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Great Expectations: Texans' Free Agency Priorities

Rumors persist that a looming settlement between the owners and the players will end the NFL lockout this month, and details of the settlement have begun to leak. If you're like me, you're less interested in how they plan to divvy up the loot and more interested in what the new rules for free agency and the salary cap are going to be and what that means for the Houston Texans.

It's being widely reported that unsigned players with at least four years of service will be unrestricted free agents. It sounds like teams will be able to use the franchise tag to protect one player as before, but unable to restrict four and five-year players with tendered offers.

For the Houston Texans this means WR Jacoby Jones, OT Rashad Butler, OG Mike Brisiel, DE Mark Anderson and QB Matt Leinart join LB Kevin Bentley, P Matt Turk and FB Vonta Leach on the unrestricted free agent list. As some astute observers have already noted, this also means there are more free agent defensive backs out there now that aren't named Nnamdi. Take the jump as we try to separate great expectations from the realistic ones.

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Another leaked detail of the proposed new CBA says teams will be required to spend over 90% of their salary cap. This should increase the number of buyers in the FA market and the number of dollars spent as well. Some estimates have placed the salary cap between $135 and $140 million, and it appears the Houston Texans currently have around $123 million in player payroll.    

Since I didn't get enough abuse for my Rick Smith post last month, I'm here to deliver some bad news:

  1. There is not going to be enough room under the cap for all the free agent wishes on everyone's shopping lists to be granted.
  2. No matter who is running the front office, there is no way to afford Nnamdi Asomugha if we plan to fill our other needs competently.

As much as I would love to see Asomugha in a Texans uniform, it's not looking likely nor worth pursuing. As a matter of fact, I doubt Gary Kubiak, I mean Rick Smith, has any plans to go after a shutdown corner. I can already see the comments and howls of betrayal for suggesting Smithiak would do anything less than attempt to fulfill our wildest free agency dreams, but hear me out.

Before anyone suggests this is more evidence of my hatred for Rick Smith, I think passing on Nnamdi would be the wise move at this point. My crude research suggests the Texans have less than $17 million to shop with after the lockout is over, and Nnamdi will easily cost more than $10 million per year. As I mentioned before, I think the FA market is going to be a feeding frenzy with inflated prices, especially for shutdown corners, and he will cost much more than $10 million. Besides, it's not as if the Texans' front office has a lot of experience diving into feeding frenzies, so why waste time going after someone who will make it difficult to stay under the cap that we probably wouldn't get anyway?

Maybe my bias against Rick Smith has lowered my expectations, but I just don't see the Texans landing the Golden Goose of the off-season. I would love to think that means Smithiak goes after Cincy CB Johnathan Joseph instead, but I'm going to continue to rain on your parade and tell you why I don't see that happening either.

Kubiak has already made it clear he wants to re-sign guys like Jacoby Jones and Rashad Butler. Groan all you like, but Kubiak seems to want as much status quo going for his offense as possible. I suspect he has Jakespeare at the top of the list, although I think Butler is more important. Since they also extended them tender offers, I bet Smithiak tries to resign Brisiel and Anderson as well. If they don't re-sign Turk, they need to get a punter in free agency too. This shopping list is getting long already. Did I mention that free agency is going to be a feeding frenzy in a compressed time period?

Maybe fate will lend Smithiak a hand and simplify a few things. In a league where teams are reaching in the draft for college QBs like Jake Locker and Blaine Gabbert in the top 10, I think Leinart is going to get a chance to compete for a starting job somewhere else. Since Kubiak has two other backup QBs, there's no need to worry about a QB in free agency. Also, if Vonta Leach wants to become the highest paid fullback in the league, he will probably end up somewhere else as well. I'm not saying Leach doesn't deserve it, but Kubiak seems to already have a replacement in mind in TE James Casey and Casey has even bulked up for the role. It seems like there's a lot of LB depth to be too worried about Kevin Bentley, but I'm not sure how Phillips or Kubiak feel about that.

That still leaves at least five current players to re-sign or replace and an inexperienced secondary to fortify from free agency. I see that as quite a list for a couple of guys who will never be called shopaholics. Maybe Smithiak will exceed my expectations, but I hope they have a priority list to contend with their limitations. I think re-signing current players like Jakespeare and Butler will be their top priorities. Hopefully, fortifying the secondary comes in as a close second.

