Mario Williams To Play Weakside OLB In Phillips 3-4?
"At 6-7, 290, Mario Williams will become the largest OLB in NFL history. Wade Phillips plans to use him on the weak side." - John McClain
I think this is a pretty bad idea. Mario's forte is with his hand on the ground. I suspect our 3-4 might end up looking a lot like a 5-2 when all is said and done. I also read elsewhere that Reed and Barwin would battle for the starting strong-side job, which seems to indicate to me that Barwin's injury progress is a concern.
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by UprootedTexan on May 6, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Like this?
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by DilloTex on May 6, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's so weird, I don't even know how to react!
LOL.
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by UprootedTexan on May 6, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I SWEAR that looks like your avatar...
…in a panda suit…
…I’m just sayin’…
Don’t accept “lemonade” from Jordann…
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by UprootedTexan on May 6, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Niiiice... rec'd...
I’d never seen the bigger version… I was wondering if you were a closet Jags fan or something.
/relieved
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You really need to get on SBN about that.
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by UprootedTexan on May 6, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Not sure I'm following here.
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by UprootedTexan on May 6, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
no, you did it correctly
just hit the ‘reply’ button, and type a response into the box
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mix it up, see what happens, if the experiment doesnt work, scrap it and put him back on the ground.. this D has nowhere to go but up after last years debacle..not sure if this is an indictment on Barwins progress tho.. both are rather unknown commodities at NFL SOLB for different reasons so why have 2 unknown/unproven players starting at both OLB positions?
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Considering that Barwin hasn't done a damn thing since his rookie year...
…and they haven’t had any practice with coaches and players present, I don’t see how you can call this an indictment of Barwin.
Either way, it’s interesting.
Just your average, run of the mill hardcore casual Texans fan.
I think it's worth the experiment
If it works it’ll help get the best players on the field….if it doesn’t, well it was worth a shot! Besides you need to put your play maker in a position to make plays. Last year was evident that Mario is our best play maker.
Houston Texans:
1st Round: J.J. Watt (NT)
2nd Round: Ras-I Dowling/Brandon Harris (CB)
3rd Round: Mark Herzlich (ILB)
4th Round: Shiloh Keo (S)
5th Round: Chris Carter (OLB)
6th Round: Alex Henery (P/K)
7th Round: Stephen Burton (WR)
by CCBach on May 5, 2011 5:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Was Cushing at MLB worth that experiment??
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by The Night Owl on May 5, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
That was mid season
This should, hopefully, be a mini camp- training camp thing, if it doesn’t pan no harm. If it does, well Locker, Gabbert and the other rookies won’t have a second year.
Houston Texans:
1st Round: J.J. Watt (NT)
2nd Round: Ras-I Dowling/Brandon Harris (CB)
3rd Round: Mark Herzlich (ILB)
4th Round: Shiloh Keo (S)
5th Round: Chris Carter (OLB)
6th Round: Alex Henery (P/K)
7th Round: Stephen Burton (WR)
by CCBach on May 5, 2011 7:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
and 4-3 MLB is not the same as middle linebacker in a 3-4
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
I never considered
Barwin’s injury a concern, u raise a good point kenney, but I guess at the end of the day, we want quality depth and options at OLB. While I’m very skeptical of this switch, I agree w/ CCBach that it’s worth trying. Linebacker is our strength, and if Watt is what we hope he’ll be reserving Mario strictly for pass rushing in both the stand up and hand down position might be of use to us.
Creativity is what creates successful blitz packages, so I can’t blame Wade for thinking outside the box.
You can never have TOO MANY pass rushers
Especially when you’re us.
Demeco is the injury I worry about, but I saw him two months ago playing golf, so there’s that.
I think Mario could be a beast in this system. my only concern would be him not having the same burst he gets with his hand on the ground. I’ll have to see it to believe it
by AllenOU on May 5, 2011 5:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
For what it's worth, it's more befitting to his style of play.
He might be 290 lbs., but he’s still a speed rusher through and through. I think it’s equally uncertain whether or not he can play standing up as whether or not he can be successful rushing to the inside more often. As a 3-4 end, he can’t afford to be selling out and sprinting behind the pocket. I don’t like the idea of anything that takes Barwin out of the WOLB spot because I think he could be the best pass-rusher on our team if given the reps, but I think Mario can handle the change.
Against Denver in 2008, TNF
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His first sack he was standing up and Looked FAST
by AllenOU on May 5, 2011 5:28 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
It's good for matchups
It will help him get more one on ones with TE’s and RB’s
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Mario one on one with a TE or RB
Makes me feel very happy…
maybe from a pass rush perspective
But if he has to cover either I think he’ll get burned like toast all day.
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Think Demarcus Ware
How many times do you see him covering anyone from his WOLB spot? Granted, it’s a bit of showing your hand, but it seems to have worked for Ware for some time now.
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30 times in 3 years!
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I suppose that's even more cred for Wade Phillips
Because you’d think a team could game plan around that all day but he’s had great success at it.
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It's kinda like the teh Schaub to AJ play.....
in a 4th and 10 situation w/ 30sec to go. The entire stadium knows who the pass is going to, but the question as the DC is, can ya stop it?
It doesn’t matter if they know Mario is coming if they can’t get any body on him that can stop/slow him down.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
the SOLB usually lines of on the TE
is my understanding
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Will Mario be responsible for covering a RB or TE though?
