React: What Were Your Favorite And Least Favorite Picks Of The Texans' 2011 Draft?
I'll have a much more detailed look at what your Houston Texans did in the 2011 NFL Draft within the next day or so, but in the meantime...what was your favorite and/or least favorite pick in the Texans' 2011 draft class?
My candidates await your scorn after the jump.
Without question, my favorite pick of the Texans' latest class is Brandon Harris. I will neither confirm nor deny that I engaged in a vigorous fist pump after the Texans traded back into the second round to grab him. In a perfect world, Harris earns snaps as the nickel corner in a revamped secondary this year. In the most imperfect version of that world, he's Brice McCain, Jr. and sends me further down the road to a liver transplant. For now, though, a man can dream. Oh, and please in no way take the preceding paragraph as any sort of endorsement of the Texans going into the 2011 season without signing a veteran defensive back who can start at CB and/or FS. Harris, Shiloh Keo, and Roc Carmichael are nifty and all, but the Houston defense still needs a lot of help, especially in the secondary.
On the flip side of that cable box coin, I suppose I'd have to say that my least favorite member of the 2011 Houston draft class is Brooks Reed. All the Clay Matthews comparisons ring hollow to me, as they seem to be far more strongly rooted in hair length than anything else. Additionally, I'm always wary of players changing positions when they join the professional ranks, and spending a second-round draft pick on a player who seemed to test better at the NFL Combine than he played gives me pause. All that said, I certainly don't hate the pick, and I do harbor hope that Reed will work out at OLB for the Texans.
What say you, BRB? Who's your favorite and/or least favorite 2011 Texans draftee?
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Wow - Prolific Postings are welcomed
My Fav – for some reason is No-Fly-Zone!
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
My favorite pick of the draft is one that should hand us 2 wins this year
Jake Locker. Love it!
As for us, I like the Brandon Harris pick and I think overall we had a great draft.
by WhiskeyR on May 2, 2011 5:10 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Yeah, I loved the Locker pick for the BESFs
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 3, 2011 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I AM NOT SURE--- JAKE MAY SUPRISE SOME FOLK
HE IS PRETTY ACCURATE AT TIMES…. I ONLY FEEL THAT FAT BASTARD ADAMS WILL RUIN HIM… BUT I HEARD A RUMOR THAT VINCE WILL RETURN…
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
Chris Palmer is his QB coach
Remember the wonders he did with Mittens???
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 4, 2011 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
not to mention their vast WR talent
or years of continuity from a successful aerial attack
those BESFs are offensive mastery; second to none
Lets see
New Head Coach. New Offensive Coordinator. New Defensive Coordinator. New DL coach. New Linebacker coach. New QB.
Ya recipe for year 1 success amirite?
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
You forgot Dave Ragone as WR Coach
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 4, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the best part about this is that since they took Locker
I can’t see them crashing and burning the season to get Andrew Luck next year. Hahahahahahahahahahah!!!
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 4, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Then they trade him as damaged goods to Seattle
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 4, 2011 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 5, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is a bummer, man. That's a bummer.
Mind if I do a J?
by Nashmeister on May 6, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was uncalled for.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 5, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
And that lb coach is Frank Bush.
Oh, the lulz.
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 5, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
CB
Do you see what happened? I feel vindicated in us making the daring pick at #10 for Washington in the mock draft taking Locker. He was thought of very highly by more than one team. The Tits took him at #8 and then the Skins traded out of #10 when he wasn’t available. Very interesting! Kudos to you, bud, for feeling so strongly about him and kudos to me for listening to you. You wrote up a very convincing analysis to back it up that swayed me big-time. Bud must have read it.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
l feel so badly for Locker, though
I really do like the player, but l have such an ominous feeling about him, there, in that historical clusterfuck of an ‘organization’. Gabbert would have been a better pick for them lMO.
I felt strongly that Denver, SF, or Washington might grab Locker. Yes, indeed. I also had a feeling that teams would be falling all over themselves for QBs, early on.
Interesting that Washington traded down afterwards, and didn’t even draft one. Gives you the feeling that the Redskins might have truly been considering him with the 10th pick, right?
Yes, we didn't get a lot of heat for that mock pick, but some questioned it
vindication!
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I intended this for “Tracker J Dunn” further down this thread. Funny how my new tablet likes to post here, in random spots. Bear with me for a little while folks, l’ll be getting another device soon.
:-D
Is that what you got?
Which one?
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The groundhog pops out of his hole....
looks left, looks right, ducks back down…
six more weeks of no CBA, no free agency, no OTAs, no football as we know iiiiitttttt!!!
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It puts the lotion in the basket
Or else it gets the hose again.
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 5, 2011 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
okay, but please don't tell Kim
it’s a Galaxy Tab thingamabobber. Complete with touch screen awesomeness. I’ve got an old desktop that l need to do some work on, as well as a laptop that needs a new battery. I’ll get around to that one of these days, but not soon enough fpr my liking…
Tim Couch fully endorses Chris Palmer
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on May 4, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, Whiskey
He’s been awesome.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on May 2, 2011 6:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Congrats!
If you think of yourselves as helpless and ineffectual, it is certain that you will create a despotic government to be your master. The wise despot, therefore, maintains among his subjects a popular sense that they are helpless and ineffectual.
-Frank Herbert, The Dosadi Experiment
by peytonsurdaddy on May 3, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks, PUD
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on May 3, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Congrats Tim
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Thanks, Dillo
We’re very blessed.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on May 2, 2011 8:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Congratulations, Tim!
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
I have a plan, and it's so cunning you can brush your teeth with it!
by UprootedTexan on May 2, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank You
As he’s only a few days old, I figure I can use his youth as an excuse for at least another 25 years.
/Amobust’d
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by Tim on May 2, 2011 8:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd.... However...
I believe that the proper term for that is /Tim’d
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
My 6 month old
Is still playing that card.
Needs more nose tackle.