Some people have been so overly optimistic they have suggested Smithiak will sign a veteran cornerback AND safety this off-season. I now know that is folly. Maybe they will prove me wrong, but given the conditions this off-season, I suspect Smithiak will be doing good to re-sign the current players they want and get either a veteran cornerback or a safety... but not both. There just isn't enough time or money.

Considering the depth at cornerback (that was strengthened by drafting Brandon Harris in the second and Roc Carmichael in the fourth round of this year's draft) and the lack of depth at safety (both of last year's starters are gone), I can only assume Smithiak has placed a higher priority on finding a veteran safety to pair with CB-turned-safety, Glover Quin. Remember, new secondary coach Vance Joseph was very excited about the film he saw of CBs Jason Allen and Brice McCain and he seems to agree with Phillips' view that Kareem Jackson's problems are immensely coachable.

The nicest thing Joseph said about S Troy Nolan was that he's "capable of doing it right." Combine that kind of talent with a fifth round pick and you have the most glaring need on the roster. No offense, Shiloh Keo; I'm sure you're going to be a beast on special teams, but we need veteran coverage skills from both safety spots. Does that mean we should pencil top safety free agent prospect Eric Weddle in across from Quin? Once again, I think the conditions conspire against the fans' wishes. It will take too much money and too much time to sign him, so get ready to settle for Gerald Sensabaugh. Hey, he knows Wade's system and he will be an improvement from last season.

I still think the Texans can make the playoffs with these limitations on their free agency shopping. If the pass rush is as good as I expect, players like Jason Allen and Brandon Harris might be able to hold down the corners just fine, but I don't see Troy Nolan or Shiloh Keo doing the same in the middle. Hopefully I'm wrong and Smithiak can shop-til-they-drop and fill everyone's free agency desires, but I think we would be wise to keep our expectations in check...and our priorities in order.

Poll
If Smithiak considers re-signing guys like Jacoby Jones and Rashad Butler to be their top priority, what free agent acquisition should be their next priority:
Nnamdi Asomugha: Damn the salary cap! Go for the Ferrari.
73 votes
Johnathon Joseph: Damn the Ferrari, get a Corvette with less miles.
162 votes
Eric Weddle: Or a Porsche with even less.
80 votes
Gerald Sensabaugh: Sure it’s a Miata, but it’s turbo-charged and has a roll-cage.
25 votes
No one. Troy Nolan is like a Ford Focus: "capable of doing it right."
13 votes

353 votes | Poll has closed

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When you say there won't be room for everyone's wishes for free agency

Are you saying that with consideration to what teams do have room? Do you have any reliable info on what other teams have under the cap, in relation to the Texans?

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by Rip Jersey on Jul 1, 2011 9:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Also, I've been driving a Ford Focus this week while my truck is undergoing body repairs

It gets me where I want to go, but it keeps beeping when I get up to 70 and a sign comes on that says I’m traveling close to the car’s maximum speed. I don’t like that.

Does Troy Nolan have a warning light that flashes when he goes too fast?

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by Rip Jersey on Jul 1, 2011 9:27 AM CDT reply actions  

No, that is Kareem

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by Barryfromtexas on Jul 1, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

That light flashes when he falls down...

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by DilloTex on Jul 1, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you should....

find out exactly what a Ford Focus’s top speed is.

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by Hydroshock on Jul 1, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gravity's pretty fast...

Try driving it off a cliff.

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by beefy on Jul 1, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

104 mph

That’s as fast as I got my rental

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by AllenOU on Jul 1, 2011 1:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thx, that'll save me some explaining

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by Rip Jersey on Jul 1, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably set by the computer

I had an Accord that the computer cut it off and on at 114

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by Barryfromtexas on Jul 1, 2011 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's up w/these lame ass top end cut offs on cars?

My ‘94 Dodge Dakota w/the 318 doesn’t govern until redline and that equates to 120mph. C’mon, a PICK UP w/a higher top end than some sedans? Something doesn’t equate w/this gear head.

Just my $.02
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by txknight on Jul 1, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is called vicarious liability

Except for special cars and police packages the computers limit the speed. Some makes started before others – a lot has to do with the speed rating of tires that come on the car.