I’m not an expert on Wade’s 3-4 so I’m curious
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RB routes
Are mostly determined by what the defense does. Meaning, if there’s no one he needs to help out on blocking, he can release. I’d say Mario coming full bore would require some RB assistance. This is why many young RB’s can’t get on the field… because of protection issues and releasing too early without helping.
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Please Durga
let MJD, Chris Johnson, and Joseph Addai get run over by this train, REPEATEDLY.
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Time to bring out the old Deacon Jones headslap.
Only with an NC State pinky ring pimp feel to it.
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by beefy on May 6, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Favorite quote
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Classic…
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For those of you who don't like Mario standing up...
Consider that the Texans didn’t start standing him up until later in the season. There were two problems with this though:
1) Mario has presumably never been coached to stand up. Accordingly, Wade noticed he almost always took a false step before beginning his rush, thereby slowing him down.
2) Frank Bush was the defensive coordinator.
If Wade thinks Mario can play 3-4 OLB then I’ll trust Wade. Say what you will about him as a head coach, but as a D-coordinator he’s typically done pretty darn well. Nashmeister also makes a good point, Mario is a speed/bull rusher, and it makes sure that JJ, Antonio, and Mario are all on the field at the same time. Finally, we’re asking three people who have never played OLB before to learn and play the position (Reed, Barwin, and Mario). Of those three, I’ll take Mario and one of the other two, so let Reed and Barwin battle it out, then get all of them out there on passing downs (putting Mario back on the line).
by La Voz on May 5, 2011 5:31 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
arent you just loving the LB depth?
I know we have a lot of uncertainty, but for making the switch I feel like we have quite a bit of talent at the position, especially the outside. Herzlich could have provided some more in the middle but with Sharpton and a straggler we should be fine.
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by theSpaceCityKid on May 6, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Herzlich is a great story, but I don't see us needing ILBs
I really think we’re set at ILB. We have Cushing and Ryans of course. Sharpton will play ILB. I could easily see us resigning Kevin Bentley since he did so well in Ryans’ absence. 4 ILBs is really all we need. Not sure where Diles and Adibi will play. Then again, I don’t see us retaining both. Remember, Stanford Keglar is still with us (would play ILB), Danny Clark was with us at the beginning of last season prior to his injury (doubt he’ll be resigned), and there’s the issue of what to do with Mark Anderson, likely to be an OLB.
You make a good point, we’re fairly well stocked at LB. Wade has also mentioned that he’d like to have 3 OLBs and 3 ILBs. I assume he’s speaking about the rotation, and not roster spots, but you have to imagine we wouldn’t have more than 8 or 9 max on the roster at any time. With that in mind, it’s not a question of who we add, rather, who do we cut?
ILB – Cushing, Ryans, Sharpton, Keglar
OLB – Mario, Barwin, Reed, Anderson, Nading?, Jamison?, Ozougwu
?LB – Diles, Adibi
If it doesn't work
he goes back to being a DE, no harm no foul. I’m more worried about SOLB, and the whole them having to cover thing.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
would Mario have to cover?
That’s my big question. If not, doesn’t that make it easier to game plan around him?
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I don't know if this says anything about Barwin's injury status
as much as it does that this will be his first year playing OLB and he only has one full year of NFL experience.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
On 3rd downs
does Watt play NT Mario goes back to DE and Barwin plays WOLB?
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
No
Mario & Barwin (or Reed) go to DE, with Smith & Watt at DT, & Cushing & Ryans at LB
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by The Night Owl on May 5, 2011 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
on 3rd downs
it will be mario jj smith down barwin cush meco and reed up. but if you in nickel barwin might be out
Nickel Package will most likely be used on 3rd downs
which is what I referred to
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by The Night Owl on May 5, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
In nickle
We’ll likely have 4 down linemen. You decide who goes to what spot, but put 4 pass rushers on the line. There will obviously be hybrids, with 3 and sometimes 2 linemen down, but we’re bringing 4 the majority of the time in those situations.
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I realize Mario is a much better player
But Derrick Harvey’s stint as WOLB for Jacksonville when we played around with the 3-4 was an abysmal failure
by Jonathan Loesche on May 5, 2011 5:49 PM CDT reply actions
Much like Derrick Harvey himself?
Not that it matters. This is a bad idea.
Needs more nose tackle.
I have experiance running this defense
I played DIII college football back in the day and our defensive coordinator was Todd Howard, who is now the Linebackers coach at UCLA. Some die hard Aggies may remember him from those Jackie Sherrill teams of the 80’s. He brought that 3-4 penetrating hybrid to my college, which is also the same one that was being run under RC Slocum (he started his coaching career at A&M as an assistant after his NFL days). Here is the most basic front and coverage that is taught in this defense. This D is extremely flexible and helps you get your best athletes on the field.
The base call is “53 cover1” which means you have a 5 tech on the strong side, 3 tech on the weakside, and cover 1 is a zone pass coverage. You’ll notice that the WOLB is really lined up like a defensive end. if there were two TE’s he would line up wider as a 9 tech. Mario is going to be 80 percent DE 20 percent LB. Most of his pass coverages are short zone coverage, although in more exotic blitzes, he could be man to man on a RB. Those are the coverages that bring the house though, and it’ll be a quick dump off. The players that are going to end up superstars are the 2 ILB’s. They’ll be all over the place.
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by Drill Sarge on May 5, 2011 6:03 PM CDT reply actions 15 recs
Hmmm... interesting
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Very nice break-down.
