PFR: Mario Williams And DeMarcus Ware
by Tim on May 7, 2011 2:00 PM CDT
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PrintEver since word broke that Wade Phillips intends to try Mario Williams as the weakside OLB in the 3-4 scheme, people have been comparing Super Mario to another OLB that flourished in Wade's scheme--DeMarcus Ware. While some are skeptical of Super Mario having the same impact at OLB as he's had at DE, I figure it's still worth a quick look at the Pro Football Reference stats to see what sort of data stands out.
The following is with the monstrous caveats that (1) Ware had a whole lot more talent around him from 2007-2010 (Wade's time as a head coach in Dallas) than Super Mario does right now; (2) Ware never had to move from DE in a 4-3 to OLB in a 3-4 as a professional; and (3) stats do not tell the whole story of a player's value. Nevertheless, DeMarcus Ware's numbers during his time under Wade Phillips:
2007: 60 tackles, 14.0 sacks, 4 passes defensed, 4 forced fumbles.
2008: 69 tackles, 20.0 sacks, 2 passes defensed, 6 forced fumbles.
2009: 45 tackles, 11.0 sacks, 6 passes defensed, 5 forced fumbles.
2010*: 56 tackles, 15.5 sacks, 1 pass defensed, 2 forced fumbles.
* Wade Phillips was fired after the first eight games of the 2010 season.
Purely for a sense of what Mario's done as a DE in several historically bad 4-3 schemes, here are Mario Williams' career stats.
What do you expect out of Mario Williams, 3-4 OLB, in 2011?
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58 tackles, 12.5 sacks, 2 FFs sounds about right. Mario is the least of my worries
by AllenOU on May 7, 2011 2:26 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Yup, I like Allen's numbers...
I might even venture a full 14 sacks…
I’m pretty comfortable that Mario will perform wherever he is put…
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Also of note...
Ware has been absolutely exceptional against both the pass and the run if you buy into football outsiders’ charting. In both stop-rate and yards per play allowed, he has never finished worse than eighth among his position group. Mario can be good, but let’s not let our hate for Dallas cloud the fact that DeMarcus Ware has pretty much been the Albert Pujols of outside linebacking for the past six years; just consistently DPOY-worthy.
I’m fairly confident he’ll have no trouble at all producing as a pass-rusher and run defender for the most part. Though I do think it’ll take some adjusting to get proficient at playing screen passes, end-arounds, and outside running plays.
Mario will perform......
He will be coached like never before and a light will turn on. Bank on it.
My attitude is like a virgin......I dont give a fuck!
His man strength
hasnt even kicked in yet. He is going to be a monster if……..he stays healthy
My attitude is like a virgin......I dont give a fuck!
If you're not a man by 26
You’re never going to be one… I’m 35 and already feel like an old man half the time, remembering back on the good old days, I was at my best around my early to mid 20s, late 20s I felt good but the knees got stiff sometimes on cold mornings and back would ache after long days, now sometimes I wish I didn’t have to get out of bed in the mornings, i’m losing hair where I want to keep it and growing hair where I don’t want it (I try to look at it not that i’m losing hair, but that i’m growing forehead)…. Youth goes away so fast, seems like the blink of an eye in hindsight… But I can vaguely remember the time when 20 was old.
by Bryan72076 on May 7, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yeah but I am Sure You Weren't NFL Ready at 26....
I am not thinking about next year… JUST THIS ONE… He will get at least 16 sacks all things considered and the newness of Wades Strategy to AFC teams….Watch out Peyton….Mario is a coming….
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
"growing forehead"... nice... /rec'd
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Amen brother
I am in the same boat. I have a theory that the reason children are so youthful and full of energy is because they secretly suck the life from their parents while they sleep. I look back at a picture of myself from 3 years ago and I look 10 years younger. The cake is a lie.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
Mario at OLB is going to be revolutionary!
Also, imagine, we will see him play at under 280 and think of how fast he will be! He’s a thouroughbred.
Speaking of thouroughbreads, I’m taking Master of Hounds in the Derby today… Lonshot.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on May 7, 2011 3:05 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think he can get down to 275 maybe but 280 will work.
He already on a diet i bet. Something about these pros when they need to lose weight or gain they will. That is why i think Okoye is going to get bigger along with Mitchell, which in my case is alot easier then losing it.
How about your Derby pick?
I think the decreased weight will also allow Mario to play better coming off his hernia surgery.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on May 7, 2011 3:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Read somewhere the other day...
That Merriman played in the 275-280 range for a little while in San Diego. Gives me a bit of renewed hope.
Roids will do that...
