Amobi Okoye To Move To End In Texans' 3-4 Defense
"I think he's got ability," Phillips said. "We've got to see if we can get him to channel it the right way. I didn't think he played well last season, but I think he can."
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I wish Amobi was trade fodder
Based on what Wade said, he’s not sure what to expect out of this guy. Going on that, I would rather trade him.
he has no trade value
We’d be doing well to get a 5th for him and we need bodies to fill in as rotational DE’s behind Watt and Smith.
This year a 5th got us a ST player and a developmental QB. He has more value if he can fit as a rotational guy this year.
by rlgosnell on May 9, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Smokescreen?
Anyone think Wade’s just trying to show that we have SOME use for Okoye so teams don’t automatically assume he’ll be cut because he doesn’t fit our scheme? Maybe Wade is looking to trade him, and doesn’t want people thinking he’ll be available as a free agent…
Doubt it.
We could use the depth at DE and with Mario at OLB he will probably get a lot of snaps. He’s getting one more chance to prove that’s he’s not a bust.
Also I doubt there is any trade value for him even with a smokescreen. He’s basically a bust now.
No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.
At end, in a 1 gap penetrating scheme, orchestrated by someone not retarded,
he may have some success. I don’t think WPh is gonna cut him just yet. Great defensive coaches see untapped talent and want to coach it, not cut it. I think if Amobi doesn’t turn into at least a decent rotational player at end, then he will be cut.
The strong do what they have to do; the weak accept what they have to accept
Re: coaching up untapped talent
David Carr agrees
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by LoneSpot on May 9, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
So cold.
Oh, so cold.
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 9, 2011 11:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
It is hard not to be bitter about that
But as I recall, in addition to being young, Okoye didnt play football in HS. So if the coaching was bad for him here, he would indeed have suffered more than most from that since he did not have a lot of prior (good) experience to fall back on. Wade does give me hope, but we arent going to know for sure until they get out on the playing field.
I do think we are much better off playing him rather than trading him. If he improves, even if he doesnt fit our scheme and future plans, at least he might become more marketable than a fifth rounder. In other words, there isnt a lot of downside to playing him (as long as it isnt my money paying him).
Carr was lazy ...
Amobi is not… Therein lies my cause for hope.
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I honestly could not care less if he stays or goes.
But he is NOT AT ALL , IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, fit for our sceme
Actually
I think he would be a great fit at NT in this scheme. Look at it this way (all stats via PFF as usual, NT/DT stats only):
Over the past two years, Okoye is 4th in total QB Hits (14), 6th in QB Pressures (41), and 6th overall between the two (55). What Okoye hasn’t done well is to close the deal, getting only 5 sacks over those two years.
Shaun Cody? 18 hits and pressures over the last two years. But he’s supposed to be the better option? Okoye has a proven track record of at least scaring the QB. Cody has a proven track record of being a matador.
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by bigfatdrunk on May 9, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Okoye could end up being a backup to all three DL spots
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by The Night Owl on May 9, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Cody didn't play on passing downs...
On the other hand, Okoye was an 800+ snap guy each year who got to play on third-and-long situations. The only use for him is inside in our 4-man fronts, which is now likely to be occupied by Watt and Antonio Smith.
Okoye had 1.83x more snaps than did Cody
So, even if we extrapolate, that’s only 33 hits and pressures, or 22 less than Cody.
One can get to the QB. One cannot.
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I think the 3rd and long matters quite a bit too
Obvious passing situations as those are
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
But how much
Okoye is still the 6th ranked over the past two years. Okoye had 28 pressures/hits in 2008, so he’s probably ranked higher than 6th over three years. His numbers aren’t outliers.
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Also
I’m perfectly aware I’m pissing against the wind by championing Okoye over Mitchell and, especially, Cody. Cody simply must have pics of Kubiak with a goat. No other explanation.
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I'm with you as far as
Okoye being a better option than Cody. I don’t think he and Mitchell are very different.
I do think the Texans PR machine has been pushing the Okoye can’t penetrate line too much.
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I have been wondering if there is a bit of psychology
going on with Okoye. Downplaying his expected role on the team to try and fire him up a little to do better.
Wade can't wait to get DeMeco back on the field to put Okoyes unusual fear of chickens into practice
The plan is for DeMeco to line up right behind Amobi Okoye and strut and make chicken noises right before the snap. Word is that DeMeco is practicing his buk-buk-BU-UK during his rehab.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on May 10, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
…for the mental image.