Didn’t know you had that kind of football background. You should talk more X’s and O’s!
Good to hear the emphasis on the ILBs, though. People have mentioned the fact that we’re going to get two more second-round picks back on our team this year outside of the draft because Tate and Barwin will be healthy, but I think we’re also going to see the return of a pro-bowl linebacker. I was thinking about this the other day and came to the conclusion that Cushing’s 2009 season was without a doubt the best individual defensive effort in the history of this franchise. If he returns to that level or—god forbid—improves upon it, we’re going to have a very solid defense.
where the RG and RT is, is where teams will run.
Guard chips NT with center and moving up to next level to get MIke. RT just pushes end out and go to next level too. Atleast that is what i would do.
Might work as a counter too,
Plausible?
Wait why are we trying to find out plays that work against our D
Oh and southpaw you forgot about the OLB who would take him out otherwise he’s got a clear shot
Houston Texans:
1st Round: J.J. Watt (NT)
2nd Round: Ras-I Dowling/Brandon Harris (CB)
3rd Round: Mark Herzlich (ILB)
4th Round: Shiloh Keo (S)
5th Round: Chris Carter (OLB)
6th Round: Alex Henery (P/K)
7th Round: Stephen Burton (WR)
by CCBach on May 5, 2011 7:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
this D is made to be aggresive
so counters, draws, and screens can be a problem if you don’t diagnose them correctly. I think we’ll have one of the top ILB pairs in the league, so a lot of that stuff is on their ability to sniff those out. As for a lead play like southpaw says, that is definitely a play you have to stop. As the Mike LB, you are looking directly into the backfield through that guard. When you see him block down and that FB come right at you, you have to give everything you got to stuff that FB at the line of scrimmage or behind. That play is where the men seperate themselves from the boys. I like Demeco and Cushing in those spots.
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I agree
Those two have high football IQ, they’ll sniff it out quickly, personally with our players I’m worried about the Power. To me, as I mentally visualize the D, that play seems like it will be tough to stop unless we have the backside end heel line.
Houston Texans:
1st Round: J.J. Watt (NT)
2nd Round: Ras-I Dowling/Brandon Harris (CB)
3rd Round: Mark Herzlich (ILB)
4th Round: Shiloh Keo (S)
5th Round: Chris Carter (OLB)
6th Round: Alex Henery (P/K)
7th Round: Stephen Burton (WR)
by CCBach on May 5, 2011 9:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Power is always the issue in a 3-4
That’s why such a high premium is placed on an NT that can eat up two blockers and still hold his ground. Back when we ran the 3-4 the first go-round, I remember just getting gashed by inside runs because Seth Payne was good, but not great at this. I’m hoping for a FA signing and trusting Wade that this issue can be resolved before we start playing.
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But again, that means the ILBs have to step up
And I can’t think of a much better ILB tandem than Cushing and Ryans, especially when it comes to play recognition, at which both are excellent.
Agreed
Much better than Jaime Sharper and Kailee Wong, was it?
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Aw man
Why’d you have to go there? I loved me some Sharper and Wong. Too bad they were on the downside of their careers.
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Oh, me too
But I don’t feel the least bit bad saying Cushing and Demeco are better.
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We'll see about that.
Cushing will have to return to his 2009 form and DeMeco is going to have to overcome an injury that destroys careers for the vast majority of people who suffer it.
Can’t say I’m optimistic about either.
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 7, 2011 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately this
Although what I saw out of Sharpton and Bentley I don’t think those guys would be terrible in Ryans’s place. If Cushing doesn’t play like it was 2009 we could be in serious trouble up the middle because none of the guys in the secondary could tackle at all last year.
That is what i thought.
i hate being so agressive sometimes. I know i saw alot of time i just saw barwin and smith running up the field when a draw was called. and lineman just push hem a little and move on to the next level.
Yes, but
We did an amazingly poor job of executing an amazingly poor scheme. I think this will be a tighter, more disciplined unit. At least I hope.
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by Hydroshock on May 6, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
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Thanks for the explanation, but I have questions:
What is the difference between this 53 DL scheme and, what I believe is called a 4-3 weak/heavy (whichever one that describes the strong side backer lined up in a 2 point stance in a 9-tech and the DL playing 5-1-3-7)?
How will this look considering Phillips runs almost exclusively out of a cover 2?
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Probably something like this, or something similar
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 5, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Or this
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 5, 2011 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
More than likely it's this one^^^^^
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
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by The Night Owl on May 7, 2011 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Or even this
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 5, 2011 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right, it does look like a 4-3 with a LB over the TE
That’s what I like about this defense is its flexability. In the base set, the two outside LB’s can line up anywhere from a 5 tech with his hand on the ground, to in the slot over a reciever depending on how the offense lines up (you can get good interesting blitzes this way). The DE’s are also flexible, moving up and down the line as well (usually as a 3,4,or 5). This, however, is only a base set with a base coverage. Cover 2 is run a lot in this system as well and those two drawings are good examples of the ways you can get into a cover 2, although you can start getting creative by sending different LB’s to rush other than the WOLB. In most base defenses, you’re sending 4 guys after the QB and dropping 7 into coverage, but which 4 are coming? In the 4-3 it’s almost always your 4 down lineman, but in a 3-4 the offense needs to search out that 4th rusher. Once you start sending 5 or more, you jump into playing more man coverage. The third coverage option you have is sending 5 or more but dropping into a zone/blitz coverage, which doesn’t cover every zone, but makes the QB throw quick hot routes before he wants to, and you drop into those zones where you know that he likes to throw his hot routes (Remember James Harrison’s Super Bowl return?).
