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Pre-Game Recon: Unlimited Questions With Our Resident Colts Fans

Normally, this is the post where I'd exchange a handful of questions and answers with the lead blogger for the Texans' opponent. This week, however, we're fortunate to have dozens of knowledgeable Colts fans in our midst, so there's no need for that.

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Accordingly, this is your open thread to exchange questions and answers about the Colts in advance of Sunday's tilt. If you've got a question about the Colts, post it in the Comments; they'll get answered. If our Colts residents have questions about your Houston Texans, they'll post them in the Comments, and we'll answer 'em.

One request: Please keep the "HA HA! PEYTON MANNING'S HURT AND NOW YOU GUYS SUCK!" taunting to yourselves. It doesn't add anything to the exchange. Plus, there will probably be a FanPost started by the Colts fans specifically for trash talking, so you can fire your witty barbs about their QB situation there.

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Ok honestly colts fans..

Do you really feel that Mr. Collins gives you the best chance to win? I know Painter is nothing to write home about, but he’s been learning under one of the best quarterbacks of all-time.. In your heart who would you rather see?

by D-Higs on Sep 8, 2011 5:24 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Collins > Painter

 Easy question. Painter has proved nothing. Collins has playoff success.

by tdd903 on Sep 8, 2011 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Collins gives us the best chance to win..

So we start Collins for the season, but if the Colts get off to a really bad start (say like 0-4,0-5) I think one has to give Painter an actual shot. I know I’m in the minority with that thought, but I don’t think for one second that he has been given a fair shot. Plus I’m also kind of interested if his last quarter against GB (he played really well) was a fluke or not. Plus, at some point the Colts have to know exactly who they have in Painter.

So in answer to your question. Collins any day of the week initially, after the first few weeks who knows?

by parcel621 on Sep 8, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, Collins will get it done

Collins does indeed give us our best chance to win, I am not a Painter basher either…Kerry Collins has proven he can be successful in this league, he has admirably dove into the Colts offensive playbook (albeit a scaled back version of our offense- he will not have the leeway Manning has in running the O) and he has arguably the best supporting cast as far as skill positions go that he has ever had…the only concern I have is his mobility and the O line with 4 new position starters. Hopefully the line gels and we see an improved running game, which is almost a must in my opinion for the Colts to be successful, and we have the pieces in place to do so- a bigger, stronger o-line, a true FB (Gronkowski picked up off waivers from Dallas) and 2 rookie RBs with great size and potential (Delone Carter from Syracuse and Evans from VT) to go along with Addai and Brown.

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I see another angle

Do you consider that perhaps Manning makes the skill players better than they are? Also Collins had something in 2008 as far as supporting cast that you don’t give him now, a top defense and a running game.

I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.

by DaGoaT on Sep 8, 2011 8:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I think he makes the entire team better than they are.

His true worth to the Colts organization is likely to become very apparent in the games he misses.

by WhiskeyR on Sep 8, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is the year that Joe Addai gets to say

“see if I get 300 carries a season I can put up 1200 yards too.”

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by JustAJ on Sep 8, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, as much as I would like to see it Addai doesnt have the endurance of a 1000+ yard back, plus DC will get his share of carries, as will Brown even though I know he has fallen out of favor with Colts nation…but Joe will have 800+ yards running and 500+ receiving yards if he stays healthy

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Addai had 4.3 YPC behind last years AWFUL line

that goes up a few ticks and he can hit 1,000 yards with 220-270 carries like in his first two years in the league.

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair

by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope you are proven right sir

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Any prior rushing numbers were also predicated on having an elite QB and passing attack. Being fored to rush more doesn’t translate into better production since your passing isn’t feared.

Hakeem OlajuGOD

by JeffKing34 on Sep 8, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

they've got deep threats and a QB with a real arm

they won’t exactly be seeing 8 man fronts.

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair

by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

You must trust the young revamped O-line

Deeps threats are only useful if you have the protection to set them up. Without the excellent scrimmage line play changes and Mannings ability to get rid of the ball so quickly, you may have issues. 8 man fronts… Probably not much. Blitzes and stunts… Plenty.

Hakeem OlajuGOD

by JeffKing34 on Sep 8, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

they really can't be worse than what they're replacing

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair

by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

trolling

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by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, honestly.

Pollak was literally useless. CJ was barely adequate, and Diem was worse than useless.

