Texans Links: Kubiak Announces Who'll Be Returning Kicks For The Texans
by Tim on Aug 24, 2011 9:35 PM CDT
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Those are some wise words from Wade Phillips. Feel free to cite them to anyone who's claiming the Mario Williams-To-OLB move (or "MariOLB," as I call it) is already a failure.
Other quick news and links after the jump, friends.
-Gary Kubiak says Jacoby Jones will "definitely" be the punt returner for your Houston Texans. Danieal Manning will be your kick returner. In related news, Trindon Holliday and Quintin Demps might want to re-read their leases to see how much of their respective security deposits are refundable.
-That same story says DeMeco Ryans missed practice again. Still, no need to worry yet.
-Kubes says Derrick Ward will be cleared by the medical staff to return to action by Saturday night. No need to play him, though, right? Ward's making this team. The only real question is whether the Texans will keep four (4) RBs; if so, who will that fourth RB be?
-Danieal Manning says "[Brice] McCain is great." As I don't have any additional context, I'll let you decide what he precisely he believes "[Brice] McCain is great" at.
-Training camp officially ended on Monday. The Texans are on their in-season practice schedule now.
-Peter King talks with Arian Foster. For the record, Arian won't be too broken up if you don't take him first overall in your fantasy draft.
If you've got any Texans links of your own, kindly disclose them in the Comments.
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my body is ready
I am going to put on my rose-colored glasses and say that Manning was calling McCain just that, “great.” Lettucehope that the suckitude of last year’s DBs was mostly, if not wholly, on coaching.
"We're goin with what we got"
It took this team a decade to get a real NFL safety
and they are going to risk him in a KR role? Seriously?!!
to think I actually thought we’d be bleach free this season….
I know right...
I will be holding breath every KR, If we ever come out of the endzone. Hes got to be better then slaton though
by TR1CK on Aug 24, 2011 9:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What about Tate?
He is most likely the 3rd string RB why not let him try running some kicks back?
by Biggity B on Aug 24, 2011 10:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I hadn't thought of that
I would like to see what he could do
by TR1CK on Aug 25, 2011 6:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
let's put that into context though
He had a better group of 10 blockers from the Bears in front of him
He wasn’t the starter at Safety most of that time and made the most of his assignment
I am not taking anything away from his personal talent, as he did show good skill. But now he’s our best Safety and shouldn’t be risked for a role that usually only means the difference of plus or minus ten to fifteen yards for most NFL teams and a rare house return (he’s only had one in his career). With our offense, I’d rather not risk our best Safety with a KR. Hopefully most kicks are out of the endzone and we start at the 20, but really let’s just get someone on 2nd team back there with good hands and not blow up our new secondary unit.
On the other hand...
Manning is one of the better kick returners in the game. With kick-offs now from the 35, maybe this will compel more teams to have their kicker boot it through the uprights instead of allow Manning a shot at running it back.
I’d rather throw someone non-vital back there and take my chances with this offense driving the length of the field after every kick-off though.
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There won't be much for kick returns
But every time you put a player on the field there is risk. On other hand, we have a player who is an impact player and every time he’s on the field he can make an impact. I don’t think a coach can really go into a season trying to “protect” his players from injury by not putting them in place to make an impact.
Especially with how bad outr special teams are.
I think the Texans could possibly go an entire season without ever having to return a kickoff
Just catch it and down it. So, I would agree. No need for Danieal Manning to be on the field for a kickoff.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
good point, but also returning a ball is a far greater risk with the speed at which the other team is coming
for the kill. We don’t have enough depth at Safety to be painting a vulnerable target on him in this role, but what the hell….it’s only Kubiak’s job on the line this year.
Oh and I like Kubiak and hope this is the year for the Texans, and I’m not in any way saying “play it safe” because that over conservative approach has resulted in many losses too. But there is a difference between being aggressive and being stupid with team resources.
I disagree, respectfully
You put your playmakers in a position to make plays. If Manning gives us the best chance to get a quick 6 or cut the field in half, you play him. No doubt, its a risk, but so is playing safety. This is about winning and putting your team in the best position to win. I remember this guy who was a shutdown corner for the Falcons, Niners, and Cowboys. He was very valuable to any secondary he suited up for as a cornerback, but he returned punts his entire career as well. You know why? ’Cus he was good at it and he gave his team a better chance of winning.
"There's two kinds of coaches, them that's fired and them that's gonna be fired." ~ Bum Phillips
by H-town Fanatic on Aug 25, 2011 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
And I want to PERSONALLY thank you for not uttering his name... a rec for you.
