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well..

Janoris Jenkins won’t play next year since he’s been dismissed from the team so he’s going to have a lot of teams mark him with a red flag due to character concerns. He’s a good value at the 18th-25th pick though.

by Tony Ung on May 2, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Janoris Jenkins will likely enter the 2011 NFL Supplemental Draft

If a team’s desperate, they’ll spend a 2012 2nd rounder on him. I would expect someone to bid a 3rd rounder on him.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on May 2, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh yeah

totally forgot about the supplemental draft. He’s definitely worth a third rounder because of his talent but a second rounder is kinda risky.

by Tony Ung on May 2, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

At first i did not like the pick

But they say they ran our offense so i can get to like this pick. just wonder if he would have fail to the 7th?

by southpaw70 on May 2, 2011 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think he would have

Washington could have been looking at him too

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on May 2, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

In my early mocks

I had Yates to Houston in the 7th. I thought, just by looking at his YouTube footage, that he reminded me of a Kubiak QB. Accurate from the flats to intermediate zone, could roll out and not lose much accuracy….had a decent enough play fake. I though his insane Pro Day bumped him too high for the radar, but they really liked what they saw. You hear that UNC has a lot of Texans-like offensive system and it makes more sense.

It’s a pick that makes sense. If he develops like Schaub did then he turns into a good back-up/potential starter who could play here or be flipped for a higher pick a la Matty from the Falcons. It’s like Draft 101 strategy to do this with a late round QB. It’s a move that makes sense from a lot of different angles….and I haven’t even brought up the Dan O sucks angle.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on May 2, 2011 1:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Dan O

Dan O has pocket awarness, O wait he ran out the back of the endzone in Detroit.

"Kenny your a knucklehead." -Charles Barkley
"If winning isn't everything, then why do they keep score?" - Vince Lombardi

by Patrick D. Starr on May 2, 2011 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah, dude was gonna get sacked if he didnt move

giving the guy BS for rolling out a step out of the end zone is weak sauce, when Jared Allen had just ole’d the left tackle. The idiot on that play was Martz, for even calling the pass.

Not to say l’ve ever seen DannO make a read, but always mentioning that play is just petty nit picking, hilarious as it might be.

by Cut Block on May 2, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

what?

You mean the time Orlovsky got pressured out of the End Zone?

by Cut Block on May 3, 2011 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fighting

Carr has battle fight in him, that is why he got sacked alot. Did I mention that Carr’s hair used to be awesome.

"Kenny your a knucklehead." -Charles Barkley
"If winning isn't everything, then why do they keep score?" - Vince Lombardi

by Patrick D. Starr on May 2, 2011 1:23 PM CDT reply actions  

His hair was cool

Then you stole it!

by AllenOU on May 2, 2011 1:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

SHHHHHHHH

Top Secret brother!

"Kenny your a knucklehead." -Charles Barkley
"If winning isn't everything, then why do they keep score?" - Vince Lombardi

by Patrick D. Starr on May 2, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it was a smart pick

With not knowing how all of the FA thing will go and many of us feel Dan-O just doesn’t have it. I remember the wrong helmet deal – kind of shows me he isn’t ready to step in.

Leinart – unless he has changed his work ethic will never be ready to do much

My name is Barry - I am from Texas

by Barryfromtexas on May 2, 2011 2:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I forgot to add

I think ths kid may be able to make it to #2 depending on whet else happens

My name is Barry - I am from Texas

by Barryfromtexas on May 2, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Booty outplayed Dan O in every way last preseason

And he didn’t even make the team. I don’t see any way Yates makes it to 2nd on the depth chart unless Leinart walks AND Dan O is cut.

by Mike Kerns on May 2, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Booty technically earned the job last year

He suffered a throwing shoulder injury that he had continued to play through, but our staff ultimately decided against rostering him.

by Cut Block on May 2, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Who am I kidding about them getting rid of Orlousy

My name is Barry - I am from Texas

by Barryfromtexas on May 2, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a good question

Does anyone even believe in Dan-O anymore?

