Rick Smith: Will The Real Texans' GM Please Stand Up?
by Still Blue on Jun 22, 2011 8:47 PM CDT
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Last week, two separate appearances by former Texans players on AM radio's 1560 The Game netted criticism of Texans general manager, Rick Smith. First, former NFL running back, Ahman Green, joined Sean Pendergast on his radio show to tell his side of the story about his tenure in Houston in 2007. I know Green's name conjures immense feelings of disappointment for most Texans fans, but his story is worth a listen, especially if, like me, you sometimes forget these guys are human beings just like the rest of us. (Besides, as a Texans fan you should be hardened to the paltry effects of immense disappointment by now.) Green openly discussed his father dying from cancer, his injuries and family struggles. Like Rivers said in his post that pointed me to the interview, Green's stories show a side of an NFL player that the league doesn't usually promote: vulnerable.
But of all the stories Green related, none got him more angry and indignant than the one he told about Rick Smith. Apparently sometime before or after the Oakland game in 2007, Rick Smith called Green into his office and asked him if he was faking injury. To ask an athlete that is to question their integrity. As Green said around the 10:05 mark:
So when he asked me that... it took everything in my power not to do something that I would've regretted. So, I removed myself from his office and immediately called my agent and was like, "Man, get me outta here before I do something I don't wanna do".
Besides angering the player, what was Smith hoping to accomplish? Did he expect the accused to "come clean" when confronted? I'm torn between calling Smith a jerk and calling him stupid after hearing this story. Take the jump and help me decide.
Green went on to say that former Texans players had warned him about Rick Smith before he came to Houston. He seemed to suggest that the warnings were to not trust the GM and now he knows why. Was it just sour grapes from an ex-player? Perhaps, but it's not like he's the only one criticizing Smith. And he didn't sound too sour when he talked about being on the Texans bandwagon last year. Yeah, like a few of us, he thought the Texans were headed to the playoffs too. It was nice to hear he was pulling for his friends on the Texans roster last year when they played the Ravens and like everyone else, he couldn't shut up about Arian Foster and the offense. But I couldn't help but think he was suggesting that the Texans' front office is what's holding the team back. I know that's not a news flash around here, but it is poignant coming from a former player in such a candid interview. Towards the end of the interview, Green described the locker room atmosphere of the Green Bay Packers in 2009 and how it carried over to a Super Bowl Championship in 2010. I couldn't help but try to imagine the contrasts between the two teams' locker rooms that Green saw at the end of his NFL career.
As I said, Green isn't the only one criticizing Smith. The next day on 1560 The Game, former Texans defensive back, Marcus Coleman called in to Sean Pendergast's show to add his two-cents to what Green had said. Coleman most recently played for the Texans in 2005 (so he never played under Smith or Kubiak), but he apparently has lots of former and current connections within the organization.
While the Coleman interview isn't as soul-searching as Green's, it does focus on one former player's very frank assessment of Rick Smith and the Texans organization. Take it or leave it, but I think it's worth a listen if you're as curious as I am about the mysterious Mr. Smith and his puzzling employment with the Texans. As Coleman points out to a caller at the end of the segment, he has been on the anti-Smith bandwagon for a long time and always questioned Smith's GM knowledge and skills. Pendergast defended Coleman by saying it hasn't been a crusade of his or anything, it's just an opinion he's never been shy about sharing. Apparently, Coleman was even less shy after he heard Green's story about Smith. About 1:35 into the clip, Coleman talks about Smith asking Green if he was faking his injuries:
I think it's sobering(?) that someone that has that little validity, especially of personnel knowledge or how to run a team, could ask a player like an Ahman Green if he's faking an injury. I just think that's ridiculous.
As Pendergast pointed out during the interview, forget about Smith's lack of personnel and management skills: What do you do with a GM that is so willing to alienate players? When a team is desperate to add key players in free agency, how can they afford to have any extra liabilities that might drive a player to sign with another team? Speaking of alienating players, Coleman claims that Smith worked his way up the ladder in Denver by being a mole in the locker room. Great, that should help sell Asomugha on the idea of coming to Houston. Does it help if that liability GM doesn't do much? About 10 minutes into the clip, Coleman describes his take on Smith's job duties:
From some of the things I've heard from guys on the inside, Rick doesn't do a whole lot... there's not a lot of decision making by Rick Smith. So who's really the GM? Is it Kubiak? Is it, ya know, Mr. McNair's son? I mean, is it the head trainer? Like, who's really the GM?
Now, that is another good question. Who is really running the Texans show? I'm beginning to think Smith is just a fall guy. Don't get me wrong. If Smith has managed to become the Peter from Office Space at the Texans organization and doesn't have to do anything besides show up occasionally, who am I to advocate for increasing his responsibilities or the number of TPS reports he must submit? Maybe once everyone accepts Smith as the front office slacker and locker room stool pigeon, we can start to figure out who is really running the show and likewise, whom we can blame for all those undrafted safeties and nose tackles.
Coleman's suggestions were very compelling (or I should say com-polling, because you know that's where this is headed). The first and most obvious suggestion was Kubiak. If Smith was half the yes-man Coleman paints him to be in Denver, it would be easy to see why Kubiak would draft him as his patsy GM when McNair first hired him. This would also explain the lopsided build of the team in favor of the offense. I'm not saying Kubiak meant to do that, I just don't think he appraises defensive talent as well as he does offensive. On the bright side, if Kubiak is the real GM, he should have more time to focus on those responsibilities now that Matt Schaub is running OTAs and seems ready to take over as OC. Kubiak will probably be spending less time defending his buddy's failing defensive scheme as well.
Coleman's next suggestion for "real GM" was "Mr. McNair's son". Honestly, I don't know much about him except who his dad is and that he lives in Austin. I'm guessing he knows even less about building or running a successful NFL team than the Mole from Denver, so let's hope he's not the puppet master. I'm pretty sure Coleman was being facetious when he suggested the Head Trainer was the real GM. Besides, we wouldn't be able to blame him for much since the Texans just hired Geoff Kaplan away from the Titans earlier this month. Cue hillbilly training jokes...