Castonzo is solid, Diem is a much better guard, and at least Zelda isn’t a fat slow guy who can’t block on the edge.

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

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by peytonsurdaddy on Sep 8, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't have to trust the revamped O-line too much.

Collie is a super stud, Clark is still elite, and between Garcon and Reggie you can’t just let them run by you or else they will be scoring TDs. Throw in Tamme and Gonzo and the Colts WR corps is stacked. All Collins has to do is choose whether he wants to air it out or dink and dunk.

I will say this though. If the Texans decide to go blitz happy Collie is going to tear you apart.

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are rating your guys on what they have been able to do in the past with Manning reading the defense. Do you honestly have faith in Collins to make these same reads and find the open man?

I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.

by DaGoaT on Sep 8, 2011 1:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

No.

I must rule with eye and claw — as the hawk among lesser birds.
-Duke Leto Atreides

by peytonsurdaddy on Sep 8, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you might be a bit too high on Collie...

And overvaluing the importance of skill players relative to linemen.

by Nashmeister on Sep 8, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have you watched Collie?

He’s the next Stokley. (Who was the first Welkah)

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Sep 8, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nah.

Stokley was Welkah before Welkah was Welkah.

/we’ve had this convo before.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Sep 8, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

You and I?

I don’t remeber that. Still, I believe Givins came fir… ah, nevermind.

by Cut Block on Sep 8, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry.

Your avitar looks somewhat like Cass’

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Sep 8, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've seen Cass' avatar.

So are you saying he looks like a cock?

by Cut Block on Sep 8, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's more the colors...

orange and pink.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Sep 8, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

More than likely...

he doesn’t like to talk about it.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Sep 8, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Sep 8, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus I think our line will be better than last year...

eventually.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Sep 8, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eventually, indeed.

But rookie left tackles tend to get destroyed.

by Nashmeister on Sep 8, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can see Addai helping him

early on. And Clark…or Tamme.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Sep 8, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

That’s why I added Tamme.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Sep 8, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correction:

a QB with a real old and tired arm

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by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who was still able to air it out 60 yards last week.....

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it was just about receiving corps why not Painter?

You do have a great group of receivers and tight ends. No arguement. If that was all it’s about then all you need is Painter. Your receiver greatness is of little consequence if the scheme is so dumbed down due to prep time and you don’t have time to go through all the progressions. The offense is so timing oriented that it suffers even if Manning is in without enough preseason prep time (Early 2008). I listened to Marshall Faulk talk about how dependent the offense is on Manning. It’s so precise that no one can just step in. You will be running a base offense package at best. With receivers ingrained on running routes Payton’s way. I can’t imagine how you think bringing in a 38 year old QB from his couch will allow Collins to utilize all your passing threats in 2 weeks. Better hope you can gash the middle with run plays.

Hakeem OlajuGOD

by JeffKing34 on Sep 8, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe...just maybe...

the team makes him better than HE is? Will we by chance see a Peyton-like version of Collins?

by Peckerwood on Sep 8, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

That seems tremendously unlikely.

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by Synchysi on Sep 8, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

THIS▲

I must rule with eye and claw — as the hawk among lesser birds.
-Duke Leto Atreides

by peytonsurdaddy on Sep 8, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

In a completely equal world Collins would be better by far.

But thing is that it isn’t equal. Painter has more time with the team, more knowledge of the playbook, and more of a report with the players. Collins didn’t do very well at all against the 2nd team of the Bengals, and while Painter wasn’t perfect, he did well enough to give the Colts the lead at half time against the first team of the Packers.

Collins is the starter though, and has a lot more mental toughness to last through a game without letting mistakes keep him down, not to mention he isn’t Vince Young. He has the second most passing yards in the NFL for an active QB for a reason. Look for Collins to remain shaky the first couple of weeks, but continue to get better as he learns new twists to the offense and becomes more comfortable with the offensive line and his receivers.

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

He has the second most passing yards in the NFL for an active QB for a reason.

Yes, he’s old and he was retired….

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by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Painter showed some signs of life in the 3rd preseason game

but Kerry Collins has actually performed at an above average level in real, full, seasons.

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair

by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

...everso fortunate, eh?