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on May 2, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

after last preseason, l finally began to have serious doubt

but l have seen minor evolution since he first arrived, and would be interested in one more looksie this preseason

but, no, l cant say l expect anything positive enough to warrant confidence, though l have seen bigger turnarounds

by Cut Block on May 2, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, actually

When he was first signed, people were really high on him as the backup based on how he played for the Lions in 2008. unfortunately, two years of suckitide in the preseason have soured everyone’s opinion of him.

/historylesson

by SATexan on May 2, 2011 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

in all fairness to the kid

he has a big arm that was well suited to the Lions offense at the time. He showed some flashes.

Koobs’ offense is a different beast, than the one Martz employed in Motown. O has had to evolve into the more cerebral, more precise, more intermediate, passing game. It’s been a very slow transition for him, judging by what l’ve seen in his snaps over two preseasons.

We should be willing to think that Koobs knows what he’s doing in respect to offensive personnel, though this upcoming camp should be a critical test for Danny.

by Cut Block on May 3, 2011 3:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

We have been OU'ed

My name is Barry - I am from Texas

by Barryfromtexas on May 2, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe he was expecting an answer right away?

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by Rip Jersey on May 2, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

My need for Dan-O information

Cannot be understated.

Needs more nose tackle.

by JimboTexan on May 2, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

#Kubiakbelievesinhim

I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!

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by UprootedTexan on May 2, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny.

Blind fandom is all I got left. That and this bottle of Clorox. And this Drano. And this lamp. And this paddle ball game.

by LoneSpot on May 3, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kubiak

also believed in Carr, and Orlovsky, and Leinert. So far they havent panned out. I am willing to give them more time, but so far, Kubes faith in them hasn’t proved to be very accurate.

by BleachBum on May 3, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kubiak had no other choice other than to “believe” in Carr.

His sucess rate is still better than many coaches. Developing Matt Schaub automatically puts the Kubiak Texans ahead of many franchises, some of whom go multple decades without a substantial passing game.

Have we even seen Orlovsky or Leinart take regular season snaps for us yet? No.

So, why the panic?

by Cut Block on May 4, 2011 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I give a minutia of the credit for Schaub developing to Kubiak, because he gave Schaub and opportunity and a system that works

I give 98% of the credit to Schaub. If he didn’t have the talent and the will to learn and perform at a high level, he wouldn’t develop. All he needed was the opportunity. Schaub has the drive and has put in the time. Kubiak is paid to coach. He’s just doing his job in coaching Schaub. Kubiak has not slacked off on that. Not saying that. Just saying that Schaub is the guy that gets the credit for his hard work in developing timing with his receivers and learning the subtleties of the position.

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on May 4, 2011 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh, and l agree with that

and it’s quite fair to say that the ‘WCO’ provides ample opportunity for QBs as well as other skill positions

still, Kubiak (as well as most who employ the ‘WCO’) have impeccable taste in QBs… and the track record shows it. Meanwhile, plenty of organizations are more than happy to mortgage their futures on Ryan Leafs, Vince Youngs, Tim Tebows, and David Carrs… et cetera, et cetera, et cetera

someone also brought up Jake Plummer and Brian Griese, who also had some very nice seasons with Kubiak

by Cut Block on May 4, 2011 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Plummer and Griese

I will say that they both had some modicum of talent, also, and rose to the level that they were capable of.

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on May 4, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

seems their talents were maximized with Kubiak, l agree

Plummer stunk it up pretty badly in Arizona IMO. Really, their talents were pretty moderate, like Scahub’s, and the system/opportunity milked out their very best NFL performances

Don’t get me wrong, l’m not trying to take anything away from these three QBs, but they certainly didn’t regress under Kubiak. Well, no, Griese did a little, but not nearly as much as he did after he moved on to other teams.

by Cut Block on May 4, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just for the sake of argument

part of Schaub’s development was in Atlanta, and he really bloomed when we subsequently hired Atlanta’s qb coach. But I am not saying Kube’s cant coach qb’s (I think he can). I am saying he said he believed in these guys when they just didnt have what it takes.

by BleachBum on May 4, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

what else was he supposed to say about Carr?

one of the decisions in hiring Koobs, was likely an attempt at salvaging the Carr draft choice. It was part of the deal.