Can you imagine the look on 5heads face when he sees that? We’d probably get at least one sack the first time just because he’d be laughing so hard.
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I was laughing too hard... sorry... /fixed
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I see the problem now
Someone needs to explain to Amobi that the opposing quarterbacks are going hut hut huuut, and not buck buck buuuck
Quite a bit, I would imagine.
I’m guessing somebody out there has done some math to figure out the ratio of hurries/hits/sacks on obvious passing situations as opposed to normal downs. I’d be interested to see it, actually.
But back to the original point, you’re only looking at one side of the coin. I submit: one can hold his own against the run, one cannot. As it much as it hurts to know, there’s nobody else on the roster capable of playing the run as well as Cody does at DT (no, he’s not below replacement level; call 2009 and aberration if you want, but he graded just fine in 2010). Whereas when it comes to pass-rushing, if you’re building a four-man front, would you really proclaim Okoye a starter? I’d prefer Mario-Watt-Smith-Barwin/Reed, personally.
The point of the NT in Wade's system is to get to the QB
Not stop the run.
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That's just not true...
Just because he doesn’t require a monster nose tackle doesn’t mean run defense is irrelevant. If you throw Okoye in there as a three-down player, you wind up with a liability on the field 40% of the time. And from the looks of the Pancakes article above, Okoye doesn’t even fit the profile for a Phillips NT. Quoth the Wade:
He hustles like crazy, but he doesn’t penetrate the way you’d like him to
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Yes, I've read it.
“One-gap” is not the same as “one-dimensional”. Just because Ratliff is undersized doesn’t mean he can’t play the run. If you’re going to run that kind of defense, you’d better make sure that your nose tackle consistently hits his gap and makes the stop when the ball-carrier is coming his way.
But hell, I don’t know why I’m arguing about this. Wade has pretty much said it for me. The guy is gushing over Earl Mitchell despite seeing limited snaps, whereas he had ample evidence on tape to relegate Okoye to back-up DE.
Yep
You win on a technicality. :-P
I just still super strongly believe Okoye has potential and it is being overlooked.
BTW, was it you or WhiskeyR that said to watch Arrested Development? Great stuff. Should finish the first season tonight.
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Probably me.
Glad I could spread the gospel. It’s definitely in the same vein as Archer; they work magic with those recurring jokes. Though I’m not sure if any of the writers carried over, or if it’s just the voices. Either way, enjoy it. I wish I could have my memory selectively erased so I could watch it again for the first time.
Get to the QB is relative
More than, say, Eugene Wilson? Sure. But it’s not like he’s Jay Ratliff.
Needs more nose tackle.
Agreed with Nash above on Shaun Cody
but your point still stands that he could be effective, especially since all Ive heard since the hiring is that WP3-4 is different from all others, NOTABLY at the NT position. I just think that Earl Mitchel might prove to be just as good a player as Amobi, only with a better motor (somethting he’ll need as an undersized NT). Fact is, Okoye could prove as solid depth, and/or a change of pace on the DL, both great things to have.
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by theSpaceCityKid on May 9, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
earl mitchell will be are starting nt.
Im 99% positive about that. Cody will rotatein, and okoye might play some end.
by Carter Liles on May 9, 2011 12:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I say we trade cody
for some BBQ, and Shiner!
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by Taco Joe on May 9, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
...and Zima
Which has a chance at becoming more valuable over time, given its scarcity.
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by LoneSpot on May 9, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah cuz then we can sell it to tim
at ridiculous prices… Lonespot we could own the souls of his family after the second bottle, I have a coupon from the devil bring sell two souls get third wish free!
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Yes on the shinner he should garner a couple cases at least lol
by Mike 76 on May 9, 2011 3:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes on the shinner he should garner a couple cases at least lol
by Mike 76 on May 9, 2011 3:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Wade looks at Tim
/trollface
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This could be the best thing for the young fella guys
Who likes to getten beat out of there job, nobody so i expect him to come in and wreck. Also i think that we are saying he could be ready to take over antonio spot when the time comes.
I like this idea...
He is still football young so he should continue to get better year after year.
by Its Gonna Happen on May 9, 2011 6:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
"I didn't think he played well last season"
Criticize a player? A Texans coach?