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His NFL Sunday Ticket Commercials are funny.
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by H-town Fanatic on Aug 25, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry Dillo. I was skeered to verbalize the character he portrays for fear of the PC police.
Need some more tortillas…
"Then as that bitch karma reasserted herself, the trolls wandered off to eat their own boogers and peep through the keyhole at their sisters again and the level of discourse here improved accordingly." by DilloTex on Aug 25, 2011
He has missed time
Nothing major I don’t think. Why risk it. With our offense, take it at the 20 and go to work
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by AllenOU on Aug 24, 2011 10:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Because if we stall out, the field position advantage goes to the other team.
and sometimes we stall out.
Usually we stall when Kubiak decides that the very effective running game should be curbed
for three passing downs for teh Schaub to under throw his targets and then we punt.
we dont stall out because of kick returns
our return game was awful last year, but the offense didnt suffer top bad because of it.
let mccain or maehl return kicks, not the ONLY real safety we have EVER had
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
McCain would be a great return guy with that speed
just need to teach him how to avoid tacklers, but I like the idea!
I meant our offense.
You don’t just give up on trying to return kicks.
This worrying about injury would be quite silly if a coach were saying it.
Oh well let's have Andre Johnson return kicks then
If we are not worried about injury to a key player in the starting roster.
That's ridiculous.
I almost always agree with your comments on here. In fact, you’re one of my favorite commenters. But seriously? So we limit what our players can contribute to this team because we’re scared of potential injuries? That’s just ridiculous. We may as well not let him drive himself to the stadium, for fear of an accident. Lets put him on a liquid diet too, so he doesn’t choke.
The point is, Kubiak is going to want to use his best players to the best of their abilities. Every single player in the game is at risk of injury. Treating them like babies and sheltering them from perceived risks is just ridiculous.
As for Andre, I’d be just as worried about him getting injured playing WR. So by your logic, we should just not play him at all?
by WhiskeyR on Aug 25, 2011 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know, if it's the playoffs or Super Bowl and we are getting the ball kicked to us, down by 6 with 2 minutes to go?
Line up in the end zone, AJ!
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
As long as he's practiced catching a punt, I'm all over it.
But to think we’d stick Manning back there situationally as opposed to as a regular participant on Special Teams is ludicrious. I know you didn’t imply that… just seem to follow as a logical extension of the situational returner.
"Then as that bitch karma reasserted herself, the trolls wandered off to eat their own boogers and peep through the keyhole at their sisters again and the level of discourse here improved accordingly." by DilloTex on Aug 25, 2011
Surprisingly, I'm not as concerned about Manning returning kicks as I probably should be.
Since it seems like all kicks now result in touchbacks, he won’t put himself at risk nearly as much as he might in other seasons.
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Plus, there's something cathartic about returning kicks
especially if you just got beat for a TD. Hopefully that fire might get us a return TD or 2 this season. I’m not too worried about it either, as I expect more touchbacks. As much as we all seem to hate the new kickoff spot, the whole point was to prevent guys from getting injured, which should happen (knock on wood).
How many Biletnikoffs does he have? NOT TWO!
Was too far to huck a beer at a Stro’s player as per bone’s request. Jess (girlfriend) said I was too far, I said challenge accepted, a security guard said guess again.-BD34
Based on "what have you done lately"
I would take OB1 over Slaton. Bikeriding during practice just doesn’t do it for me….
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I will say this about Slaton
If he can get healthy, he is the player on the Texans most likely to get cut and picked up by another team, on my list.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
that's fine
Let him fumble for someone else.
Or there is the returning a kick to your own 1 yd line and stepping out of bounds that other teams may fine useful.:-)
You cannot imagine the immensity of f**k I do not give.
by CowboyH8ter on Aug 24, 2011 10:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Shoulda been traded as soon as trades were allowed.
No one, not even Kubiak, thought Slaton was a part of the plans. Should have gotten tickets to lego land or a box of donuts in return for him. Something… anything…
I hear Arizona’s in need of another running back that fumbles alot; they just traded their’s away.
2011 Crystal Ball
Dorin Dickerson coming out party
Damn you, Peyton Manning. You fucked me more times than I can remember, but now you've crossed the line when you fucked me in fantasy. REDRUM, Peyton Manning... REDRUM.
by BRBUSAFTexan on Aug 24, 2011 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Whupps.