However, Coleman omitted a very important and obvious suggestion from his list of possible, real Texans GMs: Andre Johnson. He's been called The Beast and The Haymaker for his abilities as a wide receiver and for straightening out a wayward DB, but during the lockout he's made headlines for his GM-like statements to the press. Whether he's advocating that the Texans go after Nnamdi Asomugha and re-sign Vonta Leach or recruiting potential new players on Twitter, the 'Dre has shown a willingness to spend Bob's money and to make those decisions Smith doesn't. Maybe Andre could handle the GM's ambassador role while Kubiak handles the other stuff, like picking a third string QB in the 5th round of the draft.
So what do you think? Should the Texans continue to allow Smith to phone it in while someone else builds and runs the team? Who do you think is really running the team (poll) and who should be (comments)?
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This reminded me...
I’m STILL pissed of we drafted tj yates with jeremy kurley still on the boerd!
by Carter Liles on Jun 22, 2011 9:09 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
maybe so
Walshian offenses do love a project QB, while shying away from smaller receiving targets. Once in a while, they miss out, when they aren’t careful. Need also plays a role.
I like how you used the term 'Walshian.'
Maybe we could call it a ‘Walshist’ offense or something.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 23, 2011 3:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I felt like WR was a much larger need than QB though.
"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\"
-mitmil22
by theSpaceCityKid on Jun 23, 2011 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I fail to see that point
When Andre went down, the Texans were able to pick up the slack, mostly thanks to Schaub & Arian Foster. If Schaub goes down, we are fucked cause neither Orlousy or Party Boy Matt could run this offense effectively. I like the Yates pick cause he’s coming in pretty much already knowing the offense & he’ll be the perfect understudy for Schaub. The only thing Yates really has to worry about is adjusting to the speed of the game, getting the timing down with the WRs & TEs, and any changes in terminology
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jun 23, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess the only place we disagree
is that I think if Schaub goes down next year we are just as fucked. I dont give a shit if Yates has “ran some of our schemes”, it would be a miracle if we were able to succeed without our starting QB (as it is with most good teams). I feel like well take a swing the next couple years and if we just fall short well draft Schaubs successor at that point. Dont get me wrong, I dont hate the pick, and I hope it works out like Trent Dilfer thinks it will but I felt like our needs went OLB, DBs, NT, ILB, WR, OL, QB, TE.
"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\"
-mitmil22
by theSpaceCityKid on Jun 23, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
DING DING DING
ric smith probably has pics of bobs “tight end”
I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go fuck himself
I guess Kubiak is the obvious poll answer
but since I’m real good at doing nothing and looking for a job, I think the Texans should replace Smith with me.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
This is all petty immature crap you're promoting here SB and I'm sure asshole Pendergast is pretty proud of himself, reading it.
Ahman Green had his feeling hurt? Marcus Coleman has never met Smith, but he has heard about him? Oh, let’s indite the man!
That’s trash sports radio, dude and nothing more.
Let’s forget all about what Smith really does and focus on two peon opinions.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on Jun 22, 2011 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Are you being serious?
Say what you want about Pendergrast and talk radio, but I’m shocked anyone would defend Smith for accusing a player of faking an injury. Please enlighten me about what it is Smith “really does” exactly.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
I'm surprised anybody thinks he's just sitting on his hands not doing his job.
Coleman’s hearsay doesn’t make any sense and probably has no basis in reality.
Smith’s main detractors: Ahman Green, Dunta Robinson, Marcus Coleman.
I wonder what DeMeco, OD, ’Dre, Antonio Smith and Schaub think of him….
Well, DeMeco, 'Dre, and Andre probably love him...
But then again, overpaying people is an easy way to get to their hearts.
by Nashmeister on Jun 22, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
You can never overpay Andre Johnson
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
by Hydroshock on Jun 23, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I wouldn't say never
In 8 years or so it will be possible
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Jun 23, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Wrong, his retirement benefits should be equal to his current contract
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jun 24, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
AJ is immortal
He should be given a century contract.
2011 Crystal Ball
Dorin Dickerson coming out party
by BRBUSAFTexan on Jun 24, 2011 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm less concerned with how little Smith does
than how little he seems to know about being an effective GM in the NFL. At least if someone else is doing it, there’s hope they might know more than him.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
And, your concerns are based on what? Have you ever worked with him? No.
Your concerns are based on Pendergast interviews of two disgruntles former players, one who has never met Smith.
So you know what Pendergast wasted three hours on yesterday? He was “mad” at Terrelle Pryor because this 20 year old made up a stupid excuse why he quit OSU and is entering the draft. What a waste of three hours.
I’m telling you. Pendergast is a waste and you, SB, are his perfect foil.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
by Rip Jersey on Jun 23, 2011 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The concerns are based on everything we have ever bitched about on here
regarding the Texans FO decision making, inability to pull top tier free agents, refusal to draft a NT or S, or any other questions of the hierarchy that runs OUR team. How can you act like this is some silly non-story when two ex-players just blasted OUR GM on the radio right before a super crucial SHORT free agency period, in which we hope they can do something they never have before and pull the top FA on the market, before a very crucial year. Now I dont see StillBlue stating anything as fact, only how it was presented in context. To ignore it is silly, when it is at least interesting to give a listen to add to the conversation.
"////let it pan out before you kick da plan out\"
-mitmil22
by theSpaceCityKid on Jun 23, 2011 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I said in another post that asking Ahman Green if he was faking it elevated my opinion of Smith
And I stand by that. He works for the organization and the organization’s interests. We’ve got Kubiak to be all buddy buddy with the players. I don’t want the person negotiating their salaries to be that guy.
by WhiskeyR on Jun 22, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I echo your sentiments.
and I want to subscribe to your newsletter.
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
by Jordann on Jun 23, 2011 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
A guy once told me
There is no such thing as an indiscreet question.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 23, 2011 3:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I tend to agree
Why would a player get offended? It is a business. Did Rick Smith say “You are faking it.” or did he ask him? There is a huge difference.
Funny, a lot of GMs would be expected to have asked the question in the same circumstance. Guys like Bill Parcells, Ted Thompson (yes the Packers GM) and no one would have blinked if the walking dead Al Davis had asked something like this.