Not sure whose head asplosion will be a greater magnitude, mine or Kubes’s.
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 9, 2011 11:46 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Really
A breath of fresh air concerning what we hear from coaches
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by Barryfromtexas on May 9, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Not exactly the highest of praise for our formerly beloved "phenom"
“I think he’s got ability,” Phillips said. “We’ve got to see if we can get him to channel it the right way. I didn’t think he played well last season, but I think he can..”
“He hustles like crazy, but he doesn’t penetrate the way you’d like him to,” Phillips said of Okoye. “I’m going to give him a chance. He’s quick like some guys I’ve had before at defensive end, but I don’t know what he’s going to do.”
I think Okoye is going to have to play like he’s never had to play before, or be gone.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Reading that last line.
Made me think of “Flash Dance”
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you know..
in this scheme where its allegedly all about getting up the field to cause disruption, i think Amobi might actually find his stride. He’s got the quickness but lets face it, he’s never had the coaching and likely never been in a scheme thats played to that quickness. If his job is “Shoot the Gap” the second the ball is snapped, i think we may have a more productive season from him. especially if he responds like a man to being told he’s a backup until he proves it.
Worst case scenario: He remains below average and becomes depth
Best case scenario: He becomes good and makes an impact OR becomes trade value
Good God, what’s wrong with me? All this confidence and hope… Damn you Wade!!!
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by BattleRedHusker on May 9, 2011 12:27 PM CDT reply actions
"but lets face it, he’s never had the coaching"
Well, technically his position coach will be the same so I’m not exactly overwhelmed with confidence. Let’s hope the difference in scheme is enough.
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Why Kollar why? (sic)
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Small and penetrating.
That’s how Kollar likes his boys.
Needs more nose tackle.
Freudian, much?
:-)
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i thought that was the company line this past year...
If his job is "Shoot the Gap" the second the ball is snapped,
I thought of that too
But then I realized we could never trust anything Bush said about his defense.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
when did he ever say anything about defense other than "simplify?"
I bet he was talking about ice cream those other times
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 10, 2011 6:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Jesus, how does McClain still have a job?
When he writes factually incorrect drivel like this:
Okoye, the 10th overall pick in 2007, has been a four-year starter who has played the run well but hasn’t provided the pass rush the Texans thought he would.
Hasn’t it been pointed out to him a hundred times that Okoye is not good against the run? Also frightening: that Phillips is concerned about Kareem’s deep speed. We spent a first-round pick on a guy who can’t cover deep? Headasplode.
I like that at least wades being honest with what hes got.
by Carter Liles on May 9, 2011 12:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It is a lot easier to be honest
with the last guys mistakes, lol.
True that.
While I admired Frank Bush’s insistence that the players were in place, perhaps he should have fought more with Rick Smith for some serious personnel changes. That’s the beauty of having an established DC, I suppose. Wade isn’t afraid to admit that he can’t get the job done with the garbage from last year. Maybe some honesty will actually get him a legit CB in free agency.
He and Glover Quin will make a great pair of safeties someday.
Maybe.
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This just in from McClain-
Decemo Ryans, formerly the MLB of the Texans defense, will be moved to ILB in the new 3-4 scheme once he returns healthy
.
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by theSpaceCityKid on May 9, 2011 12:59 PM CDT reply actions
Interesting revelation.
Any news on water? Is it still wet?
by Nashmeister on May 9, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
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by The Night Owl on May 10, 2011 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
oh double stack strikes again...
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just to clarify: this was a joke
i dont wanna get in trouble for misquoting pancakes!
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by theSpaceCityKid on May 9, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
for starters
Pancakes doesnt say anything worth quoting
Sadly
That’s the kind of “breaking” news some outlets (rotoworld, for example) depend on Pancakes for. Sad.
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by Barryfromtexas on May 9, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I am gonna send amobi a lil diddy that goes like this...
Just a small town girl, living in a lonely world…
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I hate the slow news from Lockout NFL
I see this as nothing more than one of those “we know what he can’t do, let’s see if we can find something he can do” types of moves.
Credit Wade for not being afraid to shift things up. Putting Amobi in at nose isn’t going to accomplish much, but maybe moving him around can spark something. It’s worth a shot.
It’s probably pretty safe to say, though, that this is his last shot.
Yep.
