NFP: Texans Work Out Vernon Gholston, Among Others
Remember when Gholston was going to be Mario Williams, Jr.?
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Ugh.
Gholston is terrible. He has the same number of NFL sacks that I do.
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Are people going to freak out about this the way they did when we worked out Bhomar?
NFL teams work out street guys EVERY week. Yes, most of them aren’t any good. That is why they are unemployed at the moment. They are just doing their homework so if they get hammered by injuries at one position they have some idea which washed up/has been/never was they are going to sign to fill the roster hole.
Workouts this time of year mean nothing. Hell sometimes they mean less than nothing. Sometimes they probably are just doing an agent a favor so he looks like he’s trying to get his guy a job even though he has no chance of being signed.
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I need another double shot of something 90 proof
I got too much to think about
by papabear on Sep 21, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Oh, I know.
I don’t care that they are working him out. I just wanted to point out exactly HOW shitty Gholston turned out to be.
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by MDC on Sep 21, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I just endured the Bhomar freak out last week
When I had my “so what” reaction people were trying to convince me how terrible Bhomar was like I didn’t know and couldn’t understand why the Texans were wasting time. Um, maybe because they needed some slapdick QB to throw to the slapdick WR’s they were working out.
The ONLY time these workouts should get any attention is when there has been an injury or two and the team is looking to pick somebody up. Even then the guys working out that week might not be who the team signs because they have been doing their homework every week on available players.
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64 percent of all the world's statistics are made up right there on the spot
82.4 percent of people believe 'em whether they're accurate statistics or not
I don't know what you believe but I do know there's no doubt
I need another double shot of something 90 proof
I got too much to think about
by papabear on Sep 21, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
I think at least I was allowed
To freak out
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by AllenOU on Sep 21, 2011 10:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Why?
You still pissed at Bhomar for not selling you the car below invoice price?
A guy’s gotta make commissions, you know.
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by Shake on Sep 21, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's BOMAR
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He's from OU
I’m assuming that my way is correct, and his is not.
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by Shake on Sep 21, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
cuz fuck ou, that's why
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Sep 21, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ah slapdick
how I have missed thee
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by nolander on Sep 21, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Exactly...
…recs for EVERYBODY!!!
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by DilloTex on Sep 21, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But you never know.
Look at Babin. As much as it pains me, and that’s a lot, he’s turned out to be useful, I wouldn’t mind a bit of that luck heading our way.
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Andre has the same amount
of sacks that I do. therefore he is bad.
difference is andre chooses not to have sacks on his stat line
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Sep 21, 2011 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Somewhat disappointed to not see Pat Williams on that list.
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1 more try
Pat williams would be a significant uprade to the run support in the middle, he prolly wants more money than the Texans are willing to spend, he is the oldest defensive player in the NFL, if he could play 25 snaps a game, that would be 25 less worries about opponents running over the NT.
did I type that outloud? oops.
really? I hadn't heard that before
hopefully this gets mentioned 15 times a week going forward on BRB so I don’t ever forget that we should sing Pat Williams even though its probably not going to happen. :)
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by MDC on Sep 21, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
...wiiiider than a mile...
Hits Running Backs with style…
…each play…
How do you insert the musical note thingies? [thingie = technical term]
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by DilloTex on Sep 21, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I copied and pasted
from here: http://chexed.com/ComputerTips/asciicodes.php
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He actually COULD BE wider than a mile.
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well shit If you are going to do it in a song every time
I take back every complaint.
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As an OLB
is he an upgrade over Bulman?
Also, what’s been the knock on Gholston? I remember when he came out that he was a physical freak. Does he just not seem to know how to play football well (ie can be coached up) or does he just not seem to care enough (ie waste of time)?
Just hasn't played well. Rex Ryan is a very good defensive coach and they've given him several opportunities to succeed.
He’s moved from OLB to DE in a 3-4 and played DE in a 4-3 and still could not get anything positive. He has not produced and his first round draft position makes him a huge bust.
just wanna point out...
remember how bad Babin was for us at first?