Didn’t read your post and just wrote a similar thing. Mah bad. Props go to you.
I think it's nearly impossible to trade Slaton
People act like the NFL is a flea market. you don’t just snap your fingers and have a trade.
Teams would just wait for the Texans to release him.
Just like how Chicago waited out on Okoye. They weren’t going to sacrifice any of their pieces for a piece that the Texans didn’t want.
Mario Williams will have 2 sacks and 6 tackles against the 49ers
Cardinals just lost Ryan Matthews for the year.
With Kolb and Fitz, I’d imagine they’d love a RB who can pick up the blitz and catch screen passes. It’d be nice to squeeze something out of them.
by Nashmeister on Aug 25, 2011 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I remember when he was scared he'd be a bust for US
Sure was nice of him to watch out for our interests.
First, it's Mathews with 1 T
And he plays for the chargers so when he said they had lost them forever, they never had him. it’s Ryan williams they lost to injury.
by fgp on Aug 25, 2011 10:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Right you are, sir.
Thanks for the correction. And thanks for not being snide about it, too!
by Nashmeister on Aug 25, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd say the thing that Brice is good at is missing tackles.
Or just pulling an Antonio Cromartie.
Sucks that he’s going to make this team.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
Any better options?
2011 Crystal Ball
Dorin Dickerson coming out party
Damn you, Peyton Manning. You fucked me more times than I can remember, but now you've crossed the line when you fucked me in fantasy. REDRUM, Peyton Manning... REDRUM.
by BRBUSAFTexan on Aug 24, 2011 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Reggie Wayne is not happy with the Colts signing Colins.
Some quotes from him:
“We don’t even know him, we ain’t vanilla, man, we ain’t no simple offense,” wide receiver Reggie Wayne said. “So for him to come in here and be the starter, I don’t see it. I think that’s a step back.”
“Who says Kerry’s going to be the starter?” Wayne said. "Just because we bring him in doesn’t mean he’s the starter. He’s got to learn too, right? Unless they gave him a playbook months ago, he’s got to learn, too.
“I don’t care who you are, I mean I’m not going to let anyone just come in here and just push someone (like Painter) aside like you’re that dog now, you know what I mean?” Wayne added.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
Don't know what he's bitching about
but if he doesn’t have Peyton, then he does have a vanilla offense. That team needs someone who can analyze defenses and a vet signing like Collins can do just that.
As much as someone wants to give credit to the coordinators, every one knows who the real coordinator for that team is.
2011 Crystal Ball
Dorin Dickerson coming out party
Damn you, Peyton Manning. You fucked me more times than I can remember, but now you've crossed the line when you fucked me in fantasy. REDRUM, Peyton Manning... REDRUM.
by BRBUSAFTexan on Aug 24, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a few colt fan friends here in az
don’t ask me why there is a colts fan in cowboy/raider/cardinal land? Both of them are from this part of the world too. Anyways they are both stating that without p8un their o sucks and the texans are likely to take the afc south. I can’t say I disagree fully. Everyone in the world knows w/o p8un the colts are the bengals. If it was Brady, then it would be different. David carr could lok awesome in NE.
"Taco Joe - the beacon of optimism" TexansDC
"Great, you've doomed us all!" - UprootedTexan
God blessed Texas, but he has forsaken the Texans
nay good sir
methinks you go too far
David carr could lok awesome in NE.
And Keith-- darn it, change your name! It's not scary, and I'm embarassed to say it. Boris, Try that. Keith, you know, OH, watch out for KEITH!
by Chris Rosenberger on Aug 25, 2011 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions
did you see him
behind NY line? lol
"Taco Joe - the beacon of optimism" TexansDC
"Great, you've doomed us all!" - UprootedTexan
God blessed Texas, but he has forsaken the Texans
Yup, one internet hyperbole too far
"And I’m sure [Kareem Jackson] would have a wonderful career as a professional interpretive dancer, with all that flapping his arms and falling down."
- tehGrindCrusher
"Suck it, Jim Tressel, you filthy, cheating, unfashionable piece of monkey scrotum."
- MDC
Your friends are right
The Colts with Collins are no better than the BESFs were with with him last year.
Wayne is complaining because he like Painter
Just read the article where the quote comes from. It explains it.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I don't know what to think
I know Painter is not exactly spectacular. But, we don’t see him in practice. You can make the point that he takes most of the snaps in practice, so he should be the logical choice for the games. Collins coming in, didn’t look spectacular with the Titans last season and pretty much gave the game up. Okay. I convinced myself. Painter is the guy.
