I'm Not Saying Arian Foster Is The Best, Just That He's Better Than Anyone Else
Aaaaahhhh!!! AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!! Arian Foster's hurt AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
Ok, I'm done.
If I were a national writer, I'd write about how losing the league's leading rusher (despite the fact that he's not "lost") would critically impact the Texans' offense. I would do this despite the fact that I'd probably already written Foster off after Vonta Leach left. Then I would sit back and watch my clicks pile up in lieu of watching football.
Since I'm not a national writer, though, I feel that I have a little more liberty to apply common sense to the situation. Word around the campfire is that Foster's injury is simply a re-aggravation of his earlier injury and that he should be available for Week One, so rather than employ some good ol' fashioned fear mongering, I'd like to touch on a topic that's been bugging me ever since football returned. It may be a bit dated, but I didn't have the outlet until just now, so please indulge me.
With that said, I'm going to invite you to join me in a world where Arian Foster is healthy (yay!), Chris Johnson is playing (boo!), and women can't get enough Vega (because it's my make-believe world).
Why would I take you to a world which is half awesome, half disappointing, and half clearly make-believe (and where the rules of math are subject to my own personal whim)?
I take you there simply to make a point.
See, once football returned, national talking heads started talking about the upcoming season, and naturally a good percentage of that talk revolved around who would be best running back in the NFL during the upcoming season. The discussion primarily revolved around four players: Arian Foster, Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson, and Jamaal Charles.
The reason I got so fired up was that many of these heads projected Peterson to be the best, followed by Johnson, Foster, and then Charles. My immediate reaction was that these "analysts" must have accidentally deleted the 2010 season from their mental DVRs, but I forced myself to calm down and look at the stats before drawing my own conclusion. Then I got mad.
Let's start with a very generic look at these backs. Without question, Adrian Peterson has the most proven and consistent history. He has four seasons under his belt with 1,300 yards (technically 1,298 last year, but close enough). His 2008 season was spectacular, and while he's been unable to replicate that, his last two seasons have been very solid and remarkably similar.
Arian Foster had a breakout season last year where he led the league in rushing yardage, touchdowns and yards from scrimmage. While many say he came out of nowhere, he did provide hints of his potential in late 2009.
Chris Johnson had an unbelievable 2009, and, not surprisingly, was unable to replicate it in 2010. Still on the surface, it appears that he had a very solid season in 2010 that was, looking at the traditional stats, oddly similar to Peterson's.
Jamaal Charles is the real wildcard here. He's had some absolutely stunning stats the last few years, but has yet to be the feature guy in that backfield for reasons that even Kubiak would find curious.
Now let's break out of the box a little bit. Pro-Football-Reference has a stat called Approximate Value (AV) which is similar to Win Shares in baseball, and essentially an attempt at developing a method to compare players. Truth be told, I'm not a huge fan of approximate value because by its very nature, it makes it difficult to draw conclusions. Its intended purpose is to be able to compare the seasons and careers of any two players from any era at any position. Obviously, though, when comparing Ronnie Lott's 1991 season to Andre Johnson's 2009 season, a huge number of assumptions must be made and therefore the ability to draw precise conclusions is severely compromised.
Back to our analysis...career numbers can't be used here because longevity plays into that calculation, but last season, Arian Foster led these four backs with an AV of 20. In fact, he's the only one of the four to ever have a season with 20 (Chris Johnson's 2009 season was a 19). Now I'm not arguing that Foster's 2010 was better than CJ's 2009 (remember, it's approximate value), but it is damn impressive. Rounding up 2010, Peterson had a 10, CJ a 13, and Charles a 17.
Shifting to Football Outsiders, Foster, Peterson, Johnson, and Charles rank 2, 5, 31, and 1 respectively in DYAR, and 4, 7, 33, and 1 respectively in DVOA. My favorite thing about FO stats is that they attempt to account for the variation of the defenses played.
The first thing that jumped out at me here is that CJ was pretty overrated last year, and a closer look at his season shows why. His top games were against Oakland, Dallas, Washington, and Houston (wk 15) - not exactly the stalwarts of defensive football last year. He also got shut down by Pittsburgh, Denver, Houston (wk 12), Jacksonville (wk 13), and Indy (wk 17). Outside of Pittsburgh, that's not really that much of a stronger list than the former. We should really take pause before expecting a bounce back to 2009 form next year - even more so when you add in the contract situation.
The other thing that should stand out from the FO stats is that Jamaal Charles is really, really good. I mean, I knew he was good, but I didn't realize that he was "potentially best back in the NFL" good. More on that later.