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Jun 23, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
So I guess Lance Zierlein is as immature
as me and Pendergast:
http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2011/06/unsolicited-damage-control-for-rick-smith/
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
I just found that by the way
and I’m reading it now. Almost eerie how much it sounds like what I posted, but Lance is a lot more tactful (and polite) and seems more willing to keep giving Smith more chances. The again, it doesn’t really matter if Lance or I think Smith deserves to be retained. What we’re trying to do is generate conversation about the situation. And we would be thrilled if Smith would participate in that conversation, but we know that’s not going to happen.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
Lance carries a lot more weight than some sport radio hack
That being said, it’s impossible to say there isn’t a pattern developing here. While I do feel like Ahman has an axe to grind because he feels slighted by Smith, I’m also starting to think there may be more to this story than I originally thought.
I find this part especially disturbing…..
Robert says:
June 21, 2011 at 11:49 am
I have heard you and others take about how Schobel was dissappointed in his talks with the Texans. Could someone please be more specific in the details. Texan fans need to know!!!!!!
Reply
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Lance Zierlein says:
June 22, 2011 at 10:50 am
Schobel simply felt like the Texans were disingenuous with their offer and that they bait and switched him before his workout.
We were all under the impression that Schobel just wanted to retire, but this makes it sound as if he wanted to come to Houston until he felt like he was getting screwed. If this is true then how many other free agents have we failed to sign because of shady negotiation practices? And how many of those were due to Rick Smith specifically? I have no idea but it doesn’t give me any confidence now that we’ll have a legitimate shot at signing a top tier CB, S, or any other position that we fans covet.
I think Lance is right on this. Rick Smith at least needs to make an attempt to shed some light on these rumors and set the record straight if he hopes to be successful going forward. No big name vets are going to want to come here even if they are just rumors.
Thanks for posting this SB.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
As I recall with Schobel when he showed up he wasn't in great shape
and the Texans saw that and said nope, see ya later.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
It seems there are conflicting reports then
And in this case one of them jives with Rick Smith being shady. Again, I don’t have the answers to these questions but there are patterns beginning to develop.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
well the conflicting reports seem to be
Schobel was upset they didn’t pay him what he wanted and what they seemed interested in paying him before they actually saw him work out. We will probably never know for sure though.
You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view--until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.
If indeed Schoebel showed up and was not in playing shape...
They would and should offer him less than he wants. Which would make him feel put out, especially if they had thrown out a number that they’d be willing to pay. I bet in that scenario Rick Smith would also say that Schoebel had been “disingenuous” about being in playing shape.
You’re right, of course, it’s all speculation
I feel like with Schoebel, If Bill Kollar and beiing there close to home wasn’t enough for him. Don’t try to force it. In the past Green, Eric Moulds, Cato June. Even Tony Bosselli even though it was b4 this regiem. They have tried to get older guys where id didnt work out. Minnesota tried to force it with Favre and it didnt work. I wanted Schobel to sign to but I think it was better they didnt
Funny
Nobody really has any comment on the fact that the same type of story is coming from Lance Z?
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
wow really?
look I have moved past it. I saw down there somebody told people to drop it. quit coomenting on my posts. this post has nothing to do with you. grow up. move on.
Huh?
Moved past what? I was replying to my own post and trying to get comments on Lance Z’s take.
WTF
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
I'll comment on that
I feel the same way about LZ’s article as I do any complaining that Ahman Green deserved to be treated better. The sources of these feelings for smith still add up to Green (Biggest blight on Smith’s career), LDJA12 (who has been against Smith ever since the Strength and Conditioning coach got fired a few years ago), Coleman (His opinion has about as much weight as mine does) and Schoebel (who didn’t like the deal he was offered).
None of us know the ins and outs of any of this. But its terribly one sided and 100% hearsay.
I think LZ’s article is an exception amongst generally excellent work.
In short - Consider the Source.
LZ = A good source. But he’s only as good as HIS sources. Look who his sources are.
Its like a game of telephone.
It's not about Ahman Green
It’s about Smith. Like you said, LZ is a good source and that makes me at least curious about the nature of these claims. I’m just saying that there may be something to them after all, and maybe that has something to do with our lack of production in free agency.
Again, I have no idea one way or the other but the fact that LZ is chiming in does add some weight to it, but ultimately I’ll have to wait and see what happens in free agency this year. If we land a big fish then this story will disappear, but it’ll be interesting to see what happens if we fall on our faces again.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Miscommunication
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
She only won 3rd place
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Jun 23, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
so you think it's a "where there's smoke there's fire" situation?
I don’t know about that. Both Green and Schoebel may have perceived reasons to gripe. I’m with Whiskey_R on this one, consider the sources. Players who didn’t get their contract demands met are bound to feel like it didn’t go their way, and probably complain.
I dunno
I just think the people reporting it are starting to get more reputable, that’s all. I agree about not believing disgruntled players but it’s all he said, she said. However, the fact that a source like LZ would go on record with his doubts does carry some weight with me though, because you’d have to think it could jeopardize his inside access if he’s wrong.
Like he said, Rick Smith should at least do some damage control so these rumors don’t hurt the team going forward. If I was a big name FA considering my options, I’d be hesitant to do business with a guy that my peers say is a douche, if there are better options.
.02
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
pissing off someone with your user name...
I smell a challenge.
no, just kidding
That makes sense
And it pretty well boils down to LZ going on record having some weight with you. For me, it’s just seeing someone I respect have an opinion I disagree with.
The only problem I have w/dismissing it as disgruntled players.....
is LZ specifically mentioned other agents, scouts, and coaching staff that have had direct dealings w/ Rick Smith….a little more than just disgruntled players it sound like to me.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
But LZ isn't the source in this
He has the same sources as everyone else. Except Schoebel, who’s opinion is limited to not getting a good enough offer.
If Smith really asked Green if he was faking – I applaud that.
Everything else is so far gone it’s not even notable.
One guy was a terrible failure for Smith, two others never played for him, ldja12 has a personal axe to grind. Still not seeing any substance here and LZ having an opinion on it isn’t enough for me to give any more weight to it.
Its like when history books all quote each other. One exaggerated tidbit and everything goes crazy, no longer reflects reality.
Is it possible
that Green and Coleman are disgruntled cry babies……AND…..Rick Smith is a shady douche?