Hope you enjoyed your previous hobbies
Signed,
Father of two who has sold off all his toys over the last couple years.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
didn’t know…new to the board… Congratulations on the baby Tim!!!!
by TEXANSNUTT on May 2, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
newbie rec
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Thanks, TN
Welcome to BRB.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on May 3, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Congrats, Tim!
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: For all the great things about dead week, finals week really sucks.
Thanks, Cass
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by Tim on May 3, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Gracias, Tony
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on May 3, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
You're welcome, Tim.
And congrats again. Dad.
Blind fandom is all I got left. That and this bottle of Clorox. And this Drano. And this lamp. And this paddle ball game.
Wait A Minute...
LoneSpot is Tony Ung?
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by Tim on May 3, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It appears so
you should do something about that, like BANNING one of them!
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Oh just read the posts before this..
Why is LoneSpot replying to my post’s reply???
nah, nothing is odd around here
he probably made a mistake and hit the reply button on the wrong post
either that, or he has a nasty device like l do, that goes schizo and places replies in inappropriate places like mine seems to be doing
Just felt like messing with Tim
Sorry to use you, Tony. At the time, it felt a good place to do so. Based on the confusion caused, I see I was right.
Blind fandom is all I got left. That and this bottle of Clorox. And this Drano. And this lamp. And this paddle ball game.
LOL as long as it helps with the confusion, I'm good
especially the person being used. LOL
Thanks, HT
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on May 4, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Yates is my least fave, Wall is my fave
Why Yates? Because I disagree with the “draft a player who played in a similar system” kind of guy who didn’t wow! me in it. To top it all off “some people” think and perpetuate this crazy thought that Kubiak has some perceptible and special skill at developing QBs. That’s complete hogwash. He might like to develop them and he’s happy when they do, but there is not one QB that I can think of that he developed that wouldn’t have developed under another coach. So, yes, drafting Yates under this guise perturbs me. But, good luck to the young man! I hope he develops into the greatest QB ever and wins a lot of games for the Texans, and Kubiak ends up gaining all kinds of accolades in being the guy that saw the talent and then hewed it into the greatness that it has become….but, we’re really getting away from it all now, aren’t we?
And, Watt. How can you deny his athletic ability? Tall, big, strong and doesn’t know the meaning of stopping until the whistle blows. He will be an absolute monster for the Texans. Can’t fail, I tellya! And, did you know? He had the biggest hands at the combine?
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
obligatory "you know what they say about guys with big hands remark"
/ashamed
Add ammonia to your bleach, it goes down smoother.
by CowboyH8ter on May 2, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think kubes
Has done a nice job with matt schaub. For a third round pick from Virginia that doesn’t have the strongest arm, not bad
by AllenOU on May 2, 2011 6:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Totally Agree
Kubes also did good work with Brian Griese and Jake Plummer in Denver, if I recall correctly.
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by Tim on May 2, 2011 6:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
No kidding
Jake freakin Plummer had a stretch where he was REALLY GOOD. Jake. Freakin. Plummer.
He may not be a good HC, but the guy knows everything about offense
by AllenOU on May 2, 2011 7:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Careful, Allen
I hear that people who speak ill of Plummer get visited by Nash. While they’re sleeping.
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by Tim on May 2, 2011 8:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
In retrospect though
You have to be glad we ended up with Schaub and not Plummer.
Needs more nose tackle.
Sure.
Though we’d have had a couple more draft picks to work with. Ultimately the move probably should have been to trade a 4th for Plummer, draft a developmental QB, and build the defense and running game for a few years. Would have been immensely frustrating at times (Plummer will drive you insane), but entertaining, to say the least.
No complaints with Schaub, though.
and thats why
They got Yates… he’ll be the next QB the kubes resume.
by Justin Michael Huestis on May 2, 2011 7:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought Yates was good at NC. But definate believe Kube can do alot with him. Don’t forget even Carr had a pretty good year the year he had Kubeiak to mentor him. I think Yates will take the job from Schaub.
I have to disagree with you on this.
Schaub has his timing down and is the leader of the offense. Yates would have to dominate the preseason and master all of the throws before he could take over. I think he will groom him to replace schaub but it probably won’t be for another two to three years.
Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
by NoSafetiesNeeded on May 5, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
And then, after tutoring his replacement and eventually losing his job to him
Kubiak will then take all the credit for Yates…
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Hnmm
Well let’s get the negative, I HATE the Derrick Newton pick. It doesn’t seem characteristic for them to draft him and seems the offense is rolling the dice hoping he pans. He’ll be practice squad then get cut halfway through.
I LOVE THREE PLAYERS!
J.J Watt, Brandon Harris and Shiloh Keo.
J.J. Because then we can move Antonio inside and if he doesn’t pan maybe a 4th-5th for him?
Brandon Harris because he has confidence and ability. He’s not the biggest CB ever but he can be good in the slot.
Shiloh Keo because of his work ethic and determination. This man(can’t say kid since he’s older) wants to play and wants to win. He’s an all around ST. Safety as a back up but he can bring immense value as a ST. Especially with the Jacoby on the hot seat Shiloh may push him in the return game, along with Trindon.
Houston Texans:
1st Round: J.J. Watt (NT)
2nd Round: Ras-I Dowling/Brandon Harris (CB)
3rd Round: Mark Herzlich (ILB)
4th Round: Shiloh Keo (S)
5th Round: Chris Carter (OLB)
6th Round: Alex Henery (P/K)
7th Round: Stephen Burton (WR)
by CCBach on May 2, 2011 5:27 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'm fairly indifferent towards Newton.
I don’t know a thing about him, though I am always in favor of taking a developmental O-lineman. But Lance Z seems pretty high on him.