Who was Atlanta’s QB coach? Greg Knapp? Not only did Knapp coach Schaub, but l believe he worked with Koob in SF. Either way, they both come from the Walsh tree. Fair to think Knapp would have landed here anyway, or conversely, if he hadn’t landed here Schaub would have turned out the same.

And who doesn’t have what it takes? Leinart or Orlovsky? Let one of them make a single start with the Texans, then get back to us.

by Cut Block on May 4, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like I said originally

I am willing to wait and see a little longer on Leinart and Orlovsky, but so far they havent shown it. So when Kubes says he “believes in someone”, I take that with a grain of salt because so far, his success ratio in evaluating qb talent isnt that good in my opinion

by BleachBum on May 4, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with BB

Water generally reaches it’s own level. Although, speaking from experience, water can travel uphill contrary to popular belief.

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on May 4, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

they haven't "shown it", that's for sure

then again, they haven’t even taken a meaningful snap

by Cut Block on May 4, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

true

but what I am talking about is credibility in Kubes when he says he believes in someone. And saying he was forced to say he believes in Carr actually supports this. Honestly, even Kubes himself may not believe in any of this, if these are things he is forced to say, so why should I?

by BleachBum on May 4, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

no, you really shouldn't trust most coaches and their spin

but the proof is in who he brings in. If he brings in an offensive player, being an offensive minded coach, then chances are he has some level of trust in them.

Now guys he inherits, say Carr or Rosenchopper, he has to make the best of the situation, as long as they’re getting paid and his job is to make them work. But does the blame for their failure lie on Koobs? At least let the man fail with his own players, before you turn your nose up at the job he’s done.

by Cut Block on May 4, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am not a Kubiak supporter

He has had success with Schaub. But I place his overall performance as HC as mediocre at best. While he is young and still learning, I have not seen any flashes of brilliance that inspire me. Offense is supposed to be his forte, but I don’t see any innovative plays, techniques, or formations. He has run through a lot of coaches, so picking a good staff doesnt seem to be a strength either. He adjusts to on the field situations very poorly. He is good at PR and the players want to play for him, which is a plus. But overall, I dont think he will ever be a top ten coach.

by BleachBum on May 4, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't care about all time coach rankings, though.

His offenses produce, period, the end. The man has three Super Bowl rings. He’s been around the block a few times, l’d say. The scheme isn’t run of the mill, that’s for sure. We don’t have to wow anyone to accomplish the mission. Steady as he goes.

Yeah, we’ve cycled through assistants like crazy, but then again, this organization probably hasn’t been looked at as many assistant coaches’ ideal situation so far, aside from hometown guys like Wade and Koobs himself. Baby steps.

IMO public relations is something he should really improve upon, actually.

by Cut Block on May 4, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

didnt mean all time coaches

Current coaches is what I meant. The zone blocking is the only thing I see as somewhat different, and that isnt of his doing. He just copied that from the Broncos/Kollar/Dennison. I grant you that it is a good system, and that his offense produces, but defense and special teams are also important. His offense isnt good enough to carry the other two. I would take steady as she goes if it applied to defense and special teams as well as offense.

by BleachBum on May 4, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually the ZBS credit goes to Bobb McKittrick amd Bill Walsh

He knows QB personnel, most Walshian coaches have a nice track record with that, l’d say. You’re entiltled to your opinion, but l fear it’s based in a bleach induced haze. But l certainly understand, and you’re entitled to your pessimism.