Long story short, that extra LB, vs extra DT in a 4-3, gives you more coverage and blitz options. With all the multiple offensive sets that teams run today, and the game becoming more of a passing league, those extra coverages and blitzes can help you out a bunch. But you still gotta have good players, though, and win the one-on-one battles. . .
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Harrison is a great example
I don’t think anybody can argue he knows what he’s doing in coverage, but he manages to hang in. He’s been targeted 59 times, so still only a little more than once per game.
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Thanks Sarge
Excellent. That answers a lot of questions for me. I do worry about Mario manning up on a RB or TE, but if it’s mainly just on jail house blitz situations then it won’t be as big of an issue.
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Can anyone say "Wrecking Crew"?
I think I would have wet drawers every Sunday if I saw anything even approaching those defenses from our beloved Texans.
Just my $.02
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3-4
That chalk board brings back colege flash backs lol
by Mike 76 on May 5, 2011 6:26 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I remember the first day they handed me a playbook
It was at least 100 pages long and my coach said, “Here’s the base packages. If you want to get on the field, you need to memorize this stuff quick.” I can’t even imagine how in depth the pro versions of these playbooks are. And the offensive ones are usually twice as thick. . .
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by MghtyPtrck on May 6, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting stuff
It will come in handy
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by Barryfromtexas on May 6, 2011 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
That's some good stuff!
It looks like the advanced version of what we ran. In college though, there is a big emphasis on defending the option, and this effects some of the coverages. The cover 1 we ran, which we refered to as 1/4- 1/4- 1/2, is listed in the manual as their cover 4 (our cover 4 is listed in the manual as their cover 8). IN the nickle and dime sets you can see the 4 man line that is used. In the section titled ZONE DOG, that’s the traditional zone blitz stuff. Keep in mind that this is just the base defense and coaches tend to add stuff every week to catch other teams off guard or to better exploit something they see in the other team. All football coaches are copycats, and if they see some team do something they like, you can guarantee that it’ll end up in the playbook. . .
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Drill Sarge
your input on everything so far has been great. I think the contributions you are making for most of us to understand how certain packages may look has been beneficial for everyone especially coming from someone who’s actually played before.
Great post
Pro playbooks are complex as hell. Also, if you look through there, Will (Mario) is rushing on almost every coverage except cover 8. Whoever is the better coverage MLB will play backside and be responsible for covering the RB on most of the man coverages.
It also looks like that the safeties will both play deep halves or deep quarters frequently, so our SS is going to have to be just as effective in coverage.
The strong do what they have to do; the weak accept what they have to accept
Screw it. Let mario peak over jjs shoulder
Im gonna guess qbs are not gonna wanna see mario standing over jjs shoulder. And rbs vs mario?? Ill take that match up EVERY time
by Carter Liles on May 5, 2011 7:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Something tells me Earl Mitchell could rack up a couple quick INTs like B.J. Raji did
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by The Night Owl on May 5, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I think earl will be an outstanding nose tackle.
That was one pick last year I liked. I stiil believe we could have traded our first and second to jacksonville for their first and 4th and grabbed earl thomas!
by Carter Liles on May 5, 2011 8:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think no mater where they play them we have a good slid group of young players that will only get better.
by Mike 76 on May 5, 2011 8:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I've heard this before
The only thing different now….
Wade Phillips. We’ve put our hope in far FAR less qualified candidates…..
by AllenOU on May 5, 2011 8:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Mario's gonna rush more than not, just like Ware.......just like MDC called months ago
And it’ll be beautiful to see this monster unleashed.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Personally, I cant think of a more terrifying front seven in the nfl than what we'll have
by Carter Liles on May 5, 2011 8:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Especially if Wade gets a good rotation going at both OLB & DE spots to confuse QBs
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by The Night Owl on May 5, 2011 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
You guys are nuts.
Best front seven in the NFL. Thats laughable. The talent is there no question, but with no NT, Demeco possibly never being the same, barwins injury and inexperience, Cushing is still an unknown at this point…. If we are middle of the pack on D I’ll be somewhat surprised, unless they add key free agents
by AllenOU on May 5, 2011 8:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Replace best with most terrifying
Same still applies
by AllenOU on May 5, 2011 8:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I believe they will add another NT before the pre-season starts if he gets the chance
whether it’s a veteran or an rookie UDFA, he’ll add at least one
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 5, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I never said best.
I said terrifying. As In two 260 lb backers. A 290 backer. and two 6’5 plus 280 DEs…, im not sure there are 7 guysscarier than we got
by Carter Liles on May 5, 2011 8:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Rotation?
We don’t need no stinking rotation – they will only play 3 downs at a time :)
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by Barryfromtexas on May 6, 2011 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I dunno about that
but Wade’s definitely showing that he’s not afraid to get creative and move pieces around to create mismatches.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I think its going to be a very ruff season for manning this yr when he faces our front seven twice.I think will be on his back quite a lot.
by Mike 76 on May 5, 2011 8:52 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
If it works, I'm Scared
Cj cant pick up someone who is 80lbs bigger than him.
I’d just put him on a checkdown if i see that
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What AJ said
And DrillSarge above.
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by TexansDC on May 5, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup
Definitely needed to be re-linked.