I had Newton listed as the "potential steal" of the tackle class when I put together my position rankings last week so I’ll just reiterate what I said about Newton at that time. If there is one thing I love to watch it is an athletic offensive tackle that is raw but willing to learn because those kinds of players can be molded into the types of tackles zone teams salivate over. Newton started for two years at Arkansas State at right tackle and is very raw and in need of technique work. What he does have is enough functional strength and quickness of the feet to play the position so I don’t see any reason that he can’t be coached up. While he will be a project and may end up on a practice squad, I really like his upside.
i like Newtons athleticism (5.0 40 time @ 311lbs)
But thought we should have just resigned Butler and looked for a WR or return specialist w this pick. Although i DO think Newton will turn out to be a serviceable, and most importantly, versatile backup for our squad.
"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\"
-mitmil22
by theSpaceCityKid on May 2, 2011 5:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i like Newtons athleticism (5.0 40 time @ 311lbs)
But thought we should have just resigned Butler and looked for a WR or return specialist w this pick. Although i DO think Newton will turn out to be a serviceable, and most importantly, versatile backup for our squad.
"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\"
-mitmil22
by theSpaceCityKid on May 2, 2011 5:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
OU'd Again
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 2, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
mytouch4G'd
"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\"
-mitmil22
by theSpaceCityKid on May 3, 2011 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions
My favorite had to be the trade up for Harris
Was a good move for a possible #2 starter. I think my least favorite was drafting Roc. I thought we would of gone after another LB to help with depth or free/strong safety. Next least favorite was Newton, thought we would of gone WR
Love the Watt pick.
Three years from now, I think we’ll be talking about it in the same vein as the Mario pick; slightly unconventional, perhaps we had bigger needs at other positions, but without a doubt the best player available (yes, he will have a much better career than Fairley).
Least favorite pick is Brooks Reed. It’s not that I don’t think he’ll be a good player—it’s just that I don’t think he has the potential to be elite. And whereas Wade could probably turn just about anybody into a serviceable linebacker, I don’t see that happening in the secondary. I didn’t even like Rahim Moore, but I think he was the necessary pick at that point for the betterment of our defense.
Whacky prediction: Three years from now, J.J. Watt will have more sacks than Brooks Reed. That’ll be both a testament to Watt’s dominance and Reed’s underwhelming pass-rush ability.
Ill be an underwhelming minority here...
But I LOVE the reed pick. Dudes got a nasty rip, swim, AND spin move. All very refined too. Im a big fan of watt too. Was before the rose bowl. Harris and carmichel have good ball skills. The pick I don’t get is yates? With tcu wideout jermey kerley still on the board?
by Carter Liles on May 2, 2011 6:04 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
What i really like about Reid and Watt....
….is that they both go balls-out until the whistle blows. Watch both on their highlight videos….every play that results in a turnover, they’re downfield throwing blocks. Plays are well downfield and they’re catching runners from behind. Put 2 high work ethic guys like that across from Demeco and Mario, and the WHOLE defense will play harder
by Ezekiel 25 17 on May 2, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
It's kind of "painful" watching Watt chasing a play though.
The guy just looks slow. One of the scouting reports I read did mention not fast in pursuit, but very good burst off the line.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Schaub is getting old..
If he sits 3+ years like rogers.. he can be really good.
by Justin Michael Huestis on May 2, 2011 7:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, and he already has the offense mostly down since he ran it at UNC
That familiarity will shave some time off the learning curve
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 3, 2011 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
ya i hear ya.
My favorite was the Reed pick b/c it hit our biggest need on the spot. And outside of Aldon Smith, Reed was the best answer for OLB. I think the Carmichael pick is going unnoticed. The guy was rated very high at the beginning of the year, and he might very well be a steal. It’s quite possible that in 2 years time, both Harris and Carmichael end up starting for us….maybe. lol.
My fav was Harris
Just bc after the Reed pick I was scared for the secondary. I think Harris will push Kareem HARD for that cb2 spot ALL season, and might end up taking it after Kareem has an injury or something causing him to miss a game and Harris shows out.
Not sure what all the hate on Reed is about, on film the kid looks like he has amazing energy on the field and has a nose for the ball. Talk about play to the whistle, Reed has good hands when shedding blocks and shows sound tackling skills. I think he finds his way on the field no question, and maybe he can get Cush to grow the hair back out!
My least fav picks were both the 7th rounders, i feel Newton at least has some reasoning behind it as an important positon. However, IMO Cheta is a dime a dozen type player that could have been easily had or duplicated by any ol’ UDFA, when we could have made sure we got an absolute steal with Mark Herzlich or the safety from Boise- Johnson, or even made sure we got the second top punter in Chas Henry. Cant help but think they were iust doin a local kid a “solid” and hoping he makes the practice squad and i didnt thknk there was any room for that in our draft.
"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\\\\"
-mitmil22
by theSpaceCityKid on May 2, 2011 6:10 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
c'mon
Cheta’s got a really short commute, so he was green pick.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
+1
No clue what that dude is tweeting
"Kenny your a knucklehead." -Charles Barkley
"If winning isn't everything, then why do they keep score?" - Vince Lombardi
by Patrick D. Starr on May 2, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm waiting for Jacoby to tweet him
and say “Dude, speak English!”
by Mike Kerns on May 2, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Another guy massively overrated
Moore not reed
by AllenOU on May 2, 2011 6:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I quite liked Moore
He just had an off year.
Needs more nose tackle.
Yea, but he’s a decent FREE saftey.. we already have that in Quinn.. Moore can’t tackle, either.
by Justin Michael Huestis on May 2, 2011 7:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 6 recs
Newb rec
Welcome, Justin!
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I don't trust them to sign an actual CB to replace Quinn
I would have preferred to keep him where he’s at and get a safety not named Eugine or Troy.
I remember when I was the newb
Moore would have been a mid third rounder in most drafts, but the safety class in this one was AWFUL. He is decent, but in year one wouldn’t be any better than quin or even Nolan IMO. Im glad we passed and and went pass rusher instead. Wade can make him a star.
Welcome
by AllenOU on May 2, 2011 7:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
They drafted two CBs
Not to mention the new DB coach alone should result in a massive upgrade
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 3, 2011 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
No, they took him a few picks later
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 3, 2011 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
For me, it was J.J. Watt....
