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Houston Texans Depth Chart Battle: The Game Is Afoot, Kareem Jackson

Kareem Jackson, you had better come to play or else.

Houston Texans head coach Gary Kubiak didn't say this exact quote to the Houston media after Tuesday's practice, but he also didn't not say it either.

Per Nick Scurfield's Twitter, Kubiak gave some praise to Jason Allen, the forgotten man in the cornerback mix. Kubiak said "there's absolutely no doubt" that Allen, who was a mid-season free agency pick up from the Miami Dolphins, could push for a starting spot opposite Johnathan Joseph. He's not the only one who thinks that either.

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Chron.com and thesidelineview.com's Lance Zierlein shares this opinion in his blog post about Tuesday's practice noting Allen's ball skills. CBSRapidReports reports rapidly that Allen ran with the first team in Tuesday's workouts and had a pair of interceptions as well.

As if losing a starting spot could get worse, Kubiak made note that fellow sophomore Sherrick McManis, the even more forgotten man after being picked in the fifth round last year, is pushing for more playing time, potentially at Jackson's expense.

Even with new defensive coordinator Wade Phillips holding the defensive power, I still have a hard time thinking Kubiak would pull the plug on Jackson. For years, we have seen Kubiak show loyalty to his guys and not make the necessary move. Heck, we saw it last year with Eugene Wilson, who continued to play even after Troy Nolan outplayed him while he was out with an injury.

And yet...Kubiak saying things like this through the media is already a bit out of character. We've never seen the Houston head coach motivate or speak through the media. He's an in-house guy who, at most, uses the depth chart during training camp to poke and prod a guy.

In Jackson's defense, multiple camp tweeters have noted that he has looked better than the weeble-wobble 2010 rookie version, but that's not saying much - especially if Kubiak's opting to praise other guys and saying they're pushing for his spot. Has Kubiak learned to get rid of the kid gloves when dealing with an underperforming player or does this move stem more from him feeling some heat on his seat to produce a winner? Better yet, will Jackson step up and respond to the pressure, or will fans continue to cry for Jason Allen and Brandon Harris? That's why there is the poll and comments, dear reader, but allow me to get the opinionated ball rolling here.

After nine seasons ranging from bad to mediocre, it is win-now time in Houston. It is why fans have moved past being happy for football's return to The Space City and are clamoring for winning moves. It is why you have seen the front office change how they do business over the past few months. If someone is performing well and gives you a better chance to shore up a potential hole, make the move regardless of the investment in another player. I vote for Jason Allen, at this time, because he gives your Houston Texans the best chance to win.

Granted, nothing has to be solved until September 11th and we have four preseason games to judge this battle, but Jason Allen is currently leading the race in my eyes. Sorry, Kareem, but maybe it would be beneficial to you in the long run to take a step back, catch a deep breath, slide into one of the slot roles, and "re-learn" your way up the ladder again. I trust he has the talent, but maybe he needs to put it together in a role that doesn't come with the pressure of being a starter. Vote, comment, and let your voices be heard, BRBers.

Poll
Who starts opposite Johnathan Joseph?
Kareem Jackson
190 votes
Jason Allen
739 votes
Brandon Harris
155 votes
Sherrick McManis
11 votes
Brice Mc--haha, I can't even type that out.
18 votes
Other
10 votes

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KJ has legit competition....

That is good for a player who struggled like he did. He should be better for it.

GO TEXANS!!!!

Our time will come...

by Texanmaniac on Aug 10, 2011 6:25 AM CDT reply actions  

As someone that has followed both guys a bit more than average between college loyalties or having played with them in high school; if Jason beats out Kareem, either someone has stepped up and shown something he has never shown in the league, or someone has regressed from last year. Count me among the skeptical when it comes to Allen starting over Jackson. But we shall see.

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by otisnixon'sparty on Aug 10, 2011 6:32 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm with you on the Jason Allen thing.

I’m not sure there is any room for Kareem Jackson to regress. By that I mean, if he gets any worse than he was last year he may literally collapse into himself and form a big black hole of suck that could potentially swallow up the entire state of Texas.

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by Synchysi on Aug 10, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

LMAO

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by Hydroshock on Aug 10, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

If he forms into a black hole of suck

he could potentially become our best CB just stick him on the field and all the balls just get sucked right in.

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by Schlauton on Aug 10, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Regress was the wrong thought. If you take what many people would think of as an expected progression from Kareem not optimistic just expected. If he can even get 3/4 of the way to that, he starts. Jason has had a lot of trials tribulations and just bad luck, but he has never shown himself to be starting quality, and as long as he has been in the league, why think he ever will. Kareem has the ability, it’s time he put it all together.