OFFICIAL MARIO WILLIAMS 2011 SACK COUNT; (2)
True but Babin was on 6 teams before he broke out.
Gholston is still 4 behind.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
i know.
but UNLESS he is a guy with zero effort/brains/heart. then i would not be upset if he was brought in for rotation. THAT BEING SAID, i highly doubt hell be signed here
OFFICIAL MARIO WILLIAMS 2011 SACK COUNT; (2)
by Carter Liles on Sep 21, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It could be that he's finally woken up or whatever.
It could be he’ll always be bad. I trust the Texans to know from the workout if he’s worth a lottery ticket or not.
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Interesting we were working out defensive players.
I haven’t heard of any injuries along the front 7. Perhaps somebody is under performing.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
Bulman, most likely.
He looked lost on Sunday. Jamison didn’t impress, either.
by Nashmeister on Sep 21, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
see my comments above
mid-season workouts mean absolutely ZERO. They are nothing more than just in case
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64 percent of all the world's statistics are made up right there on the spot
82.4 percent of people believe 'em whether they're accurate statistics or not
I don't know what you believe but I do know there's no doubt
I need another double shot of something 90 proof
I got too much to think about
gholston has a huge up side
And people seem to be forgetting he’s been to the AFC Championship game two straight years.
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by Rip Jersey on Sep 21, 2011 11:42 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
And every back up qb for the super bowl winner has a ring
Doesn’t mean they did anything to earn it
by BricAM on Sep 21, 2011 11:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
And so did Aaron Maybin
And just like Maybin it turns out he’s just another pure athlete who’s not so good at football.
Gholston’s draft status is thanks in large part to combine hype. And it’s quite irrelevant that he was in the AFC championship game if he wasn’t anything more than a ST player who had nearly zero impact on the game.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Sep 21, 2011 12:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
You forgot the sarcasm font
The only reason he’s been to the AFC Championship game is because they let him ride on the plane.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
WORK OUT A NT!
HOW CAN YOU START SHAUN CODY OMGWTFBBQLOL!!!1111
Seriously, there has to be someone somewhere who can at least not get pushed 3-5 yards off the ball that can be platooned with Earl Mitchell.
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did you miss out on Nashy's Miami game analysis
I think, to categorize Cody like that is not fair.
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by Rip Jersey on Sep 21, 2011 11:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I mean
Remember that fateful play two seasons ago when Chris Myers was bitchslapped by Kris Jenkins? Well, now Myers is a respected cog in the Texans O-line. Am I right? Let’s understand that Cody is stepping into a new system with a new coordinator who is a respected teacher. Let’s give Cody. A fair shake! I’m serious, everyone! Let’s just calm this chit down! Give Cody a fair chance, man!
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by Rip Jersey on Sep 21, 2011 11:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
that's your opinion and you aren't Wade Phillips
You are just a blogger. You are welcome to your opinion here, of course and I welcome it. I enjoy the banter! I just don’t think Cody is as bad as he is being categorized. I’m not saying he is aces, either. Stopping the run is job number one for a NT. Nashy did a game study and posted it yesterday and determined there was plenty of blame to be spread around. Cody was not the sole cause and replacing him is not going to be the answer to this. Is there a better option out there? Is Mitchell a better option? Wade Phillips says they are both options, so that’s what he’s going with for now. Wade Phillips has better film resources than we have. I trust what he’s doing..
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by Rip Jersey on Sep 21, 2011 12:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
When?
Week one? Cody was better throughout 2010 and against Miami. Mitchell was better in preseason and a 15-sample size game when we were up by 34 at the half.
by Nashmeister on Sep 21, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
if we go by 2010 performances Kareem would be cut.
We haven’t seen the numbers on the Miami game but there was a post from 9/17 showing the differences between Mitchell and Cody on run plays while we were in 3-4.
What about 2008 and 2009?
