Is Matt Schaub one of the Top 5 QBs under 30? No, Says Mel Kiper, Jr.
Last weekend, ESPN did a radio show on the Top 5 QBs Under 30. Matt Schaub qualifies for consideration by the fact that he's a QB and he's under 30. But, that is it. Sit down Matt Schaub. You won't be receiving any further recognition. So determined Mel Kiper, Jr. and Dari Nowkhah of ESPN radio.
Who are the top 5 QBs under 30? 1. Green Bay Packers Aaron Rodgers 2. Pittsburgh Steelers Ben Roethlisberger 3. San Diego Chargers Philip Rivers 4. Atlanta Falcons Matt Ryan and they were split on 5. with Kiper taking Baltimore Ravens Joe Flacco and Nowkhah taking Tampa Bay Buccaneers Josh Freeman.
Now, there are others that have taken notice of this discussion and analysis that I would like to point out: over at Baltimore Beat Down and The Falcoholic. Both of their favorite teams' QBs received some mention. Nowhere was anyone outraged, or even concerned, that Matt Schaub did not receive a mention. Granted, Matt Schaub while he has the personal stats to compare to any of these QBs, there is something he doesn't have that they do. That is Super Bowl rings, or playoff victories, or at least playoff appearances. I suppose if that criteria is considered, then yes, he doesn't qualify. Pro Bowl appearances and in fact, Pro Bowl MVP awards also don't count. This leaves me with just one thought "Matt Schaub, please put this team on your back and carry them to the playoffs!"
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The Problem with Matt Schaub
is that he plays in Houston. Very low national exposure.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
Actually I think it's more of the ineptitude of the defense overshadowing him
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jun 28, 2011 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'd pick Schaub...
Over Josh Freeman and maybe Joe Falcco. I’d bet you there are some defensive players for the Ravens who would rather have Schaub.
But I can’t put him up there really because of the lack of success. Not to say that’s his fault though. I’ve seen enough from Matt over the past few years to believe he’s as good as any of those guys listed.Problem is the team around him ( okay the defense ) just hasn’t been up to par. He’s the reason we’re even competitive in games at this point.
My one complaint with Matt was his not playing even average against some of the better defenses in the league. But even that isn’t even the case anymore after watching him last year show up against defenses like the Jets and Chargers. I’d always feel trepidation when I’d see on the schedule we’d be facing a pretty solid defense.
If we make the playoffs next year and win a game all of a sudden you’ll see people talking about Schaub being one of the better QB’s in the league. He’s got the stats just not the wins. Since I said Texans finish 11-5 I think that’s going to happen. He’ll at least get mention on lists like the one mentioned more often.
BTW that Josh freeman pick is a classic premature crowning.
No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.
I'd put Schaub over Flacco, and Freeman (for now).
Flacco didn’t have the elite year that he should have last year with Boldin and Ray Rice on the team. Not to mention that he had an elite defense behind him.
I think Johnson being on the team clouds Schaub’s true talent. When people look at his stats, they immediately think that ‘Dre is the only reason for such good numbers. It’s hard to do what Schaub has done over the past few seasons, even if he has the best WR in the league on his team.
If he could cut down on his INT’s by a bit, he’d be a consistent Pro-Bowler.
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his ints weren't bad last year.
he wasn’t throwing his one horrible pass for a pick every game last year so he is working on it. He isn’t the int thrower favre has been thank god
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I think they are being a bit unfair
with Flacco and Freeman because they are basically voting for them based on future potential and not right now since they are both young.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco beat Schaub?
I call Bull.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
by Joe25 on Jun 28, 2011 9:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
As much as I like Josh Freeman, I'd take Schaub over him by a mile.
Schaub is way better than Freeman and Flacco. He’s better than Matt Ryan, too. I’m not sure what he has to do to get respect as a QB… I mean, how is he going to improve our defense?
Both good points
Schaubby doesn’t play D and you ponder about what it is he has to do to get respect, and I think that is the major crux of why no one elevates him into the top 5. What he has to do, is just win. Just win. Can the Texans take those two words and imprint them on their brains? In practice, they run a play and when the whistle blows to end it, I would like to hear 60 guys murmur, “Just win.” Two hundred times a practice, I would like to see their lips move as they whisper to each other, “Just win.” Don’t think of anything else. Mind over matter. Train yourself to just win. Four hundred times a practice, “Just win.” After a set of presses on the weight bench, before you get off the bench, “Just win.” Ingrain it into every thought and every action. Whatever it takes. “Just win.”