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by otisnixon'sparty on Aug 10, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

Brandon Harris is legit.

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by MDC on Aug 10, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

We’re going to be talking about him fro years to come. He has what you look for in a CB except the size.

by Tony Ung on Aug 10, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which is not necessarily the end of the world.

After all, Johnathan Joseph’s only 5’8" and he’s one of the best corners in the league.

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by UprootedTexan on Aug 10, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joseph?

Nah. Thinking of Josh Wilson, perhaps?

by Nashmeister on Aug 10, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah Jo Jo is 5'11"

He’s probably thinking Wilson.

by Tony Ung on Aug 10, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh. Thought I read he was 5'8" somewhere.

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by UprootedTexan on Aug 10, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

And from The U.^

^ – See MDC’s Theory of The U Swagger.

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by TexansDC on Aug 10, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Well Darryl Sharpton has been looking good so the U swagger theory looks legit. LOL

by Tony Ung on Aug 10, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a theory that I've been working on for years

and it’s a super-rare instance when it lets me down. I have a corollary about all else being equal, pick the Nigerian, which is generally solid. Though not in one particular case that I won’t mention here.

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by MDC on Aug 10, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

This wouldn't be a certain Nebraska cornerback you're thinking of, would it?

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by UprootedTexan on Aug 10, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

No no...

I still think he’ll be fine.

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by MDC on Aug 10, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe we can start on the Wisconsin theory

especially if JJ produces in the regular season like he is in TC. Haha

by Tony Ung on Aug 10, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

TE Badger Theory

Anyone who use to be a TE and then plays at Wisconsin will be awesome at w/e position he eventually plays. LOL

by Tony Ung on Aug 10, 2011 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely

Harris looks very sharp in and out of his breaks. From what I’ve seen he plays very close to his man and puts himself in position to make plays on the ball.

I agree, Allen starts at #2 with Harris at #3. Then Harris will eventually play himself into that spot.

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by Hydroshock on Aug 10, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Most Deffinitely...

I am all hyped up on the draft picks we got this year… MegaWatt, and NoFlyZone are the two I want to see on the Texans for the majority of their careers.

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by Taco Joe on Aug 10, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

After nine seasons ranging from bad to mediocre, it is win-now time in Houston.

This…along with what you alluded to about Kubiak feeling like he needs to be more aggressive and less wait and see with his personnel decisions because his job is starting to depend on it. The honeymoon is over. It’s time make the hard decisions that make the marriage work.

Spurs/Texans/Horns...everyone else to the back of the bus.

by benefactor on Aug 10, 2011 7:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Bah

Block quote fail.

Spurs/Texans/Horns...everyone else to the back of the bus.

by benefactor on Aug 10, 2011 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's tricky stuff.

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by UprootedTexan on Aug 10, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing when I read that line

Kubiak has shown tendencies in the past to use the media to motivate a select few players (Steve Slaton, Jacoby Jones) but for the most part he normally regurgitates his usual stuff. But now that the hot seat is on I think he’s going to be coaching with a sense of urgency this season.

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by Hydroshock on Aug 10, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have no doubt in my mind that Allen beats out K-Jax

Some people have said he’s been moved around too much to ever focus only on cornerback and that all he needs is to focus completely on the position. That seems to be what’s happening.

I really think that this year Kubiak will play whoever is the best at the position. I don’t see him having any loyalty to Kareem. He certainly hasn’t seemed to show any to him yet…

by WhiskeyR on Aug 10, 2011 8:34 AM CDT reply actions  

I voted for Allen, because I really think we need a completely new look in the secondary this year

But I have a bad feeling Kubes will remain loyal to K-Jax, especially if it’s even a remotely close race.

by JP-Houston on Aug 10, 2011 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

I wouldn't bet on that loyalty

The decision will be Wade’s to make and Kubiak will sign off on whatever he says. He cannot afford to let loyalty get in the way because his job depends on wins now more than ever.

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by Hydroshock on Aug 10, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't know why Kubiak would be loyal to Kareem.

Didn’t have a problem cutting 1st round pick Amobi Okoye.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Aug 10, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Look how long they gave Amobi before cutting him

I know Gary’s neck is really on the line this year, so it SHOULD be different, but I’ll need to see something from him before I’m convinced that it really WILL be different.

by JP-Houston on Aug 10, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

3 years and he actually had a nice rookie season.