He hasn’t been the pass rusher inside we thought we got in the 1st round so we’ll see what’s he got this upcoming season.
No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.
some one has mention to me
that we should run a 4-2-5 defense. Now here me out front four would be mario watt smith and okoye or barwin. LB cushing and Meco. our DB Keo, jackson,harris,quin, carmichael or Vet FA. what do y’all think?
Wade said something about playing the 5-2
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
5-2 is basically 3-4
Just depends on how you use the ends
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by Barryfromtexas on May 9, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
5 Dline that can rush the passer
2 tackling LBs.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
I believe it's called the nickle
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by Barryfromtexas on May 9, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
If he means like the 4-2-5 gaining popularity in college ball,
such as what TCU runs, or what Tech will run next year, it’s not just an ordinary nickel. I’m not too clear on how it works, but I know it involves using 3 safeties.
Yeah I'm betting that's what he means.
That would be interesting to. It would be strong against the pass (Colts) but weak against the run (Titans,Jags). He might have a package like that planned because it would help our weakness become a strength.
No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.
Damn
Are you actually talking about having a game plan?
Yeah on defense.
I’ve almost forgotten what that was like…
No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.
Yea Mr. Manager got it.
Who says we will be weak on th e run if we run it. 4 down lineman 2 linebackers 3 safteies and 2 corners. I know this will take away of our pass rush somewhat but 4-2-5 is getting very popular now.
We don't even have one competent safety on our roster...
Running a scheme that employs three of ’em would be sheer madness.
by Nashmeister on May 9, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i honestly cant wait!!!
i am actually excited about a madden game… I only got it last year because it had been a while since i had gotten one
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I rather have the flexibility of Wade's 3-4
With what you show, I like Barwin better because there is some disguise…he can move up to the line for 4-3-4 if it looks like a run, or stay back in coverage for pass. The nickel is where you really think they are going to pass 90% of the time (might be a safe bet with last years pass defense….but I think we improve this year).
With Wade’s 3-4 there is even more disguise because both OLB’s are flexible.
but in retrospect
something you consider if you are short on linebackers (problems with Meco and Barwin coming back from injury), but I rather not think about that at this point
or I guess if we resign Pollard you could
try to use him here in a swing safety/lb role
I doubt Carmichael would be a starter. Replace him with the Vet CB we are hopefully getting.
BTW I think the Colts run something like this a lot.
No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.
Looks like Wade may be doing a 5-2 type of front.
I doubt he has any type of permanent 4-2-5 formation in mind.
No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.
This is what I was talking about
We’re not going to drop him," Phillips said. "We’re going to rush him. That’s why I say we’re more of a 5-2, in that those five guys are coming a lot of the time, especially the position Mario plays. DeMarcus Ware played that position, Bryce Paup – on and on, guys that have led the league. They didn’t lead the league in sacks by dropping a whole lot."
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Wow 5-2 huh.
That will be kinda cool. So it will be Mario, Smith, Watt, Cody or mitchell, reed or okoye. all down
Funny look above
I said the 3-4 was basically a 5-2 Who woulda known I was so clever.
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by Barryfromtexas on May 9, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I might be misunderstanding you but not all down
Lineup would be Mario (Standing up or hand on the ground), Smith/Okoye (Hand down), Cody/Mitchell (Hand down), Watt/Okoye (Hand down), Reed/Barwin (Standing up) with Meco and Cushing playing behind them. Argh, even as I’m typing this, Phillips mentioned that he’ll move Mario at DE on some plays so I’m guessing before the ball is snapped, Mario will swap positions from the WILL with someone at the DE and rush when there is an obvious mismatch. I don’t even want to think about Cushing rushing from the OLB which WPh has stated. Argh seriously, the possibilities are endless.
And from Phillips for those who says Mario will drop into coverage from time to time:
bq. Asked how much concern he has about Williams dropping into coverage, Phillips replied, "None."
I am willing to trust Wade's judgement at this point in time.
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It's funny because he's not very good
Needs more nose tackle.
by JimboTexan on May 9, 2011 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Finally insight into the defensive plan.I'm shocked though.
By the fact that Kareem only gave up 4 TD’s. It seems like more than that. And yes his deep speed is bad and his technique was off.If those are his biggest problems though I have hope he will actually rebound. But he’ll always be a reliability when covering fast WR’s.
No surprise on what he said about Earl he did look solid when he was on the field last season.