That is why people can sell these

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by Barryfromtexas on Jul 2, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I say we throw a decent offer

To Jonathan Joseph and if he bites, great. If not we get a safety. My opinion is if we do not get someone to help GQ then both safeties will be a glaring need. Corner doesn’t look AS bad. Jason Allen has a grudge and wants to show he’s worth it. Plus I think if he had a full year with Texans he’d have been our best corner, no offense to GQ.
I say give all the corners a knife and tell them BOTH are up for grabs and let them fight.
Brandon Harris, Sherrick, and Roc all want playing time. Jason Allen and Kareem Jackson have alot to live up too.

Houston Texans:
1st Round: J.J. Watt (NT)
2nd Round: Ras-I Dowling/Brandon Harris (CB)
3rd Round: Mark Herzlich (ILB)
4th Round: Shiloh Keo (S)
5th Round: Chris Carter (OLB)
6th Round: Alex Henery (P/K)
7th Round: Stephen Burton (WR)

by CCBach on Jul 1, 2011 9:39 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I think I hear you saying S is a higher need than CB

I want to agree, but not sure. There are enough guys challenging for the CB1 and CB2 spots. However, none proven. Therein lies the issue that Wade, Smitty and Koobs have to deal with when figuring out the D-backfield mess. Yes, sounds like they have committed Quin to S, and that leaves the other S spot, but frees up a CB spot. What to do, what to do….

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by Rip Jersey on Jul 1, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Danieal Manning should come on the cheap

Have him & Nolan compete for the starting FS spot while plugging in Quin at SS

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jul 1, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

umm..

Correct me if i’m wrong, but Glover Quinn is a free safety.

by flowda on Jul 1, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

See AllenOU's comment below

It really doesn’t matter, it’s more of a twin safety system anyways rather than a free & strong safety system

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jul 1, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jason Allen will be a Baller this year

Contract year for one. The guys been working out like a crazy person and is in excellent shape. He will play great for us this year and then be in line for a huge contract. I might be a little biased but watch out, JA is comin to play this year

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by AllenOU on Jul 1, 2011 10:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

I'm in your camp on this one

I liked the Allen signing and think he can be a big contributor. That doesn’t mean I want to settle for him as our #1 though, but if I have to I’m not going to freak out necessarily. Still, if we go that route we BETTER get a stud safety.

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by Hydroshock on Jul 1, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm totally down with Manning as one of our S targets

He’s not the best cover safety out there but he’s not a liability, plus he can tackle and return. In my IDP dynasty league he’s been money for 3 straight seasons. That may not mean much in real life but it shows his consistency.

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by Hydroshock on Jul 1, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

One thing needs to be brought up
Kubiak has already made it clear he wants to re-sign guys like Jacoby Jones and Rashad Butler. Groan all you like, but Kubiak seems to want as much status quo going for his offense as possible. I suspect he has Jakespeare at the top of the list, although I think Butler is more important. Since they also extended them tender offers, I bet Smithiak tries to resign Brisiel and Anderson as well. If they don’t re-sign Turk, they need to get a punter in free agency too. This shopping list is getting long already. Did I mention that free agency is going to be a feeding frenzy in a compressed time period?

Are you including resigning Foster & Leach in this scenario? As far as a punter goes though, they can bring in Chas Henry as an UDFA on the cheap. As far as who we should go after, I chose No One simply because you left the two names off the list I would have considered, Antonio Cromartie & Danieal Manning

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jul 1, 2011 10:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Foster has the franchise tag

and I suspect the Texans will let Leach walk if he wants to be the top paid FB in the NFL. I suspect that has a lot to do with Kubiak having Casey bulk up this off-season.

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by Still Blue on Jul 1, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Foster didn't get the franchise tag, he's an Exclusive Rights Free Agent
Exclusive-Rights Free Agents (ERFA)

An Exclusive-Rights Free Agent is an NFL player who is not under contract, but has only two years of NFL experience. If his former club makes him an offer at the three year veteran minimum salary, then that’s it, he has to take it or leave the NFL. These guys have no right to negotiate with other teams. They are “free” only in the sense that they’re free to quit.

However, something tells me his agent will be asking for a better contract than the 3-year veteran minimum

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jul 1, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for pointing that out

I should’ve known that, but I didn’t. I just knew he wasn’t going anywhere.