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Re: Just win
You’re correct. The “just wins” stat is THE quintessential missing variable that often elevates the most mediocre QBs into the national media spotlight……see Radio’s bullshit Pro Bowl season.
Yup. Schaub simply needs to master the technique of willing his team to win above all odds, despite the historic shortcomings of half the roster and coaching staff. If he does that they may give him a nod.
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Schaub is way better than Freeman
The league disagrees with you… same thing with Matt Ryan. I don’t want to hear that defense bullshit, the same players who voted Vonta Leach 65th and Arian Foster 25th (and AJ somewhere in the top 10) agree that those two QBs are better than Schaub. It probably has a lot to do with both of them leading their teams to multiple comeback wins.
You guys are so hung up on this ridiculous “just win” nonsense, personally I think it’s more about “just don’t make game losing mistakes in the 4th quarter”. I guarantee you if/when these younger QBs start throwing game losing picks, getting strip-sacked then throwing picks on back to back plays, and stuff like that you will see their hype die off.
Yeah and they Said McNabb was better
Really? Basing it on a list that has McNabb above Schaub? How was he better?
And yeah it isn’t like Matt Ryan ever had a pick six last year that ended up losing the game to the Packers or in 09 losing the game to the Saints or in 08… oh wait
And it isn’t like Joe Flacco had a strip sack or lost a game with a pick-six … oh wait
Yeah I guess teh Schaub has to be perfect like those guys
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by Barryfromtexas on Jun 29, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
100.D. McNabb Redskins, QB
I think he was referring to THAT list
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by Barryfromtexas on Jun 29, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
McNabb has undoubtedly has a better career than Schaub
I’d say that probably had something to do with it. There is no specific criteria, someone probably voted based on his body of work.
Somehow losing to the eventual super bowl champs in the playoffs doesn’t seem so bad to me. Neither does throwing picks trying to bring your team back in comparison to blowing games with a 2 score lead. He actually threw 2 picks and lost a fumble, if you were wondering. If Schaub ever makes it to the playoffs then we can compare their performances.
I never said anything about Joe Flacco.
Once again, it’s not about other QBs being perfect. The thing is both of those QBs have over 5 ( I think maybe 6?) comeback wins, it pretty much defines them as QBs. Schaub is known for…. what?
Maybe in 09 if he doesn’t throw the ball directly to Clint Sessions for a TD and then fumble the ball on the VERY NEXT SNAP the Texans make the playoffs and he elevates his name above these other guys. We didn’t need a heroic comeback, we just needed him to manage the game. Something that I think both of those guys do better than Schaub along with bringing their teams back.
Really, I don’t know why I comment on this subject here anymore. Stats don’t matter, public perception doesn’t matter, what happens on the field doesn’t matter. He’s always going to be underrated, he’s always gonna be top 5 even when there are 5 other QBs playing better than him, and it’s always going to be the defense’s fault even though all of our other good offensive players somehow manage to get a fair shake. The world is just out to bring Matt Schaub down.
OK are you just trolling or what?
First you argue that it isn’t about wins
You guys are so hung up on this ridiculous "just win" nonsense, personally I think it’s more about "just don’t make game losing mistakes in the 4th quarter
But then you say it is about wins
Once again, it’s not about other QBs being perfect. The thing is both of those QBs have over 5 ( I think maybe 6?) comeback wins, it pretty much defines them as QBs.
You say you never said anything about Flacco – by name no, but in referring to the article you said
the same players…agree that those two QBs are better than Schaub.
OK Who the other one besides Ryan since the article included Flacco?
The point is that you are not using any sort of reasoning behind what you are saying. I just pointed out that those other QBs actually do what you said
I guarantee you if/when these younger QBs start throwing game losing picks, getting strip-sacked then throwing picks on back to back plays, and stuff like that you will see their hype die off.
And their hype isn’t dying off.
I don’t think the world is trying to bring teh Schaub down, but I fail to see the logic behind what was said.
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Jun 29, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not trolling, you're just confused.
I was talking about Ryan and Freeman, hence those two. I never said anything about Joe Flacco, I have no idea why you are bringing him up.
Their hype isn’t going to go down until they either stop leading game winning drives or start Favre-ing it. The reasoning is they don’t blow leads or make critical mistakes in crunch time. They have better arms. They don’t have the greatest receiver not named Jerry Rice. They just… win… oh shi-
wait Josh Freeman?
Game winning drives? Playoff wins? Please do explain these.