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Of course, this is why I already said
“If Pancakes said it, of course it’s not true”
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by The Night Owl on May 6, 2011 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My Thoughts exactly
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by Barryfromtexas on May 6, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no problem with this.
This allows us to insert Watt into the starting lineup, and use Reed as more of a third down guy, which is what he is, for now.
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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
I feel another DROY award coming to Houston.
Followed up by playoffs.
by southpaw70 on May 5, 2011 9:50 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The fact that a Texans fan can be optimistic
Is proof that humanity can listen to its better angles. Well played, sir.
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*angels
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by Barryfromtexas on May 6, 2011 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Gonna be tough.
3-4 DEs don’t get a whole lot of recognition. I suppose we’ll have three defensive rookies getting serious playing time, though, so we’re playing the numbers. I’m hoping it’ll be Brandon Harris with 12 INTs.
Could be Brooks Reed
Adding another DROY to our LB corps
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by The Night Owl on May 6, 2011 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
rec'd for attempted optimism...
Well done, sir
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Hopefully it's an improvement over Millen & Theismann
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by The Night Owl on May 6, 2011 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Kind of like our D
Can’t be worse than last year
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by Barryfromtexas on May 6, 2011 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I had this crazy dream
Where Mario rushes from a standing position. On his way to the qb, he looks at the opposing left tackle, who bursts into a fiery cloud of ash. The running back comes over and tries to take his legs out and in one motion Mario reaches down and throws the running back into the quarterback. The quarterback collapses in a heap, possibly dislocating both hips and breaking a few ribs. I don’t know if this will happen or not, but if Wade Phillips makes it happen then I think it’s fair to say the switch was worth it.
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 5, 2011 10:04 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I had a similar dream
A psychic Matt Schaub learned to throw the ball with his mind and our CBs learned to morph into giant walls with hands so they broke up or intercepted every pass thrown at them. It was crazy. Also, we had an ostrich starting as one of our DEs.
by brightshinies on May 6, 2011 7:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
It's like we share the same consciousness.
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 6, 2011 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions
...or the same pharmacist
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by DilloTex on May 6, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Questions about Mario at OLB?
If you have questions about how Wade plans to use Mario in his new defense, go to youtube and and checkout videos of Bruce Smith and DeMarcus Ware. You will find that for the most part Mario will line up outside the LOT (weakside as McClain suggest). Mario will not be a OLB in the traditional sense. The position in Wade’s defense is more of a hybrid or sometimes called the Elephant position. Clay Matthews plays the Elephant position but does it standing up. Unlike Bruce Smith, Demarcus Ware and Mario Williams who played or will play with their hand down. Occasionally you could find Mario on the left side and in the middle. On rarer occasions you could see Mario standing somewhere along the front line.
I think you have it backwards
Smith got his sacks as a 3-4 DE. As in, the spot that JJ Watt/Amobi Okoye will probably man.
I'm Stoked about this move. (And here's why)
In the limited times Mario has been standing up AND blitzing, it’s worked rather well. unrefined and much room for improvement? you bet! but it was NOT ineffective. As a fan, i don’t need to know the logistics of offenses gameplanning around exploiting a “constant blitzer”, however it seemed to work pretty damn well in Dallas. I never remember hearing “oh if Ware hadn’t blitzed…” I expect that Wade figures out how to use Mario. I’m guessing he will not be exclusively standing up IF these rumors are in fact true, however the important thing.. the most important thing for that matter, is that…
WADE PHILLIPS IS A DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR (which is something we aren’t used to having)
Our last 2 defensive coordinators were new and or terrible at their jobs. Wade knows what he’s doing. If Mario standing up doesn’t work well, he will presumably change it.
on a side note, I’m drooling over Mario’s Bullrush with a 1-4 yard sprint leading up to it.
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by BattleRedHusker on May 6, 2011 6:48 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
on a side note, I’m drooling over Mario’s Bullrush with a 1-4 yard sprint leading up to it.
That’s the upside I’m looking for.
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 6, 2011 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Two things about this that make me giddy
1. The mere mention of this idea probably already made Peyton shit himself, and I’m pretty sure I saw that Locker and Gabbert (can we start calling him Gabbo yet?) just withdrew themselves from the draft. I mean, just the sight of Mario standing up and staring down a QB has to be worth a few bad throws a game, right?
2. If, and I know I’m getting waaay ahead of myself, Mario kills it this season and gets voted into the Pro Bowl, it could be as a LB and he’d be forced to play OLB in a non-blitzing 4-3 which, since there are no implications of this game whatsoever, could be quite comical. Especially if he picked on off and stiff-armed Drew Brees on his way to the endzone.
if he kills it this season it will be incredibly interesting to see how the FO approaches his next contract
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by BattleRedHusker on May 6, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Warren Sapp and co. are talking about how little sense this makes right now on NFL network
but Sapp did say he had a feeling Wade could possibly make it work. I just don’t understand why you are going to complicate the game for your best player.
We're moving from a 4-3 to a 3-4
Stuff was going to become “complicated,” regardless.
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lol?
because Mario was going to have to tell the DE on his side what to do, decide when to drop back, learn all of the different coverages, etc etc etc etc? no, he wasn’t. without this change Mario’s job is infinitely less complicated.
yea i just saw that on nfl network too
we all said if it does not work we have a backup plan so no harm no foul. I think if we do a twist with Watt and mario i feel sorry for the guards who have to block a full speed Mario coming around.