Or even 2010? You know Cody’s rankings (PFF):
2011: 71 out of 82 (yeesh)
2010: 42 out of 77 (below average)
2009: 72 out of 86 (horrific)
2008: 65 out of 86 (super stinky)
At 28, Cody isn’t going to improve much, either. So which one is the outlier? His 2010 season? 2008, 2009, and 2011? Mitchell vs. Cody in a two game sample size this season?
I’m not saying you’re wrong that Cody should start or that jkcheng is wrong in wanting Mitchell. To me, the answer is neither. However, I will say I agree with what we’re doing with the personnel we’ve got, rotating them in and out and seeing if one of them can figure it out. It’s not a problem likely to be solved this year.
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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 21, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Out playing
This most be a lose term, from my observations. The NT play has been pretty average, to sub par on both players
Apparently, bleach has an act like an asshole effect.
Being Insane I would know, I am a Texans Fan.
Wade Aid pass it around, 3rd helping on the way.
by WreckNTexan on Sep 21, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw the PFF stuff
but I’ve also seen his performance for both games. I also recognize that he’s in his prime (28 years old) and largely ineffective.
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I'm inclined to believe that we should not read very much into this.
Most good employers are constantly trying to upgrade their personnel and build a database of potential employees should the need arise. This is nothing unusual.
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Yup
That said, anybody have a phone number for Curley Culp? Ray Childress?
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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 21, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I saw that Ray has a kid in high school who's a pretty good QB.
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How about we target Michael Strahan's little cousin when he declares for the draft
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by The Night Owl on Sep 21, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
is he actually related to strahan?
if so, take a look.
OFFICIAL MARIO WILLIAMS 2011 SACK COUNT; (2)
by Carter Liles on Sep 21, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
He is, & here's some game film from high school
http://www.prepticket.com/articles/detail/TX/LaMarc-Strahan%27s-Stock-Starting-to-Rise
He recently committed to Texas A&M after one year at Blinn College
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by The Night Owl on Sep 21, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
good GOD no.
He is not NEAR NFL fast, quick, or strong enough.
OFFICIAL MARIO WILLIAMS 2011 SACK COUNT; (2)
by Carter Liles on Sep 21, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
That was high school film of him...as a junior
I would expect he’s gotten a little faster, quicker, stronger since then.
(don’t know anything about him, just don’t think I can make a judgment on someone from how they looked their junior year of high school)
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64 percent of all the world's statistics are made up right there on the spot
82.4 percent of people believe 'em whether they're accurate statistics or not
I don't know what you believe but I do know there's no doubt
I need another double shot of something 90 proof
I got too much to think about
He's a JUCO sophmore now at Texas A&M
So he’s at least 2-3 years away from playing in the NFL. If we don’t have a NT by then, we should seriously be looking at him
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by The Night Owl on Sep 21, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
your right. it says 2008. and he was a junior.
i thought it was this year juco
OFFICIAL MARIO WILLIAMS 2011 SACK COUNT; (2)
by Carter Liles on Sep 21, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
take a look at him if he's any good
I could care less who he’s related too
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64 percent of all the world's statistics are made up right there on the spot
82.4 percent of people believe 'em whether they're accurate statistics or not
I don't know what you believe but I do know there's no doubt
I need another double shot of something 90 proof
I got too much to think about
I like him because not only did he go to Humble High, he weighs 365 pounds
That fact he’s Michael Strahan’s cousin is the icing on the cake
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by The Night Owl on Sep 21, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I would just like
At least one 315lb or more person brought in.
by jxjx on Sep 21, 2011 12:33 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I would much rather
Have a good pass rush/ pass defense than a good run defense. In a perfect world you would like both of course, but the NFL today is a pass oriented league, so if I had to choose one I would go with what we have. It would be nice to upgrade NT and our run D, but hopefully our offense will force other teams to pass more to keep up, which should limit our liabilty with the run.
I generally agree.
