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How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Elephant

A couple of weeks ago I heard that Wade was planning to move Mario Williams to weak side OLB as he retools the Texans broken defense. Before I knew what to make of it, every frustrated Texans fan with a twitter account, blog or access to a call-in radio sports show was howling that this abominable experiment was doomed. Just as Warren Sapp recalled Wade Phillips' resume and made me feel better, Willie McGinist laughed at the madness of this idea and anyone foolish enough to even consider Wade's past success as a factor. Silly Sapp. Silly me... watching the NFL channel, so I decided to get a broader view.

Everywhere I looked on the inter-webs, the villagers were gathering their pitchforks and torches and the pundits were spurring them on towards Dr. Phillips' evil laboratory. Making a premier DE into an OLB who must play in space and cover Dallas Clark, OMG! Are you mad? Mario is just a big, dumb DE and he'll never learn another position, especially since there's a lockout! Mario can't cover Larry Fitzgerald! It's a communist plot to make the JJ Watt pick look more rational! Mario can't run while standing up - he must crouch first! My head was left spinning. Jump if you dare to see how I learned to stop worrying and love the Elephant...

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Over the next few days, my fear for the Texans defense stewed but I began to find glimmers of hope. Warren Sapp called his buddy, Pancakes McClain, in Houston who reassured him that Wade knows what he is doing and swears that Mario won't be dropping into coverage much at all. That made me feel better until McGinist laughed at Warren, me and anyone else drinking Wade's kool-aid again. How could I be so stupid?! Damn you Sapp and Pancakes! How did they know that was a combination I couldn't resist?

Willie pointed out all the obvious things I missed. How would Mario learn a new position after 6 years in the NFL? Sure, McGinist did it as a rookie, but that's because rookies are smarter if they're named Willie McGinist! So what if Demarcus Ware only dropped into coverage 6 times last season? It's like Willie says, just because Wade tells Mario not to drop into coverage doesn't mean the offense won't change his mind. I know Peyton Manning can be persuasive (especially after that night in Vegas in '98) so of course he'll have Mario dancing a jig if he prefers. Ok, so maybe Sapp and Pancakes are singing the gospel and Willie isn't the genius I thought?

Then I remembered what my grandmother used to tell me all the time: "Shut the hell up and go do something quiet!" So I decided to go read football stats because I know that would piss the old hag off.  Did you know that since 2004 OLB's Demarcus Ware (DAL '07-10), Greg Ellis (DAL ‘07), Shaun Phillips (SD '06), Shawne Merriman (SD '05-06) and Steve Foley (SD '04) all posted double digit sack seasons in Phillip's 3-4 defenses? At least that's what Vic Carucci over at NFL.com says.

That kind of recent history has many like myself singing Wade Phillips' praises to the tune of Houston making their first playoff appearance next season. I'll wait for you to stop laughing...

Even if you don't drink that much kool-aid, everyone just KNOWS Wade is bringing his celebrated 3-4 to Houston. All the pundits on ESPN and NFL network say so. All the reporters said so. Even the people who want Houston to keep the 4-3 seem convinced.

But, I don't recall Wade ever telling us he was installing a 3-4 per se. I do recall him saying he would craft the best defense he could with the talent he has. Which fits his and his father's M.O. Bum Phillips originally developed his modified, one-gap 3-4 for the Oilers when they lacked true, two-gap defensive linemen in the ‘70s. The Phillips boys run with the horses they got.

In spite of all the cries for a traditional NT, most Texans fans (and Wade Phillips fans) know that Wade's defenses typically utilize one-gap assignments for the DL (due in no small part to the overall lack of quality, two-gap players). That is traditionally a 4-3 characteristic. So rather than assume (like so many others are doing) that Wade is going to deploy some mutant form of the 3-4, I wondered...