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
But I'll also say
I don’t think the things Rick Smith is accused of are shady or douchey. I think its reflective of him having the organization’s interest in mind over the players, which is still what I expect of a GM.
indict*
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
by Jordann on Jun 23, 2011 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
spellcheck should have fixed it for me....
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Ahman Green is only mad because its true.
Also I voted “other”. I don’t think Smith is some awesome GM, but I think its glaringly obvious that he does personally take on the duties expected of a GM. Is he good at it? Sure, that’s a reasonable question. Does he do his job? I seriously doubt he sits in his ivory tower bequeathing Uncle Bob’s money unto only those who he deems worthy of his very presence.
If you’ll grant me that K-Jax is a work in progress I’ll even go a step further and say its been a couple years since Rick Smith has botched anything up. And Ahman Green, before this week, was already possibly the biggest blight on Smith’s GM career.
Our problem has been defensive coaching, both coordinators and position coaches. If he’s hiring the coaches, he’s got a lot of improvement to make. But when it comes to negotiating with our players, keeping us out of cap hell and finding reasonable talent I’d say he’s doing at least an average job.
by WhiskeyR on Jun 22, 2011 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
and at times he's even gotten average results;)
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
I agree with RIP….Sounds like you have a previous beef with Smith and couldn’t wait for some lack of news made up news just to bash him your self. I’m pretty sure Smith had something to do with contracts and bringing in some fa talent that we have needed douring the season the last couple years.I’m talking about Brenard Pollard, Jason Allen and Mark Anderson. I believe it was Frank Bush who made defensive desion making that has destryoed any chance of us getting to the post season.I find it ironic Marcus Coleman used the word sobering to describe his thoughts on a GM he never dealt with personally considering it was his DWI that got him his walking papers from this team. Admit it Still blue, you’re not a Rick Smithfan and it’s not these 2 drummed up opinions that swayed ya….
yes, I'm conspiring with ex-Texans players to take Smith down
to get him back for taking my dream job!
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
I didn't take this post as Still Blue having any personal axe to grind at all.
Pendergast might though. Obviously LDJA12 who has led this witch hunt has a personal gripe.
I still think its important to remember we must consider the sources in this. LDJA12, Ahman Green, Marcus Coleman. I’m sure Dunta agrees, but I don’t really remember him saying anything.
That’s like setting Cartman up with a ginger. And I’m not letting a fat cartoon keep redheads out of m MY bed, that’s for sure.
Now that Lance Z has weighed in I'm willing to give these rumors some consideration
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
LZ also referred to other agents and scouts he's talked to.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Jeezus H
Give the dude a break. So he wrote a piece you don’t agree with. That’s no reason to act like he fucked your wife.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Here's a thought....
NFL netword just recently aired a show on “the top 10 WORST free agent aquisitions”. Ahman Green was 6!!!! Ya think he might have wanted to put a spin out there. Trying to make his ABSOLUTE SHIT tenure here looks not so SHITTY!!!! Then when the station needes something else on the situation. Turned to a source they have been using for years. A guy who can just throw out whatever crap he want’s too. He is retired. They probly found him passed out in his car from his previous nights bender to put a mic in front of him and promised him a bottle of mad dog 20/20 to invent something about Smith
Since your ad hominem attacks render Green's and Coleman's opinions invalid
and I’m obviously out to get Smith for personal reasons, maybe I should’ve just posted another critique that relies on examining his long list of failures as Texans GM like this one:
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
Started reading it.
Rick Smith considered a bad GM because under his tenure, The Texans haven’t made the playoffs yet? Understandable.
Comparing Rick Smith to Matt Millen? Really?
And you’re citing this article to back up your argument?
Mind you, im about four paragraphs in and this guy called post-injury Dunta a “solid corner.”
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
by Jordann on Jun 23, 2011 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Giving Casserly the credit for the 06 draft?
I don’t know if I should keep reading this article.
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
by Jordann on Jun 23, 2011 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It wasn't given as defense of my argument
I used it as an example of a different kind of story I could’ve done when I was accused of looking for news to use as a hit piece on Smith. I disagreed with plenty in Braddock’s article, but it’s a good example of what a hit piece would look like.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
I'm glad you didn't take that ridiculous approach.
You’d probably catch more flak from that guy above if you did.
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-Catch 22-
It's a lost cause man
I understand where you’re coming from but I think you’re fighting a losing battle on this one. The overreaction crowd is out in strong force today.
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Hey at least I found something to get 'em all excited
and some of you found it interesting, so that’s enough for me. Thanks for being a voice of reason Hydroshock.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
See my comment below
I pretty much say the same
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Jun 23, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a poorly-written piece...
But Dunta was indeed solid last year. Better than solid, in fact, if you buy into PFF. If he had re-signed Dunta, the Texans would have been a better team last year and a better team going forward. Would he been overpaid? Sure. But no more than Antonio Smith, OD, DeMeco, and Kevin Walter. And more importantly, at a position where salaries are constantly rising and we struggle to develop talent.
Thanks you
I’m not getting how some folks have degraded Dunta’s performance just because they dislike his contract demands. He’s not great by any stretch, but certainly solid.
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Where I stopped reading.
Last season, Smith decided to not resign the only solid cornerback that the Texans had in Dunta Robinson
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Dunta was a solid corner
What is so inaccurate about that? It’s not like he said he was elite, just “solid.” So now all of a sudden, because we don’t like how Dunta handled his contract situation, he’s a loser?
You guys kill me.
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After 2009, I would not have believed so.
And Dunta wasn’t even considered the best CB on his own team.
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My issue with Dunta
I don’t think he’s ever been an elite CB, and certainly not worth the huge contract he got from the Falcons, but he has always been solid. Solid coverage skills, great vision, good against the run, and a vicious hitter. In my opinion the only thing his game is lacking is game changing INTs, and now maybe some of his original agility due to the leg.
I just don’t get how people can use his contract negotiation snafu to now say he’s a bum. For the longest time he was the best player on our team, and that was pretty much a unanimous consensus, but once his ego took over he suddenly gets slammed as a bad player. To me that’s just bitter fan talk.
Just my opinion.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
I always thought my love for him was due to that one game and his hard hitting style. But I have always thought his coverage was average. The turning point from me was when he gave up that huge 4th down play to VY against Tennessee a few years ago. I never saw him as a number 1 CB. Not even when we drafted him. I did love his agressive style. But have always felt he gives up too many passes in front of him. Not bitter talk from the contract. But that is what made me OK with him not beiing here. Like it was mentioned b4…he wasn’t even the best corner on this team his last year here, and that says alot….