"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert

by Still Blue on Jul 1, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Him going anywhere isn't what I'm worried about

A holdout on the other hand worries me

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jul 1, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, Foster is smart to start thinking that way.

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by Rip Jersey on Jul 1, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

So far he says he's not going to consider a hold out

That could change but at least for now he’s playing by Mr. McNair’s “high character guys that don’t hold out will get paid, and others will be dealt” philosophy. I’m sure they’re building their financial plan around Foster but he may have to prove it 2 years in a row to get the new deal. After all, they still have Tate as bargaining leverage this season. If Foster held out and Tate blew it up, that would make it much easier to let Foster go if his demands were too high.

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by Hydroshock on Jul 3, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

No matter what, if they don't want to pay Foster it makes no sense to play for the minimum and potentially get hurt

He is wiser to sit out and negotiate with the highest bidder next season, because if he gets hurt, the minimum just doesn’t cut it

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by Rip Jersey on Jul 3, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Logic is correct

However, the class guy Foster is, and I feel he still has a chip on his shoulder – he will play

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by Barryfromtexas on Jul 3, 2011 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think class has anything to do with it

We’re talking about his future and it makes no sense to play for the minimum and risk injury.

/Arian, call me and we’ll straighten this thing out

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by Rip Jersey on Jul 3, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he frequents these threads

…We need to change that

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by Barryfromtexas on Jul 3, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

FS or SS doesn't matter in this system

Both guys need to be good at multiple things

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by AllenOU on Jul 1, 2011 10:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Reply fail?

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jul 1, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

First reply fail ever for me.

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by AllenOU on Jul 1, 2011 1:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The more I think about it, with all the CBs on the roster, I don't think we'll go after one at all

There’s 6 CBs on the roster right now (Kareem, Allen, McCain, McManis, Harris, & Carmichael), so with all the other players we have to re-sign, Safety seems like the obvious position where they’ll target a free agent to sign. I would not be surprised if they go after Michael Huff instead of targeting another CB

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jul 1, 2011 11:21 AM CDT reply actions  

That's assuming

McManis and/or McCain are going to be kept.

Although I agree safety may be the first target for the secondary and is the bigger hole right now.

No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.

by Ethan Matz on Jul 1, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

McManis is a second year player, he'll be around

Also Wade & Vance like what they see in McCain & say his problems can be fixed with proper coaching, so he’ll be around. The only way I see them signing another CB is if they move Jason Allen to FS, and it’s been said that’s not happening

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jul 1, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am not sure about all the financial side

But I believe the Texans are in as good of shape as at least 20 other teams and better off than4 or 5 of them, just from “headline” players that have been signed.

They will try to go after some big name players – and I do believe Leinart could possibly be trade bait – which may mean not that big of a deal on salaries and even free agents.

Then again we may be twiddling our thumbs waiting for the season for quite a while – I hope not – but the possibility exists.

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by Barryfromtexas on Jul 1, 2011 11:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Using Leinart as trade bait would require the Texans to resign him first

That’s not usually wise

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jul 1, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I don't see that happening either

I think Leinart walks

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by Hydroshock on Jul 1, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unless they can work out some kind of sign and trade deal

That gives players and teams an opportunity to pick each other. Leinart doesn’t owe that to the Texans, but it might work out for all.

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by Rip Jersey on Jul 1, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sign & trades don't work in the NFL

The team that trades a player away is still on the hook for paying signing bonuses

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jul 2, 2011 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Regardless of the investment, a sign & trade isn't wise in the NFL

In the NBA they do it because they have to match money figures, so they sign a player to what he’s worth, then they trade for players so they don’t let the player just leave them empty handed. They have no financial obligations to that player once he’s been traded. In the NFL however, when you trade a player, you have to play them their signing bonus, & any agent is going to make sure his client is going to get what he’s worth from any contract he signs, even if they know a trade is coming. The player could be assured that the team he’s getting traded to is gonna give him a new contract, but his agent is gonna try to get whatever money he can, which is why sign & trades aren’t done in the NFL

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jul 2, 2011 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Leinart was tendered as a Restricted Free Agent for an original pick

When a new CBA is put into place and Leinart has not signed his tender, then he is tradeable. Not technically a sign and trade, correct, but it is a trade based on rules that were in place before and will likely still be in place with the new CBA. When the new CBA goes into effect, QBs will be the highest priority and if another team thinks Leinart is worth it, he becomes valuable to the Texans.