What if he is truly trying to build the ideal defense for the personnel he can assemble? What sort of monster would he craft from those appendages? Would it be greater than the sum of its parts or just another mishmash of square pegs into round holes? Would it send QBs into fits of terror or just enrage the local villagers?

In my quest for answers I stumbled across an excellent series on the history of defensive formations in the NFL by Jene Bramel last fall in the NY Times. Bramel is a writer at Footballguys.com. While discussing the evolution of the 4-3, Bramel mentioned "a hybrid defense that combines both 3-4 and 4-3 concepts to highlight a roving pass rusher as the centerpiece of an aggressive front seven" that Pete Carrol brought to Seattle last season. Bramel called the formation a "4-3 Under with an Elephant". The Elephant is a featured pass rusher who moves freely about the front seven looking for mismatches to exploit from a 2-point stance.  Sound familiar? Apparently George Seifert had this idea before Wade Phillips and Pete Carrol and featured guys like Charles Haley, Chris Doleman, Rickey Jackson and Tim Harris in the Elephant role in San Francisco in the ‘90s.

Pete Carrol used Chris Clemons in the Elephant role last season and he racked up a career high 11 sacks. The previous five seasons Clemons only averaged 4 sacks per year. While there will most likely be lots of differences in Wade's version of this formation, the Elephant role seems the same. Except Wade has Mario Williams for that role and Pete Carrol was stuck with Chris Clemons, a former undrafted free agent journeyman, as his best option. If Mario's numbers project anything like Clemons' he would see over 20 sacks next season (not that I see that happening, but that would be proportional to the increase Clemons saw after moving to the Elephant role.)

If mentioning the "4-3 Under" evokes painful memories of the recently departed Frank Bush, consider this: What if Wade isn't really creating a new Frankenstein and instead he's just perfecting what the Texans already have (and not throwing out any babies with Eugene Wilson)? What if he looked at the defensive roster and came to a similar conclusion that Bush did (I know that's frightening, but it wouldn't be that odd really). That doesn't mean we're doomed to the same level of incompetent coaching, defensive play calling or more Eugene Wilson. And the addition of Mario as the Elephant could be huge (nice pun, huh?). Does it matter if we call it a hybrid 3-4, a 4-3 Under or a 5-2 modified formation?  Would a rose by any other name smell as sweetly, even if that name reminded you of Eugene Wilson? (Triple EW paragraph bonus!)

As Bramel notes, "With the Elephant rusher in a two-point stance and the strong side linebacker usually near the line of scrimmage as another capable pass rushing option, these defenses look like a 5-2 or 3-4 front." So, maybe that's why Wade recently called his formation a 5-2.

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Bramel goes on to point out, "It's somewhat of a semantic argument because there will be four players in a two-point stance behind three down defensive linemen, but this front is more like a 4-3 than a 3-4 because of how the three linemen line up. The lineman to the inside of the Elephant rusher is aligned as a 3-technique, something that you won't see in a base 3-4 set. This look is essentially a 4-3 Under with a standup defensive end."

So call it whatever you want. I think coaches and players care more about assignments than how people categorize their defenses. What Wade does care about is putting the best players he can on the field with the best scheme for their talents. After studying enough film, Wade must have realized Mario would make a better Elephant than anyone in the draft. I don't blame him. So, Wade picked up JJ Watt to fill the 5 technique role (e.g. Red Bryant in Seattle) and free Mario up to roam like the 6'6" Elephant he was born to be.

Thinking of Mario as the Elephant eases my apprehension when the Willie McGinists of the world won't shut up about Mario dropping into coverage. As a matter of fact, I love thinking of Mario as a renegade Bull Elephant looking for a QB's village to terrorize. Now, Wade just needs to come up with a catchier name than 5 tech guy for JJ Watt... how about Rhino? Honey Badger? Maybe Wade should give everyone critter names and we'll call it the Zoo defense... just as long as he doesn't want to call the CB spot "The Chiweenie".