Look
We were already dropping Mario back in coverage 2-5 times per game under the previous regimes. It’s not going to be any more than that in this scheme. See DrillSarge’s post and AJ’s links above.
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Unless he's our new DC
I give him all the credibility he deserves: none.
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does bfd watch the Texans?
because l have my reservations about McGinest and Sapp fidgeting all the way through to the end of a Texans game
Does Wade?
Considering the way Wade used Ware?
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Its just toolshed trolling again guys
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Different scheme
Mario’ll likely be in the Ware role (95% rush, 5% coverage to mix it up)…..he’s essentially a stand up end as opposed to a legitimate linebacker.
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So you're saying
Mario can’t do what Wade asked Ware to do?
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That's what happens with me
After my second beer.
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 6, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Opposite for me
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by Barryfromtexas on May 6, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
You just described me
After my first beer.
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 7, 2011 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I think defensive coordinator of some of the best defenses over the last 25 years knows more then him
but maybe I’m just crazy
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
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by theSpaceCityKid on May 6, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
/arranges stadium seating along ropes
/sets up card table
/opens thermos
/pours coffee
SCK? Cream and sugar?
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by theSpaceCityKid on May 6, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Quote from Mario
He wants me to get after the quarterback 90 percent of the time. He said, ‘When the ball’s snapped, I want you to go, be fast and get the quarterback.’
“When they want me to cover, I’ll do it. I don’t think that’ll happen too much. I don’t think you’ll see me turning and running and covering somebody man-to-man down the field.”
Doesn’t sound that complicated to me.
i tell you this if they put him over a slot reciver
he is not getting off that line, Mario would jam the shit out him. i agree with your post, does not seem to complicated to me.
/savoring the mental image
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Watch The Blind Side & watch the first game where Oher drives the DE over the wall
That’s the image you’re looking for
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by The Night Owl on May 7, 2011 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well
If Warren Sapp doesn’t like this, that’s about as much of an endorsement as I need.
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 6, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
he never said he didn't like it
I’m pretty sure his words were “this doesn’t seem very logical”. And just as others have said they all stated that the Texans could always just put him back at DE and have Brooks/Reed as the OLBs.
Actually Warren was less skeptical than myself, he said he thought that Wade could make it work.
Wade's response:
“It’s so crazy, it just might work.”
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 6, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Brooks Reed will split himself into his two affinities and play both OLB positions by himself!?
Good God.. I need to sit down… this is some Patrick Willis shit right here!
(and if you think he’s wearing pants… you are sorely mistaken)
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by BattleRedHusker on May 6, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
He'd look mighty fine in a Panda suit...
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Because simplification, under Frank Bush, was a rousing success.
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by UprootedTexan on May 6, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Eh, I just wanted to take a shot at Frank Bush.
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by UprootedTexan on May 6, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
As well you should...
… but in lieu of gunplay, verbal abuse will suffice.
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
does this look like a guy that cant cover to you?
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It looks like a guy that won't have to...
…after he just tears the receiver in half (within 5 yards of the line of course).
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pfffttt!!!
Mario doesnt NEED cleats
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by theSpaceCityKid on May 6, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
just imagined Mario chasing a RB in the flats on all fours and taking him down like a gazelle
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by theSpaceCityKid on May 6, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
*Unicorn
FTFY.
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by UprootedTexan on May 6, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Does anybody know if he got playbook or anything?
Thats one thing i hate about mario i want to see him speak on this change. Has any of the texans player talk to the rookies yet to make them fill welcome and all?
Not much of a playbook for Mario
Play 1: Kill Quarterback.
Play 2: See Play 1.
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by TexansDC on May 6, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, he's going to have to periodically...
…scrape the RB out of his cleats, because they are sticky and do gunk up the traction… Is that what you meant?
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by DilloTex on May 6, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe it should've been
Create havoc in the backfield. The point is, Wade’s going to turn him loose like a rabid dog.
"Lord, beer me strength."
PSYCHO PACKAGE!!!
DE- Glover Quin
NT- Trindon Holliday
DE- Kareem Jackson
WOLB- David Anderson
ILB- Shaun Cody
ILB- Eric Winston
SOLB- Dan Orlovsky
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by theSpaceCityKid on May 6, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Also
Putting Cody at NT would be psycho.
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by bigfatdrunk on May 6, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, I know they are a young, young unit
They still could use more of a veteran presence. But, I am also upbeat about the rooks coming in. I think they really scored. Two young players that might be able to play right off the bat and be respectable. Just uttering, now, not proclaiming.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Sorry, I forgot we were going Psycho...
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on May 6, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope...
…that this defense performs at a level this year where we can just start referring to them as “Psychos”…
Can Haz?
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Almost gives you a reason to keep Pollard around....
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Maybe it's just me
Is Pollard kind of like the Ron Artest of the Texans?
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I wouldn't go that far
but he’s the closest thing to it
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on May 6, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
as in going postal?
he doesn’t need my approval….
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Putting Cody on the field would be psycho
I fixed it for you.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on May 6, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
::Pops a prozac::
::Remembers Frank Bush isn’t DC anymore::
::Puts down bourbon and bleach to chase it with::
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 6, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
::Remembers that Charley Casserly still has a job in football-related media::
::Picks up battery acid chaser::
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
hell ya imagine Orlovsky bringin it off the edge
with no helmet
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by theSpaceCityKid on May 6, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I just keep thinking of the stain...