I was thrilled because A) I thought they’d go DE pre-draft B) kept saying that they’d pass on Robert Quinn C) it wasn’t Robert Quinn D) they got the draft’s best 3-4 DL and E) Have you heard this guy talk? He’s confident without being cocky….he’s a guy that I know people are gonna love because he’s gonna bust his ass and get things done.
The Reed and Harris picks were ones I thought they’d make….love those guys as well. Can’t complain about nailing three talents like that.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Least favorite was Cheta
He coulda been a UDFA….we coulda nabbed someone like Herzlich or Deunta Williams.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on May 2, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Needed our token
Local college player.
Needs more nose tackle.
Whoa there.
Are you implying that James Casey isn’t guaranteed to be the greatest tight-end of all time? Blasphemy! Did you see how great he looked in those 14 career catches?
Or...
That he can be our Wildcat QB, FB, HB, TE, long-snapper, and popcorn seller? All in the same play?
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Come to think of it...
He would make a great DE!
by Its Gonna Happen on May 2, 2011 9:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea.
I noticed it after OD signed his contract extensions. There were a lot of reasons to question that contract, but the “Casey is just as good as OD” argument was one of the weaker ones.
Caseys as good a reciving tight end as we got
In fact, I bet kubiak, is gonna make him our fullback since he’s not gonna hop daniels for a staring job
by Carter Liles on May 2, 2011 10:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't know about least fave
It really depends on what they do with Watt. To me, not addressing NT directly was a horrible decision, and every time Cody sees the field, we’re waving a white flag at the position. Equally confusing, why draft Watt when you have Mario and Smith? If we go Smith-Watt-Mario and Barwin-ILB-Cushing-Reed, that’ll be interesting. Standing Mario up could also be great. But, really, passing on Fairley just confuses me.
I really disliked the idea of Harris in the 1st or, to be honest, even in the 2nd. But we got Watt then Reed, so Harris became our third pick. Truly, I think it was an outstanding move by Smithiaklips.
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by bigfatdrunk on May 2, 2011 7:26 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Your expectations were a bit misguided
Come on, Wade rants and raves about Earl Mitchell and they resign Shaun Cody….what’d you expect them to do? They were never going to burn an early pick on a NT. Now, hopefully….they go after Ian Williams cause I think it’d be a shrewd move.
And people keep giving you reasons on Fairley…the biggest probably being he’s inconsistent and lazy. He’s not gonna give you 100% all the time and the theme of the class was to add talent who didn’t need to be motivated or coddled like a child.
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by TexansDC on May 2, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And for emphasis
I would really like Ian Williams in Houston. Guy played the nose at NT, stout….can hold the POA….not really gonna be a pass rusher, but he could man the NT a lot better than Cody (not saying much) and would be a nice sledgehammer to compliment Mitchell’s style.
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I wouldn't mind Blaine Sumner either
That dude just looks beastly
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by The Night Owl on May 3, 2011 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
And cause I like talking to myself
Wade’s comments on Watt….it kinda sounds like he wants Watt to beat out Antonio for the DE spot. He kept talking about Mario and JJ at ends.
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That's the feel I'm getting, too
Eh, at least we’d be down one stupid personal foul/game.
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I wonder if Wade would....
put Antonio in the nose? I would say get rid of him, but he’s made mention of him in the 4-man fronts.
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Mario/Mitchell/Smith/Watt?
That’s less objectionable than no NT at all.
Needs more nose tackle.
Smith sucks
against the run and I bet Wade doubts his ability to hold the edge… that and JJ probably won’t average 2 penalties per game. Smith will probably be used on passing downs I’m guessing. Don’t get me wrong, I respect Smith as a pass rusher, but that’s it. I think Watt was a great pick and improves the front 7 significantly. I bet he sees more snaps than Smith next season.
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The technique factor doesn't work with this D
It’s a 1-gap system. Fairley could handle that with aplomb. It’s not like we’d be asking him to do DiffEq while rushing the passer.
I’ll be interested to see them both play. To me, Fairley is a disruptive force. He was a monster in the Nat’l Championship game. But he was also my guy going back to BEFORE 2010 started. He’s who I’ve wanted for a while. To leave him there, in my opinion, is perplexing.
Watt is fine, but he seems like a safe, conservative choice. Fairley is the high-ceiling guy. And if we’re supposed to have so much blind faith in Phillips, it seems illogical to me that we couldn’t expect Fairley to kick his intensity up to another level.
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by bigfatdrunk on May 2, 2011 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Consider what they've talked about doing with Watt:
Playing all three positions in a 3-man front; inside or outside in a 4-man front, dropping back into coverage… If you like versatility and the ability to show opposing offenses a plethora of different looks, then I think you’d be hard-pressed to argue that Fairley fits this defense better. I don’t see Watt’s ceiling wouldn’t be just as high, either. He only played two years of defensive end, improved his production to phenomenal level, and he has the physical attributes to be as dominant as anybody. He’s considered a safe choice because he has a high motor and plays the run well, but I don’t see why he couldn’t become the best 3-4 end in the game.
As for the last line; Phillips isn’t exactly a leader of men. Great defensive mind? Absolutely. But he’s not exactly known for rousing the troops. If Fairley has motivation issues, I don’t think Phillips is the best guy for him.
by Nashmeister on May 2, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Gotta admit, Nash
Your final point is well-taken.
Here’s my deal with the pick. I’m tired of watching Texans NTs being turned around and driven five yards down the field in the wrong direction. It’s really starting to get to me, yet, we continue to ignore the problem as an organization. I don’t get it.
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by bigfatdrunk on May 2, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
there's more than one way to skin a cat
and I swear the first person I recall saying that was a football coach named Bum. Yea, I’m a Phillips fanboi and I think a lot of Texans fans are too after next season.
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oops
damn keybrd:P “I think a lot of Texans fans will be too after next season.” yea, that’s better.
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Rec'ing all of your posts for reading my mind.