Let's move on to an absolutely awesome site that I just recently discovered: advancednflstats.com. If you haven't checked it out, step away from this post for a second, grab your calculator and pocket protector, tape up the nose of your glasses, and head on over. I'll wait.
Ok, good.
This site works mostly around the premise of Win Probability, which is also similar to Win Shares in baseball, but done differently than Approximate Value. Essentially, the site calculates the probability of victory for each play based on various elements and what seems to be a pretty beastly regression analysis and then divvies that probability to players accordingly. It also has drawbacks, of course, like the fact that it uses league wide stats for calculations (i.e., it does not consider the strength of a team/opponent), but from what I've read so far, it seems like the approach which best employs a true academic statistical model.
Of our four running backs in question, Arian Foster leads the way ranking second in Win Probability Added (behind LeSean McCoy, who also leads the league in capital letters), first in Expected Points Added, tied for fourth in Win Probability Added per Game (Charles ranks second), and third in Expected Points Added per Play (Charles ranks second). Adrian Peterson falls in the 10-15 range for these stats, and Chris Johnson is much closer to the bottom of the rankings than the top.
That's enough stats for now. Let's draw some conclusions.
As I mentioned before, I was shocked at how often Jamaal Charles ranked near the top of the advanced statistics. A quicker look at his 2010 season showed that he was also remarkably consistent, and for some odd reason, only got more than 20 touches three times last season. That's right, three. Also, if you're looking for a CJ type drop-off this season, note that he had a similarly awesome second half in 2009 (and oddly had more touches per game) and actually improved on it.
Now if we take a quick look at the teams involved, and only taking into consideration what we know now, I am even more convinced that Foster tops the NFL depth chart. As is evident by their approach to the draft, and obvious to anyone that was subjected to the football enema that was the 2010 season, the Texans are content to ride their existing offense, while focusing on improving the defense (and early returns are promising). It is reasonable to expect, then, that the offensive production should be fairly similar. In other words, the only reason that anyone can really give for an expected drop off is that...um...he's never done it before. Everybody has to start somewhere. Furthermore, since the defense should get better, Foster should get more consistent touches - Kubiak notwithstanding.
If you attribute Chris Johnson's decline last season to the fact that defenses were able to focus on him more, then you should absolutely not expect a rebound this season. The coaching staff has been completely revamped, the best quarterback on the roster ranked 23 in Win Probability Added, 32 in DYAR and 35 in DVOA, and they have had no offseason to work on putting it together. It's probably a safe bet that defenses will still be keying in on CJ next season. And I would even make that argument had he participated in a full training camp.
Adrian Peterson is in a similar position, as the Vikings' starting quarterback in 2011 will either be a washed up Donovan McNabb or rookie Christian Ponder. Also, while still only 26, he is the oldest of this bunch, and running backs are most definitely not like a fine wine. I'm not suggesting he's on the decline, but I don't see anything to indicate that we should expect more than he produced last season - which, by the way was not bad, but not extraordinary.
Lastly, while I become more and more intrigued by Jamaal Charles, until the Chiefs realize that giving your best player the ball is sound football strategy, he cannot be reliably expected to produce elite numbers - and the Chiefs will continue to be the Chiefs. That's probably the only thing really holding Charles back from being discussed with the elite backs. He also doesn't score as many touchdowns, but that's pretty highly correlated with the lack of touches. Still, if the Chiefs were to designate him a feature back, Jamaal Charles could legitimately be the best running back in football, though the offseason addition of Le'Ron McClain won't help.
In the end, you can still argue that Foster has only done it once. I might also grant you the argument that he may lose touches to Ben Tate, and we can now add in concern about his hamstring. Still, the other players have at least equal, if not greater, cause for concern. Johnson is piling up roadblocks faster than he is rushing yards, Peterson's offense continues to regress, and Charles doesn't get consistent enough touches. Add that all up and I would still argue Foster clearly has the best opportunity to meet his 2011 potential and should be considered the best running back in the NFL.
The exciting part about all this is that your Houston Texans now employ the top running back and wide receiver in the league.
Now let's just pray he gets back on the field healthy and that CJ continues to hold out.
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Good write up Vega!
I really appreciate Foster’s running style. I hate to ever compare players, especially current to past players, but his patience to set up blocks and vision/reaction to cut back and slash a defense is very similar to Marcus Allen.
I hope he is left to heal up the hammy while Tate and Ward take reps (even in the first few games if necessary), and that he’s back at full health to run toward the championship this season!
The vision, decisiveness and quickness is just amazing to watch...
