Wide World Of Twitter: Does Antonio Cromartie Want To Be A Texan?
by Still Blue on Jun 13, 2011 4:03 PM CDT
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Everyone's buzzing about the latest tweet from that NY guy... no, not that one. I'm talking about Jets "free agent" cornerback Antonio Cromartie's twitter reply to @johnson80 earlier today:
"I mean I already know Wades Defense."
That tweet immediately summoned several questions for me. Could it be that a premiere, veteran cornerback wants to come to Houston? Has Andre Johnson kidnapped Rick Smith and taken over as the Houston Texans GM? How well does Cromartie know Wade's defense? How does Bob McNair feel about Andre spending his money? When Cromartie said "Wades Defense," was he referring to Wade Phillips' 3-4 or Dwyane Wade's one-on-one skills? Take the jump and we'll try to find some answers.
Since Cromartie was previously tweeting about last night's NBA Finals, I wanted to make sure he was talking about Wade Phillips and not Dwyane Wade, so I delved into today's earlier tweets from @johnson80 and @A_Cromartie31. Apparently, Andre was ribbing @ochocinco about coming to play for the Texans: "u no what I have a better idea. Come play with me in Texas then we can fight everyday. Lol".
Well, I'm not sure if that was ribbing or Andre seriously making another run at McNair's checkbook. Either way, once @A-Cromartie said he liked the idea, fans suggested that both Ochocinco and Cromartie sign with the Texans and Andre tweeted: "yeah man u can come to texas to. Lol". Cromartie replied: "yeah I like it too. Then I can shutdown both of you guys in Practice lol...jus playing." For what it's worth, Glover Quin also weighed in on the idea: "come on so we can win this super bowl and celebrate... that feeling look special last night". For the record, I think Houston celebrating a Super Bowl victory would eclipse Dallas celebrating its much-deserved NBA championship. I'm not knocking Dallas, it's just apples and oranges.
My delving into the world of Twitter revealed a few important facts. First, I'm old and very un-twitter savvy, so I apologize for any misreading here. Second, NFL players are more bored than us fans and have apparently mastered the art of the tweet to a level few others would even dare aspire. Third, Ochocinco must've given up on soccer like he did the Bengals. (Who can blame him?) Most importantly, though, Cromartie was definitely talking about Wade Phillips' defense, not the immature, cough-impersonating guard from the Heat. And since Cromartie busted out the seldom-used-in-Twitter upper case letters, it's obvious he has a lot of respect for Wade's Defense.
But along with these facts, I discovered even more questions. Since Cromartie only played sparingly for one season while Phillips was the DC at San Diego, how well does he know the defense? I wouldn't think one season over five years ago that happened to be Cromartie's rookie year would give him keen understanding of Wade's Defense (especially considering he didn't start in 2006). Also, would the Houston Texans sign a guy with so many paternal issues? Maybe they would see the fact that he has nine kids from eight different women in six states as proof of his ability to win over new fans in other markets. Maybe his love for Tom Brady and his support for Big Ben convinces the Texans he is a good guy after all. I also wondered if this Twitter business is how Miami formed its Unholy Trinity, but that's a discussion for another day.
Even if the Houston Texans think Cromartie is an "ok" guy, do they think he is a premiere cornerback? Then again, that might be the wrong question to ask, considering the Texans' appraisal of other cornerbacks like Jacques Reeves and Kareem Jackson. I know the Chargers' front office doesn't consider him worth more than a third round draft pick, and many fans have questioned his heart and blame him for their 2010 playoff loss to the Jets. In a discussion about free agent cornerbacks in January, BRB readers seemed less than impressed with Cromartie (especially since there are more tempting free agent corners available). Here was DreKeem's summary of Cromartie in January:
Do you remember the 10-interception effort Cromartie had in his sophomore season, including a hat trick against Peyton Manning in prime time? Things have changed so much then. Once labeled the next great playmaking corner, Cromartie had fallen of the wayside the past few years before finally rejuvenating his career in his first year with the Jets. I attribute a lot of that to Rex Ryan's scheme and him being in a contract year. He's not the type of player personality-wise (as if I know anything about him as a person) the Texans go after, considering he has nine kids, coming from eight different women and in six different states. Amazing. He could be available if the Jets decide to screw the rest of the league over and pair Asomugha with Revis and become the Miami Heat of pass defenses. They'll probably end up opting for the cheaper Cromartie, at least we hope.