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by Rip Jersey on May 7, 2011 3:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Changing weight isn't always the best...
we all remember Steve Slaton gaining 10 lbs. and look where that got him: starting behind an undrafted, albeit amazing, player. As for playing him at OLB, I think it can work because I believe Wade can protect him. If Bush was still here and he made this announcement I would be furious, but the fact is Wade knows how to run his defensive scheme. He isn’t like our past coaches; he has the experience and the football/ coaching IQ to put players where he needs them.
Losing weight won't make you slower
And Mario can be at 275-280 and be a little quicker without losing strength
by AllenOU on May 7, 2011 4:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Another Quick Weight Loss Story
Aren’t there enough of those?
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on May 7, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Mario will be Long, Quick and Big
That combination will allow him to dominate in Wade’s D. Imagine what Wade is thinking right now, now that he has an athlete like Mario to play with in his scheme! Wade will feel like he’s playing a video game!
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
That's taking into account a strike-shortened season.
51 sacks for a whole 16-game season.
Lockout, not strike
There’s a difference.
Blind fandom is all I got left. That and this bottle of Clorox. And this Drano. And this lamp. And this paddle ball game.
Ware and Super Mario aren't similar, at all.
They are in the same situation though.
Ware is a 3-4 OLB that rarely drops back into coverage, and Mario will do the same.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
Complete opposites
Except in all the ways they’re the same?
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
Hmmm
I’m going with 52 Tackles, 11 Sacks, 7 Passed Defensed (Due to long arms/size) and 2 Forced Fumbles.
Ok guys check this out and tell me what you think about brandon again.
I like the pick and all but it seems like we seen some of the stuff on here way to much. I do give him effort though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dALAF-IbRag
Yeah
he got beat by Michael Floyd in that game. He did a good job on catching the RB from behind and stripping the ball though it did not go Miami’s way. From what I saw, he stayed with his man but he made some bad judgement like going after the ball too early or didn’t time right and ended up slipping. Good recovery job by him at that last play to get his hand up and bat the ball away after slipping. Based on what I saw, he has a knack for going after the ball even if he is on his man. I’d say good CB#2 since he won’t have to cover a much taller WR#1
Yea i still like the pick
But from what i saw looks like he will be nickel corner. I too was wondering why he was falling down hopefully we can get that fixed with him and kareem and brice.
I think he can be a CB#2 eventually
though he’ll start as a nickel at first. I mean, Michael Floyd will be a WR#1 on any team so to expect him to cover a #1 will be difficult for BH due to his size disadvantage. The reason I think he can be a #2 is his ball skills. The guy is a ball hawk and with better coaching, he’ll excel. When I see video of him, I think he’s a better prospect than Kareem. I’m excited for his career and what he can bring to the Texans.
I think this is why a veteran CB to play the #1 spot is very important
since I don’t buy KJax as a #1. The good news is that based on the Texans town conference, they hinted of looking at several veteran corners in FA.
Yea i agree we do need a vet CB
i hope vance can teach the the guys not to fall. Yes i know Michael Floyd was and is going to be a great recieiver, but still he needs to be able to cover him a little better. Also i can say this much he likes to jumps routes which is something i never saw Kareem do.
Cutting Molden for starters will clear room for a FA move
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
i agree molden will be gone and maybe even McManis too.
I know he was good on speical teams so they might keep McManis but if thats the case jason allen will be gone. I would like for him to move to safety if anybody.
I'd rather they keep McManis and dump McCain
He was awful this past season. I also think Allen is gone. One year and done.
I am Sancho
by HoustonTransplant on May 8, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Molden isn't exactly making a ton of money
Roster spots shouldn’t be an issue, at least for camp. Molden might get cut anyway, but we don’t HAVE to cut Molden to bring in a vet.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
Yeah I think he'll be able to cover better
with coaching from vance. He’s better in man-to-man than zone coverage but playing in the nickel will give him experience with zone coverage so i see improvements there. I love the fact that he likes to jump routes because it means he has good anticipation and has good football IQ to recognize routes.
Nit picking.
Yeah he slipped twice, one time he gave up a TD the other time he knocked down a pass.Other than that he played really well considering how bad the defense played overall. Prince Amukamara got beat up a bit by Justin Blackman last year doesn’t mean he’s a bad prospect at CB. Rough game doesn’t mean he won’t become a better player in the NFL. You could look up college games for just about any star in the NFL and nit pick.
Harris still has starter ability IMO and was a pretty solid pick. I had him as one of those sleeper CB’s in the draft and I’m glad the Texans picked him.
No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.
Brandon Harris hates the Sun Bowl turf.
Blind fandom is all I got left. That and this bottle of Clorox. And this Drano. And this lamp. And this paddle ball game.