He reminds me of Dorsett but with an intellect and some social graces about him.
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I've made the Allen comparison for a while
Glad I’m not the only one to think that.
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Yes, out of all the comparisons I have seen, Marcus Allen may be the most accurate
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Pretty much seems right
I think of him as a Dickerson/Allen Hybrid
Mario Williams will have 4 sacks and 1 int by Game 4 of the regular season.
by Barryfromtexas on Aug 29, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
With some Roger Craig thrown in.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Aug 29, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
And a bit of Thurman Thomas thrown in there...
If he’s healthy he’ll be a perennial 2000 yards from scrimmage back…
Allen was finishing up with the Chiefs when I was growing up
so I wasnt aware of all his awards, holy damn. Just about everything worth getting in football.
Best thing is...
He came to USC as a DB and made the switch to running back.
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Nice... rec'd... but too much logic
Definite career-limiting move. But also definitely good news for us.
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"who also leads the league in capital letters"
Nice. Rec’d.
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by MDC on Aug 29, 2011 9:16 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Actually, I think I should change that based on my own post
Le’Ron McClain also has four caps, but I think he gets the apostrophe tie breaker.
by Vega on Aug 29, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting...
I feel like McClain is cheating somehow. Though I can’t explain why.
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The Irrational National Media Looking for Clicks
Yahoo! Sports would be a good example of the online national media. Can we agree on that? Let’s look at today’s NFL Headlines:
Kubiak optimistic on Foster for opener
NFL: No punishment for Titans WR Britt
Bucs CB Talib not suspended for arrest
Brees 15 of 23 for 189 as Saints roll
Browns WR Massaquoi has first practice
NFL security chief attends 49ers game
Steelers defense still needs some work
Lions confident after rout of Patriots
There are some real stories about sports there, but dominating their headlines are a lot of non-sports stories that are really just sports figure related that are sensational, therefore clickable. Britt, Talib, and NFL Security are soap opera clickable. I’m sure the media would like to take credit for the NFL Security story, because they likely think that if it wasn’t for them reporting the story, the NFL would just sweep this under the doormat and preserve the sanctity of the NFL.
So, looking for clicks?
We like to laugh at the BESFs and the Kenny Britt fiasco. So, of course we click on that. How can we help ourselves.
At least in the Kubiak comments on Foster there was no mention of The Foster Tweeting. Maybe they finally realized that Foster was scamming the media and they decided to let it go. But, the headlines that surrounded The Foster Tweeting over the weekend; that was a blatant attempt by the media to create a clickable story where there was none.
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I would love it if Foster duplicates his success from last season and dominates the league once more (we all know he can). However, I bet Charles leads the league in rushing yards this year. He was a close second to Foster last year with far fewer carries. If he gets the ball more, there’s a great chance it happens.
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by Stupendous Man on Aug 29, 2011 9:39 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Charles is excellent and very talented
The coach at KC has come under critcism for exactly that point, not giving Charles enough touches to lead the league. Charles has taken that situation in stride and understands that what Haley is trying to do is keep him fresh and productive over the long haul of the season and perhaps lengthening his career. It is a valid opinion though, with his rate of production and given more touches, he could lead the league.
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i might be one of the few who agrees with this strategy
The chiefs have lots of playmakers so there is no need to run charles into the ground. I could be wrong but I don’t think charles is big enough to take the pounding 20+ carries would put on his body. Its the same reason I would lilke to see foster and tate split carries.
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Aug 29, 2011 9:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm kind of torn on this
from a pure football perspective, that argument clearly makes sense, but if I were to evaluate running backs from an economic perspective, it’s almost worth looking at them as disposable commodities. Use the crap out of them, and then let them go before you have to pay them. Few backs are worth the investment these days and their shelf life is really limited.
I know that’s kind of an inhumane approach, but there may be value in it.
This may require more research
I can see the logic in giving Charles limited carries in order to keep him fresh late in games and keep the Chiefs’ running game balanced. But if I were a Chiefs fan, I would be irked at what could have been with Charles last year. There’s no gurantee that he would have kept up his blistering base with more carries, but who knows? It’ll be fun this season to watch him and Foster, the “new guard”, battle with Johnson and Peterson for supremacy.
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by Stupendous Man on Aug 29, 2011 10:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
*blistering pace
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by Stupendous Man on Aug 29, 2011 10:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That is IF Johnson even plays
He is pretty much destined to have no paycheck this year.
Mario Williams will have 4 sacks and 1 int by Game 4 of the regular season.
by Barryfromtexas on Aug 29, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Remember Larry Johnson?