But seriously, Rick Smith the new Millen?
Remember that time Smith made a damn foolish decision to take Brian Cushing? How about that horrible decision to bring in Bernard Pollard (who did have a good 2009)? Of course I’m forgetting on purpose the absolutely horrendous decision to get Matt Schaub from the Falcons.
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Proof the article is bullshit.
Unfortunately, Smith has given up four Pro Bowl caliber players (Dunta, Babin, Mathis, Tramon) in his time as the "New Matt Millen".
Counting a strike against Smith for getting rid of Babin.
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PS
Love how you chose a pic of Smith shaking a known emeny’s hand. Kinda just to give the appearence of him already beiing a traitor. Treason is punishable by death SB!!!! This is a positive ship we are sailing here. Blow your wind into the sail or wallk the plank ya skervy dog!lmao
I searched high and low for just the perfect picture
well, I had two to choose from the SB Nation-approved options and both had him shaking Fisher’s hand. But please don’t let the facts stop your paranoid rant.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
by the way...
I never signed on to be a cheerleader, so go blow your own sail.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
You sound like
You have an axe to grind with StillBlue. I am assuming that this piece is just fluff to fill the BRB page and to get clicks because … as you should know, there is an ongoing labor dispute. When there is real football, there will we less to bash each other about, can’t we just try to wait out the owners and the players a little bit longer before we “assplode” all over the internet?
And Keith-- darn it, change your name! It's not scary, and I'm embarassed to say it. Boris, Try that. Keith, you know, OH, watch out for KEITH!
by Chris Rosenberger on Jun 23, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
want a rant?
so you can trash the gm of the team. But when somebody calls you out it obviously drives ya nuts. Wasn’t a rant as much as boredom and as I was writing it was fitting in. I think I could do a better job than Smith too. But I’m also smart enough to know he is where he is for a reason. I have liked some of the moves he has done and disliked some. The one thing I do love about beiing a Texans fan is the integrity this team has. The front office hires quality people. I for one think that is alot to to with the General Manager making the decisions he makes. Like it was mentioned earlier and you seem not to understand…. What do the true leaders of this team think of him? Who are the ones that are trashing him? Ahman Green, I DID think he was faking and would have asked him myself. Marcus Coleman, admittedly don’t know the man and based his shit talking on hearsay. Dunta can’t cover shit for shit Robinson who wanted 10 mil + a year to suck ass. How bout you spend more time writing articles about the positives of this team and stop shitting on the F/O. Some fans want that constant trashing. But I’m willing to bet the majority don’t want to have countless things said negative about this team. The rest of the media does a good enough job dissin us and basically covering 31 other teams. I live in NY so this board and the team site are the only Texans news I get. I tend to get sick of 3+ seasons of Fire Kubiak and Smith. Everybody is always crying about the losing culture of this team. Well the team is playing to the fan bases expectations if all YOU people ever do is wish for the demise and failure of the team…..THAT WAS A RANT> Take your loser mentality and shove it in your newly appointed blogger rump! Did you really apply for this job a month ago just to trash the foundation of the organization
I'll say it again since you missed it the first time
I never signed on to be your cheerleader, so go blow your own sail.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
First of all I think the "Fire Kubiak/Smith" thing is maybe a year old.
Secondly, what do you mean when they hire “quality people?” High character? Sure, no question about that. But quality as in talent? If that were the case they would never have allowed Frank Bush in Reliant Stadium.
As for wanting positive stories…where are the positive stories for the Texans at? There isn’t much to be happy about from a 6-10 record, a historically bad defense, and a lockout that has kept the number of NFL stories to a minimum. SB is right, we’re not cheerleaders, and this is not the Texans department of propaganda. They have their own site for that. SB gave his opinion on Rick Smith’s handing of the Ahman Green signing. Judging from what I’ve heard, Smith could’ve handled it a lot better than he did and if even a fraction of it is true, then he deserves to be called out for it.
I understand where you’re coming from, not having a lot of Texans-related material nearby; I live in Seattle which makes finding Texans news hard to find. But I would sooner hear someone’s unvarnished opinion on the Texans defense than a glorified puff piece on how awesome Andre Johnson is. I don’t need to read about AJ being awesome. I already know that, I’d rather read about something more pertinent to the well-being of the team; and having a GM that knows what he’s doing is pretty high on that list.
If you don’t like the opinion, nobody’s holding a gun to your head saying you have to read the post. Lastly, don’t you ever say that we hope for our team to fail. Nobody that reads this blog would ever wish something like that, and certainly nobody that writes for it would. If that were the case, we wouldn’t bother putting fingers to keyboard about them. And anyone that does root for the Texans to fail is not really a fan, in my opinion.
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by UprootedTexan on Jun 23, 2011 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Shit...
I’m a Colts fan and even I don’t want you guys to fail (unless it’s against us, obv.)
I thought it was a good article, personally, but admittedly I don’t know a lot of the Texans’ backstory.
All I can say is if my team had the pieces that you guys have, and still ALWAYS failed to make the playoffs, I’d have a lot of questions for the front office, GM included.
I'm the prince - put your crown on the ground.
Is it weird to say I came to this comment?
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What news about the Texans can you not get in New York that I can get in Houston? Everything is online, and even the inane chatter of the local sports radio shows(where I have a feeling you’d be a good fit) are free online.
I think all of us have earned the right to question any and all of the decision makers on this team, and even if this is just a some sour grapes from former players, it’s certainly worth discussing. It’s not fun to complain about the team not making the playoffs, but there are only so many ways to call Dre and Foster Gods.
This is pretty over the top.
Still Blue is doing a damn good job here and I like his posts. Obviously I disagree about Rick Smith not doing his job, though I’ll concede that how good of a job he may be doing is easily up for discussion.
But Tim and BFD and everyone else who was involved in picking which new guys to add to the site picked well. Still Blue is solid and I enjoy his posts (same for UprootedTexan). We don’t have to agree with everything, but it sounds like you’re coming over fro Texans Talk or something.