You obviously don’t watch Texans games if you are saying Matt hasn’t lead some outstanding late game comebacks. Just because our defense blew it at the end or our kicker liked to miss field goals doesn’t take away the tremendous effort Schaub put in bringing the team in position to win. Last year alone Schaub lead 4th qtr comback drives against the Redskins, Chiefs, Jags, Jets, and Ravens. It isn’t his fault the defense is terrible and found ways to lose games.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
by DaGoaT on Jun 30, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
VY wouldn't have gotten us back in position to let it happen
He probably would have been sent to the locker him & accidently OD’d on pil….. wait, that was T.O.
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jun 30, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with this comment
except to point out that Josh Freeman has had some impressive game winning drives.
Schaub is still a much better QB.
But as Rip pointed out below, Schaub is no longer under 30.
Freeman
I don’t follow the Bucs closely, but looking back at their 2010 season I see a big difference between his “comebacks” and what Matt did. Freeman arguably played a part in 5 comeback drives last season, but lets look at his performances in those games.
Browns – 17-14, Freeman throws 182 yards 17-28 2TD
Bengals – 24-21, Freeman throws 280 yards 20-33 1TD
Rams – 18-17, Freeman throws 212 yards 23-40 1TD
Cardinals – 38-35, Freeman throws 278 yards 18-25 1TD
Redskins – 17-16, Freeman throws 266 yards 15-25 1TD
Total – 1218 yards, 93-151 and 6TDs
ZERO Playoff appearances
I also credit Matt Schaub with 5 late game drives in 2010.
Redskins – 30-27, 497 yards, 38-52 3TD
Chiefs – 35-31, 305 yards 25-33 2TD
Jags – 24-31, 314 yards, 22-32 2TD
Jets – 27-30, 254 yards, 19-33 1TD
Ravens – 28-34, 393 yards 31-62 3TD
Total – 1763 yards, 135-212 and 11TDs
ZERO Playoff appearances
So Matt Schaub throws 545 more yards, 42 more completions while having a better completion ratio, and 5 more TDs. Freeman’s opponents combine for 103 points while Schaub’s score 153. Freeman never threw more than 280 yards in those games, Matt only threw less than 300 once! Please for the love of god tell me how Freeman is better? What is better is that the Bucc defense actually kept the games in reach for Freeman to make one good drive on a rather mediocre overall performance each game vice Matt’s defense who were basically as effective as a pop warner team making him have to go balls out crazy trying to keep them in the game. If I am picking a QB for RIGHT NOW, its Schaub hands down. If you are looking at 5 years from now, then you would have a case for Freeman, but the criteria was who were the top 5 QBs right now(although Matt turning 30 makes it more moot).
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
by DaGoaT on Jun 30, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's a compelling stat comparison and explanation
I’ll take Matt Schaub until he can no longer crouch to take the 9" high snaps under Myer’s low-slung ass!
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by Rip Jersey on Jun 30, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe the Pistol formation would be more comfortable for Schaub
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jun 30, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
You gotta re-read my post
I explicitly stated Schaub is better and that I also agreed with your previous post.
I only pointed out that Freeman does indeed have some good game winning drives under his belt. I was at the Bucs-Rams game you listed there last season. It wasn’t as spectacular as Schaub’s QB Draw drive (which I also witnessed in person) but it was damn exciting.
It was more directed
at the guy claiming Freeman is better.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
All you need to know about Josh Freeman is
25 TDs, 6 ints as a double threat QB. Fuck those meaningless yards, and fuck having a QB with that many pass attempts. I’d rather have Josh Freeman managing the game with Arian Foster, Ben Tate, and Ward converting those extra passes into runs.
So let me get this straight
first you say that we focus on JUST WINNING, and say that we ignore as you put it: “Stats don’t matter, public perception doesn’t matter, what happens on the field doesn’t matter.”
Yet now you are using JUST WINNING as your sole defense and throwing our all the “meaningless” stats because they don’t support your opinion? You say you’d rather have Freeman running the Texans offense, AS A GAME MANAGER. Explain to me how wanting your QB to just “manage the game and hand the ball off” makes him top 5? Also explain to me how Freeman is going to get to just hand the ball off when the defense is giving up 28 points a game? I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW HE WILL JUST WIN GAMES.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
by DaGoaT on Jun 30, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
You really don't have it straight.
What the fuck are you talking about? TD to int ratios are stats the last time I checked. Handing the ball off doesn’t make him top 5, but not handing the ball off to the defense does. So does his cannon arm, so does his mobility, and so does his ability to break tackles.