Carried the ball a shit-ton of times for the Chiefs and then sucked the next year?
It’s always better to limit the number of touches as much as possible. The only known historical exception is Eric Dickerson. Seriously.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Aug 29, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
This has nothing to do with the post.
Just wondering if any of yall seen the steven jackson comerical?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6COC8CUkuM
Haha
That’s awesome. The dude who tries to tackle him but gets run over is actually my buddy’s nephew. He played D3 in upstate New York and said that this commercial was one of the hardest hits he’s taken.
i think he's my favorite running back in the game.
but the clay matthews commercial is freaking hilarious!!!
by Carter Liles on Aug 29, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Out of those 4 guys
Peterson has the easiest RUN D schedule BY FAR
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This article was too long...
All you needed to put was BECAUSE HE IS!!!!!
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Bears fan here... love Foster
even more now because of his twittering awesomeness…actually like alot about your team, miss daniel manning, love when andre johnson beat the shit out of cortland finnegan…hope you guys do well this year
by redwhiteandblack on Aug 29, 2011 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 9 recs
Whose this Cortland Finnegan?
We know a Cortland Innegan because ’Dre beat the F out of him. However Innegan and Finnegan share a likeness for a certain jersey shore actor
by nirvash on Aug 29, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Innegan has gained fame all over, now
Chicago, Indy…. you name it. He is a despised player because he brings his cheap shot game wherever he goes. AJ has brought a lot a fans to the Texans by beating the F out of him, LOL!
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Okoye has been great this Preseason
Easily the most explosive DT aside from Henry Melton on the roster, 3 sacks thus far in preseason. Why did you guys release him??
And it would be nice if we would pay Matt Forte… :(
by redwhiteandblack on Aug 29, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Because he's not very good at football.
by Nashmeister on Aug 29, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd, especially for this paragraph
“The thickheaded numbskull, who seemed incapable of forming complete thoughts before blurting out incredibly dumbass statements, also idiotically suggested the Giants might have a quarterback controversy, citing the fact that backup David Carr threw two touchdowns against a bunch of crappy scrubs who would consider themselves lucky as hell if they made the Bears’ practice squad.”
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by 5stringJeff on Aug 30, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Why did you guys release him??"
I blame Tim.
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by MDC on Aug 29, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
If Only I Had That Power...
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
Honest question:
If the pricetag for each was the same, would you have kept Cody or Okoye?
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In all seriousness, I don’t think Amobi was cut for financial reasons. Had Wade thought Okoye was a good fit in his scheme, he would have kept him. As such, I have to believe Wade determined that Shaun Cody was preferable to Amobi Okoye.
That, plus the fact that the Texans cut Amobi without even seeing him take a snap in training camp. That speaks volumes to me.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
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by DilloTex on Aug 29, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Because he hadn't hit puberty yet
Most likely cause Wade didn’t think he fit his system. I will like to see what he does with some real coaching
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by The Night Owl on Aug 29, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
lol I think even adding
a hypothetical beast mode okoye, there’s still a sizeable talent gap.
by redwhiteandblack on Aug 29, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
We had idiot coaches as defensive coordinators for the last four years or so.
Kid never stood a chance here.
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by UprootedTexan on Aug 29, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
^This
Also, too, Tim.
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by MDC on Aug 29, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
/laughing... detecting a theme here
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good to see that Amobi is doing well in his new home
Amazing what he can do when he has a good defensive coach (meaning this as more of an indictment of how “horribad” our former defensive coordinators have been). I don’t exactly understand why we didn’t keep him because I think that under Wade Phillips tutelage he could have done great things.
But I think BRB visitors used to get upset that Amobi wasn’t aggressive enough? I don’t know at all =). I’m just glad that he found a good home with y’all.
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by BattleRedFan on Aug 29, 2011 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Newbie Rec.
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by taylorrohrman on Aug 29, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Rule 80 rec
Mario Williams will have 4 sacks and 1 int by Game 4 of the regular season.
by Barryfromtexas on Aug 29, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Two more reasons I like your team...
Brad Maynard (aging but still effective) and Sherrick McManis. I go to NU and saw all the home games two years ago, dude can ball. Has he seen much action over the past year?
by redwhiteandblack on Aug 30, 2011 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He will this year.
He’s impressed coaches and will get time in the Nickel probably. He may also be returning kicks.
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by redwhiteandblack on Aug 31, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
your argument is invalid because
black peyton manning

by Toolshed1 on Aug 29, 2011 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 9 recs
LOL
They gave him earrings, now that’s racist.