Jets fans seem to consider Cromartie effective against bigger, deep threat receivers and generally think the Jets should re-sign him as long as the price is right. Another complicating factor is that Cromartie is one of those 5-year veterans. Depending on the settlement over the new CBA, he might be an unrestricted free agent or he might not. As it stands now, the Jets have tendered a first round tier offer to Cromartie, giving them the chance to match any other team's offer and/or receiving a first round pick from any team that signs him. Don't expect those conditions to remain the same after the new CBA is agreed upon. So, if Cromartie is truly interested in joining Andre and friends in Houston, should the Texans try to sign him?
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If Andre Johnson wants a front office role once his playing days are behind him
I’m all for it. Anything to make him a lifetime Texan.
As for this…I don’t think it’ll happen for a lot of reasons (too old on both 85 and 31, hopefully they’re setting their sights higher, is 85 really that much more of an upgrade than 12, etc).
STILL, I’d like to think the Texans have a veteran enough locker room to keep guys in check should those guys be the colorful interview type.
However, this guy is a total Bob guy. Great community ambassador.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Still it is something to consider...
New coordinator/coaches usually bring in their guys…in an offseason where time to learn new schemes is limited…maybe there’s something to Cromartie joining Houston.
"Lord, beer me strength."
yea, I agree
I just don’t see the Texans going after him. Too little upside with too many questions imo. I was actually more excited about Dre recruiting a receiver we don’t need than Cromartie. Chad better be willing to change his name though, because I don’t think Dreesen should give up his number;)
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
I voted to sign him and Ochocinco
We’re gonna have to sign SOMEONE at cornerback. It’d be a start. I’d rather have Nnamdi though.
But as far as Ochocinco is concerned, I think that would be absolutely awesome. He may not be AJ, but he’s a pretty good upgrade for a short contract. But I confess that I really want him here because I think he’s hilarious and we could use some media attention around here.
So...
Sign 85, don’t resign Jacoby, and then have some combination of Johnson, Johnson, and Walter in the top 3?
"Lord, beer me strength."
Sounds good to me.
In fact, since he has a history of changing his name, I propose Ochocinco change his name to Andrew Johnson.
And Ill go out on what might be a limb here
If we signed a WR, I think it would be to replace Jacoby instead of David Anderson. DA fits in a little differently, but I like the ’Dre/Ocho/Walter/DA setup way more than ’Dre/Ocho/Walter/Jacoby.
Anderson has two things over Jacoby
1. DA doesn’t drop passes as much
2. DA went to Colorado State, & he knows Kubiak doesn’t let them go easily
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jun 14, 2011 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions
and he is a bad ass.
That’s very important.
We are all important to each other, and because of this we have a purpose. - Daniel Black (Yes, that's me)
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess the consesus is.....
We’d all welcome him to the team IF Scrabble is off the table.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
PLEASE GOD TAKE HIM
Cromartie sucks, he avoids contact at all costs and isn’t worth his current salary which is about 1.7 million not including bonuses.
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thanks for the clip
I saw that earlier while reading up on Cromartie and it really turned me against him. I don’t think he has what the Texans are looking for, but then again, the Texans started Kareem Jackson at CB last year…
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
Yea that totally sucks
I mean, why would he think to force the play inside towards the teeth of the defense rather than jump inside and force the play outside? It’s not like they don’t preach containment to CBs from peewee on up or anything…, it just doesn’t make sense.