I know Irsay is willing to answer you tweets, but you are correct. Not appropriate for publication. :- )

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by chuckiepoo on Sep 8, 2011 6:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Fantasy Football

Understanding a loss of any QB is probrlematic what do you think your loss will do to the fantasy value of your top players? Will Wayne be viable against an improved Houston secondary or will he be held to 15 yards?

by Mr. Robie on Sep 8, 2011 6:38 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

there will be a change

Collins is not Peyton Manning and we will most likely see a different offense that what we are used to, heavier on the run than in seasons past although Collins can still make all the throws and just last season was posting 300+ ypg, but if I had to guess from a fantasy standpoint you wont see that much of a difference- Wayne, Collie, Clark are all high caliber players and will produce high caliber numbers if healthy

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

The Texans secondary is not going to morph into the ‘85 Bears over night. Collins has the gun to go down field and when you have a new QB it tends to benefit: A.) The Primary WR and B.) The TE. It’s the guys on the 2nd and 3rd read who will get shortchanged. I would avoid Garcon and Collie this week until we see what Collins can do. Wayne is still a must start.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

the difference to me

Is does he have anywhere close to the pocket awareness needed in that style of offense that Manning has perfected?

I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.

by DaGoaT on Sep 8, 2011 9:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

no

hopefully the new guys in new positions on the line can help that. If they can’t it’ll be Painter time soon because Collins will be dead.

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by JustAJ on Sep 8, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

and then...

it will be Gerrard time because we realize we are starting Curtis “Freakin’” Painter in a real NFL football game.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

invisibulman, you sound very realistic with your expectations

How in hell do you survive on your other site?

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by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

…by lurking in the shadows and a lot of anti-nausea medication.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure about Wayne.

Remember our new “elite” CB Joseph will be on Wayne. Don’t you believe Collins will very cautious about forcing the ball to Wayne?

by Mikus318 on Sep 8, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Joseph is a top quality CB, but Reggie always has a teams best corner on him and still produces

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Reggie always has a teams best corner on him and still produces

….when Manning is throwing to him.

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by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Manning did not throw to him at the U of Miami, and he did a good enough job there to warrant first round draft status- Reggie will be Reggie

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

You mean the Miami team that had Santana Moss, Andre Johnson, Clinton Portis, Najeh Davenport, and Jeremy Shockey?

You mean that Miami team?

Yeah, surrounded by loads of talent had nothing to do with his collegiate success

I think Reggie Wayne has been a very good to great receiver, but if Manning never threw a pass to him and Wayne was catching passes from Kerry Collins all those years, then his numbers would be greatly reduced IMO.

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by H-town Fanatic on Sep 9, 2011 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Given the current state of the Colts offensive line, I'd look for Dallas Clark and Austin Collie to have the biggest games.

They are both excellent receivers with crisp routes and in Collie’s case nearly flawless pass catching ability. Their short to intermediate routes will be about the extent of the time that Collins will have to work with so look for them to pick up most of the yardage through the air. That said, I would not be surprised to see Collins air it out to Reggie and let him go up for it. I think Collie will have ~100 yards, Clark ~80 yards, and Wayne ~70 yards with Collie having the most receptions, and Wayne only having 2 or 3.

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

2 questions Colts Lovers out there --

Numero Uno- How do you see your Collins-led offense attacking our newly re-vamped defense in week one?

Numero Dos- (kinda OT) How do Colts fans “hope” the transition out of the Peyton era goes down when the time does actually come? In other words, where, when and how do you think you’ll acquire his successor and how long do you think the Colts will be out of relevancy in the meantime?

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by theSpaceCityKid on Sep 8, 2011 6:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Uno-I think the Texans D will be good. However, it’s only the first game. Collins will test the secondary but, not like Manning.
Dos-There are no Colts fans looking forward to the “transition” from Manning. Sad to think about.

by tdd903 on Sep 8, 2011 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with the above poster on both, as far as the transition to a new qb goes I still feel like we are a couple of years away from actually beginning to look for a successor, and when the time comes I feel the Colts will draft a qb and let Manning mentor him his last 2-3 seasons

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I look forward to that time because the bandwagon will empty out and I'll get to ride shotgun

but I fear the day that he actually leaves us

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by JustAJ on Sep 8, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I think the Colts are going to run and run hard.

Our line has gone from a barely 300 lbs. average to having 4 of the 5 starting linemen close to 320 lbs. We’ve also replace Donald, ‘I can’t run in traffic,’ Brown with Delone, ‘Get out of my way, I’m coming through,’ Carter. As Collins will not have a full grasp of the passing game yet, I can see him working the running game quite a bit, especially if we can get some good run blocking initially.