The defensive philosophy has been awful. No argument, there. Hopefully we’ve turned that corner now. Some direction there should be just what the doctor ordered. If we happen to finally turn the corner, l’ll be waiting for everyone on the bandwagon with open arms. Until then, l can’t entirely blame you.

by Cut Block on May 4, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do think we will be greatly improved this year

But here is my concern. Wade wasnt Kube’s choice. Frank Bush was. In fact he persued Bush for several years. This is the scenario that concerns me:

1) We are greatly improved this year
2) The defense in particular improves
3) Wade is recognized (again) for doing a great job with a defense
4) We keep Kubes as HC
5) Someone offers Wade a HC position as a result, and he takes it.

Now what????

Granted this is a lot of speculation, but not totally out of the question. Question is, would you be comfortable with that scenario?

by BleachBum on May 4, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about Tom Cable?

and then hire Frank Bush back as an assistant so Cable can give him a well deserved beating

by BleachBum on May 4, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, l know what you're getting at...

but you can’t prove that Koobs didn’t want Wade here. Honestly, l’d imagine he’s pretty thrilled to have some help… any help, in fact.

I honestly don’t see Wade ever getting another HC shot, not even here.

Then again, if we have a super quick turnaround, say we do the ‘unthinkable’ and win the Super Bowl within the next two years… or perhaps just a division title or two… Phillips might just leave a high profile position in his wake, in that scenario.

by Cut Block on May 4, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

interesting

Why? I can see in order to keep his job…do you see something else?

by BleachBum on May 4, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be another mark

in the positive column for Kubes…not sticking with someone who isnt working out like Capers did.

by BleachBum on May 4, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I do

The D wasn’t good.

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on May 4, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree with you there

I think Gary is glad to have Wade on board. He isnt anywhere near stupid. But I dont think he would have hired him on his own.

I dont think Phillips’ lack of success at Dallas is a terrible black mark. I think Jerruh is taking Dallas the same direction Al Davis took Oakland

by BleachBum on May 4, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wade's had three HC stints already, and flunked them all

Wade’s a coordinator at this point. That’s where he’s found success. Not saying it’s fair, because youre right, Jones is a horrible owner. So is Bowlen for that matter.

Did Kubiak personally pluck Bush from Denver? No doubt, really. It sseemed more like a contingency hire, though.

More baby steps for the expansion operation. Again, beggars are hard pressed to be choosers.

by Cut Block on May 4, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

And just to be clear

I dont want Wade as HC here either. But I think someone might hire him. Not everyone is as smart as you and I are :P

by BleachBum on May 4, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Statistically Speaking he didn't

He is a good HC
82 W 59 L
Not many in NFL with better record -
Mike Tomlin
Bill Belichick
Andy Reid
Sean Payton
Mike McCarthy
Mike Shanahan

My name is Barry - I am from Texas

by Barryfromtexas on May 7, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

this pick scares me

Kubes didnt talk about his talent, but rather that he played in a similar system. This suggests someone that could step in immediately in a back-up role rather than be Matt’s eventual replacement. If he is Matt’s eventual replacement this would be a great pick, but if he is just projected to being a back-up, then I hate this pick. I would much rather pick up an old vet in his declining years, than throw a rookie out there ala Rusty Smith on the Titans last year.

by BleachBum on May 3, 2011 1:17 PM CDT reply actions  

That's a very fair criticism of Kubiak

He gets stuck on certain terms that he uses constantly, what you might call Kubiakisms and “he played in a similar system” seems to be a recurring theme to describe why a player is attractive, like that is the determining factor. Yes, it’s gonna save you time Gary, because he played in a similar system, that’s less you have to put into explaining to him WTH it is he is doing wrong, because, coming from a similar system…. he’s prolly effed it up just like that already and been told about it. So, yeh, he’s like light years ahead of the other guy in becoming indoctrinated into your system. So, he’ll know not to question you when you play for field position and punt in sudden death OT from the opponents 40 yard line. No questions there. He knows your system. Wait! Does anyone really know your system?

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by Rip Jersey on May 3, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Texans have drafted 6 QB's in 10 drafts...