Besides this is the first time we’ve had a DC on this team since Kubiak took over. He’s going to defer to Wade on the defensive decisions.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Aug 10, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Im going with brandon harris, because he is teh awesome

I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go F*** himself. @THEREALALLENOU on twitter

by AllenOU on Aug 10, 2011 10:01 AM CDT reply actions  

We feel the same way

But we don’t want to throw another rookie in there to have a meltdown…we changed the defense from the battle red carpet to the 3-4, this year were trying to win. Maybe next year or in 2 years we’ll have k-jax if he’s any good and trade Jason Allen or just cut jax but were not done with him yet. Hey it’s wade here, give me a chance with Jackson b4 y’all throw him back under the bus.

by SMITHILLIAK on Aug 10, 2011 11:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think Jason Allen may win the start for week 1.

But I’m not sure he holds it for the whole season. He’s has nice ball skills but he struggles in coverage a lot and is labeled a bust for a reason.

Maybe he’ll step up and live up to that 1st round pick but I highly doubt he’s anything more than a placeholder for the team this year as they try to get Brandon and Kareem more experience..

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Aug 10, 2011 10:09 AM CDT reply actions  

^^ Totally agree

The real battle is about who will replace him, and that is between Harris and KJ

by BleachBum on Aug 10, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's between Harris and Harris

I don’t see Jackson out playing Allen this season unless he makes a quantum leap forward at some point. It’s not impossible but not likely.

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by Hydroshock on Aug 10, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm the opposite.

I believe KarJax will start week 1 but as soon as he shows the same kind of play that he showed most of last year, then he will become a non-starter or at least a sort of platoon player. I just think the Texans organization and even Wade Phillips will want this major draft investment to get as much playing time as possible as long as it isn’t costing us games.

Personally I’d like to see KarJax, Harris, and Allen all rotating plays. That way they would each get about 1/3 of the playing time and unless you made it the same rotation all the time, it could potentially keep our opponents off-balance on that side of the field as they would not know which CB would be in on each given play.

by Mikus318 on Aug 10, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jason Allen to start the Season

by the end It will be Brandon

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by Joe25 on Aug 10, 2011 10:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Not bad even if Leinart and Allen are busts.

Trying to resurrect their careers here.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Aug 10, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not convinced they are busts yet though.

Allen, like most corners, needed a couple of years to get up to NFL speed. He didn’t fit the Miami defensive scheme well, and is now rising fast in the camp battle for us.

Leinart was a very immature party animal, and wasn’t treated well by his former AZ coach. He’s been humbled and has rehabbed under Kubiak. I think he’ll surprise folks if he plays any games, which we hope Schaub stays healthy and isn’t necessary.

The thing that stands out from the list I posted of players heading into their 6th season, is that 5 to 7 years is the real peak of an NFL career for most folks where they balance experience with physical ability. Our team is well balanced from the 2006 class, with a majority coming from early in the draft, and they should be the pillars of our foundation on defense and offense this year. Interesting season coming!

by MeMongo on Aug 10, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Re: Leinart

Best case scenario. Schaub stays healthy and Leinart and Yates continue to improve behind him. Yates becomes a viable #2 and we trade Leinart next year for a mid round pick.

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by Hydroshock on Aug 10, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

We win all games.

and bench Schaub week 17 allowing Leinart to play. He plays well but we still lose the game which is unfortunate for the Colts whom after going 9-7 were relying on our victory for a wildcard slot…. And we get sweet revenge on those evil bastards (I’m still bitter about 09 season).

by CJ3m on Aug 10, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

so am i...

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by Taco Joe on Aug 10, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he was just outperformed by Miami's other CB's.

He just said in an interview that our defense is a lot like what the Dolphins had so he feel more comfortable with this scheme than that garbage we were running last season.

I’ll wait until I see him and the other CB’s in real games to really judge though. These TC reports are nice but it’s the preseason games that are going to be the deciding factor.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Aug 10, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Leinart

Will be a good quarter back… He got soo much attention in college and his first year, then realized shit that he was able to get away with in college aint gonna fly in the NFL. I think Kubes has straightened him out and is putting him on a path to succeed in the NFL. and then when he goes on to another team he can give the RED BIRDS a giant Middle Finger and say thanks to Houston

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by Taco Joe on Aug 10, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was just thinking the same thing.

We’ve corned 2006, just like Morey has cornered 2009.

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by Xiane on Aug 11, 2011 4:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not yet

We still need to steal Devin Hester from the Bears

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by The Night Owl on Aug 11, 2011 6:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I for one have no idea how they could've missed this bad on K-Jax

He was supposed to be the “safe, most NFL-ready, not-overwhelmingly-talented-but-solid-NFL-player” 20th pick. I know its just his second year but now you’ve got COACH saying other 2nd year guys, veterans and ROOKIES alike are pushin him.