In case anyone wants to read any of the seven-part series, Guide to NFL Defenses, by Jene Bramel in the NY Times:

Part 1: Guide to NFL Defenses
Part 2: Evolution of the 4-3 Front
Part 3: The 4-3 Front Continued
Part 4: The 3-4 Front
Part 5: The Zone Blitz
Part 6: The 46 Defense
Part 7: Nickel Subpackages

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Fantastic work!

Willie’s been quite upsetting to me, as well. Just baffled no one’s put the Ware stat in front of him yet and told him to put a sock in it. Idiot.

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by beefy on May 20, 2011 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

yea, he was driving me crazy

But I owe him for inspiring me to look for answers. I thought it was hilarious when he started going on about how hard it would be for Mario since he’s been in the league 6 years whereas the great Willie McGinist was able to do it as a rookie. I know Willie was all-world or whatever, but that’s takes some serious ego to say that.

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by Still Blue on May 20, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great stuff! I loved reading it and will read it again!

I like your idea of animal names. Coming up blank on that, which isn’t often….

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by Rip Jersey on May 20, 2011 1:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Okay, I chuckled at that one... nice...rec

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by DilloTex on May 21, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

do tell

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by DilloTex on May 20, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

is that from the Bill Murray movie with the giraffe?

good job!

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by Rip Jersey on May 20, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I am that good!

I am being vetted by the greatest magazines out there for my technical skills.

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by Schlauton on May 20, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some real technical skills.

This post gave me more faith.

You know your kool-aid is strong.
I liked it, informative AND blinding.

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by Schlauton on May 20, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks

awesome pic… I need to get some photo editing software back on my computer.

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by Still Blue on May 20, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I used paint actually...shhh don't tell anybody.

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by Schlauton on May 20, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

old school!

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by Rip Jersey on May 20, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice!

I think it was funnier that way.

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by Still Blue on May 20, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

For da lulz?

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by TexanZ 1017 on May 20, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the picture this story needed!

Is that Bill Murray?

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by Still Blue on May 20, 2011 1:53 PM CDT reply actions  

oops, reply fail

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by Still Blue on May 20, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

operation dumbo drop

which is also what the texans did when dropping into coverage

by AllenOU on May 20, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking Glover Quinn in the Jax game

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by DilloTex on May 21, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent job SB

I can see why they chose you for writer!

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by UprootedTexan on May 20, 2011 1:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks UT

Right back at ya!

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by Still Blue on May 20, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Get a room already

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by DilloTex on May 21, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

great read. It kept me from finally going to sleep for a bit longer.

asshole. now I have to rec / reply to this excellently written article… the things I do..

I'm looking forward to bigger and better things from the Texans this year... I've decided to start fresh and refocus on the things that matter... thats right... I speak of SKIN BLEACH! no need to burn your throat.. it can't feel it anymore anyways! apply directly to the skin or eyes and let the mind blowing pain steal your focus from the disaster on the field!

by BattleRedHusker on May 20, 2011 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Watt has to earn Honey Badger

In fact, if he’s still around I vote Bernard Pollard for Honey Badger, because, coverage issues aside, it’s obvious that he doesn’t give a shit. I’d like to now nominate Schaub for “Dramatic Gopher”, and on the defensive side, Cushing for “Scary-ass Gorilla”.

by JBal on May 20, 2011 2:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Manning on Turf= Goo'd

Remember to wipe

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by BabyBeezy03 on May 20, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is that a greasespot I see on the turf?

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by texanslady on May 20, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

No,no

Just the saddest soul on the universe

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by TexanZ 1017 on May 20, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fuck next year

I hope to see a lot more of that this year

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by The Night Owl on May 21, 2011 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

FYI

This was Still Blue’s entry into the contest, if that wasn’t mentioned.

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by bigfatdrunk on May 20, 2011 2:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Well now he's screwd

Because now we’re gonna expect this type of high quality writing week in and week out.

by Ivan A on May 20, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope

That’ll be Jordann.