2002: Rd. 1 David Carr (unfortunate career and is currently the 3rd or 4th string QB on the Niners. Look for him to be cut as soon as the lockout ends)
2003: Rd. 3 Dave Ragone (was a Texan for 3 years, went to Europe and is currently a coach for the Titans)
           Rd. 6 Drew Henson (we drafted his rights, he played baseball, Dallas gave us a 3rd rounder in 2005 for him and we drafted Vernand Morency with that pick.) {insert sarcastic clap here}
2004: Rd. 7 BJ Symons (we released him after a year and he’s bounced back and forth from Europe and Arena Football)
2008: Rd. 7 Alex Brink (he sat on our practice squad for a year or 2 and now he resides in the CFL)
2011: Rd. 5 TJ Yates (TBD)
In summary, we need to either develop these players or stop drafting them in the later rounds. Tom Brady is the exception, not the rule. I’m tired of wasting picks on a “late round flier”. With that being said, TJ has some skills and he has the size. He needs to learn that playbook from front to back and work on some footwork and hone his skills in reading NFL caliber defense.

by ChadillacSHSU on May 3, 2011 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Well...

On the draft chart, your average 3rd-round pick is worth between five and six times an average sixth-round pick. So if you take six 5th-round picks and manage to turn even one of ‘em into a 2nd or 3rd-rounder, you haven’t wasted much. Our fifth-round safeties have certainly turned out to be pretty lousy, so far.

by Nashmeister on May 3, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I can see why people say that Kubiak can

coach up QBs.... yeh, RIGHT!

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on May 3, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Koobs only chose Brink and Yates from that list

One was a 5th; the other a 7th. Depth picks.

The prior regime spent four picks over five years, plus a 1st on Carr and a 3rd on Ragone. Unbelieveable.

You can tell when a franchise at least has confidence in developing QBs, and when one doesn’t. In the 2011 draft, Carolina, Tennessee, and Minnesota automatically come to mind. They appear to have been as desperate to get lucky on a QB, as Casserly/Capers had been with the Texans.

In fact, Koobs gave up… what was it?… a second round pick in a trade for Schaub, basically right off the bat? And Schaub is nowhere near ideal for this offense, but it’s worked out splendidly for us nonetheless. Pretty safe to say we’ll always be at least decent at the position, no matter who our #1 is, while Kubiak is running the show.

Defensive personnel evaluation is hardly his strong suit, we can say that much. But QBs are rare. He’s earned his paycheck in that regard.

by Cut Block on May 4, 2011 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree on Kubiak. See my post above.

I’m not saying he’s bad. He is good with QBs. But, even he can’t turn a guy with limited talent into a good QB. He can’t do it. The list above are QBs he has worked with and he hasn’t turned them all into even average QBs. Schaub has the talent to be what he is. Schaub turned himself into a good QB through hard work. Kubiak just facilitated him. Schaub is too modest to take the credit. But, he is the one doing it. These other guys on the list never excelled. The common denominator is their lack of pro talent. But, sure, give Kubiak a QB with talent and that QB will develop it to his natural level with hard work. But, that is a long list of untalented QBs.

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on May 4, 2011 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Again, that’s not entirely a Kubiak list. The first four were desperately brought here by the prior regime. Out of those four mentioned, only Carr worked with Kubiak. And in the one season that Kubiak coached him, Carr had arguably his most solid professional season. You can be sure, though, Koobs couldn’t kick him to the curb fast enough. Shame he had to tolerate him for as long as he did.

And, l see what you’re intending to say: lower potential guys aren’t likely to become superstars. Which is fine, although you actually seem to think that they can’t.

I disagree. People can learn; they can grow and improve. Not that they always do, and pro quarterbacks in particular, can be quite difficult for anyone to develop. But it’s not like they’re abundantly available, either.

I’d take my chances on a Kubiak saff fielding a potent NFL passing game, over just about everyone else out there. There is value to having him as our HC.

Now, for the other side of the line of scrimmage…
 

by Cut Block on May 4, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

the fuck?

How many 5th round picks or later do you think stick? 7th round picks are by their nature developmental picks.

You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.

by nolander on May 4, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

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