But why did he pull up
and avoid contact with the ball carrier? I understand why he was where he was on the play and he deserves credit for that. What baffles me is why he pulls up and avoids colliding with the RB. Couldn’t he have at least tried to wrap him up?
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
He didn't pull up on a tackle
He walled off the running lane outside of himself, forcing the runner to go inside where there should have been a LB waiting, except the LB got fooled by the misdirection and the safety who did get there missed the tackle…
well you have more experience than I do
but I still think I want a guy that instinctively goes for the ball carrier when he’s that close instead of what Cromartie did right there. I think Kareem Jackson would’ve gone for the ball carrier in that range (assuming he hadn’t fallen down) and we all know what someone like Pollard would’ve done to that RB.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
Yea but...
Say he goes for the tackle and misses, the stumbling LB outside doesn’t recover in time to stop the RB from getting to the edge… He’d have just given up 6 points… What he did was play pretty good contain, if not for several other players screwing the pooch you’re looking at a 2-4 yard gain at best.
I mean seriously
Their entire defensive line and 2 LBs bite on the misdirection, and we’re discussing whether Cromartie is to blame?
sure it was a team failure
those backing up the ones backing the others up all screwed up! Then again, if Cromartie had just wrapped him up at the line of scrimmage, maybe they would’ve won that close game and he wouldn’t have gotten traded.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
From looking at it
He appears to be one of the few defensive players on the field who is actually doing what he’s supposed to… So yea, lets blame the guy who, while doing nothing wrong himself, doesn’t make like a superhuman putting the world on his shoulders and saving the day by himself… How dare he not make a play that maybe only a handful of players in the game today would have been able to make had they been there instead!
Well the Chargers front office singled him out also
and made sure that was the last game he ever played for them. But maybe Bro Namath and I are the only ones (besides the city of San Diego) that think he should’ve made that play.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
SIngled him out?
As I recall he was the one demanding a trade because he wasn’t happy with the new defense they were playing, complaining that it was too much soft zone (sound familiar at all?) when previous Chargers defenses were known for aggressive blitzes and man coverage on the outside.
So the Chargers trade a malcontent demanding a trade and it was because they singled him out for one bad play that wasn’t even his fault to begin with?
I was starting to think you were his agent
But then you pointed out another reason the Texans should pass on him: he’s the kind of player that blames the team, the scheme or whatever else it takes to avoid taking responsibility. I’m even more against him now that we’ve “talked”. Thanks!
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
To me it sounds like he missed Wade a lot
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jun 14, 2011 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I can't believe the line of discussion on that video. There is no excuse for Cromartie on that one play.
Cromartie blew that play and avoided contact. The ball carrier was within his area and he made no attempt to wrap him up, which he could’ve and should’ve done. But, this is just one play. If he plays like this a lot, the Texans will know by having a lot more film on him and Phillips’ experience with him. They will make the right call, if they are interested or not.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I've never been for him
Personally i’d rather the Texans didn’t sign him, but would understand if they did…
I just think calling him a terrible player because of that play alone is pretty ridiculous. He was one of like 3 Chargers on that play NOT to completely blow his assignment, and if the ILB hadn’t got himself sucked into the double team block of death chasing line movement then that run would have been blown up for a 1-2 yard gain with Cromartie quite possibly even getting the tackle as the RB decides to take his chances 1 on 1 with a CB rather than LB.
All in all, I think Cromartie handled that run pretty much exactly how you’d want your corner to. They call it run “support” for a reason… Most teams don’t rely on their corners for tackling, they just ask them to keep everything inside.
No where in coaching 101 does teaching containment principles involve not making a tackle
There were PLENTY of mistakes to go around on that play. Cromartie shouldn’t be singled out. He did funnel the play where he was supposed to, but just because he has outside contain doesn’t mean he is absolved from tackling the guy.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
by papabear on Jun 14, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He wasn't in position to make a tackle
Because he took that last step to his right to wall off any cut outside…, i’ve never met anyone in my life who can pivot and lunge off of their back foot with any kind of power or explosion, which is what he would have had to been able to do in order to make a tackle there.