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by Rip Jersey on Jul 3, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

When the new CBA is in place, he's not bound by that tender since he has 4 years in the NFL

He’ll be a unrestricted free agent

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jul 3, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the most

Matt Leinart coverage since his inception as a 3rd string QB for the Texans

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by Barryfromtexas on Jul 3, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

No we won't, he's a unrestricted free agent as soon as a new CBA is done

His tender goes away, as well as Jacoby Jones & Rashad Butler. They’ll be free to sign with whoever they want & we get nothing back

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jul 3, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really? I disagree.

I think the rules that were in effect before the lockout will stay in effect for this free agent season. The timing of the rules involving free agency, if they do not change, for Unrestricted Free Agents states that the team has until June 1 to sign the player. After June 1, the player has until July 22 to sign with another team. After July 22, the player can only sign with his Prior club. July 22 is quickly coming. Regardless of the future rules of who is a Restricted and who is an Unrestricted Free Agent, I believe they will keep the current rules in effect, for the simple reason that time is running out and that is what the teams were operating at prior to the lockout. So, I say he will remain a RFA this FA season.

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by Rip Jersey on Jul 4, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

micheal huff?

what about oakland’s soon to be free agent safety?? the guy has speed ta give, would be a great compliment to GQ!! also could be pretty cheap….this possibly leads to a lower end depth/veteran corner for leadership and guidance

by fbstar2003 on Jul 1, 2011 11:23 AM CDT reply actions  

I like it

I have been :“banging the table” for him since he was drafted.

by TEXANSNUTT on Jul 1, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

He may be the first guy we target

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jul 1, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

And donkeys may fly out of my butt....

Just saying that it may happen.

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Jul 1, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

and, wouldn't be the first time....

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by Rip Jersey on Jul 1, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heee-haw!!! What's that smell?

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by DilloTex on Jul 1, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here we go.....

can’t help but feel like certain comments were thrown in my direction. But other than that this was a great piece. Regardless of what people might think I am not super happy about Smith, just didnt like the Ahman Green/ Marcus Coeman thing making the orginization look so bad in the media. But….I would love to see Namndi here. History suggests we wouldnt have gotten or who knows even tried to get him. I woud like to at least see them get someone to play CB with some skills. At least get some brownie points for trying. Make the opposing teams realize it’s new guys so that shit from last year has to stop. We desperately need a veteran safety. It is just as retarted to try to go into this season with the S spot the way it is as it was to do it with our CB’s last year. I’m probly aone here but I would go for Weddle and Chromartie…they have both played in Wade’s system and with the shortened off season to prepare it can ony help.

by TEXANSNUTT on Jul 1, 2011 11:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Drayton Florence could get a call.

3 years with Wade in SD (the most time any FA CB has played under Wade I believe). Gerald from Dallas as others have mentioned is also a strong possibly. Maybe Donte Whitner from the Bills is a target at safety as well. He’s a pretty good tackler and is decent in pass coverage.

I know we have a lot of CB’s on the roster right now but we will probably see some trades or cuts. Guys like Steve Slaton I think are on their way out.

No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.

by Ethan Matz on Jul 1, 2011 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

They can have him, but what could we get in return from them?

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jul 1, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mid to late round draft pick.

And a little more cap space.

No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.

by Ethan Matz on Jul 1, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I knew they played in his system…I just think those 2 suck.lol

by TEXANSNUTT on Jul 1, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

We could always bring back Bernard Pollard

He’s like a Buick, a Big Ugly Indestructible Carr (Brady, Bradkowski, & Welker) Killer

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jul 1, 2011 12:04 PM CDT reply actions  

No thanks

Wade’s system doesn’t call for a prototypical “in the box” strong safety, and that’s exactly what Pollard is. I feel sorry for the guy because he could’ve been HUGE had he played in the mid to late 90’s, when the demand for them was high. Unfortunately it’s a predominately pass oriented league right now so both safeties have to be able to cover.

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by Hydroshock on Jul 1, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ain't that what we just drafted in Shiloh Keo?