I didn't do anything wrong!.... and, I won't do it again.
I said that in jest
since I think nothing would help the Texans ease into their new 3-4 than starting the first regular season game against a guy who has completed 28.6% of his career passes.
Is Reggie Wayne
a thug? Those quotes make him sound pretty dumb. “We ain’t vanilla” “we ain’t no simple offense” “I mean I’m not going to let anyone just come in here and just push someone aside like you’re that dog now, you know what I mean?”
No, actually Reggie, I have no idea what you are talking about. I do agree though that the painter dog should not be pushed aside and should definitely start week 1….
by Da babyfacedassassin Meco on Aug 25, 2011 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison have BOTH...
…benefited from someone’s advice that “It’s better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak right up and remove all doubt.”
I always thought that Harrison was a class act until the stories started filtering out about his antics revolving around neighborhood shootings post-retirement.
"And I’m sure [Kareem Jackson] would have a wonderful career as a professional interpretive dancer, with all that flapping his arms and falling down."
- tehGrindCrusher
"Suck it, Jim Tressel, you filthy, cheating, unfashionable piece of monkey scrotum."
- MDC
Especially since technically their offense is pretty vanilla
They don’t run very many different plays
They just have a mastermind QB in p8n.
Mario Williams will have 4 sacks and 1 int by Game 4 of the regular season.
by Barryfromtexas on Aug 25, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Aww man
I saw the word “Links” and thought this might be about sausage…
by SubCrim on Aug 24, 2011 11:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Odds are the only time you'll see sausauge on this blog is if some one decides to post 'dream team' back-up QB's favorite party picture.
And that’s a literal sausauge fest I never, and I mean never, want to see again.
So after
Trindon steps out of the back of the endzone to down some vodka, he’ll sign with the Colts?
my Z key can't take another free agent flurry
I'd like to try him at RB for grins
2011 Crystal Ball
Dorin Dickerson coming out party
Damn you, Peyton Manning. You fucked me more times than I can remember, but now you've crossed the line when you fucked me in fantasy. REDRUM, Peyton Manning... REDRUM.
by BRBUSAFTexan on Aug 25, 2011 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
prolly look sumthin like this
" >www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO9cg0Vg6Bw
Im looking for divine and a lttle intervention
And birds dont fly without my permission
Im prolly in the sky, flyin with the fishes
Or maybe in the ocean, swimmin with the pigeons
See my world is different, like Dwayne Wayne
And if you want problem Bit#h, i want the same thang
by F-BombTheJets on Aug 25, 2011 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
this
Im looking for divine and a lttle intervention
And birds dont fly without my permission
Im prolly in the sky, flyin with the fishes
Or maybe in the ocean, swimmin with the pigeons
See my world is different, like Dwayne Wayne
And if you want problem Bit#h, i want the same thang
by F-BombTheJets on Aug 25, 2011 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions
wtf
Im looking for divine and a lttle intervention
And birds dont fly without my permission
Im prolly in the sky, flyin with the fishes
Or maybe in the ocean, swimmin with the pigeons
See my world is different, like Dwayne Wayne
And if you want problem Bit#h, i want the same thang
by F-BombTheJets on Aug 25, 2011 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions
You can't put links in the subject bar of your post.
Putting them in the body should work better.
GET A SILK BAG FROM THE GRAVEYARD DUCK TO LIVE LONGER.
ISWYDT
"And I’m sure [Kareem Jackson] would have a wonderful career as a professional interpretive dancer, with all that flapping his arms and falling down."
- tehGrindCrusher
"Suck it, Jim Tressel, you filthy, cheating, unfashionable piece of monkey scrotum."
- MDC
I have never understood
people being angry at players because they didnt preform well on their FF team. I mean seriously, FF is just a way to get more involved in football. Arian is right don’t get mad at me because i didnt do well for your team. (but then again if arian is the make or break on your team maybe you should have been drafting other guys to help you out.
"Taco Joe - the beacon of optimism" TexansDC
"Great, you've doomed us all!" - UprootedTexan
God blessed Texas, but he has forsaken the Texans
I agree
But it was hilarious on The League where the guy confronted Antonio Gates in a hot tub at a spa about putting up 40 points against him and costing him a win. That was awesome.
if i recall the RB for philly awhile back stopped at the one yard line to run the clock out.
i think alot of fantasy owners were pissed about that.
so...
is trindon holliday actually gonna get cut? i thought the coaching staff was pretty high on him going into the offseason
He hasn't played in the preseason at all, I think,
And you can’t make the team if you don’t play, unless you’re injured and they put you on IR. I seriously doubt they do that again this year.