He didn’t “pull up”, he planted his right foot to strengthen his position so that he wouldn’t get ran over if Greene decided to go left… if he were going to make a tackle he’d have had to push off his left in order to have the power and stability to make a tackle on the guy running to his right…
It wasn’t as if he wasn’t prepared to make a tackle, Cromartie centered himself up, he was fairly obviously preparing his body for collision if the runner tried to break contain, because he did that it made the decision to cut to the middle even easier for the runner (which normally would be a good thing, but not so much when your entire front 7 misreads the play)
The problem is, you can’t position yourself to make a tackle in two different positions on the field at the same time… he chose to shore up the outside lane which 99 times out of 100 would be the right thing to do for a corner. He surely could have made a show of it by lunging off his back foot at the ball carrier, but then we’d be talking about his amazing wiff on a power back and arguing whether or not his feet are quick enough… Bottom line is nobody can make every play on the field all the time, that just wasn’t a play he could have easily made without almost certainly going against everything he was coached to do.
I think that was a pretty damn big hole up the middle
and I would think if I were that RB, I would be running for daylight right up the gut… like he did.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
But Cromartie isn't playing RB
He has an entire different perspective of the play as it progresses. All he knows is what he can see in front of him and what he knows his teamates are supposed to be doing to stop it… From the corner of his eye he’d have seen the LB outside of him stumble from the attempted cut block, then the RB is hitting the hole in front of him… Protecting the edge was the right call from where he was sitting.
I want guys that go for the ball
I’m tired of the Maginot Line defensive mentality on this team as it is, we don’t need another thinker. Wade builds defenses that attack, so I doubt he’ll be too interested in Mr. Cromartie.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
by Still Blue on Jun 13, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
All defenses are like that...
Any defense that’s about 11 players going out and trying to make plays by themselves is going to be epically bad on par with the Texans defense of last season. Any defense worth a grain of salt is more a collection of players each playing their own little part on every play, even if it means setting the edge and not coming near a tackle yourself in order to force the play into the heart of your defense.
Who advocated making plays by themselves?
Are you saying that’s what I said when I suggested Cromartie had a chance to make the tackle? LOL
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
Umm, yea...
Seeing as how the only way he could have made a tackle there would be by giving up on containment, which was almost surely his #1 priority on the play… Because of that, going for the tackle would equate to going off the reservation.
not if he made the tackle
I’ll go ahead and let you have the last word ‘cuz we’ve already beaten a herd of dead horses, or should I say Chargers?
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
Since when
Do you only want your players to keep to their assignments when they aren’t near the action? For every time that would pay off there’d be 3-4 TDs given up.., if that’s how your team played defense.
Rec'd
For the Maginot Line reference. As always.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
I have to disagree with the comparison
you see, the Maginot line could stop peaople coming up the middle. The Germans had to go around it. Not so with our line, unfortunately
If you pay attention to the play
When the RB passes him, Cromartie has his right foot planted as he was sealing off the outside lane.., after that even if he lunged towards the the runner he’d have just fallen on his face a full 2 yards behind him…
Like I said before, there’s only a few players in the history of the entire league that could have made that play and maintained contain at the same time. You can’t fault a guy for not being one of the 10 best players in the history of the game… I think what’s going on is that some have the opinion that he should have abandoned his responsibilities so he could put himself in better position to make a play on the ball…, the problem with that is for one, how is he supposed to know that no fewer than 5 of his teamates would blow their assignments on the play along with a horrendous missed tackle by the safety? Because unless he could somehow foretell those events, as a corner you have to protect the sideline….
I still think he could've made the play
or at least tried. I’m not sure how he protects the sideline from the center of the field… well, the ball carrier was exactly in the center of the hash marks when Cromartie pulls up about 2 feet away from him. Even if the ball carrier had made one of those 10 best players of all-time 90 degree cuts or sharper, 56 was right there to backup Cromartie’s edge. Besides, this is only one of the plays that got him traded out of SD. This was one example of his hesitancy to tackle and alone it may not be enough to condemn the guy, but I would rather go with someone who doesn’t have his rep for poor tackling.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
The safety that miss is none other then the one everybody seem to want, yep you got it Eric weddle. I am done with him now so carry on
Why? Cause he'd fit in too much?