Okoye seems like he’s getting his last chance at being a Texan as a rotational player at DE. Seems like a decent spot for him to with him going inside on 3rd down.
No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.
Before giving up on Amobi, consider how the Texans poison defensive talent
The following players had impressive rookie seasons, only to regress…
Defensive Backs
Fred Bennett
Season TCKL FF INT PD
2007 55 2 3 14
2008 41 2 2 6
2009 15 0 0 1
Dunta Robinson
Season TCKL FF INT PD
2004 74 3 6 19
2005 69 1 1 10
2006 70 1 2 12
-——————————————-
Linebackers
DeMeco Ryans
Season TCKL FF Sacks PD INT
2006 156 1 3.5 7 1
2007 127 1 2 7 1
2008 112 2 1 4 0
Brian Cushing
Season TCKL FF Sacks PD INT
2009 134 2 5 10 4
2010 76 1 2 1 4 (season shortened by 4 game suspension)
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Defensive Line
Amobi Okoye
Season TCKL FF Sacks
2007 32 1 5.5
2008 24 1 1
2009 38 0 1.5
…perhaps a real defensive coordinator will be able to undo some of this damage.
by La Voz on May 9, 2011 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Exactly
That has been a theme with the defense from Year 1. The only, and I mean literally the only player who progressed AFTER their rookie year was Mario. No exceptions.
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by AllenOU on May 9, 2011 7:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Then again, Mario's hardly an exception either
He progressed from Year 1 to Year 2, but ever since Year 2 his stats have declined.
Mario Williams
Season TCKL FF Sacks
2006 35 1 4.5
2007 43 2 14
2008 44 4 12
2009 38 2 9
2010 22 1 9 (missed 3 games at the end of the year)
Mario probably would have collected another sack or two, maybe forced a fumble, but he was well off his tackle numbers. It hardly as clear a regression as others, but it’s not a great omen either.
Other players whose stats I looked at included Glover Quin, Travis Johnson, and Zac Diles. Glover was an odd case because he was CB2 only towards the end of his rookie season and was CB1 all of last year. Travis Johnson just sorta sucked all years except one of ’em (2007 I think, decent stats actually), and Zac Diles was hard to evaluate because he was looking great a couple of years ago until he got injured midway through the season.
You could even count Pollard and Eugene Wilson in the regression trend I think. Pollard has always been knocked for his coverage, but somehow it was masked well or he was just better about it in year 1 with us. Eugene Wilson too looked decent once upon a time, though his decline could be age related more than the poison that is playing defense for the Texans.
Generally, I think you're right.
But part of the reason that Mario’s tackle numbers went down is that teams ran away from him more.
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 9, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention he has been injured the last 2 years
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
Mario has actually improved dramatically against the run in the past two years.
And up until last year, while his sack numbers dropped, his hit/hurry numbers spiked. He’s tough to evaluate because of the nagging injuries that have clearly effected his performance, but he’s definitely a much better player now than he was his rookie year. I’d throw Quin in the “improved” category as well. And if we’re counting free agents, I’d consider Antonio Smith as well; perhaps it’s the scheme change, but the best two years of his career have come in Houston.
Ok ok ok, there are indeed exceptions...
That’s why I cherry-picked the ones I did in the original post. ;)
Still, despite the exceptions, it’s hard to ignore how (in the past) we’ve managed to take talent and mess it all up.
To be fair
Dunta was an exception as well. He regressed because of his injury in my opinion.
But I agree with your premise overall. Only because it is so completely obvious that you’d have to have an IQ of -3 to not see it.
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 10, 2011 6:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I have to disagree
The injury furthered his regression, but his best year was his rookie season. He regressed in subsequent years before the injury. People were just so hyped up about his rookie year and excited to have a talented young player on defense that they refused to see it.
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While I don't disagree....
I think it’s worth considering that some defensive statistics may be skewed due to the fact that our offense got progressively better over the years? Theoretically meaning our defense wasn’t required to defend as much.
I have no proof of course, but it sounds reasonable enough.
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...and when they WERE called on to defend, they didn't...
…therefore… double whammy
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by Its Gonna Happen on May 9, 2011 6:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
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Allow me...
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by tehGrindCrusher on May 9, 2011 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
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by Barryfromtexas on May 10, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh THAT is harsh and uncalled for...
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