All the rationalizations against remind me of all rationalizations in years past. “They can do this and that with such and such to make do.” Which is why we are here talking about STILL needing an actual, living, breathing, badass in the middle in the team’s 10th year.
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Rec'ing
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One day
We shall our tackle friend, one day, after Gary Kubiak has gone to his reward.
Needs more nose tackle.
Our NT is hiding in Colorado
Blane Sumner is his name
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by The Night Owl on May 3, 2011 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Rep that man!!
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I like the idea of having depth
and not having to play Williams and Smith every snap, ala the Giants and Titan’s dlines when they are at their best
These hands will always be rough
A good point, nolie
I don’t know how many defensive linemen can take every single snap and maintain their effectiveness
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I think "Smadeiak" is alot more fluent than Smithiak-lips lol
I'm looking forward to bigger and better things from the Texans this year... I've decided to start fresh and refocus on the things that matter... thats right... I speak of SKIN BLEACH! no need to burn your throat.. it can't feel it anymore anyways! apply directly to the skin or eyes and let the mind blowing pain steal your focus from the disaster on the field!
by BattleRedHusker on May 3, 2011 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions
PhilSmithiak?
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Waryick?
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Wadaryck?
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Damn ears keep hitting the space-bar
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This is what I needed
I’m officiallly getting a reed jersey, because now it’s a lock he will be awesome and with the team forever. Yeyo!!!!!!
by AllenOU on May 2, 2011 7:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
For some reason, I'm more excited about Reed than Watt
Watt just looks slow to me. And all the tackles in his videos seem like ankle tackles. But I’ll wait and see him in preseason before I make any real assumptions.
Yep, saw the same thing.
One play I saw, he had a RB dead to rights, but instead of squaring up, wrapping up, and planting the RB in the dirt, he slid to the side and tried to arm tackle the RB around the waist.
My only knock on him. Hope Wade can coach that out of him…..or some assistant coach.
Just my $.02
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by AllenOU on May 2, 2011 8:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Watt's power & skills will benefit Reed more by drawing tackles away from him
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by The Night Owl on May 3, 2011 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Hah! Didn't even pick up on that.
Tim, can you blindly hate this class and say they’ll never live up to Amobi Okoye’s young shadow?
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Did you know
That Amobi Okoye was born in 1987, the same year as Brooks Reed, Shiloh Keo, T.J. Yates, and Derek Newton? Did you also know that he has less potential than all of them?
Needs more nose tackle.
by JimboTexan on May 2, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Am I the only one thinking about a new bash bro team
In Reed and Cush. He’s missed his long lost long haired brother Clay, so they went out and got him the third best thing….
by Its Gonna Happen on May 2, 2011 8:09 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I remember the last time this here blog had an idea like this
Before the 2008 season. So, ummmmm, yeah.
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This one might work though!
Oooooh I gotta good feeling about this one!
by Carter Liles on May 2, 2011 8:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Let me guess, Casey was the next best thing?
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by The Night Owl on May 3, 2011 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Casey Matthews
Receives way more hype than he deserves IMO. Were he not the brother of Clay, he would be overlooked a lot more. His smaller size will limit him to special teams in Philly unless they get desperate should they lose Bradley. Reed is the next best thing!! I hope.
by brightshinies on May 3, 2011 1:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Disclaimer -- I have never watched college football or kept up with the players
so I won’t pretend to be an expert, and most of what I know about our new additions comes from opinions of people I also don’t know.
With that said, I like the Watt pick the best. Largely because I was scared to death they’d be taking another defensive back (Prince A) and trying to force him into a starting position on Day 1. Obviously we’ve seen the results of that. Defensive backs so rarely play to their potential as rookies, that while I feel like the jury’s still out on Kareem, I certainly didn’t want to see a rerun of his rookie year. Watt seems like a versatile guy that opens up options and packages that we didn’t have before with the front seven.
I’ve seen a lot of people griping that DE was our strongest position on defense. That may be true, but just because it’s the best-smelling turd in the crapper doesn’t make me want to eat it. We’ve got one solid 3-4 end (Smith), who’s said publicly he’s not happy about going back to that scheme, one who should be good (Mario) but hasn’t played the position before, and a bunch of scrubs with “potential” who were also selected for a 4-3. That may be the strongest group we have, but it’s still goddamn weak in my mind, and to ignore it would be…well…would be akin to my least favorite draft pick:
No nose tackle. My least favorite pick is not a pick but an omission. Does Wade really believe that Mitchell and/or Cody is the answer for a 3-4 nose? Or is he thinking they will pursue one in free agency and not draft anyone for depth? Would it hurt to have a backup NT instead of, say, a 4th QB? And if he’s thinking free agency for a nose tackle, has he even met Rick Smith before? This glaring failure to address a serious need in any way makes me question my own faith in Wade to turn around our defense.
Nope, it’s still there, never mind.
by JBal on May 2, 2011 9:46 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I’m not really worried about the NT…
I have a feeling we are going to get cutting edge with this defense. We have 4 above average DT’s 2 awesome DE’s that are athletic as hell a bunch of LB’s that are pretty good and a young agressive secondary…. I think Wade is gonna have so much flexability with the schemes and different ways to bring pressure that it’s gonna be hard to tell what alignment we are in until seconds before the snap. ust a thought based on the personel, listening to what the coaches have been saying and seeing where the future is heading. With all these option and wild cat look offensive the game is starting to evolve and Wade seems to be ridive the wave of change….IMO
I like your DE reasoning.
And to elaborate on Antonio Smith: I’m not sure how good he was in the 3-4… Arizona certainly never boasted a strong defense, and he was inconsistent against the run (one good year, a couple of average to below-average years), and really didn’t get to the QB (his sack numbers were similar, but his hurry numbers were abysmal). He’s not small by any means, but he might even be undersized for Wade’s scheme, which usually uses 300 pounders on the ends.