…that Trindon Holliday at NT is going to leave
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
LOL
A small spot…approximately crotch level
/laughing...
Yeah for that millisecond before he becomes a somewhat larger, although still diminutive stain on the turf…
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Worthless
Without Matt Turk.
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 6, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely
/nods wisely
/realizes how foolish this looks
SQUIRREL!
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
What? No Rackers?
It will never work
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 6, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
He has to be left out.
He tackles too well.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now help me find my pants!
Oklahoma City Plunder delenda est.
by UprootedTexan on May 6, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point UT... Rackers CAN tackle...
It’s TURK that just can’t figure to kick a ball out of the endzone after it has been high-snapped past him and he has two opposing players bearing down on him…
“KICK IT!!! JUST KICK IT OUT THE BACK OF THE ENDZONE!!! KICK IT!!! NO DON’T RUN AROUND IT LIKE A MAYPOLE!!!! KICK IT!!! AAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!! TURK YOU IDIOT!!!!”
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Don't diss the Turk
We wouldn’t have won that Green Bay game without his scrambling ability.
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 7, 2011 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Phillips Playbook
His entire defensive playbook when he was w/ the 2003 Falcons is on scribd.com
by MghtyPtrck on May 6, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Possible comp to Mario's coverage "responsibilities"
Ware was targeted 30 times over the past three years. That’s .63 times per game where Ware had obvious coverage responsibilities.
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I've thrown that number out there...
As a reason for why coverage is an overblown aspect of 3-4 outside linebacking. But truth be told, it’s not entirely accurate. Times targeted doesn’t equate to times in coverage. But still, agreed that it’s a minor issue alongside pass-rush, and you can scheme around it.
Oops
Credit to you, then.
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When the Texans announced that Wade Phillips will switch to a 3-4, Mario was the biggest skeptic.
His attitude has changed since talking to Phillips so I don’t understand why people are saying this won’t work. The guy who’s playing the position, who earlier in the year said it won’t work, is now saying he’s excited about it. I believe Mario is one of the better judges of his abilities and if he says this is an opportunity for him, I’m going to go with what he says.
Quotes from Mario:
“I feel great about it,” Williams said about moving to weak-side linebacker. "What an opportunity for me.
“Wade told me he’ll put me in the best position to make plays, and the biggest thing that got my attention was when he said, ‘Just go.’ He wants me to get after the quarterback 90 percent of the time. He said, ‘When the ball’s snapped, I want you to go, be fast and get the quarterback.’
“When they want me to cover, I’ll do it. I don’t think that’ll happen too much. I don’t think you’ll see me turning and running and covering somebody man-to-man down the field.”
Some more quotes
“I’m very excited about this,” Williams said. "I think it’ll be a good change-up for our team — not just for me, but overall because of the flexibility Wade will have with the way he’ll be able to mix things up.
“Playing defensive end, I have a few more responsibilities. Being an outside linebacker, I’m always on the edge. When the ball’s snapped, it’s full go after the quarterback.
“I’m eager to get on the field and learn the terminology. I want to work on the things (linebackers) coach (Reggie) Herring and coach Phillips want to teach me about playing outside linebacker.”
This is a good point - "Coach Herring"
That means he is no longer under Bill Kollar, directly. Herring is a new guy and someone who will coach Mario the subtleties of footwork, which upfront was an issue. “Just go”…. aren’t those the sweetest words that Mario can hear? “Just go, Mario, just go.” Opposing TE or LT, “Oh shiiiii-iiiiittttt-ttttttt…..”
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on May 6, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And Herring has coached Mario before
He’s a big reason for that 1st overall draft selection so there’s obviously chemistry between the two. I can’t wait to see what they can do with him.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
I think part of it is just numbers
I mean, look at how people complain about Mario when he doesn’t put up eleventy gajillion sacks every season. At DE, it would be far more likely his counting stats would be suppressed. At OLB, he’s more likely to collect more sacks. He’ll be equally effective either way, and should theoretically be even better thanks to having an actual defensive scheme.
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I definitely agree with you on this.
Our defense was terrible last year. Abysmal pass rush and abysmal secondary. Numbers mean a lot to people, I mean seriously, look at Deangelo Hall. He was voted into the Probowl because of his INT’s, though from what I remember about last year, he gave up A LOT of yards (near Kareem Jackson numbers.) Mario’s sole job in the 4-3 DE role was to get to the quarterback. So why not place him in the best position to get to the QB in a 3-4?
I don't think i've seen anyone flat out say "this won't work"
Just because it’s possible doesn’t mean it’s optimal. Anyone saying it will definitely work or that it definitely won’t work should be ignored at this point, we won’t know until we actually see it on the field.
l get what you're saying, here
And l don’t mean to twist your point too far, but that can be said prior to any season, for any team.
and we missed out on the optimal course
when we had to settle on Richard Smith and Frank Bush to build this D previously
Ultimately, this is simply a matter of
putting your best pass rusher in the position where he has the best opportunity to successfully rush the passer.
You don’t not make this move because 10% of the time, you might be exposed. That’s reverse logic. It would be like turning down an awesome steak because you don’t like the garnish.
The team is better off maximizing Mario’s pass rushing potential and risking being beat on the occasional time he has to cover, as opposed to sub-optimizing the overall team pass rush to avoid being burnt by a back out of the backfield. If that only happens 5% of the time, who cares as long as the rest of the time, the opposing quarterback is changing his shorts every series.