All the bloggers here are very like-able and do a good job. A couple of them I’ve even met before in real life and it still holds true. Its terrible form to go attacking them like this as they’re the very reason this is the best Texans blog out there.
I go to other SB Nation blogs and they all seem amateurish in writing compared to the wit and intelligence you’ll find here.
I think most everyone would agree.
Yes, I agree with this
While, I don’t agree with Still Blue’s slant on this, he wrote it well. I’m just a little beyond looking at Pendergast’s immature opinions and thinking they’re any kind of a deal. I’m sorry to see that SB is lured into that thinking it’s evidence that someone sucks at their job. I am not so reactionary and accusatory. If I was going to criticize Smith regarding the Ahman Green situation it would be for signing him in the first place. The decision to overlook his age and injury history is where I would look to assign fault. Then signing him to such a large contract on top of that, would be next. After the fact, inquiring about the seriousness of Green’s injury is, to me, just doing his job. Green makes it sound like his integrity was violated. So what! When Parcells was a GM, do you think he ever bruised anyone’s feelings? Oh, I’m sure he was so sensitive that he never offended anyone. Ahman Green is nothing less than a spoiled idiot for bringing that up. It’s his opinion and recollection about a meaningless conversation. Marcus Coleman, even more detached from the Texans situation is even more meaningless. Interviewing Coleman was an obvious follow-up by Pendergast. He and his producers purposely went out and found another interviewee on the heels of the inflammatory Green interview to try to heat the fire up from a simmer to a boil. Pendergast is what he is. He thinks he is the new Jim Rome. He looks for any emotional subject and he will tear into it for his full three hours. He is catering to the idiots who listen to that crap and think it means anything. “He said this, therefore he sucks!” is what he is saying. What a waste.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Trashing ≠ Criticizing
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by Jon Banks on Jun 23, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kubiak has shouldered the roles of HC, GM, and D coordinator
… here, for years. He’s also been de facto OC in every year, aside from ‘09. Smith is his right hand man, the salary cap cruncher; the man who signs Bob’s checks; a locker room mole; as well as the man who provides coffee and doughnuts. Sometimes, that’s all a GM has to be. It wouldn’t be such an issue, really, if someone could match Koobs step by step. But let’s face it, Smith is a glorified accountant -not a football mind.
I’d sacrifice a testicle, not mine (perhaps Rip’s?), if we could have someone familiar with Koob’s scheme (cough… “blood enemy” Jeff Fisher) over Kubiak. Make it happen, Uncle Bob, throw the bank at Fisher, and make him VP.
Correct me if I'm wrong
But doesn’t Kubial higher buddy buddies. Also there won’t be any proof that Smith does anything until Kubiak or someone very important to this organization comes out publicly. Personally I think he’s a glorified secretary and accountant.
Ignore the haters SB, loved the article
Houston Texans:
1st Round: J.J. Watt (NT)
2nd Round: Ras-I Dowling/Brandon Harris (CB)
3rd Round: Mark Herzlich (ILB)
4th Round: Shiloh Keo (S)
5th Round: Chris Carter (OLB)
6th Round: Alex Henery (P/K)
7th Round: Stephen Burton (WR)
by CCBach on Jun 23, 2011 7:25 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Thanks for your support CC
I still love seeing your sig:)
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
Haha, lively topic, eh?
I voted other, because I do think Smith is doing the GM duties. (and honestly I think the poll’s a bit of a joke — for those overreacting to it, maybe you think SB is seriously suggesting that Andre Johnson is the acting GM?) What’s questionable — and I don’t know much about the Texans FO in this regard — is what duties he handles, and what’s delegated to the coaches. Different organizations have different dynamics, so I think it’s worth discussing. Hard to know how much to even criticize Rick Smith if we don’t know how responsible he was for, say, the Frank Bush hiring. Either way it’s a legitimate topic for discussion, especially since there isn’t a lot else to talk about right at the moment.
yea, maybe the tone was off a bit or something
but sometimes my humor falls flat and my jokes are mistaken for grandstanding. I think you hit the nail on the head.
But for the record, I was most definitely joking above when I suggested the Texans replace Smith with me. While I could use the paycheck, I know less about football than Mr. Smith and I’m sure he works harder than I would.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
OK….I guess I won’t try to be positive anymore. I will conform to your way of thinking… We never do good things, we will always suck…..Get the fuck outa here!!!! As much right as yall have to come up with damaging facts and whining about decisions you personally didn’t like. I have the right to say what I want. So if you want to go on the word of 2 disgruntled employees. I can say honestly that I believe those 2 players are full of shit. So go ahead and write your 5th article about how much you don’t like Rick Smith and I will keep reading about 15 words of it and move on like I have been. But when this team WITH THE F/O WE HAVE succeeds. When you change your tune and try to jump on the happyness bandwagon. I will point out your hipocracy. GO TEXANS!!!!
No wonder your comments read like you have no idea what you're talking about.
That’s what happens when you comment on articles you don’t bother to read. Then again, I’m sure 15 words is stretching your attention span.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
I read this one
and you and your attention span comment can jump off a bridge. take hydrocock with ya.
Easy kid
Don’t make me start dropping personal attacks on your childish ass. I’m not in the mood to get banned today but I’ll gladly do it to put you in your place.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
I may not be older than you
But I’m MILES ahead in maturity. You should learn a few things about humility before you pick a fight with someone of intellectual superiority.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
have my opinion heard without having to be attaacked by you is immature?
this is a fight you started by trying to be the military bully/ hero you think you are. How is it immature to try to voice my opinion? you have no idea who I am so your comments are as ignorant as you are
Okay seriously. Let it go.
It’s not worth getting banned over.
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by UprootedTexan on Jun 23, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
"hydrocock"
now thats just plain good fun.
Ive been at methodist all day seeing people die. get oevr yourselfs, its all in good fun.
and hydroshock should change his name just to make you feel like an ass
I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go fuck himself
well, it's in the right string of comments
though it’s referencing one further up. I just want to say though that AllenOU’s comment, without context, would make the all-time craziest non-sequitur EVAH!
To make me feel like an ass?
I’m not sure I’m following here.