Bring him back, let him compete for a starting spot. At the very least you have a monster on special teams

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jul 1, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Shiloh is supposed to have better cover skills

Besides, I think he’s meant to be our all purpose guy and ST gunner. He can and will do anything they ask him to.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Jul 1, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, after what I heard on the radio today, he's definitely not coming back here

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jul 2, 2011 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

It kinda sucks

On one hand I really liked Pollard as a typical box SS, but that was when we were in a 4-3. He obviously didn’t have a great year by any means but I don’t hang that all on him because he still walked away with another100+ tackle season.

But in the 3-4 there’s just no real spot for him. The extra LB plays the run in most of those situations so he would be expected to play a lot more coverage, which he blows at.

Sorry Pollard. I was a fan when you were here but it’s simple business. Good luck wherever you land, and PLEASE don’t ever knock one of our guys out.

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by Hydroshock on Jul 3, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would.....

but only use him on obvious run downs…..crazy thought but maybe OLB on obvious pass plays when we are gonna rush Mario play BP on the other side to take out the TE.

by TEXANSNUTT on Jul 1, 2011 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey how up to date is that salary info in that link?

It looks like it’s based on the 2009 team. Guy like Dunta Robison and J.Reeves are still being calculated into the overall salary. Not the 2010 team.

No matter how bad it gets,I will believe.It's the only thing I have left for the Texans.

by Ethan Matz on Jul 1, 2011 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

probably not very

I couldn’t find anything more current though.

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by Still Blue on Jul 1, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some of these contracts count against the salary cap....

even after they’ve left the team. It all depends on how the contract was worded as far as I know.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Jul 1, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

My expectations are very low.

I think we’ll get GS, but Smith doesn’t have what it takes to reel in a top tier FA like Joseph.

I think we’ll make an offer to Scrabble, but I doubt he’ll accept it.

I expect us to have GQ and GS at the safety spots, while K-Jax and Jason Allen will start at corner.

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Jul 1, 2011 12:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Have to agree here..

And isnt it funny how expectations and absolutes start to change shape as reality comes into play? I wont freak out if your scenario plays out although I would prefer Weddle or Huff if thats the direction.

Also, Id like to add that I truly believe that given the possibilty of a starting oppurtunity and a good coaching staff, I am looking for BIG things from Brandon Harris sooner than later..

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by theSpaceCityKid on Jul 1, 2011 2:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Harris is likely to be the nickel this year.

Nickel is where he played at his best at college. He can also play on the outside, but nickel is his strength.

I expect him to be our #2 CB next year.

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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Jul 1, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are the coaches even allowed to speak about anyone not on their roster??

If not, I don’t know how “clear” Kubes has made it about re-signing those guys. Sure, he made a comment, but just because he can’t talk about other guys, doesn’t mean Jacoby and Rashad are being picked over them. These are the only ones he CAN talk about, so why shit on their heads and say, “nah, fuck them.. we don’t want ’em back because they suck.” It’s still a political game, and Kubes has to make it seems like he cares about everyone, even if he doesn’t.

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by beefy on Jul 1, 2011 1:16 PM CDT reply actions  

good point

"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert

by Still Blue on Jul 1, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

So at CB

We have Allen, Jackson, McCain, McManus, Harris, and roc. That’s 6. Plus molden possibly. Even though they are young, there is a TON of talent there.
I’d focus on signing one of the better safeties. Weddle would be good, and if it wasn’t for Huffs poor work ethic ( best year was the contract year BY FAR ) I’d be ok with him

I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go fuck himself

by AllenOU on Jul 1, 2011 1:41 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I'm with on this.

Let the corners duke it out. Focus on over the top help. With are supposedly great pass rush next year the corners should be fine. I’m worried about TEs though. Because the way our D is built now the fishhooks are wide open all day. It’s an easy quick route that gets results. We need a safety that can cover those and deep.(I’m assuming in zone the Safety will also be covering Mario and other blitzing LBs zone.) please correct me if I’m wrong.

Plus we have enough corners that if one fails we can plug another in(yea I know not wise)
Now how many safeties do we OFFICIALY have, 3? How many are for sure starter material? 1. We need a safety more then corner but just a depth prospective.