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jun 14, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
not wanting Weddle because of that one play is silly
Same thing goes for Cromartie….except Cromartie has a reputation of being a guy who doesn’t like contact. Weddle has a reputation for being one of the best safeties in the league.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
I am sorry when you have a hit like he had setup for him and get done like he did..
granted weddle maybe good but not once did i see pollard get done like that. I am not sticking up for cromartie either i mean if he is the best we can get then so be it.
You know as well as I do that Pollard has missed a tackle before. He's even been run over
Weddle would be a huge improvement over any player we have/had on the roster.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FtNxvpaK6I
Never mind, if you are seriously discounting a player based on one play there is no reason for discussion.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
well never seen that play cause it is KC.
What make weddle a better player then what we have? You might be right and i am not just looking at one play either. Cromartie made some great plays before too. Like i said i really don’t know much about weddle and he might be a good player.
Here's my opinion of THE PLAY.
The whole line, linebackers and safeties bit on misdirection. The only two players that read the play correctly was 31 and 56. 56 was cut blocked removing him from the play and leaving 31 as the only man who could stop the play for less than 6 yards.
As a former Corner and Safety I know the responsibilitys they are given.
Corner: Outside contain, we are roughy that that is the most important thing. If they break outside it’s gone, of they(RB) stays inside there’s a chance for traffic to get him. I was always fought to never make the tackle if you are the farthest outside(and as tge play goes 31 was.).
Safety: tge safety should have saw the misdirection and been flying through the hole.
Outside in, running the J what ever you call it. The safety should have been there(weddle) sooner as he bit on fake.
Any Defebse is tought to trust that each other will be there to make the play.
31 did as he was suppose to, until the RB passed him. Then he should have been in pursuit mode.
Every player is at a certain fault for that play.
Houston Texans:
1st Round: J.J. Watt (NT)
2nd Round: Ras-I Dowling/Brandon Harris (CB)
3rd Round: Mark Herzlich (ILB)
4th Round: Shiloh Keo (S)
5th Round: Chris Carter (OLB)
6th Round: Alex Henery (P/K)
7th Round: Stephen Burton (WR)
by CCBach on Jun 14, 2011 11:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He did pursue
He got slowed a little bit by traffic but he hit him at the end as he was going into the endzone.
Its Funny........
How everyone pulls up the same clip. Show me another one that shows he consistently avoids contact. Its crazy to think he made it to the NFL by avoiding contact. Give me someone that can cover the pass!
My attitude is like a virgin......I dont give a fuck!
by The Abrego on Jun 14, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Um, last I checked, we're not trying to bring in a DB to play run support
We need one to cover WRs & beef up our pass defense. I think our front 7 can handle the run defense effectively enough
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jun 15, 2011 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Wait now
We were all up in arms last season when our DB’s were missing tackles. So now it’s suddenly ok?
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
On a run play, that shouldn't even come up if the front seven does their job
Now if we send them on a blitz, that’s another question, but it’s obvious that his responsibility was the outside contain on that play. If everyone else hadn’t bit on the counter, this play wouldn’t have looked so bad, especially since it was the safety’s job to plug that hole anyways. Now the safety completely whiffed on that tackle, which was even worse than Cromartie sticking to his job of the outside contain. So if anyone looked like garbage on that play, it was Eric Weddle, not Cromartie
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jun 17, 2011 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
At this point
The list of veteran CB’s worse than the ones we already have is a very…very…VERY short list…
As for the the little video up there, I don’t care if he’s not good at run support. We run about middle of the pack in run D and that’s good enough for me. Any help we can get in the secondary at this point is an upgrade.