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by bigfatdrunk on May 20, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of 'em really got me.

The “Eugene Wilson (FS-HOU)” tag was classic. Wait. That really happened? Oh god, the memories!

by Nashmeister on May 20, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

No wonder it won him a spot

Excellent read

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by Hydroshock on May 20, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

i was wondering if y'all was going to let us read their entry articles.

This was a real thought out entry, and i have to say great job SB.

by southpaw70 on May 20, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

COWHER?! HOUSTON?!?

OMG WRITING TOPIC!

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by TexansDC on May 20, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, considering thevehemence of the "average fan" in calling for Cowher in Houston...

and by “average fan” I mean “average commenter at chron.com”, I figured this would draw some interest. Hell, I should post it there I guess.

by JBal on May 20, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was just about to say we need to stop this regulation....but.........

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by Schlauton on May 20, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats Jessica Jane Clement.

and i dont think i’ve ever seen a more beautiful woman.

by Ivan A on May 20, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who?

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"If you really want something in life you have to work for it. Now quiet, they're about to announce the lottery numbers." -- Homer Simpson

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by texanslady on May 20, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

That probably explains why I've never heard of her.

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"If you really want something in life you have to work for it. Now quiet, they're about to announce the lottery numbers." -- Homer Simpson

"There is no rehab for stupid." -- Chris Rock

Never try to baptize a cat.

by texanslady on May 20, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do I have a feeling that's not the most important thing you like about her?

::wink wink::

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"If you really want something in life you have to work for it. Now quiet, they're about to announce the lottery numbers." -- Homer Simpson

"There is no rehab for stupid." -- Chris Rock

Never try to baptize a cat.

by texanslady on May 20, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah your right

She has an awesome smile too.

by Ivan A on May 20, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

.........OH.........MY....

WHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFA…..WHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFA

by MeMongo on May 20, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
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by DilloTex on May 21, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keep these up

And your looking at a pay increase!

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by TexanZ 1017 on May 20, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I kinda feel bad though...

SB’s article is excellent and i’d hate to think that these images distract the readers….

Though i’d love to think of them as an extra bonus to an already great article.

by Ivan A on May 20, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

This inhances the readers time here at BRB

And the article only further proves why this blog site is superior to all other?

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by TexanZ 1017 on May 20, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lol

Enhance*

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by TexanZ 1017 on May 20, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think a little eye candy

Distracts us too much from whatever it was we were talking about

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by Barryfromtexas on May 20, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry, did you say something?

by chilam balam on May 21, 2011 2:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

No no no no

They’re just another great reason to revisit these threads. : )

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by Hydroshock on May 20, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

On my iphone this woman is blue...........

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by Schlauton on May 20, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome post SB

Very easy read and hilarious at that, well done. Hope to see your work around here more.
Bring on the Zoofense.

by Superdave532 on May 20, 2011 3:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Interesting and informative

Entertaining as well. It is obvious as to why they chose you.

OK that is two for this week – take the rest of the week off :)

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by Barryfromtexas on May 20, 2011 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Is this a

greek mythology story involving incest?

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by TexanZ 1017 on May 20, 2011 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I better wait

to pull out some big guns like that. But that would make a great future post:)

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by Still Blue on May 20, 2011 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

yea with a few very minor edits and the inclusion of the graphic this time.

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by Still Blue on May 20, 2011 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn this was good!

No wonder I lost.

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by Jon Banks on May 20, 2011 6:30 PM CDT reply actions  

It was the big neon green graphic

Nothing screams FOOTBALL like a great big, green rectangle full of squares and circles. If you didn’t have one you didn’t stand a chance.

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by Hydroshock on May 20, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah those green football field graphics rock on big time!

Speaking of which, check this one out from field supervisor who’s had enough and quit…

by MeMongo on May 21, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

i have sat and stared at this

for about 15 mins

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by Taco Joe on May 20, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

how is this not green yet?