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Supreme Galactic Editor of Battle Red Onion.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now where are those pants at?!
by UprootedTexan on Jun 23, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh and the point I was trying to make earlier was…. It would have been just as easy to write a piece on how Ahman Green stole millions from this team to justify Rick Smith’s question his seriousness of his injury while Marcus Coleman has no personal knowledge of how he operates. Rather than side with 2 guys who have been in the media trying to make this team look bad. Like someone acknowledged we are trying to sing the premier CB this offseason and the damaging words might hurt those chances. So when Green and Coleman are enemies of this team now and you side with them I will call you out. It’s not so much that I want to defend Smith. Just defend the TEXANS!!!!!
It would have been just as easy to write a piece
Why don’t you write it? I dare you. Just so I can trash it like you’ve done to SB.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
So no matter what I wrote you would trash it. I don’t care who the author is. I am disagreeing with supporting Ahman Green and Marcus Coleman’s beiing in the media trashing the GM of this team. grow up
You're not disagreeing
You’re being an asshole. The guy was simply doing his job as a BRB writer and you attack him as if you’re Rick Smith’s little gay lover or something. You’re the one that needs to grow up son.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Everyone Settle Down
This conversation should not deteriorate any further. Argue the merits of what’s written all you want. Stay away from the personal attacks.
Yes, this is a warning.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
What has Rick Smith ever done to justify any kind of defense?
He’s no Texan to me.
'You're not wrong, Walter. You're just an @sshole.' - The Dude
personally I have liked the in season aquisitions he has made. Mark Anderson, Jason Allen, and Bernard Pollard. Other than that I support his decision to NOT pay Dumta Robinson, due mostly to thefact that Dunta sucked ass. Evident by his play in Atlanta. We all loved Dunta till the end. Other than that I feel like alot of us don’t really know what he does. But considering how Mr McNair likes to be frugal I assume he does a good job getting the most for his money and I seriously doubt he would have a puppet role if he is getting paid, I’m sure he is working for it. Not to mention obviously Kubiak feels he is needed because he is te reason he is here.
Other than that I support his decision to NOT pay Dumta Robinson, due mostly to thefact that Dunta sucked ass. Evident by his play in Atlanta. We all loved Dunta till the end.
If he was so terrible, as you say, then why did you love him “till the end”??
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
I loved him because he is physical and he was with us through some tough times. But the biggest reason was the game where he hit Peyton and caused 3 fumbles. But the refs kept saying it was an incomplete pass.
So which is it Einstein??
Was he good or did he “suck ass”? You can’t have it both ways.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Oooohhhh
So now he was “slightly above average.” It seems you’re not able to make up your mind about how you feel. Allow me to clarify it for you then. Dunta Robinson was a pretty good corner before he tore up his leg, and one could argue he’s been on his way back to being pretty good. The fact that he was able to come back at all after that horrific injury is pretty fucking impressive to most.
Does that mean he was great? Absolutely not, and that is apparent by his lack of take aways. That’s why everyone agreed that he was not worth the contract he was demanding, and the Texans let him walk. But to insinuate that he was a poor player, after nearly EVERYONE here lauded him for being our best player for years, is simply ignorant. Just because he’s not worth his price tag does not mean he’s not a solid player. And laying Atlanta’s failures at his feet is simple bullshit.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
oh and it has been suggested he serves as a patsy….that is a pretty important considering all of us people who think we can do a better job. I don’t want an entire fan base mad at me because I have to take the blame for a coach who went into the season with the secondary we had last year. I think whatever he is getting paid he is earning it. I would ask alot to be hated by so many
Rick, is that you?
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
by Still Blue on Jun 23, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Still Blue
First, I congratulate you on the fine article. Second, I congratulate you because you generated lots of comments fast. I do not understand some of the ire against you because of this article.
I do not agree with what Green said so much, but I didn’t feel you were buying what he said hook-line-and-sinker either. We all wonder at times what Rick Smith really does as GM. None of us really knows, and we do not know what his actual duties are. There is a whole lot more to managing the franchise beyond choosing and signing players. These are the key factors upon which we fans focus.
I thought the article was interesting, I am not so sure Rick Smith is THE reason we do not sign certain FA players. I chose other as I believe Smith and McNair are doing the managing. McNair is basically quiet, but we do not know what strings he pulls behind the scenes. Just because he doesn’t show his a$$ like Jerrah doesn’t mean he is not running things.
You made us think. You made some mad. I think you did an excellent job if for nothing but those 2 things. Keep up the good work.
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
I think he just made the one guy mad
And that one guy was probably already mad at something unrelated (is about the only way I could understand it).
Thanks Barry
you rock
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
I didnt get mad till people started talking shit to me on a personal level. Alot of people have balls when all they have to do is type.
Bullshit
You jumped out of the gate mad and you know it. Quit playing the victim cuz we aint buyin it.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
your a retard. how am I playing victim? I was commenting on his article last night. Get on today and saw you and SB ripping me apart. I responded. You keep calling me kid like I’m some child. You could have just minded your fucking buisness and not been mentioned. I didn’t say shit to you till I went back and saw all your comments directed to me sucking Still Blue’s dick. I go out to mow my lawn and come back in and you are still talking shit. so I say f u
Okay, that is enough.
I had hoped that this flame war would die off and I wouldn’t have to get involved. Clearly that’s not about to happen here.
So I’m going to give a general warning, no personal attacks. If you don’t agree with a person, fine. But this has gone long past that point, so enough’s enough out of everyone involved in this little fight. Let’s just all take a breath and let this go.
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Supreme Galactic Editor of Battle Red Onion.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now where are those pants at?!
by UprootedTexan on Jun 23, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Well this thread is going along swimmingly.
What happened to our no personal attacks policy? Usually a reminder is enough, but geez…
The one thing that still gets at me
Is ric smith was a safety when he played, and his whole tenure here, safety has been a JOKE.
That right there lets me know the man is like our current president……All talk, no walk
I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go fuck himself
by AllenOU on Jun 23, 2011 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Safety has been a low priority position for the Texans since the beginning
See: Stevens, Matt
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I got a good laugh out of "hydrocock."
and I REALLY needed that today, so thank you for that. Even though you got pissed, it helped me through my day
I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go fuck himself
I'm so happy....
I never wanna beef with my fellow Texans fans. Let’s never fight again…..lmao I just have issues where if I feel attacked I lash out.