As for the transition out of the Manning era, I hope that a major defensive guru comes in and absolutely transforms the Colts defensive strategy while the Colts find serious long term replacements for guys like Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, and Dwight Freeney. It is unlikely we’ll find another GOAT QB, or be in the chance to get him, so we need to shore up the defense and change the defensive philosophy while still trying to provide a new QB the most weapons possible to succeed.

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Spanish 1: Collins still has a strong arm so they’ll use Garçon to try to keep an 8th man out of the box and the DBs from cheating, then try to run plenty and dink and dunk in the passing game.

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Spanish 2: I would hope Peyton is 100% after a couple games out, then plays at a high level for the rest of his new contract. 4 years from now, some high quality QB prospect slips into the late 1st, Indy takes him, sits him for Peyton’s last year, then QB X takes over and is very good.

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair

by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

more likely Peyton will be succeeded by some midround guy they've spent a few years developing

like Curtis Painter, minus the sucking so hard.

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair

by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

@This is going to be a real winner@

Let’s avoid the elephant in the room and find out more about Grandma’s drapes hanging in the window…..

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by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2011 6:49 AM CDT reply actions  

quick question

Is there any possibility that due to the slow progress of his recovery, peyton manning actually decides to sit the entire season out to avoid coming back too soon and risking more damage? I’m no medical expert, but it seems to be that these nerve injuries are no joke. And particularly in the neck area where this might tickle down to pain in his back and other extremeties. Would he be willing to risk this season to not risk possibly shortening his career?

by sebastian_8_8 on Sep 8, 2011 7:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Having a whole season off for a wrist injury helped Brian Urlacher immensely.

He was a frustrated grouch while having to sit out, but he admitted the next season (and it was obvious by his play too) that the time off had restored a couple of years worth of youthful athleticism.

Hope it works out for Peyton too.

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by juperee on Sep 8, 2011 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's because he was ROIDED OUT OF HIS MIND!!!

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by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2011 7:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I feel this is a very real possibility and something all us Colts fans should accept- we might not have PM this season. We will survive. It is absolutely not ideal, but we will deal with it-“next man up”-if it happens. The Colts are loaded with talent, both veteran guys that have been around this organization and and some new, younger guys with alot of potential- we will survive.

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

I expect him to sit the season.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tickle down pain is the worst.

You laugh and wince at the same time!!!

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by Taco Joe on Sep 8, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

My understanding is that it isn't risk of re-injury that's the problem, it's that it won't continue to heal while he plays

Joseph Addai had nerve damage in his shoulder last year, missed 8 weeks and even after his return admitted that he wasn’t 100% he had just recovered enough that he could catch and hold onto the football. Now that he’s had a full offseason to recover he’s fine.

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair

by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

That *Peyton* chooses, or that he is told that he should?

If he even sees marginal improvement, I see Manning chomping at the bit to get out there. But if the doctors tell him to tell the front office that he should be IR’d, the front office will IR him. With much gnashing of teeth and flowing of tears, but they’ll IR him. It’s one thing to miss a single season (even the one where the Super Bowl is held in your own town), but it’s another to risk the franchise. Granted, he may only have abour 4 to 6 years left, but the Colts damn well want him for those years. If he needs to be sat, he’ll be sat. But he’ll have to be forced to, because if it’d be his choice, he’d go in.

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by E.M.H. on Sep 8, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

one question not about the offense

How do the colts expects the defense to play. Is there anyone to look out for when gametime comes around and how do their safeties look without bob sanders, because whenever he got hurt, all hell broke loose back there so how are the dealing with him not being there from the start

by astrosfan3 on Sep 8, 2011 7:16 AM CDT reply actions  

the D will be fine

Colts D will most likely be better than it has been the last couple of seasons…everyone is healthy and they added a couple of pieces that fit great in their cover 2, namely Ernie Sims and 3rd round pick Drake Nevis, also added 2 run-stuffing DEs in Jamaal Anderson and Tyler Brayton that will spell Freeney and Mathis and offer a different look on the D-line…as far as the safeties go Bethea is one of the most underrated players at his position, and Sanders replacement Melvin Bullitt will be just fine

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Better

They have been experimenting with the Run-D line in the preseason with a good deal of success. Mathis and Freeney play on passing downs and then they bring in Anderson and Brayton to play DE on the running downs. A marked improvement thus far.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

but how do you defend

Houston’s offense, a team that can play action you all day?