I still think Mario should be the NT
rather than OLB…..I just feel he would be as dominate there as Jay Ratliff is…
With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"
i'm no texan fan but
That would just be a horrible idea…
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"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Hey its not bad idea.
Can you see teams double and triple teaming Mario, only to leave someone else unblocked. He should not start there just do it every now and then.
Stick around... They get MUUUCH worse...
Ask Jordann about Vicks Vap-O-Rub as a sexual lubricant… The Panda screams are still reverberating up and down the west coast…
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
how so?
lets compare shall we?….(via NFL Draft Scout)
Mario Williams:
Height: 6-7
Weight: 295
40 Yrd Dash: 4.70
20 Yrd Dash: 2.77
10 Yrd Dash: 1.60
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 35
Vertical Jump: 40 1/2
Broad Jump: 10’00"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.37
3-Cone Drill: 7.21
Jay Ratliff:
Height: 6-3
Weight: 292
40 Yrd Dash: 4.85
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 26
Vertical Jump: 33 1/2
Broad Jump: 9’9"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.23
3-Cone Drill: 7.35
Demarcus Ware:
Height: 6-4
Weight: 251
40 Yrd Dash: 4.56
20 Yrd Dash: 2.71
10 Yrd Dash: 1.62
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 27
Vertical Jump: 38 1/2
Broad Jump: 10’02"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.07
3-Cone Drill: 6.85
Now to clarify things….
Vertical and Broad jump=explosion
SS(short shuttle) and 3-cone drill= agility
Notice that while not quite as Agile as Ratliff and Ware are, Williams is way stronger and more explosive than Ratliff and Ware. Now the biggest knock on Ratliff is that he has issues with double teams, in that because he relies more on quickness and agility, Doubling him negates that. You put a Double on Mario and all you are doing is pissing him off…..
Now throw JJ Watt next to him:
JJ Watt:
Height: 6-5
Weight: 290
40 Yrd Dash: 4.81
20 Yrd Dash: 2.71
10 Yrd Dash: 1.64
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 34
Vertical Jump: 37
Broad Jump: 10’00"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.21
3-Cone Drill: 6.88
with those two next to each other The WOLB will be getting alot of “free runs” because both JJ and Mario will command a Double team which means that 4 players will be blocking JJ and Mario….which means that any LB that blitzes will be coming free, if they simply delay it a half sec…..
BTW great pick of JJ…I wouldn’t have minded if Dallas had taken him at #9….And I Loved the Tyron Smith pick….
With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"
by I am Ironman!!! on May 8, 2011 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think it will happen, but it is possible on passing downs as a change of pace
Wade was at Philly under Buddy Ryan and they would put Reggie White over center in some situations.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
I'm going to predict 11.5 sacks for Mario in 2011.
Our front seven has improved dramatically, especially with Watt, so Mario will not face constant double teams.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
There will be football
High School, College, Arena. Nah just messing with you. Pretty sure NFL will play.
I keep telling myself that.
But Wade is gonna need time to get these guys ready and the longer this lockout goes on the harder it is to believe we will be ready.
Texas. Gods favorite country.
I know atleast offense should be ready day one
No changes on that side of the unless vonta is really gone.
I don't think so
Im pretty sure the defense will adapt to the scheme quicker than we think
by Carter Liles on May 8, 2011 11:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
we will see.
i mean you got alot of key players moving. Quin to safety, mario to OLB, Cushing to MLB, Barwin or Reed to OLB. Might take some time, i hope not but i want feel bad if we look back first game, as long as O can score.
And UFL :)
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by Barryfromtexas on May 8, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty disappointed in you guys to forget about this:
by WhiskeyR on May 8, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 10 recs
Thanks for the reminder
+1
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by Barryfromtexas on May 8, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
^^^ Everyone should rec this ^^^
Regardless of your sexual disposition/orientation, you should find this hot.
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UFL is pretty cool
I really want a UFL team in San Antonio. We have nothing here for local football.
The strong do what they have to do; the weak accept what they have to accept
Damn another San Antonio person here.
i wonder how many of us live here. I agree UFL would be good for San Antonio
eff that
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by The Night Owl on May 8, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
by DilloTex on May 8, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Obviously a person of quality and good taste...
Thank you.
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
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There we go.
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 9, 2011 5:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Green dat mutha!
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by UprootedTexan on May 9, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't get it
Why is he beating off while standing over a sleeping horse?
Blind fandom is all I got left. That and this bottle of Clorox. And this Drano. And this lamp. And this paddle ball game.
Who wouldn't?
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by Shake on May 9, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was wondering the same thing
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"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
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