We are the world ♫ ♪ we are the children ♫ ♪
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Jun 23, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, goddammit
Now I’m going to have that stuck in my head.
But how did you put the music notes in there?
See my reply fail below
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My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Jun 23, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, that is impressive...
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
Just try reading it drunk
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Jun 24, 2011 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
The bottom line is...
we all hope that Rick makes me and everyone else doubting him look stupid by signing Asomugha and Weddle the day after the lockout is lifted which in turn will lead to the Super Bowl. Seriously, I’m sorry if I attacked you, but I was taken off guard by the passion of you Rick defenders. I did not expect that and should’ve been less emotional in my replies.
Asides from what I felt were personal attacks pointed at me (I know, I need to toughen up my writer’s calloused soul), I actually liked seeing all the love for Rick. And as much as my post might suggest otherwise, I do not have anything personal against Mr. Smith. Heck, I want to see the youngest and one of only three black GMs in the NFL succeed. He seems like a nice guy, but I was always puzzled about how a guy with so little experience landed such a big time gig. And the latest buzz in the news about him got me to thinking, which usually leads to a post. I wasn’t trying to do a hit piece nor did I advocate for his dismissal.
Before I go, I gotta thank everyone and especially Texansnutt for all the discussion (even if it got a little heated at times). I’ve had a rough couple of weeks and its nice to know that you guys are interested in my stuff even if you don’t agree (or it isn’t a puppies and glitter post about the Phillips Legacy;)
And one more: Thanks for having my back, Hydroshock.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
I just reread it and I don't see anything about
Asomugha, Weddle, the lockout, the playoffs, the Super Bowl… You have twisted your story into something that is isn’t. I saw the sensationalization of the Pendergast interviews with Ahman Green and Marcus Coleman. What you have done is given Pendergast credibility where he deserves none.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Nothing pendergast can do
Will give him credibility, so stop worrying your pretty little head about it.
I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go fuck himself
by AllenOU on Jun 23, 2011 6:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
you did all the twisting
My comments were an attempt to reach common ground and peace, not tell people what to think about my post. I trust people can make up their own minds. I also tried to explain my motivations for making the post. Apparently that confused you. Read my future posts at your own peril.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
It's all good....
I know I come off wound up all the time too. I’m just passionate about the TEXANS. Even wore a Texans Ball Cap douring my wedding and my xwife had a Texans garter belt. Colors were battle red and white. Yeah I’m sick!lol I am seriously considering moving to Houston just so I can get season tickets. I have seen them in Buffalo 2xs and I wanna be in Texan territory. I am not so much defending Smith as much as I am defending the GM of the team beiing attacked in the media. Sorry if I pissed anyone off, but I was just trying to make my point. It just got heated.lol
Peace…GO TEXANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I admire your passion
especially since you’re in NY. If you ever make it to Houston or Austin, maybe we can have a beer together and talk Texans. Peace.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
No doubt
sounds good to me…Hydro has to b there too.lol I don’t drink since the day I woke up in jail with a broken leg and 2 counts of first degree assault with a deadly weapon. But I will have a Red Bull….lol
The last time I mixed bar drunkenness and the Texans
I was attacked by a hater and took a metal bar stool to the back of the head that required 12 staples to the skull, so I feel ya! (It was our Thurs night game against the Titans and this town has a UT satellite campus so you can imagine the environment).
I don’t get down to Houston as often as I used to but next time I’m in town count me in.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
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My name is Barry - I am from Texas
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by Barryfromtexas on Jun 23, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
good article
It drew out some necessary venom from all angles to blow steam off in the lockout period.
Here’s my two cents and a beer…
First time Owner
First time GM
First time Head Coach
First time OC (shenanigan)
First time DC (bush)
WTF were they smoking to think the results would be anything but the disaster we lived through?!!!! Hopefully with Wade here we have the DC and OC roles handled.
Rick Smith’s drafts have yet to prove out, and he gets zero credit for Wade’s 2011 draft. Smith has yet to prove he can keep good players happy, even pissing off Andre Johnson to the point that the humble stud went public which obviously shows Smith was screwing around with the best player to ever wear the Texans uniform. Vonte had to drum up massive support and still isn’t secured.
I hope things improve now that the on the job training experiment has a few years invested.
The results
iPad fail (ctd)
If Rick screws up and loses Foster (assuming he continues to run like a bull), I hope Bob runs his ass over in the parking lot!
Yeah it's far from Andre's personality to go public about things like his contract
so that tells you he must have been way past “wits end” with Rick to do that. And THAT is all I need to know that Rick Smith is a horrible GM with regard to player retention and satisfaction.
Maybe he’s good with spreadsheets and bullshitting the owner, but agents and players don’t seem to care for the guy. I don’t see any players tripping over themselves to rally in his defense.
by MeMongo on Jun 25, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Despite others responses....
I have to agree w/you on this. For ‘Dre to go public….whether he had an ass of an agent or not….speaks volumes to me about how Rick Smith was treating him. And as the one article someone posted a link to pointed out, the author used more than just Green, and (other “disgruntled” former player that I can’t remember his name) as his sources. He didn’t use names but he did specifically mention that other agents and scouts don’t have a whole lot of use for the guy.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
I blame the Dre thing more on his agent-family member who is now no longer his agent
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
exactly
Dre let his Uncle negotiate the contract. Once he saw a couple of other guys get deals he realized how much his Uncle left on the table. I guess he could feel like the Texans intentionally took advantage of his Uncle, but that would be pretty naive.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
I remember seeing a report that
showed ’Dre could have lost as much as $20M over his career by not having a top agent negotiate his contracts. Here it is:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-directsnap060310
So is the issue “only” that he had a relative as an agent, or Rick Smith takes advantage of his best player….or both?
This argument can go around in circles
Complaints that Smith overpays. Complaints he doesn’t pay enough. Complaints, complaints, complaints.
He’s too inexperienced. He only likes players from Denver. What DOES he do? He’s a pawn. Blah, blah, blah.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
He was coming off of a knee injury...
Made sense to me. If you want long-term security in the midst of questionable health, you’ve gotta take a discount. He could have gambled and waited a year for more money, but he took the safe route. Renegotiating was an attempt to have his cake and eat it too. Using family members as agents is definitely a crappy idea, but I think his contract was fair at that point.
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