Nnamdi Asomugha! Now That I've Got Your Attention, Let's Talk About Johnathan Joseph
by Tim on Jun 29, 2011 7:00 PM CDT
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PrintWhenever the lockout finally gets resolved and free agency opens, the clamor for Bob McNair to open his wallet for Nnamdi Asomugha will reach a fevered pitch. While I agree that the Texans need to make a spirited run at the No. 1 CB on the market, what if Asomugha just flat out doesn't want to be a Texan? What's the contingency plan?
It should be Johnathan Joseph. And frankly, calling Joseph a "contingency plan" is a bit of a misnomer. He's a stud, and he's hardly a consolation prize. Let's discuss a bit further after the jump.
By way of introduction, here's a brief primer on Johnathan Joseph from our friends over at Cincy Jungle. There should be plenty of competition for Joseph's services, and with good reason: In a deep free agent class for cornerbacks, Joseph, in my mind, is clearly the second most appealing option, behind Asomugha.
Joseph is almost three years younger than Nnamdi, and Joseph should come (perhaps only slightly) cheaper. Joseph, like nearly any free agent corner of note, would represent an immediate upgrade for the Texans, and I like the thought of him being responsible for half the field infinitely more than Antonio Cromartie, Ike Taylor, Carlos Rogers, or any other option whose first name doesn't start with two consonants.
Heck, depending on the kind of money Nnamdi pulls down in relation to Joseph, I might even prefer Joseph to Asomugha. Is that heresy?
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I would rather have Joseph
because of the price and since everyone will be trying hard to sign Nnamdi it would be easier to sign Joseph and move to other free agents.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
exactly what I was thinking
your comment and Tim’s post. Joseph would make it much easier to deal with the salary cap.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
I would like to know what Peter King thinks about this
Seeing how he’s in charge of Nnamdi-central
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Important concept...
Joseph, like nearly any free agent corner of note, would represent an immediate upgrade for the Texans
I just want either someone who can lock down one side of the field, or I want two lower-end someones to improve overall corner play. It’s an unenviable position, but frankly I think the only way for this secondary to go… is up.
"In conclusion, I’d like to say that Dicky Justice is an assclown."
"...your in-house hirings on the defensive side suck donkey balls..."
- tehGrindCrusher
I think its important hat we upgraded the secondary coach.
I’d love to land Nnamdi or Joseph. Especially now with an apparent coaching upgrade.
I really do think that our defensive coaches have left a lot of player potential on the board and hopefully the change will get more out of them. I’m excited about that. I also hope it means that Kareem Jackson improves enough to make fans out of us all. If that happens and you couple it with bringing in Nnamdi or Joseph, then we suddenly have a potentially top 10 defense.
That’s a lot of “if’s” though.
He’s one of those odd players that likes to hit, but is kind of a poor tackler.
I like him though. However, given that he’s two years younger than Asomugha, he isn’t going to be much cheaper.
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Guys I think the Texans are going after at CB and S
Nnamdi
Johnathan Joseph
Drayton Florence
Ike taylor
Carlos Rodgers
Antonio Cromartie
Now for S
Dashon Goldson
Eric Weddle
Donte Whitner
Danieal Manning
Gerald Sensabaugh
Atari Bigby
Eric Smith
Quintin Mikell
Just some names I feel like the Texans will pursue this (hopefully) upcoming FA period. I put guys like Drayton Florence and Gerald Sensabaugh up there because they were both full time starters for Wade when he was coaching them on defense.
Looking through the lsit of available FA’s for CB and S these were the names that most stuck out to me since a lot of the guys available are either old and past their prime or young with little or no starting experience.
There are other interesting names floating around but I don’t see them being anything more than depth moves. Unless we, say, move another CB (besides Quinn) to S and sign another CB to play #2. Wade has said he doesn’t like Kareem’s deep speed but I doubt he’d move either Kareem or Jason Allen. Then again in this pressure season for the staff (and mainly the defensive staff), if an opportunity presented itself that they could sign two solid CB’s instead of one I think they will at least consider it.
No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.