Favorite pick was Brandon Harris for sure and I would imagine every one else loves this pic too. But I also loved the Shiloh Keho pick. I knew when I watched the East West Shrine game Phillips would pick him even if he did have to take him a little higher than everyone else did. If you haven’t seen the game. Keho was everywhere. If Wade can get that from him every week we are set at SS.
Hated the Cheta Ozwhatever pick. I understand it because of the home town kid thing. I support that but at the same time, it was the last pick he is in town. I’m pretty sure we coulda got him UDFA. I would have taken McDaniel the safety I’m pretty sure he went to Clemson or Herzlich for the story the work ethic and production and mainly to piss off New England and thier spoiled fans.
I too didn’t like the Brooks Reed pick and also think the resemblence to Clay Matthews is why he is here. A little buyers remorse. I personally was “bangin the table” for Dontay Moch or Sam Ocho. Both projects, but I think have higher ceilings…just my 2 cents
Reed is not here because matthews
He may have been rates higher due to Matthews success…
He was drafted because of his 10 yard split and upside as a pass rusher. He also showed multiple pass rush skills at the SB. Wade will make him into a star. He should be free to come off the edge with some decent talent around him
by AllenOU on May 2, 2011 11:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
As underwhelming as the pick was for me initially,
I now LOVE the Watt pick at #11. But that wasn’t nearly as impressive as the Texans trading back into 2nd for Harris and down in 4th for the additional picks. I was disappointed we didn’t get S Quinton Carter before Denver nabbed him (I swear they had my big board!) but in retrospect trading back there looks like a shrewd move and we ended up with Shilo Keo- whom I think will become a very popular player for the Texans even if he is just a backup SS and an elite special teamer.
I don’t really have any picks I don’t like. Reed looks like a value pick that fills a need (I had him mocked to Green Bay at #32) and I think we really needed the Yates pick. I wish Leinart wasn’t on the roster and I think Orlovsky’s ceiling is pretty low. We need a backup and one that has the potential to start in a few years. To get such a prospect in the 5th round in a draft that saw teams reaching for QBs left and right is damn good fortune if you ask me. I’m also fine with the O line prospect and the OLB from Rice so long as those are the guys Kubiak and Phillips wanted respectively. I’ve trusted Kubes’ appraisal of offensive talent for awhile now, but now I can finally trust the DC with the other side. That was my favorite part of this draft:)
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before everyone crowns keo as the next
Sean taylor, consider what ur praising him for. He’s a db, I don’t care if he has a motor or plays hard, that’s what u need on the dline. You need someone who is smart and instinctive. Watch his highlight reel and I doubt anything from the bsu game will be in there. He got abused in coverage, then his soul taken by the running back
by texan80 on May 3, 2011 12:47 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
My favorite pick was #254 - Ozougwu
Cause once the draft was over I could write three of the five papers I have due this week… I fell so far behind watching every damn minute of this draft. I was mentally and physically drained by the end of the weekend. (yes, I even took off last Friday just to sleep in cause I was up so late, us ‘East Coasters’ got the short of of the stick on this newer draft schedule.)
But on a more serious note, I think that picking up Wade was our best pick. Let us be honest, this draft was 99% his mastery. Just signing him as DC improved our chances by 1000% (yeah, a full thousand percent) This draft also has the potential to pan out to be the best of any team (with Need vs BPA) in the last 10 years. I am stoked for whenever football starts again, just to see the drastic improvements of bringing in a new DC, this new group of rookies and (hopefully) a couple key FA signings can do. I am stoked for 2011 2012 Football!
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by Kiratomi on May 3, 2011 2:32 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
My favorite pick was Watt.
I really like that he brings a more technical skillset to the position to complement the brute force approach of Mario. We’re going to have a very amorphous front seven, and that is going to be a huge asset in and of itself.
My least favorite pick was Travis Johnson. Even if we didn’t draft him this year. Because he is horrible.
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I think your comment on Watt is interesting
Because, I think Watt at almost 6’-6", and 290 will also be bringing the wood. Anyone who plays with that intensity, with that size, and is ready to run through a wall if needed is is going to be an asset. Also, I hope his attitude is infectious. Brooks Reed, though smaller and quicker, is the same type of player and actually may get more playing time off the bat.
Travis Johnson is always a great pick FTL. While on that, did we get anything for him? A draft pick? Who was it? I don’t know, but I would like to know.
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I think we got Trindon Holiday for TJohnson...
..talk about a slap in the face..
by ChadillacSHSU on May 3, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
The most positive thing you can say about the trade
is that it greatly lowered food costs for the team.
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No doubt he will be physical.
But from what I’ve seen (and granted, this does not make me an expert) he’s got refined swim, rip and spin moves. So whereas Mario is just going to use his weightspeed to get by o-linemen with his unholy bull rush, Watt can come at you in a variety of ways. But yeah, he’ll still hurt you.
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 4, 2011 3:50 AM CDT up reply actions
i can't really complain about the draft...ok a few things
i would of took Davon House over Carmicheal. T.J Yates if he pans out is a superb pick, but i didn’t like it. I would of took Jerrel Powe or Greg Jones. Mr. Irrevelant would definately been Herzilech or Duenta. But all in all, I can’t complain, it was a great draft. And I really like the Brooks Reed Pick! Also i did watch the combine live and Keo was one of the few safeties that stood out to me. His footwork is perfect and i’m sure he has better instincts than anything we have had, is baby fat will come off with our trainer and he will naturally be faster.
there are still some potentially good players that went undrafted, one of you brb managers need to make a post of potential targets. and we can discuss.
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Nose
All inall I was happy with the 2011. Only complaint: NT. We are switching to a 3-4 (albeit Wade’s modified 3-4) without a nose, and we didn’t even take one with 2 picks in the 7th.
I’d have gone nose where we took that OT. The Newton pick really felt like a token O-line pick to me. We could have used a nose (aka a position of need). No-one on our roster is a legit first and second down NT in the NFL. There are a couple undrafted we could look at:
Antonio Jeremiah Mich ST 6’5 360 (really like him just based on the size)
Ian Williams ND 6’1 320
Anthony Gray S Miss 6’1 330
by EasyT367 on May 3, 2011 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
According to Wade, he has 2 noses on the roster.