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by Taco Joe on Sep 8, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

play disciplined is the only way to do it

I have hopes there since the vast majority of defenders are returning players and the D is still far more about execution than trickery.

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair

by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pressure

If it is a passing down Freeney and Mathis are coming at the QB no matter what. Play action won’t affect them and more often than not one of them is going to beat their guy. Powers is a very good CB and will likely be matched up with AJ with a safety over the top. Lacey is a liability, but Houston doesn’t have a top flight guy on the other side of the field. Brackett is excellent in coverage and should be able to limit the TE.

The running game ate up the Colts last year and that will still be the biggest weak point. Fortunately the worst offender was Clint Session and he is now with the Glitter Kitties. While the run-D won’t be great (maybe not even above average) they will be better.

So, in short, that is what the Colts will attempt to defend the Texans.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps you should review

What Andre has been able to do to you in the past with two guys covering him. Your success in the past is because of the magic Manning has been able to create in winning shootouts. Mathis and Freeney will get theirs, but I don’t see anything that has changed from your defense or our offense that makes the matchup that much different that it has been in years past.

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by DaGoaT on Sep 8, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

1) The defense has to step up. Without Foster, things simplify but they aren't easy by any stretch.

We have to get major pressure on Schuab, and thanks to the development of DT Drake Nevis, that is a much more likely possibility. We’ve never had consistent pressure up the middle, but Nevis has been tearing apart first team D-lines all preseason, which is inspiring.

2) As for guys to watch, it would be Nevis, CB Jerraud Powers and DE Dwight Freeney in a positive sense and LB Kavell Conner, SS Melvin Bullitt, and CB Jacob Lacey in a negative sense.

Nevis I explained. Powers has had injury problems the past few years but has been growing exceptionally well to the point he was on a borderline Pro-bowl season last year before he got injured. Freeney has had an amazing preseason and is looking more dominant against good LTs than he’s seemed in a while. If this is a true sign, look out for him to tear into Schuab if the run game isn’t working.

As for Conner, he is an exceptionally poor tackler and coverage LB. He gets into the backfield and sniffs out the run rather well, but can’t wrap up properly and has trouble maintaining gap discipline on the edge. His Coverage skills are non existent as well and has never forced an incompletion on a guy he was covering. Bullitt is Sander’s primary backup but he’s been making some really horrible mistakes last year while he was healthy and during this preseason. He had 1 good year filling in for Bobzilla, but has regressed since then. Lacey is our man coverage specialist and starting CB on the right side. He seems to have caught the same bug as every other CB who has started on the right side and gives inordinate amounts of cushion, usually from playing too far back on the snap initially. Because of Lacey’s pedigree and lack of this problem previously, as well as the emergence of Tim Jennings in Chicago, speculation is that this is a scheme wrinkle that no one can explain properly. Either way, though, look for Lacey to be the one giving the most room when you need a 3rd and 7.

3) The safeties are interesting. Bethea and Bullitt are a great coverage duo, and Bethea is easily a top 10 safety in the league. I’ve expressed my concerns about Bullitt, but for the most part he has been very consistent in coverage. The real guy to watch for if he can take the field is Joe Lefeged. He is Bobzilla’s run stopping self incarnate. His coverage skills are poor, but if you want a guy who can stop a charging MJD dead in his tracks at the 1 yard line Lefeged has shown he’s your guy. I’m going to be very interested to see if the Colts play a 3 safety nickle package with Lefeged playing in the box.

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sims has effectively replaced Conner unless im mistaken, and I agree with your assesment of Lacy and Bullitt, and I too think we will see Lef playing the run in nickel sets

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Conner is still on top of the depth chart

we could, at least early on, see a platoon like they had last year with Conner starting, then being pulled on passing downs for Hagler.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is my understanding of their current LB rotation.

But I do not think Conner will remain on the field much longer. Moten has the skills to be an every down base LB as does Sims. Conner doesn’t. The only thing Conner brings is a few highlight reel plays and sniffing the ball out of the backfield a few times. I think the Colts side with consistency over showmanship.

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

How do the Colts' D account for James Casey out of the backfield on PA?

If Foster, Tate, or Ward are running to the flat, and the other LBs are trying to keep up with Owen Daniels, then who can cover Casey? This element the Texans added this preseason found no antidote from opposing defenses.

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by H-town Fanatic on Sep 9, 2011 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm both a bit more optimistic about some things on the defense than the other guys here, and at the same time pessimistic about others.