At CB, I'd rather have Joseph or Cromartie. At Safety, I'd rather have Manning or Mikell
Why I say those:
CB
Joseph – Next best option to Asomugha, slightly cheaper
Cromartie – Familiarity with the system, cheaper than Asomugha, needs tax relief to help with child support payments
Safety
Manning – great top end speed, has kick return skills, can play either safety position
Mikell – better than anyone we have (do I need to explain further?)
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jun 29, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm still not sold on Cromartie.
He’s been way to inconsistent since that 2007 season and the Texans have had enough with inconsistency through the years that they don’t need to add more.
He had a rather solid year in 2010 but that was with Revis on the other side and an aggressive front 7 that hit the QB a lot.Not to mention very good safety play. I just don’t like making him “the guy” here. Maybe he’d prove me wrong but from what I’ve seen he’ll always be up and down in his play.
No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.
Yes, but
Revis on the other side meant he got more targets. I think he has improved his game.
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Jun 30, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Dang your attention grabbing post, playing with my emotional heartstrings.
I’d probably be good with Joseph, I’d be mad a few weeks after we got him if we passed up Scrabble, but meh, we’d carry on. Much more of a value for his talent, more money to lock up Foster and Leach’s contracts, Win Win Scenario, but I swear the fanbase would burn efigys of Joseph and Smithiak if this guy doesn’t produce
"It was like the Alamo!"
2 options for the Texans IMO
Nnamdi, or Jonathan Joseph AND Eric Weddle at safety. That would be a sweeeeet combo.
by flowda on Jun 29, 2011 11:12 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Do we need you remind you about Weddle's ability to whiff on tackles?
He’d fit in too much with the status quo here. We need something different
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jun 30, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I would hate to burst any bubbles here,
but chances are, we aren’t getting any of these top-tier FA’s.
Why? Rick Smith.
I have no faith in Smith to reel in a big fish like Joseph or Scrabble. His personality and his way of approaching situations is way too conservative.
Even if McNair open up the checkbook, we aren’t likely getting these guys.
Our only chance of landing one of these DB’s is if ’Dre does some heavy recruiting, which he has done some so far on twitter.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
Exactly
We get sensabough and Thats it. I would be surprised if we made two signings in the secondary, and if we did it would be names most don’t know. Doesn’t mean they can be better
I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go fuck himself
by AllenOU on Jun 29, 2011 11:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I fear the Ike Taylor and Sensabough route. FEAR IT.
A Josh Wilson and Dashon Goldson route wouldn’t be too bad…(throwing out more names).
Joseph and Michael Huff also a possibility.
I do think there will be two signings. A lot of talk has led me to believe it won’t just be 1.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Taylor would be bad.
He’s only a product of the excellent PITT defense.
Joseph and Huff is best case scenario, but like I said, I don’t think Smith can sign these big name FA’s.
I think Sensabough is the most likely to come here, but that’s not saying much.
The guy who I want, who is in Smith’s range, is Josh Wilson. He played very well in a dominant BAL defense. He may not have another year like last year (due to an amazing defense), but I think he’ll be a better option at #1 CB than Jackson would be.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 29, 2011 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Product or mainstay?
You don’t start on the best defense in football for the better part of a decade if you can’t play.
by Nashmeister on Jun 30, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You’re right. He gave up only one TD last year, his completion rate allowed is low… He’s not a product of a system. He’s a good corner.
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Best defense in football?
That defense is Polamalu.
With him, they’re amazing. Without, they’re mediocre.
I know losing your best player is a big blow, but that defense was significantly worse without Polamalu.
As for Taylor, I still don’t trust that he’s an above average corner.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 30, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty much exactly like Bob Sanders to the Colts
But not as fragile
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jun 30, 2011 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
keep this on the down low
but I concur.
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
Why?
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 30, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
As for Cromartie,
Lance Z said that there’s a 0% chance that he comes here.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
All I know is..
If the Texans defense looks something like this at the start of the season..
(DE) Antonio Smith, (NT) Earl Mitchell, (DE) JJ Watt.
(OLB) Mario Williams, (ILB) DeMeco Ryans, (ILB) Brian Cushing, (OLB) Connor Barwin/ Brooks Reed.