I don't know
That it counts for much, but I played corner in H.S., and that video was a pretty textbook example of how they wanted us to play the run where I played… Didn’t really matter much to my coaches whether our corners made any tackles, so long as we didn’t give up the edge… If we were in the training room watching game film on Monday, the coach would probably use that as an example to show our corners how he wanted us to play the run… just saying…
Sure there technically was a defender outside of him, but you have to understand playing corner, contain is bored into your skull from the time you put on your first pair of cleats… After playing the game for 15 years, i’d imagine it would be first instinct to protect the outside first.., even still I doubt his coaches ever said one word against his performance on that play…
I don't know what his coaches had to say about it
but I think that was the last game he ever played for the Chargers, so the FO wasn’t too thrilled with his performance in that game. Many fans were outraged and blamed him for the loss as well and the Chargers dealt him to the Jets. Kinda funny if you ask me, since that was the most recent team he was accused of taking plays off against while he was in SD.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
Agreed
That’s how I was tought too. Outside contain > tackle
You break contain easy 6 for them
Houston Texans:
1st Round: J.J. Watt (NT)
2nd Round: Ras-I Dowling/Brandon Harris (CB)
3rd Round: Mark Herzlich (ILB)
4th Round: Shiloh Keo (S)
5th Round: Chris Carter (OLB)
6th Round: Alex Henery (P/K)
7th Round: Stephen Burton (WR)
by CCBach on Jun 14, 2011 1:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So I guess you're not on the Jason Allen bandwagon?
Good points. When it comes to the clip above, I’m less concerned about his run support than I am his reputation for taking plays off and avoiding contact (as evidenced by the clip above). That shows a lack of heart that I don’t want on my teams’ roster. I suspect Wade and the rest of the Texans brass share a similar sentiment.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
Leave my boy Jason Allen out of it
I’m going to tell him you were talkin shit lol!
I’m ALL for ocho and uno-trace, as I call him for his thirteen kids.
That would bring some swagger and toughness that we really need.
And I’m with WhiskeyR, he is just a funny guy I’d like to have around for when we start 0-6
I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go fuck himself
by AllenOU on Jun 13, 2011 7:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, I AM on the Allen bandwagon
and I’m sitting in the driver’s seat! Seriously, I think he’s gonna start at corner this season for the Texans. And I’m definitely down with Ochocinco as long as he doesn’t want Dreesen’s number or too much $$$. I think Chad seems like a decent guy and receiver.
But, I’m not sure about Cromartie. Its not the kids or anything, but there seems to be grounds for his reputation for avoiding contact and taking plays off. It will be interesting to see if Wade has any interest in him.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
Youre 100% right
That cromartie is a HUGE risk. But if he knows the system and wants to come here, which would hopefully mean a reasonable contract, it might be worth it. I don’t think there is ANY chance either of those guys end up here, but that still didn’t stop me from getting giddy like a school girl when I saw the tweets.
Cromartie, Allen, jax, Harris, Carmichael as your five CBs. There is a TON of talent there, and could make a weakness a strength in one season.
You’d hope we could then hide whom ever plays opposite quin at safety, whether that be barber, Nolan, keo, sensabough, or someone else
I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go fuck himself
by AllenOU on Jun 13, 2011 9:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Do you honestly think
Ocho would let a back up TE keep that number? Nah, I think he’d “donate” some cash to Dreesen’s charity of choice to get it, just so he didn’t have to change his name again….. Then again, it’s just like him to pull another name change stunt just for the publicity.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
no, but I thought it was funny
I like to pick at Ocho but i do like him. My wife has a thing for reality shows and his actually got her interested in football some, so I thank him for that. That and he is a skilled receiver. I’m sure Dreesen would give up the number if it came down to it.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
I thought I read somewhere that he was changing his name back.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Cromartie's ears must be burning
They’re discussing him over at Bleeding Green Nation also:
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
Let me bring this to everybody's attention
The safety that miss is none other then the one everybody seem to want, yep you got it Eric weddle. I am done with him now so carry on.