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by taylorrohrman on Aug 29, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
L O L
It looks iike he’s covered in chocolate syrup lmao
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by BattleRedHusker on Aug 29, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
oh and that stud earring
is racist.
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by BattleRedHusker on Aug 29, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
holy cow...
gonna go post that on Peyton’s FB page if he has one…no I’m not, but now that I’ve planted the idea in someone’s head I won’t have to.
Damnit...
i want to rec this again…every time I see it I laugh…
Im no expert but
I cant stand the rep CJ has. He is very good at running the ball, but he can get absolutely shut down far too easily. He has zero ability to muscle the ball through, and the fact that he relies 1200% on his o-line….I wouldnt want to pay what CJ wants to make. if he had short yardage ability he would be a top playmaker. As it is hes barely a top back, imo.
I’m not a fan of Johnson, but it seems a bit disingenuous to me to say he’s barely a top back. He’s put up three straight excellent seasons, consistently. Foster has a lot more to prove than Johnson does.
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by Stupendous Man on Aug 29, 2011 12:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Foster obviously had an excellent season, but he still needs to show that he can perform at this level for consecutive seasons. I think he will, but its not impossible that he won’t.
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by Stupendous Man on Aug 29, 2011 12:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Either he can do it or he can't
He already proved he can perform at this level.
Consecutive seasons isn’t something he has to prove. If he stays healthy, there is no question he does what he needs to do. Consecutive seasons is only proof that he didn’t get injured. That isn’t proof that he is what he is.
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by Rip Jersey on Aug 29, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Him staying healthy ties in with him showing that he can be counted on to perform for several seasons. Nobody is questioning his talent.
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by Stupendous Man on Aug 29, 2011 1:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He has nothing to prove
He just needs durga to bless his body and keep him injury free. Anyone can get injured. This is a contact sport. Ask DeMeco Ryans if he can do it. Does he have to do it two more years in a row to prove anything? No, just do it this year and we’ll know he’s back. So, Does Arian Foster have to be voted to the Pro Bowl this year to prove he’s a Pro Bowl player? No, he was voted last year. We know he can do it. There’s nothing to prove here.
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by Rip Jersey on Aug 29, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hey, hey, hey!
None of the Texans will be playing in the Pro Bowl this year! They’ll be to busy getting ready to play the week after.
I agree
I can’t stand him, but he has been a top running back the past few seasons. But he is way to greedy and over-valuing himself with what he wants to be paid. And I hope they play it safe with Foster, and allow him to heal and have another monster season so that he can get the big payday that he deserves. He’s a class act and the Texans are so lucky to get what hopefully will be the second consecutive amazing season for practically nothing.
by RaY210 on Aug 29, 2011 1:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
...and a hell of a bongo player.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Aug 29, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
It pains me to say it
But the BESF are smart to not pay him for the memory of a 2,000 yard season.
One of the biggest things I learned while researching this was how big a step back he took last year.
Let’s keep the advanced stats out of this for a second and just look at it simply. What does a RB need to do to help his team: move the chains, keep the defense honest, be a threat to break one every now and then.
Johnson can do the second and third, but he’s just not consistent enough. He was held to under 60 yards rushing in 6 games last year. In five of those games, he was held to under 3 YPC. Hell, we held him to 5 yards and we were in the running for Worst. Defense. Ever.
Foster had three such games (2 under 2 YPC).
Johnson’s a highlight reel waiting to happen, but at least last year, he got shut down with more regularity.
agreed
He has the speed and agility to gash when the opportunity presents itself, but he does not create that opportunity.
To expand
Adrian Peterson can make the VAST majority of plays CJ makes, minus some of the 50+ yarders. What percentage of Peterson’s plays can CJ make? Peterson takes his yards with force, CJ takes what is given.
And this si all out of my ass
No evidence will be given to support it ;p
This is why I'm not convinced Jamaal Charles can continue his success as a feature back.
From what I’ve seen, he and CJ are similar backs. They’re both speed guys with about the same build that can’t really run with the power necessary to be a successful short-yardage back because of their size. Having a guy like Thomas Jones in Kansas City can hide these deficiencies better and keep Charles’ legs fresh, since he’s so reliant on his speed to be successful. I think CJ could benefit greatly from having a guy like that on his team.
Of course, I could be wrong. It’s been known to happen before. I just see a lot of similarities between CJ and Charles, and I think the Chiefs are handling Charles better than the Titans have handled CJ.