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by The Night Owl on May 21, 2011 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Too busy staring.

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by UprootedTexan on May 21, 2011 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

This added at least 15 mins to my life.

by chilam balam on May 21, 2011 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

k I hope no one gets in trouble for this one

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by Taco Joe on May 20, 2011 8:44 PM CDT reply actions  

oh i thought i copied the other one

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by Taco Joe on May 20, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a Seahawks fan

One thing I’d say about the formation we’re running is that, at least for PC’s formation, one end (the Red end) is more of a 3-4-esque guy (like JJ Watt), while the Elephant is kind of an OLB/DE tweener type. Clay Matthews III played the position for PC at USC, and Chris Clemons is another too-light-for-DE. Mario Williams is a much better pass-rusher than Clemons obviously but he’s not ideal for the position as we play it.

I’m not as familiar with Wade’s 3-4, so I don’t know if the same “problem” applies. Even if it does, one of the major problems of the Leo/Elephant end is it gives you a hole in run protection. And another is that the Leo end can get chipped by a TE and go nowhere at times. Neither would happen to Mario Williams.

by Thomas Beekers on May 20, 2011 10:47 PM CDT reply actions  

thanks for the feedback

I looked around “Field Gulls” to get some idea of how PC had implemented his scheme and how the fans were reacting to it. I didn’t see any big stat changes from 09-10 (besides the sacks) so I wanted to get the blog’s feel. It seemed to me from a quick scanning of the site that fans were positive about the year as a whole and pretty hopeful. Which I should’ve probably guessed;) Grats on a great season and good luck as you guys continue to rebuild.

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by Still Blue on May 20, 2011 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't know why this is such an issue with the media...

Being a Cowboys fan also, I just thought it was common sense that Wade would move Mario to OLB and just use him like Ware and the other great pass rushers he’s had. Why is this even being debated?

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by selke99 on May 21, 2011 5:06 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Logic from a Southern Oklahoman??

I rec you, sir.

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by beefy on May 23, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

because Mario is 6-6 and 290+ lbs

I don’t have a problem with how Wade will use Mario (or at least how I think he will), but you just don’t see many OLB’s listed at almost 300 lbs.

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by papabear on May 23, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I could be splitting hairs, but I think Mario played in the low 280s last season

And, seems I read somewhere that he would be very comfortable playing at around 275. That is still a BIG man. But, in support of Phillips’ scheme, a faster, lighter Mario will only make him more dominating in this roving D position. Plus, at 6’-6", Mario will be able to put his span to great use as he strides into a play, whether the play is on the player or on the ball. If he is making a play on the ball, such as trying to block a pass or perhaps intercept, or maybe chasing down a RB or TE making a short catch, I think he will be awesome!

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by Rip Jersey on May 23, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

you are definitely spitting hairs

Nah, I get your point, and selke’s too, but I don’t know of another player who has ever played any variation of OLB that has Mario’s size. I see no reason why it won’t work, as long as he is being utilized as a defensive end who happens to stand up, and line up all over the place….but I understand why it has attracted so much attention. You just don’t see guys with Mario’s build standing up on a regular basis. I think it has been beaten to death at this point. Not as badly as the dead horse that is TE jokes though.

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by papabear on May 23, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was the uninformed public more than size, methinks.

Three things at play here:
1. Knowledge of Phillips’ scheme and success at pressure
2. Knowledge of Ware’s coverage responsibilities (or lack thereof) and sack totals
3. Knowledge of Mario’s badassery and athleticism

The general public that thought this was a silly idea failed in at least one of these areas, and quite possibly all of them, in Willie McGinist’s case.

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by beefy on May 23, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, yes, and yes

Leaves me with no doubt of it’s success. Until proven otherwise, I truly believe that Mario will likely go down in history as #3 states and everyone will know.

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by Rip Jersey on May 24, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

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