"was he referring to Wade Phillips' 3-4 or Dwyane Wade's one-on-one skills?"
I like you, you’re funny.
When I evaluate Cromartie.
I think of how his play style would help/hurt the Texans against our divisions foes.
Not sure if any one has brought it up but he doesn’t tackle. It’s been said by Chargers fans, Jets fans and I’ve seen it for myself.He just doesn’t like to tackle RB’s.
Now who are the RB’s in our division? Well we have Jones Drew and Chris Johnson both top 10 RB’s. Addai has faded and the Colts don’t run like they did just a few years ago and I don’t see their running game making a reappearance this season.
And Since the Titans got a rookie QB they will run the ball more this year. And the Jags are more of a run first team and Jones Drew has owned us on the ground. Signing guy who’s known for being weak in run defense makes me nervous.
And a guy who plays football but doesn’t want to hit isn’t worth it unless his other skill is truly special. And I don’t think he’s that much of a dominate pass defender that we could afford his shortcomings in rush defense.He was the guy people attacked when playing the Jets because he has a knack for giving up big plays, which we have plenty of.
Chad Johnson is an interesting name. It’s hard to evaluate how good he is now because of the circus surrounding the Bengals the past 5 or so year. He’s probably still got deep speed but I’m not sure how good he is going over the middle or how well he run blocks.Also, his motivation is a big question mark.
After the stunts he pulled this offseason I don’t see McNair (or to many others) going after him.
No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.
We need a guy who can cover
Cromartie at least does that. We are so desperate for someone who won’t get burned deep and on double moves, so it’s worth the risk.
As for ocho, you’re right. And that’s exactly what we need. A #2 that can stretch the field, which ours cannot do
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by AllenOU on Jun 14, 2011 12:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I respect your appraisals
so if you think Cromartie is a decent upgrade at CB, then I’m inclined to think I’ve been too hard on him. Great point about what we really need from our CBs: better coverage more than we need run stoppers.
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by Still Blue on Jun 14, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
On a side note
I would love nothing more than to be able to blame him for a loss in the playoffs #whereisthewhiskey
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by AllenOU on Jun 14, 2011 12:48 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
What did we do in the offseason
Before social media?
Needs more nose tackle.
WWE is on all year long
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jun 14, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
UFC is coming to Houston for UFC 136, October 7, 8
Also will be a UFC Fan Expo then.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Interesting
I may have to figure out a way to go there
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jun 14, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I think I will be going
The UFC 136 tix aren’t on sale, yet. Not sure about the Expo. The feature match at UFC 136 might be the heavyweight championship Cain Velasquez vs Junior dos Santos who just punished Carwin the other night.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
i would have went if brock was fighting
now who knows, did not know about the expo, might try and make it to that.
Brock, I think is more hype than fight, and Velasquez kind of put an exclamation point on that
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Ha! Yeh, I was thinking that after I posted
I thought, oh damn, that’s no longer the football season! Then, wait, no, not if the labor thingy keeps going….
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Please don't remind me
That the Astros exist.
Needs more nose tackle.
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by UprootedTexan on Jun 14, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
In a perfect world I would prefer Joseph, but......
at the same time I have all the respect for andre (both on and off the field) and with him publically recruiting, it makes me wonder if cromartie IS better than he gets credit for. I mean, andre is the only one of us (I assume) that has actually played against this man. And I hope that andre’s motivation is to bring in players that will terrify opponents in every aspect.
SteeleBlue sad it right earlier here....
Wade knows the ins and outs of Cro and Weedle. He has coached both and know them as people. He is the one guiding our defense wherever it is going. Got to trust here….
by The Ice Machine on Jun 14, 2011 11:32 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Ps. Why even say we MIGHT get NA ?
That will not happen and honestly it should not happen. The dude is a stud but empty the bank on a guy turning 30 ? No thanks..
by The Ice Machine on Jun 14, 2011 11:35 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
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