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If Barry Sanders only touched the ball 18 times a game...
and came in 5th in rushing in the NFL, I still don’t there would be any debate at all as to which RB was the best. Sanders gets #1 every time. I think it should apply with Charles as well. I’m glad Arian is getting the attention and therefore bringing attention to the Texans, but though I’ve only seen Charles play once….that guy was Sanders-esque. He’s the best RB in football without a doubt in my mind.
While I generally vote Sanders as well...
you can’t honestly think there’s no debate about who the best RB was, considering the existence of Jim Brown.
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I'm talking about in a given year...
But even still, Jim Brown or not, Sanders made my jaw drop every time he touched the ball…the guy was a snake slithering through slightly mobile rocks…bouncing around like a freagin jitterbug on crack…Brown was a different sort of back, and maybe he was the greatest, but Sanders is right there at the VERY least.
But my point being that during Sanders day should he have had a 1400 hard season and carried the ball 100+ fewer times than say, Emmitt Smith, and assuming that Smith was the #1 guy, there’s still no doubt in my mind that Sanders is heads and shoulders better than Smith (in that year).
Jim Brown averaged 20 rushes per game
His seasons were 12 or 14 games. In one 14 game season he totaled 1836 yards rushing. His career average was 104.3 yards per game.
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If Jim Brown had played 16 game seasons he would have averaged
1670 yards per season!
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And?
Comparing that to the Defenses that he faced at the time it’s really a tough comparison. I don’t care if in 2050 the NFL is filled with 7 footers with the agility of a freagin 5’2" gymnastics kid, Sanders would dominate in any Era. And the piece of dung retired early too! that bastard! How dare he retire before his knees are wasted…I hate him.
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Lmao...
I have to check myself…I just watched a Jim Brown youtube video of his playing days…and he really was born in the wrong era…he was so heads and shoulders above the rest that you get a very good feeling he would have been a stud even today…problem is everything seems slower…not sure if he would have been as successful, but in terms of all time greatness and domination, Jim Brown gets the nod all day long. Sanders can’t compete with him there…in terms of talent and skill, I think Barry is better though.
Ah, gotcha.
I read yours wrong.
I generally put Sanders 1 and Brown 1a, mainly because Sanders did all of his damage in a system that did nothing to help him (only had a fullback for two years, often went with no TE, etc.). Brown was a man among boys. To me, that makes Sanders’ production more impressive.
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And a poor O-Line as well..
From what I was told anyway…I never paid much attention to the o-line, my eyes were always on Sanders…and that was before DVR and we were too poor to own a VCR :D
Sanders' line was underrated.
But still not great, or even very good. Put him behind Emmitt’s line (even without Johnston) and there’s no record he doesn’t break.
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Hell
just give him a FB from day one. Look at what he did his two seasons running behind the immortal Corey Schlessigner.
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I have always said....
put Campbell behind that same line…..Earl was best known for YAC….and unfortunately that initial contact was behind the line of scrimmage about 90% of the time. Can you imagine what Earl would have done if the first one to touch him was a DB instead of a DL?
Just my $.02
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I guess that depends on what the definition of "is" is
I think that from a pure ability perspective, it would be hard to argue against Charles, but if he doesn’t get the opportunity, it’s hard to say he has the same impact on the game.
I can assure you that I’m the best lover in the universe, but my wife doesn’t allow me the opportunity to share it with the world, so I don’t have quite the impact of, say, Antonio Cromartie.
hahaha....
Right :P I’m just talking about pure skill. The “best” meaning simply what it is. Obviously he has to show it on the field, and he does, but I’m referring to a guy that is near the top, but not quite there. I’m just offering consideration for the guys that aren’t premier backs but WOULD be on any other team. And I think given the chance he would dominate the league statistically. Hence my assertion that he is the best.
Point taken
and that was exactly one of the conclusions that I drew with this. I think Charles has the chance to be the best, but he needs the chance.
And that's where we differ :D
I think he’s proven it, just not in the way people want. Leading the league in this or that. Ignoring that simple criteria, breaking everything down on equal footing, there really is no argument. It’s not fair to say that he would do as well as Arian given the same carries, but if you reduce Arian down to where Charles is I think the argument concludes at that point. Arian is the best feature back in the league. No doubt in my mind. But until Charles gets designated that role, I don’t think anyone can honestly say without a doubt in their mind that Foster is the best BACK in the league.
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I might be wrong
But I think CJ just flat out dosent want to practice or play any preseason games. I think by week one he will sign.
...and play the season for free?
If I’m not mistaken, the fines and penalties for not showing up are approaching or have exceeded his salary for the year…
I’m sure if I’m making that up that someone here will caress me with a bazooka shortly.