Many don’t like it, but it’s not as if he thinks there is a hole there.
/signing Ian Williams would make me a happy fellow.
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I think we only go after Ian Williams
to create depth at the NT position. I mean, if they didn’t go after a NT, wade must seriously believe that the combo of cody and mitchell is good or one stands out from the other, that’s why he’s sticking with what he had. Again, wade is the guy who turned Jay Ratliff into a serviceable NT so I’d like to think he knows what he is doing when it comes to evaluating the NT position.
So you're ok with having the smallest NT in the league?
because that’s exactly what Cody/Mitchell combo is.
Meh.....
Ratliff is 6-4 303, Mitchell is 6-3 291 and Cody is 6-4 304, plus in Wade’s 3-4, he doesn’t require the massive NT like other 3-4’s.
Post Wade...
And now that Ryan is DC in Dallas, Ratliff will be a DE.
It’s really a symptom of a greater issue to me.
We take these half @ss solutions and act tlike they’re great. It’s the same as us always trying to move CBs to FS. If we could just sign or draft a real one we could stop pretending to have an answer that we don’t actually have. It would just be nice to have a starter at each postion that has actually played that postion before (or in the NT case is the requisite size to play it effectively).
by EasyT367 on May 3, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I do agree with you that the Texans
don’t value the FS position and tend to try to fix things by moving one player to another position but I just don’t think you extend shaun cody’s contract for another 3 years to not play him at the NT position. I’m no defensive coordinator so if Wade says Cody or Mitchell can play the NT, I’m going to go with what he says especially with his proven record.
by Tony Ung on May 3, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Look at Patrick Willis' stats 2009 v 2010
2009 Aubrayo Franklin was a full participant in offseason activities. 2010 he sat out. Patrick Willis goes from the best LB in the league in ‘09 to maybe 10th in 2010. At least in total tackles made. you’re talking about the best LB in the league dropping 10 spots b/c the NT wasn’t at 100%.
Shaun Cody and Earl Mitchell are replacement level players, not starters. No matter how much they ‘fit’ they’ll never not be replacement level players.
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I just don't want NT to be the new FS
where we leave someone crappy there for years (looking at you Eugene Wilson) instead of bringining in legit talent/youtha t the position.
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I can definitely agree with you on the later rounds
I was kind of questioning that myself. I loved the first 2 rounds, even though I have to admit, the JJ Watt pick kinda threw me off. But I looked at some video of him and he grew on me especially seeing how huge he is. As for Roc, I thought that was a redundant but I was unsure if any DT at that point would merit a 4th round pick. I liked the Shiloh Keo pick because of value/need in the 5th round. I felt like the last pick of the 5th round or the two 7th round picks should of been used to address the NT and FS positions. Again, this is all contingent on what we do with the undrafted FA and the veteran FA. So if we pick up a combo of Ian Williams, Scrabble/Joseph/(Insert Other Veteran CB) or Weddle, I can forgive them for ignoring FS and NT in the draft.
Disagree
They aren’t replacement level players, either.
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I think it's a rush to judgement on Mitchell's part
I’m not saying he’s great or good, but what do we really know about him after partial play in one season with Frank Bush?
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We know he plays with a high motor, when he plays
I expect that we are going to see a rotation at many positions this season and I think that will be a successful theme to this defense. The D will not rely on players being on the field for every play, playing to exhaustion and still being on the field. So, whatever they are or were last year under Frank Bush, I expect them to be better coached, in a scheme that is more aggressive, and rotating in and out in order to stay fresh and be able to make plays.
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Cody and Mitchell not replacement players?!?
If they’re really not replacement level players, you should easily be able to name 3 starting NTs that Cody and/or Mitchell would start over (and outperform over a season).
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We haven't seen them at NT, yet
So, how can you compare?
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I just wish we had come out of the draft with a real NT.
Instead we are rotating a couple ends at NT.
The Dolphins managed to take Kearse and they already have Paul Solai!!!
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l believe he was implying that they are below replacement level
but let’s see how they look given new opportunities
Oops, wrong way
Aren’t EVEN replacement players. Mitchell might be decent, but come on. And Cody was cut by one of the worst defenses in NFL history.
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there's another way to look at being cut by a bad organization, though
those Lions couldn’t get out of their own way, normally
something about this thought, I find somewhat contradicting......
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
how's that?
I mean, okay, it’s a stretch to say Shain Cody is any kind of world beater. I’m just saying there have been NFL organizations that wouldn’t know talent, even if it was in their own locker room. This is the Lions were talking about, here.
I guess it's the logic that you are using to arrive at the answer
that Shaun Cody might be good, as in two wrongs might make a right. You see, bad organization and they couldn’t get out of their own way, so he must be good! Aha! I have found the answer to world peace and NFL domination!
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Are there anymore players that the old Detroit organization might have cut and they're still out there for the easy pickings?
Sign them!
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They could be the missing links to a Super Bowl contender!
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no
I was injecting the fact that it isn’t necessarily a condemnation when the Lions turn up their noses at a player. Bad organizations’ trash can most certainly be others’ treasure.
Lions are looking up these days, however. Not to confuse anything further.
Yes, what I said, two wrongs make a right...
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
some better examples than Shaun and Shain Cody:
off the top of my head…
Steve Largent
Jim Plunkett
Cris Carter
Wes Welker
Drew Brees
Bobby Layne
Steve Young
Dunta Robinson
Okay, let me get this straight
You’re comparing Shaun Cody with Super Bowl winners and HOFers. Okay, CB. I guess two wrongs do add up to a right! I’m calling Las Vegas and placing my bet right now!
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Welcome, EasyT. To me, it’s become obvious the Texans are allergic to taking NTs.
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by bigfatdrunk on May 3, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
was just looking at the NT drafted and undrafted...
and the bills drafted a 394lb dude in the 7th. holy shitoly
Don't ask me! Ask Google, you dumb Yahoo!