How did the Texans beat the Colts in game 1 last season? Running the ball and controlling the clock. If the defense is still giving up 28 points a game next year then this entire conversation is meaningless.
So
You are going to use a TD to INT ratio because it supports your argument, but throw out Schaub’s more completions, better completion ratio, extremely better yardage and ypg because they are “meaningless”? Not to mention that the year before Freeman’s turnover ratio was god awful. VY has a cannon arm, mobility, and can break tackles, I guess by your logic he is top 5 as well. Tom Brady isn’t mobile, doesn’t have a cannon arm, so I guess you wouldn’t want a guy like him running the Texans offense either. Sexy Rexy had a cannon arm, guess he is pretty awesome too, I mean he did just win games and go to a super bowl. The only reason this conversation would be meaningless if the defense is still terrible this year is because you are basing your argument on just wins again and not the individual performance Schaub did to keep his team in the game.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
by DaGoaT on Jun 30, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm going to use TD to INT ratio
because it’s more important that meaningless yards or a very slightly better completion percentage. He had a bad turnover ratio in his rookie year? SAY IT AINT SO!!!!!!!!!
VY was also stupid as fuck. Tom Brady has other talents and characteristics that make him a great QB. Jamarcus Russel also had a cannon arm, are we gonna start naming off random QBs for the fuck of it?
I’m done. I’ve stated my opinion, not gonna sit here re-explaining things because you want to twist my words.
One thing you're not taking into account is attempts per INT
If a QB is throwing the ball more often, it only makes sense that he will throw more INTs, however what is each of their Attempts Per INT ratio? That’s what you need to look at
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jul 1, 2011 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry tool....
this is just like every other discussion you get into….you flip-flop so many times in the same post (forget consecutive posts) that you make a politician look positively rock solid in his convictions.
Then when it is pointed out to you point by point you claim WE are twisting your words. Sorry, you don’t need ANY help in that regard.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
by txknight on Jul 1, 2011 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
honestly...
put tom brady on a different team for his career he isn’t putting putting the same numbers up. Look @ cassel he playes an amazing year with the pats when brady went down, goes to kc and isn’t putting up the same preformance.
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I seriously disagree on Brady...
If you put him behind a solid line I think he does the same exact thing regardless of the uniform he’s wearing, that guy turns piss into lemonade.
Cassel’s season last year wasn’t that far behind the season he started in NE.
last year yes was decent...
but that is because kc is building around a good qb. Put brady on the texans before kubiak, or any team that lacks an amazing line he isn’t putting up the numbers. Brady was lucky that he is on the patriots where their o-line can hold off the germans from invading france. Peyton makes his team better, bradys team makes him better. Look at him since bonecrusher destroyed his knee, even the texans d looked good against him.
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epic failure
Please quit while your behind. You want a duel threat QB please show me one that has one a Superbowl. I can think of one but by the time we won he was no longer considered a duel threat Steve Young. Flacco is a joke and Freeman lets say one thing about him. Has not played long enough. As for the Mcnabb entry you can’t use Mcnabb because they are using a full carreer. So why does Freeman show up for just one season. I hate list of who’s who because all it is a beauty contest. That being said teh Schaub will get street cred once the Texans make the playoffs. I feel like most of you out there seriously underated. I am good with that so when they win people will start talking about him like they talk about Brees.
I never said anything about playoff wins
and Josh Freeman had like 6 comeback wins, not sure what you’re getting at.
He’s lead like 2 or 3 actual comebacks, you don’t get credit for a comeback if you don’t win the game period. The only comebacks he deserves credit for are the Redskins game and possibly the Chiefs game even though that had more to do with that bad PI call on Brandon Flowers. If you give the other QB enough time to score then you run the risk of losing. Not that it’s really his fault per-say, I just don’t see how you give someone credit for a losing effort. How do you give him credit for a comeback drive against the Jags when we never had the lead in that game?
The Ravens loss is the defense’s fault? Really? You sure it didn’t have anything to do with him throwing a walk off pick six?
Wait a minute
Are you saying it is about JUST WINS GAMES? I thought you said we were the ones hung up on that?