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I think he's one of the guys that can afford to sit some days out...
33,000 dollars a day right?…ok, maybe not…30 days would be a few McDonald’s employees salary short of a 10 million dollars…
Don't know... hence my fishing...
I heard the tail end of a conversation on NFL radio that made it sound more dire than that. From what I remember, his salary wasn’t $10mm in their discussion so maybe my wires are all crossed.
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$33,000 times 30 days
Is $990,000. IIRC, Johnson was supposed to make approx. $1.05 million this year. So if he reported to camp after 30 days he’d make around $51,000. Before taxes.
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Yeah, that sounds like what they were saying...
He’s kinda’ in an all-or-nothing situation now…
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And another matter...
I know folks are probably tired of reading my posts…but Foster really doesn’t have to prove anything. You don’t gain 2000 yards in a season by accident. The guys on the other side of the ball are always going to try to tackle the guy with the ball. If the guy with the ball runs past him, that’s called positive yardage. And if he keeps doing it game after game after came, that’s called consistency. He was leading the league from day 1 wasn’t he? So every week the leading rusher in the league was coming into town or vice versa. If a team isn’t prepared for a guy after watching his game footage, then they’re not doing their jobs. And if someone wants to sit here and tell me that teams weren’t preparing for Arian, and he just kinda slipped in the back door and surprised people, week after week after week, being the NFL’s leading rusher, then I suggest you’re full of doggy dump. :D He’s legit and if his stupid hamstring holds up he’ll prove it…again…
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Yeah I know man...
I’m not really talking about anyone here on BRB…I’m just blabbing…
All Bias Aside...
does the top 10 RB list in the NFL include Earl Campbell?
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by F-BombTheJets on Aug 29, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
It damn well better.....
in my book. That man was a flat out BEAST!!!! I never get tired of watching highlight reels of The Texas Rose at work.
Just my $.02
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WPA = Foster's a better player because the Texans have a bad defense
Putting aside the history between Burke and FO, a major problem I have with WPA is it tends to overrate good players on bad defenses. If Foster has good gains, then scores a touchdown, and the Texans defense then gives up a touchdown, it’s a tie game and Foster’s good performance breaks the tie and is really valuable. If this hypothetical Texans defense instead held the opponent scoreless and Foster did the exact same thing, WPA holds his otherwise identical contribution to be significantly less valuable. To me, that does not make sense.
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Kubiak is the playcaller offensively
This was said by Kubiak in one of his press conferences last year. I truly believe it’s holding the team back. Dennison and Schaub have input, but it’s Gary Kubiak that’s calling the plays
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by Brianlamb on Aug 30, 2011 9:27 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Okay, but I thought I saw Dennison making calls during timeouts this preseason
Just wondering, not doubting what you said, just wondering if things are changing at all, since last year.
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it may have
Like I said that was from last year. Has Dennison moved down from the press box? I know Kyle Shanahan was on the field and I think it helped Schaub.
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by Brianlamb on Aug 31, 2011 8:53 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Well I think Kubiak is a great playcaller, but I think Schaub being able to audible out on the fly would be better. It’s like the no. 2 WR argument; it’s a really good offense now, but with a few adjustments they could be an elite offense
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by Brianlamb on Aug 31, 2011 8:56 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Mmmm... I'm claiming elite for the OFFENSE now...
There is always room for improvement, but this offense is better than “good”.
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That’s why I said it’s “really good”. I think they can become elite if they can score more often. Often times last year they couldn’t get started in the first half or they couldn’t score in the closing half of the game. Schaub still makes mistakes in the redzone. I also don’t think the offense is at a point where they can go out and win a football game.
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by Brianlamb on Aug 31, 2011 2:33 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
"I also don’t think the offense is at a point where they can go out and win a football game"
Seriously?? If it weren’t for the offense we wouldn’t have won ANY games last season.
Also, how is Schaub making mistakes in the redzone an example of Kubiak holding the team back?
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I didn’t say that Schaub throwing INT’s in the redzone is Kubiak holding the team back. Schaub throwing INT’s is holding Schaub back and keeping the offense from being elite.
And yes, the offense was able to score points and win 6 games last year. However, in my opinion, I don’t think they were able to go out and win a game with the team on their shoulders such as say the Colts, Falcons, Packers, or Patriots could.
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by Brianlamb on Aug 31, 2011 3:16 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I get what you're saying
The offense is explosive but doesn’t dominate games start to finish, right? Instead they either get up early and hang on, or start sluggish and have to overcome a big deficit. That’s all true but I have a feeling that problem is going to be much improved this season.