Michael Jasper
He topped out at 448 pounds in college. Jasper ran a 5.38 forty at his Pro Day at 6’4/394, roughly equivalent to a 270-pound wideout running a 4.4. “He’s not as big as you’ve got him listed,” said Nix. “He’s down to 378 so he’s drying up.” Jasper has athleticism, and obviously has size. The book on him is that he’s not a very good player. The Bills will try to change that.
Yep
Saw that on rotoworld this morning. Seems like the type of guy you take a chance on.
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Especially if he's dropping weight that fast
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by The Night Owl on May 3, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly
All the guys I played basketball against, several of whom went to the pros (Travis Mays, Joey Wright, for example), the best guy I ever played against was this 6’4", 400+ pound behemoth. I’ve never seen a more graceful, silky athlete. I guess I’m just not a “weightist,” cept when it comes to women. Heh.
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Can't teach size like that...
Jets took another big body too… Kenrick Ellis from Hampton. 6’5 330 Funny thing is when you watch him play there is a good amount of finesse to his game.
I was actually really hoping the Texans would take a look at him for NT. Only to learn after the Jets drafted him that he has felonly assault charges pending.
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why don't we use our 7th round pick:
that newton kid in the same fashion? lol, move him to Dline. see if it works.
Just throwing this out there.
Is Darren sharper a free agent? if so would you mind having him for one season?
Great Safety but...
too old. We need a starter for the next several years, so i’d rather look for a long term solution instead.
To be fair...
He was too old in 2009, and he turned out to be damn-near DPOY.
Then his injuries racked up last year
Old and injured is not a good formula even if it is for one season. I’d rather us pursue Weddle and try to sign him for several years than technically rent a player for one year and have to fix it again in 2012.
Microfracture
Something Sharper wasn’t dealing with in 2009. Additionally, playing center field in Greg Williams high pressure D doesn’t hurt the stat sheet.
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Same thing as signing Donald Driver for our WR2.
both players 35 years old and haad major knee surgeries prior to last season. Neither is a go in my book.
Yup
Both are coming off major injuries. Darren was injured the entire year practically last season.
Well he can come in and get some vet presance there.
If nothing else it will not be a very big loss i think. He should not demand alot of money. the years theses guys have put in we can atleast use them for a year you think?
I'd take him as a coach.
that was it.
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I just like other FA talent better
Why sign Driver to 1 season? I’d rather commit that $ to Huff or Weddle and have a long term solution to the FS ‘vacancy.’
Lots and Lots of WR talent..
..and I feel that a lot of that talent will notice our relatively weak WR corps along with a chance to learn from an ELITE wide-out in the form of ‘Dre Johnson.. I wish we would’ve stayed put in the draft and picked up Leonard Hankerson (WR-Miami) in the 3rd. Talk about a perfect mentor/student situation. Oh well :/
by ChadillacSHSU on May 3, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Re: Players changing positions when they join the professional ranks
Since few teams in college run a 3-4, most of the front 7 would be considered changing positions. IMHO.
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The good thing, if our scheme sticks......
A lot more college teams are adopting the scheme or at least running it part time…..which, in theory, should help the scouting department.
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completely random question
Do you guys think that the Lions would consider trading Suh straight up for Mario? Do you think the Texans would?
Mario is going to excell in this new system.... Watt will share NT duties.... at some point
I can also see us making some shifts and utilizing Mario, Smith and Watt shifting and stunting up and down… maybe even 3 up and one down set off the 3-4…. could cause some offensive line some difficulties.
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
In a word?
NO!
I think Detroit knows they have something special w/ Suh.
Just my $.02
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lol
I mean, Mario is a franchise defensive player as well. They just play two different positions. I am NOT liking switching Mario to an OLB. He seems to be a very good rusher off the line…I hope Wade knows what he’s doing. While Mario is decent against the run, and a pretty dominant pass rusher when he WANTS to be, I still think moving him to OLB is very ambitious….just b/c it works w/ Ware doesn’t mean it’ll work w/ Mario as well :/ …wait and see I guess??
Not a chance.
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by UprootedTexan on May 4, 2011 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you think SF would trade Patrick Willis for Demeco Ryans?
/rhetorical question
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by The Night Owl on May 4, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Nah, Eli for Orlousy
Imagine how much of a distraction it would be for Peyton to see his little bro as Schaub’s fluffer
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by The Night Owl on May 4, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
okok. Point well taken. But to be fair to both Mario and Demeco, they ARE probowlers. It’s not like they suck or anything.
Personal experience with Watt, could be a steal at 11!
Hello all, Packer fan here in Madison, WI, But a big fan of the Texans too. I actually work at Camp Randall and was around Watt most days, he was always a beast on the field, hardest worker out there, one of the biggest leaders in the locker room. I cannot say enough good things about this guy, and I can guarantee he will be a huge part of turning around this defense. I cannot wait until he gets his (HUGE) hands on some of those quarterbacks down there, Manning is going to have nightmares about this guy.
by Tracker J Dunn on May 4, 2011 3:11 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Awesome! Thanks for reporting in Tracker!
I have high hopes for that young man. He brings a winning attitude and the physical tools. Yeh, we have noted that he has huge hands, the better to wrap up a QB with, hahaha! His measureables rate right up there with Mario Williams when he was at the same stage and I think Watt has been better coached at the collegiate level, coming in with some refined moves that will transfer well to the pro game. He is a physical beast with tude. What an addition to Wade’s defense. Exciting!
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hmm...favorite and least favorite...
I actually don’t have an issue with this draft at all. I like the first and second rounders. Would have liked Quinton Carter, but alas real safety play is something I’m not confident I’ll see when Texans D is on the field. It’s as mythical to me as a real NT.
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by HoustonTransplant on May 5, 2011 12:48 AM CDT reply actions
I like the Harris pick the most
I really think I’m going to love Watt, but getting Harris for a 3 and a 5 was awesome.
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