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Supreme Galactic Editor of Battle Red Onion.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now where are those pants at?!
Football is war by other means. - Carl von Clausewitz...sorta.
by UprootedTexan on Aug 25, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
That's Ryan Williams
Yeah he may be lost more than just a year. The injury is supposedly career threatening. Matthews plays for the Chargers.
Manning
half the reason I was so excited to get him was his KR skills. I’d be a dumb not to utilize him
If he gets knocked out for the season with an injury during a KR
and our secondary can’t stop the deep passes as a result, resulting in a non-playoff scenario, is that really worth it?
We could play what if all day
but the benefits of his talents far out weigh the risk, in my ever so humble opinion. Injuries on KO’s aren’t constantly happening, and with less kicks going to be returned I really don’t see him getting injured. we were shitty in starting field position last year.
I guess my thinking on this is
our offense is talented enough to get things done, and the defense is what needed to be fixed. I just can’t see the logic of putting the defense back at risk by having the new safety returning kicks where there is a statistically higher probability of injury for the return guy.
With a far better special teams blocking for him in Chicago, Manning still only got 1 TD out of 101 returns in 5 seasons. An extra ten to twenty yards avg for the few returns he may get in the new system isn’t going to make much difference for our offense. Him being knocked out for the season would be disaster for our defense that just got shored up and has zero depth at safety.
I think tht's a lot of people's thinking
Fact is though, our ST absolutely suck. We need to get better. Manning makes us better.
I mean… we could keep Schaub out because we’re scared of him getting hurt too, but he gives us the best chance to win.
You can’t predict injuries. You can’t be scared of them. If we were, we’d be babying OD’s knee, ’Dre’s shoulder, Mario’s shoulder, Schuab’s shoulder, we wouldn’t let Barwin use his ankle, we wouldn’t let DeMeco stand on two feet…
In their normal position is one thing
Being the known single target with the ball for incoming special team players with their hair on fire at full speed, unblocked, over thirty yards to gain velocity and nothing to lose in a collision is entirely different.
It just isn’t prudent risk management, especially at one of our thinest roles.
2 questions
1.) when is the last time one of our returners got injured? This is a serious question I don’t know the answer to.
2.) Could you seriously imagine Kubiak putting a lesser returner in, because he’s afraid of injury? I just don’t see him not playing a normal healthy player in a normal role (as our best returner) because of the POSSIBILITY on injury. You may not agree with it and think its risky, but any player can get injured on any play. Take DeMeco for instance, who wasn’t touched. And who was it a couple years ago who broke his leg, untouched and during practice? You cant predict these things.
I just don’t see Kubiak being overly cautious on this and I think everyone here just has preseason jitters.
Yeah, I think you're dead on about the preseason jitters...
With regard to Kubiak “holding back” anything… I’m pretty sure that in spite of all of the previous hand waving and hair-pulling and garment-rending that has gone on in previous preseasons about it being a “playoffs or bust” year for Kubiak, he knows that THIS season really is it. I don’t see him “saving” any player for any reason… He must win now.
"Let’s leave all the football talk to knowledgeable experts who have played the game, like Matt Millen and Emmitt Smith."
- tehGrindCrusher
Now there's a little insight I hadn't considered as it applies to the subject at hand.
I was leaning toward sticking Jacoby back there and letting him fair catch em. I have a pretty good feeling the Texans are going to get the high kicks to induce inside the twenty returns unless there is a real threat back there. WIth Kubiak’s term at the helm in the balance, he’d be nutz not to put Manning back there to at least threaten. I guess it boils down to how much confidence they have in the balance of the return teams.
"Then as that bitch karma reasserted herself, the trolls wandered off to eat their own boogers and peep through the keyhole at their sisters again and the level of discourse here improved accordingly." by DilloTex on Aug 25, 2011
I agree with you on principle, I really do.
And I’d be all for Manning returning if we were deeper at his position with one or two more experienced safeties. I think that’s what has me more risk averse about the KR role than anything. In fact, If Foster was good at returning I wouldn’t be concerned at all since we are deeper at RB. Same thing with our receiver or TE legion.
Here’s to hoping you and Kubiak are right and Murphy (or Durga) doesn’t wreck the buffet at the Harrow club.
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