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exactly
I think Bryant Johnson is a step up from Walter too. It should take some pressure off of AJ. The offense has look much much better this preseason, although you’re not seeing a bunch of blitz packages nor really great defenses. I’m also concerned with Rick Dennison. I think he’s a step down from Shanahan. All in all I see us better offensively, but unless we can take a few more steps forward, I see us in the same predicament we always are. 6-10, 7-9, 8-8. It seems like the Texans always find a way to lose a football game.
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by Brianlamb on Aug 31, 2011 9:35 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I would assume so.
There’s more swagger and confidence spewing from the offense compared to last year, and ultimately it ties in wih kubiak’s play-calling, which also seems to be more aggressive and less conservative. Maybe deep in the subconscious of Kub’s he knows this is the last chance he’ll get to keep his job…and understandably when your ass is on the line you tend to do things a little differently.
I think you did a great job on the write up
But I strongly disagree. I think you have to pass judgement on Jamaal Charles’ season last tear based on Charlie Weis as the offensive coordinator. He’s never been a run first guy.
Let me say beforehand that I don’t like using stats. I don’t think it gives a true outlook of what happened. Case in point would be the Texans offense. Statistically they were phenomenal. However, they often couldn’t score early or late, and were never able to go out and “win” a game. Even with Vonta, I still believe Arian’s numbers would be down this year. There’s a reason a sophomore slump occurs with some players, and in the case of Arian Foster, he’s going up against tougher teams and teams that have been able to study a full year of film on his tendencies.
While Chris Johnson had an off year last year, you have to attribute most of that to their quarterback situation. Rusty Smith is not an NFL caliber quarterback, and that showed last year. Hasselbeck or Locker will be able to move the ball well in Tennessee, and should open the run game back up.
I think the same can be said for Adrian Peterson and Minnesota. Brett Favre and Sidney Rice both missed time with injuries and they weren’t the same players they were in 2009. I think McNabb improves that team offensively as well, although they still need another threat at WR.
I don’t think it’s time to crown Arian Foster as the best NFL RB based on last year alone. He’s never really had to deal with an injury in the NFL, so it should be interesting to see what he can do dealing with the hamstring.
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by Brianlamb on Aug 30, 2011 9:25 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
Why is Foster being punished for a minor injury
but the others are getting a pass for more serious concerns?
For example, I think I was pretty generous in my love for Charles, but my point is that if he doesn’t get the carries, he can’t make the impact. A change of coordinators may or may not help, but it’s a big question mark. The team also went out and got Le’Ron McClain, so there are more people there to share the carries.
For Johnson, yes, I will grant you that some of his regression may be due to the QB situation last year, but I strongly disagree that it has improved. Hasselbeck ranked below Collins and Young in DVOA and DYAR, below Young in WPA (and only slightly better than Hasselbeck), and was not appreciably better in traditional stats. The entire coaching staff has changed, they had no offseason to work on it, and CJ has even missed all of camp. There is no single thing that points to an improvement (unless you think the rookie will suddenly make things all better).
As for Peterson, I disagree with you that McNabb will be better than Favre, and Rice is now gone. McNabb did rank higher than Favre in most stats, but that really says more about Favre’s performance than it does McNabb’s. Donovan is still in in the lower third of all starting quarterbacks in all stats. Their biggest offensive threat, Percy Harvin, regularly misses time because of migraines, so again, I’m not seeing how you can argue an appreciable improvement in the offense.
Yes Arian has an injury now, but I cannot agree that any of these other guys is in position to out perform him this year.
I’m not knocking Arian based on one injury. Although it is his first major injury since he’s been in the league and the fact that it’s come back quickly should be a cause for concern.
I was just simply saying that you can’t look too far into Charles’ lack of touches last year based on the fact he had an OC that didn’t want to run the ball.
Again, I’m not a stats guy because I think they’re misleading, but I agree with you on Chris Johnson. I think he misses regular season games based on the contract negotiations, not to mention QB issues. I think losing Fisher obviously hurts the Titans, but I think Munchak will be dedicated to a larger portion of the run game. I think that while Hasselbeck has nagging injury issues with his back, Jake Locker is the most NFL ready QB of the current draft class.
Like I said, Minnesota is still missing a threat at WR, but AP has been able to put up numbers his entire career. The biggest concern should be the offensive line, not McNabb.
I’m just saying that I don’t think you can legitimately put Arian Foster number 1, whether it be fantasy or real-life, especially after one year as a starting RB.
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