You optimize your strengths and then manage the exceptions, not the other way around.
by Vega on May 6, 2011 11:36 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Yes
There isn’t another player on this team who I would rather see being optimized like this. Mario is the guy!
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
For that 10% of the time when Mario is exposed
The hope is that he would have teammates to cover for him.
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 6, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
twice at least...
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
if you got the dimebag
i got the philly
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by theSpaceCityKid on May 6, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Some numbers that may have been forgotten
40 Yard Dash: 4.65
10 Yard Split: 1.8
Vertical Jump: 40"
He might not be as agile as a CB but it’s not like your putting Shaun Rogers into the secondary.
did the haters of this idea forget that he can run and jump?
I'm looking forward to bigger and better things from the Texans this year... I've decided to start fresh and refocus on the things that matter... thats right... I speak of SKIN BLEACH! no need to burn your throat.. it can't feel it anymore anyways! apply directly to the skin or eyes and let the mind blowing pain steal your focus from the disaster on the field!
The haters of this idea
still think we should’ve taken Radio or Reggie.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
I saw that T=the Redskins were looking at Radio
in the theoretical sense – since there is the lockout.
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 6, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Haven't the Redskins suffered enough?
Now that I think about it…no. Go to D.C., Radio!
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by UprootedTexan on May 6, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
BSPN just did a "skeptic or believer" bit on NFL Live
The were split. Wiley believes and Stink doesn’t, which is not big surprise. Nothing ground breaking of course. The main concerns were a) Mario’s size could make it difficult to cover and b) It’ll be a bigger test of his vision and football IQ than his athletic ability. Again, nothing new really.
On another note, Schlereth said the Texans are the best fit for Scrabble. That’s the first time I’ve heard a talking head say that. OH GOD PLEEEEAAASSE!!!
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
That would be super rad...
If we were one player away. Sadly, we still need starters at SS and NT to find.
I’d be fine pouring all the $ into Scrabble, but it’s gonna downgrade those other two positions, and limit our options.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
just a POV from a Cowboys/Ware fan
and not a Texan hater…Ware has proven that he can cover when asked to…I’ve seen him cover driver or jones (cant remember)down field ,and breaking up the pass,during the green bay game Farve got knocked out of a few years ago,Bush,Westbrook,TE’s WR"S..He is not a liability in coverage and makes you pay when he can rush, that will be Mario’s only 2 jobs..make em pay when you drop back or when they leave you on the line..the main thing is having another highly skilled rusher..whether it be the other OLB or one of the DL..in Dallas’ run in late 2009 when they took down the Saints and beat the eagles back to back..Ware and Jay Ratliff NT, where the dominant pass rushers on that D..thru blitzes and stunts Wade was able to bring more heat earlier in the season..it was when the other OLB Spencer turned it on, that’s when that D went nuts…Lat year other than Ware or Ratliff there was no rush…so I think Watt, Demecco and Cush"s ablities to get to the QB should help with Mario’s learning curve..
"Let me tell you sumthin' son ! an ass whippin' hurts no matter what kinda shape your in ! " Stone Cold Steve Austin
No Offense Jerrah
But most Texans fans hate those guys from southern Oklahoma
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by Barryfromtexas on May 7, 2011 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Which is where I think we'll see the problems
Barwin/Reed has upside and could work, but you can’t just pencil them in for double digit sacks from that spot. And when you think about that then you have Mitchell making what could be a huge transition to a 3-4 NT (as well as Shaun Cody).
That’s not even counting what could be another terrible secondary if we don’t pick up decent vets in whatever free agency there is this year.
Antonio Smith
can rush the passer pretty damn well and when you have Cushing and Barwin as well it would not be hard to say we could have those three prime time pass rushers next year
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by theSpaceCityKid on May 7, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Methinks our sack production is going to be quite diversified next year.
Might not have anybody in double digits, but I think you’ll see a handful of guys (Smith, Watt, Barwin, Reed, and Cush) all in the 5-8 range, and Mario leading with eight or nine.
Maybe by now no one will re-check this thread
But from what I see here at BRB is that we love or Mario! We want him to succeed and we think Wade can make that happen.
Stop and think about this – this is a downright kum-ba-yah moment!
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
yup... feelin' th' luv
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We've been ahead of the curve on that one for a long time.
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 7, 2011 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
/hides Panda suit
/approaches cautiously
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
/Starts Bonfire with Frank Bush Playbooks
/realizes it is not much of a fire
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 7, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
/realizes that two of the books haven't even been colored in yet....
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
But seriously
Why can’t this work and why can’t we have aspirations for Mario to be Defensive Player of the Year next season? Why not? He had his hernia operation and I haven’t heard of any complications with that. He’s still one of the most freakish physical specimens in the NFL, if not all of professional sports. Putting him in a position of what is historically a huge position for sacks and sacking is what he’s best at. He’s damn good at covering the run, too. I see opportunity. I see success. I see WIN!
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on May 7, 2011 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
i see many virgin deaths on our way to the top!
"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\\"
-mitmil22
by theSpaceCityKid on May 7, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Guys check out the latest Wade has to say about Mario.
He won’t be like Ware it will basically a 5-2 front.
No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.
basically be*
No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.
I think the point was...
It will be exactly like Ware. He just felt he needed to clarify that Mario, just like Ware, will hardly ever be asked to drop into coverage. That’s how I saw it anyway.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
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