(FS) Glover Quinn, (SS) Eric Weddle/ Michael Huff, (CB1) Nnamdi Asomugha/ Jonathan Joseph (CB2) Kareem Jackson/ Jason Allen. Then, throw in Brandon Harris at the nickel. This Defense could be very nice with Wade runnin’ the show.
Asomugha won't come here, we can't afford him
and even if he does, we can’t afford Weddle. Remember we need to pay Foster & Leach, Mario next year, plus add Jacoby, Leinart, Butler, or their replacements when a new CBA is signed
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jun 30, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
When the new CBA is signed
Let’s all start every post with that phrase… as in,
“When the new CBA is signed, Asomugha won’t come here, we can’t afford him.”
Actually, when the new CBA is signed, is it possible they raise the salary cap and everyone receives a raise, therefore, we can afford all of the above?
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
Not likely with the amount of money Asomugha will command
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jun 30, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I bet Leinart is gone
if teams are reaching in the draft for Locker and Gabbert in the top 10, then somebody is gonna give Leinart a chance to compete for the starting job. And Leach will be gone too if he insists on being the highest paid FB in the NFL (not that he doesn’t deserve it). I hope Butler is a top resign priority, but Kubiak, I mean Smith;) probably has Jakespeare in that spot at the moment (much to all the Jacoby-haters chagrin;)
"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert
That's a dream scenario.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jun 30, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
depending on if they become free agents….. I’d like to get in this order:
Namndi
Joseph
Chromartie
Maybe Ike Taylor for experiance and knowledge of a 3-4
other than that I really don’t know how much better the rest are than Jason Allen Brandon Harris and Kjax with better coaching
I really feel like a better system and better DB coach plus some better safety play and a more confusing and agressive front seven help will turn things around for us
I do believe we need guy like Weddle, Quinton Mikel or Mike huff to come in also.
I’d love to see them trade Slaton and a pick for Laron Landry from the Redskins hell throw in Orlovski too they need a QB
Sounds like...
You’ve put a little too much value on Slaton and Dan O, or a too little on Laron. No way they’d give up Landry for that, even if you threw in a first rounder as the pick.
Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.
The secondary really should not be too impacted by a 3-4
Their job, role, position all remain the same……what will affect them is Wade and Vance’s cover schemes more than anything.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Not sure that's entirely true.
We’re going to be a linebacker short with Mario rushing the passer 90% of the time, and Barwin/Reed playing more of a hybrid role than a 4-3 OLB. In a division with CJ and MJD, outside containment by CBs is likely to become a bit of an issue.
That isn't a linebacker short
Not from most 3-4 sets I have seen
My name is Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Jun 30, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not referring to most 3-4 defenses.
I’m talking about the difference between the 4-3 and 3-4. Theoretically, your typical 4-3 OLBs are more adept at sealing the edge than their 3-4 counterparts. Maybe the difference doesn’t actually exist in reality, but logically speaking it aught to.
I say we sign our safety first
First we sign our safety and then we have our targeted corners that we want to sign realize that this isn’t the secondary or the remains of a decomposed alleged secondary! Maybe double Nn will think about it,as we are now cromaryie thinks we arent a responsible group.
by Hstntxns on Jun 30, 2011 12:32 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I disagree.
I think you we have to sign a corner first..preferably Asomugha or Joseph. THEN, we find a safety. If we don’t get a shut down corner that can cover the majority of the field, then our safety’s wont be able to help on the weak side, or with the oppo corner (KJAX). We need atleast one dominant corner if we plan on getting to and or advancing in the playoffs.
Can't afford them both
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
by The Night Owl on Jul 1, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Joseph and Huff. FTW
I’m not sure about Cromartie but Dre and Cush are doing a lot of recruiting of him on twitter. Apparently Cromartie and Cush have been working together at Defranco’s all offseason. He’s still an upgrade. I like him. Ice Kareem isn’t a lost cause yet but if doesnt improve this year i’ve got two words for next years draft..Cliff freaking Harris
I like to think of as being like Andre only lighter and minus alot of the athleticism.
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