Now with experience we have one safety who has played in the NFL..for one year. GQ played corner so he’s sorta a rookie right now.
We have Jason Allen(5 years), Kareem Jackson(1 year), Brice McCain(2years), and Sherrick McManis(1 year). That’s four corners with experience.
I’d love to have a more veteran corner but I think Jason Allen will be an all star this year, he just needed motivation(being cut). He’s our veteran presence, and cheap at that.

Now who’s the veteran safety? Troy Nolan….that’s more scary to me. Then Jason Allen being the veteran corner.

Houston Texans:
1st Round: J.J. Watt (NT)
2nd Round: Ras-I Dowling/Brandon Harris (CB)
3rd Round: Mark Herzlich (ILB)
4th Round: Shiloh Keo (S)
5th Round: Chris Carter (OLB)
6th Round: Alex Henery (P/K)
7th Round: Stephen Burton (WR)

by CCBach on Jul 1, 2011 2:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Michael Huff

he did go to college at Texas…he’s probably hoping like crazy to jump on a flight to the H.

by flowda on Jul 1, 2011 1:45 PM CDT reply actions  

He did...

Which is about the only reason anyone around here has a rock-hard chubby for bringing him here. Talent and effectiveness be damned… the guy wore an orange eunich on his hat!

Bacon tastes good... Pork chops taste good.

by beefy on Jul 1, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah he did Solid last season

but before that i thought he was a bust.

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

by Joe25 on Jul 1, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ya.

I think Warren Sapp was publicly criticizing Huff for his lack of work ethic. Maybe he has a change of heart or something if he was to come here. Kinda risky.

by flowda on Jul 1, 2011 3:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Sapp, the next Charles Barkley

I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.

by Rip Jersey on Jul 1, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's more affordable than Scrabble

That’s the major argument

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid

by The Night Owl on Jul 2, 2011 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Joseph

I think we can rebuild our secondary around a young talented Vet like him.

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by Joe25 on Jul 1, 2011 4:49 PM CDT reply actions  

For the contract that each one will get

I’d rather have joseph for 7 years than a 30 year old

I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go fuck himself

by AllenOU on Jul 1, 2011 6:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

All of the sudden

Nnamdi is now known as “a 30 year old”

LOL

My name is Barry - I am from Texas

by Barryfromtexas on Jul 1, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd give him 60 mil for 3 years

I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go fuck himself

by AllenOU on Jul 1, 2011 7:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'd give him $60M for 4 years

and a $3M bonus if the Texans win the AFC championship

and another $7M bonus if the Texans win the Superbowl

(assuming he plays at least 10 scheduled season games, and all post-season games)

That’s $15M a year, with the potential for another $10M in championship bonus money each year for four years.

He could hall in $100M over four years, in theory!

by MeMongo on Jul 1, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I had $60M to give him like you guys

I’d keep my $60 million and retire. Screw you Nnamdi, I’m going home

by JBal on Jul 1, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Aubrayo Franklin?

Did I hear correctly that he’ll be a free agent too? He’s a good NT on a 3-4 defense… with so little talk about him, he might come cheap. Not to say that other positions (CB and S) shouldn’t be priorities, but imagine what our front seven would look like:
DE- Smith, Watt
NT – Franklin
OLB – Williams and Barwin/Reed
ILB – Cushing and Ryans

Might make the secondary look better too…

by liono on Jul 5, 2011 12:34 AM CDT reply actions  

G. Sensabough???

Has anyone else watched Gerald Sensabough play for the past two years? Even under Wade’s guidance & system the guy was awful. I would rather play who we have rather than pick this guy up as a solution to any voids at the safety position. Geeezzz…

by Blitzman46 on Jul 5, 2011 8:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Why not have jason allen and Quin at saftey spots?

Then getting Nnamdi would not be a bad thing. If we looking to save money to get Nnamdi then these guys should be let go, Jarvis green, brian russell, steve slaton, and Moulden.

by southpaw70 on Jul 5, 2011 11:22 AM CDT reply actions  

ha ha ain't that 2009 -2010 salary cap numbers ?

I don’t know who makes what but I do know that Schaub’s 17 mill will go down ,same with A.Smith ‘s contract so that’s going to come down from the 123 millon of 2009-2010 lol what was 2010-2011 ?

by tha money on Jul 7, 2011 6:36 PM CDT reply actions  

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