You give Freeman credit for a comeback in which his defense had FOUR picks. The only loss that was Schaub’s partial fault was against the Ravens for the pick in OT, but that doesn’t erase the amazing 4th qtr performance driving his team 96 yards against one of the best defenses in football that he had to do because our defense put us in a horrible position yet again. The whole point of this was to show you how you are unjustly calling Freeman better based on rather mediocre performances and stats when he was supported by much better defensive performances. Freeman might develop into a top QB, but right now Schaub is better and the numbers overwhelmingly support it.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
by DaGoaT on Jun 30, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
No, but i'm sure if you say it enough i'll just stop responding to you.
He lost the game on a pick six, that DOES erase that 4th quarter performance.
Thats bullshit
He made a bad read at the worst time, but that doesn’t take away the fact he lead the offense to 21 straight points against a top defense to get back in the game. That performance alone was better than Freeman’s entire games.
I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.
I had to wreck this....
cause I thought he had done the same flip-flop in logic. In one sentence he says all teh Schaub needs to do is manage games…..then points out other QB’s have comeback wins…..HUH?!
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
I said nothing about Schaub managing GAMES.
I said he needed to manage that specific GAME where we were up by 2 touchedowns when he threw a pick six and then got stripped and lost the fumble on the very next play.
I was mentioning comebacks because that is the public perception of why they are great players. Personally those comebacks don’t mean all that much to me, Freeman’s physical ability alone is enough to win me over. I’d take an athletic guy with a cannon arm who throws less picks over Schaub any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Schaub
has 7 4thQ comebacks and 9 game-winning drives. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=SchaMa00
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by MDC on Jun 30, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
My guess is
You really haven’t the smallest clue about football. Do you even know what you’re talking about? Or did you Google it?
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by XMPTexansFan! on Jun 29, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Schaub could sneak in the 5th spot
I think you could make a case for him against any of the QB’s on the list, but you could just as easily make a case for the other guy too. I only see Schaub definitively beating out Flacco and Freeman. I really like both of those guys, but I don’t think they have proven themselves as a QB the way Schaub has. Flacco has been on really good teams. He’s had his share of big games, but they lean on that defense an awful lot. I watched Freeman a lot in college. Guy could make an absolutely amazing throw one play and then turn around and miss his WR by a mile on the next. I’ve always thought he had a lot of potential, but he still has some growing to do.
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No. Thank you. I'll pass.
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by UprootedTexan on Jun 29, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jul 5, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
BTW, everyone.... as of 4 days ago, Matt Schaub is no longer under 30!
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Well that pretty much settles that.
For accuracy, I change my vote to Schaub being in the top 5 QBs over 30.
by WhiskeyR on Jun 29, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Schaub is much better than Eli
If we had the defense that Eli benefited from, the comparison wouldn’t even be close
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jun 29, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Eli make more than Schaub
but, he pays state income tax on that….. NY State likes to tax you!
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
That could have something
to do with why he didn’t receive consideration on this list…
by Bobbythegreat on Jun 29, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Need moar tags.
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I probably could have said that a little better.
I think that Schaub is an extremely talented QB. I watch him play on tv and see the stats.
AllenOU'd
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by The Night Owl on Jul 1, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Josh Freeman might be the next great QB in the league
but no way I take Flacco over Schuab. If we are talking about only next year, I take Schuab over both.
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He's good
but he’s not “Tier One”. Hanging balls up for ’Dre to stop, come back, and wait on that could otherwise be touchdowns is killing us. His arm strength and accuracy are suspect as hell. There were WAY too many balls thrown low and behind receivers last season.
He has a good “mind” for the role, and an above average execution. This off season he is stepping up the leader role in large ways. If he can just get the arm strength and accuracy dialed in, he can move to “Tier One”.
I just don't understand why more people can't be objective like this.
I’ve actually had people tell me that “it would be bad if Schaub could hit Andre in stride on double moves because the defense would be on the field more”. It’s pure insanity.
I just want to point out for the record
Mel Kiper, Jr knows as much about NFL football as my sweaty ball sack.
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hydro that is not what I heard
I heard mel likes your sweaty sack with a glass of milk!
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Actually
He said my sweaty sack was overrated and lacks the natural ability to succeed at the pro level, so he gave it a 4th round grade.
Todd McShay on the other hand, is big on my sack.
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by Hydroshock on Jul 5, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
that deserves a rec...
and I heard al davis is looking at your sack for the draft. Speedy but no real talent
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by Taco Joe on Jul 5, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They're calling it the Hydrosack for the extra sweat
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I am glad we went from schaub to hydro's sack
only on brb is male genitalia so represented.
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and, neither gets a top 5 rating from Mel....
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but, in lieu of that, we're ready for more Hydrosack jokes
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