It can’t be lack of talent or athleticism, for a 20th overall pick??

Lets just hope the problem is that he needs longer spikes to keep from falling down every play

by leacheatsbabies on Aug 10, 2011 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't know of any rookies pushing for the #2 spot.

Sounds like Allen and maybe McManis are in the best spot for Kareem position.

Although Kareem should not have been a starter last year because I don’t care where you come from CB’s don’t just go to the NFL start and play “solid”. Obviously Frank Bush had no idea what he was doing trying to insert Kareem as a day 1 starter thinking he’d perform as well as a veteran.

A rare exception might be a guy like Revis but he had a much better front 7 when he was drafted by the Jets and had an average year.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Aug 10, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

people are talking above about Harris pushing for the #2 spot

As for me, I don’t know if I’m comfortable with another rookie corner starting (Harris), but since we have a real coach I at least have some faith that the best players will be starting. I diidn’t have that at all in the past.

by JBal on Aug 10, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not really high on rookies on the corners either.

But I hadn’t heard anything from the coaches that might suggest Harris is in contention (as of right now) for the #2 spot.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Aug 10, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

my statement was that Jason Allen

would be our #2 and Harris would steal the spot during the season.

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by Taco Joe on Aug 10, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

i wouldnt call it a miss yet

Sometimes it just takes a player a while to “get it”. Look at Babin, bust here, bust in seattle, pro bowler in methopotamia. Not sayin KJ WON’T be a bust or a star, but its too early to wash our hands of him.

by BricAM on Aug 10, 2011 10:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Pre-Season

This is what pre-season is for…seeing who came to camp ready to play. Jackson has competition which is awesome because we had nothing last year. Coach Kub has done things very professionally and I know that is why the players love him. Coach Kub is learning the art of managing and motivating players from the top. This is the Texans & Coach Kub’s Year! Otherwise we will see another coach and new team next year but I like what we have going. Also, this article favors Allen so it’s a no brainier to vote for Allen over Jackson based on this summary. Go Texans!

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by Detlef on Aug 10, 2011 11:29 AM CDT reply actions  

So far after watching training camp, I would say Jackson is probably going to end up at nickel.

Allen is really playing his heart out and flat outbattling Jackson.

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by UprootedTexan on Aug 10, 2011 12:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Fixed
Allen is really playing his heart out and flat

outbattlin’

Jackson.

Thank God for football!

by BattleRedHusker on Aug 10, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

As many games as KJ lost for us last year ya'll are very forgiving.

Jason Allen has made a lot of good plays but is very inconsistent, Brandon Harris has had his struggles in TC but I could still see him winning the nickelback. I actually got a vid of his 1st int the other day http://youtu.be/6TQGsy9wASs check it out it’s a awesome int.
But is anybody watching Sherrick McManis, this is our #2 cb, he has consistent tight coverage on every receiver he covers. He impresses me the most imo.

by TexanDynasty on Aug 10, 2011 12:41 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I like what I've seen from McManis.

But I don’t think he’s ready to start this year. Still doesn’t display great ball skills. But you’re right; he consistently stays with his receiver, and he sheds blocks well to put himself in position on outside runs and screen passes. Methinks next year when Jason Allen is gone, he’ll get a chance to fight Harris for that #2 spot, and worst case scenario slide into the slot.

by Nashmeister on Aug 10, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Allen was a 1st round pick at #16.

He also has 4 years of solid NFL experience. Everyone talks about how it takes 3 years to develop into a NFL corner. Well I think Allen is there. I think the dolphins cut him lose too soon. I think we have a 1st round talent that has put in the time, and has put the pieces together.

This is similar to us cutting K-JAC in two years, then him stepping it up a notch and earning that 1st round draft position with his next team. At any rate, I am fucking overjoyed our biggest concern is the #2 corner back.

I recall the feeling 5 years ago when the concern was- OL,DL, running back, quarterback, Wide receiver depth, 2 starting linebackers, entire secondary….etc.

Mr. Smith, and Texans FO. You guys have done a solid job of building this team. It might be 1-2 years behind schedule. But I will take behind schedule as opposed to gross incompetence and a inability to even put together a " schedule "

by b4theproffit on Aug 10, 2011 3:40 PM CDT reply actions  

i never knew Allen was a 1st round pick

damn miami had Vontae Davis, Sean Smith & Jason Allen? lol maybe thats why Allen really couldn’t showcase his skills

i just want the coaches to play the best 11 on the field at all times…

by MghtyPtrck on Aug 10, 2011 6:28 PM CDT reply actions  

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