I’ll exchange some problems with the run to be able to stop the pass and pressure the QB. If it has to be one or the other that is.
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Yeah that's exactly what the Packers did last year with to cover their run D.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
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by HoustonTransplant on Sep 21, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
not quite
Bj raji is a big mean nasty NT
by ninjajew on Sep 21, 2011 2:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i haz ur footballz
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Sep 21, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
You never know.....
Just imagine how good Jacques Reeves could have been with our new defensive coaches ’alearnin him!
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I cant tell you if EM is any better the Cody but...
I can say I have seen Cody playing way too high, getting blown off the line far too often. Someone needs to tell him the LOWER man wins in a game of (push each other around).
I’m not sure that putting Watt in at NT and sliding Mario back down to DE with Reed stepping in wouldn’t be a bad option if teams really start to exploit our NT situation. Just a thought though, no need to throw a rope around my neck just yet…
by Its Gonna Happen on Sep 21, 2011 3:15 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I briefly had that same thought this morning.
I might try to write something on it in the next couple days.
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this
has been on my mind along with surgically connecting Cody and Mitchell and creating a three legged two headed one jersey wearing freak show, try and block that shit!
did I type that outloud? oops.
I almost feel bad thinking this...
Is Mario at OLB actually hurting this defense? Yes, Mario is a beast, but having a rush only linebacker lessens the versatiity of the defense. Would having Reed at OLB instead increase the overall effectivness? Right now offenses know for a fact that Williams is rushing. If you replace Williams with someone also capable of covering, that opens up the blitz to come from any one of the four linebackers. Thus making this defense more surprising and more dangerous.
Note, this is merely a guess as I am not as football smart as most people on here…not yet anyways.
by Its Gonna Happen on Sep 21, 2011 6:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Last year
Ware was targeted a whopping 11 times in coverage. I don’t think it’s an issue if he drops back occasionally, but it didn’t seem to impact Ware and the scheme in occupied Southern Oklahoma.
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Lol, I'll take your word for it then...
by Its Gonna Happen on Sep 21, 2011 6:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, too
Ware has 4 sacks, 1 QB Hit, and 5 QB Pressures, which is a 20 on my QBOuch! rating I totally made a last year or the year before (3 points for a sack, 2 for a hit, and 1 for a pressure).
Mario has 2 sacks, 2 hits, and 9 (9!!!) pressures for 19 points…AND a batted pass for a pick.
I think Mario is fitting in quite nicely :-)
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There's no question that Mario will do well
With Wade at the helm and with Marios freakish size and athletisism, he’ll be able to put up good numbers regardless. My thought was the defense as a whole might not be as effective with him at OLB because its more predictable.
Frankly its more of a question. Would having an OLB that is MORE well rounded (can cover as well as rush), be better for the defense, as any given linebacker can be used to rush while the others defend the pass.
by Its Gonna Happen on Sep 21, 2011 8:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Mario can cover
I am willing to bet he is our best cover line backer.
Watch when he drops back – he has the speed and skills to do so.
Mario Williams will have 4 sacks and 1 int by Game 4 of the regular season.
by Barryfromtexas on Sep 22, 2011 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
The guy is 6'7" with a huge wing span.
Even if he can’t cover, he should naturally be really good at being in the way.
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Here's to hoping he repeats his last performance vs. New Orleans this week.
Just one sack, but I still think it was the best game of his career. He harassed Brees all day long and must have flattened Reggie for no gain three times.
Mario is doing an excellent job at OLB.
And the scary part is that he’s still learning. Imagine 5-6 games under his belt…. I’m expecting beyond beastly numbers.
But
Mario is a LB, not a DE. It won’t work.
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Dam, I knew something was wrong...
And I tried so hard!
by Its Gonna Happen on Sep 21, 2011 3:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I am ok with them working him out.
Dont know if you guys notice when brahman and reed went in to rest the other guys, they looked really bad. Reed did not keep contain on one play, Brahman look all kind of lost out there.
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