It’s possible that, with Drake Nevis and Fili Moala in the middle (albeit at different times, since they’re both normally undertackles) that the D-line will actually be solid in the middle and might be better at getting pressure on the quarterback. And Freeney and Mathis are always what they are. That’s the positive.

The negative is that I don’t know that Indy’s CB rotation is good enough. I’m hoping that the front-4 pressure is enough to mask some of that, but they seem to be coached to play a bit too far off their man, and while they don’t give up huge plays, they get the chains moved on them with regularity. That bugs me, because the players are capable of playing tighter, but the coaching philosophy seems to be to keep everything in front of you at all costs. So if the D-line can’t pressure enough, I fear that Indy can be thrown on all day.

Of course, the point of such a defensive philosophy is to have the D-line get pressure. So again, maybe that’ll be masked. We’ll just have to wait and see. I think a lot of that first game will depend on the solidity of your team’s offensive line. If they can keep the pressure off, I may be biting my nails the entire game.

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by E.M.H. on Sep 8, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you have to throw a "new" QB into this situation...

…wouldn’t David Garrard be a more reasonable alternative than Vodka “Traffic Cone” Collins?
I realize that Garrard became available late… (Thank you Glitter Kitties)… but wouldn’t it make sense to try to get him plugged in as a bridge for this season?

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by DilloTex on Sep 8, 2011 8:05 AM CDT reply actions  

I like Kerry Collins, I feel he can help us over a stretch of a few games if PM can return this season. That being said, I like Garrard even more- he knows the AFC South, he is athletic, and if Peyton is out longer than the first quarter of the season I feel like a guy like Garrard would give us a better chance late in the season to win….BUT, this is all speculation and dream scenarios, Garrard might not even be a blip on the Colts front office radar

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't Garrard have to be Collins-like desperate to agree to go to the Colts?

It’s a realistic question. Not trying to be derogatory towards the Colts or Garrard.

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by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't Garrard have to be Collins-like desperate to agree to go to the Colts?

It’s a realistic question. Not trying to be derogatory towards the Colts or Garrard.

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by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't Garrard have to be Collins-like desperate to agree to go to the Colts?

It’s a realistic question. Not trying to be derogatory towards the Colts or Garrard.

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by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I dont understand your reasoning behind the question- Collins was happily retired, how was he desparate? How would you consider any QB “desperate” to step into that offense with all those quality skill players the Colts have?

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly, why do that?

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by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

ok, desperate seems like the wrong word there

from the reports Indy had to talk Collins out of retirement. I think it’s more of a difference in what stage of their career they are in.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe the question was more on the line of the fans to be desperate enough to entertain the thought that,

“Hey! David Garrard is looking for a team, now! How about him?”

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by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Garrard does have far more hopes and expectations about his future career in the NFL

duh, Collins was retired. Which is why Collins was good with coming to Indy, he doesn’t mind if he’s sitting by week 3, he was planning to be home on the couch then anyway.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Collins > Gerrard

All day.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

In no way is Garrard a better fit for the Colts than Collins.

Collins may not move in the pocket, but Garrard plays a completely different style of QB.

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

But there’s a bigger overriding factor: Collins has barely gotten any real time with the team. Garrard would have next to zero, even if he came in right now, right this minute (a little after noon on thursday the 8th).

And over the long term: Like Jamkel, I’d still rather have Collins. Mostly because at least the play would be over when the defense penetrates, and they could reset. Garrard would be running for his life, and might actually end up taking bigger losses if the offensive line leaks.

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by E.M.H. on Sep 8, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

As a Colts fan

I want to know if Foster will play the whole season. He has a history of injury issues. Does one great year make him good every year? Or, does Tate and others play a lot this year?
If Foster goes down and the Texans become more one dimensional, how do they fair this year? We respect Andre but can they compete without a dominant running game?
Also, what if this year the defense is only slightly better than last years D? Lots of transition from last year. Do they gell quickly or will it take another year of draft picks?

by tdd903 on Sep 8, 2011 8:17 AM CDT reply actions  

One hound's perspective...

I think Foster plays the whole season with the normal amount of nicks and wear…
However, if Foster goes down, Ben Tate is right there behind him. Ben Tate was actually the “preferred” running back going into last year’s camps and was injured in pre-season. From what Tate showed in the preseason, even if Foster remains healthy, I’d expect more load share just to reduce the wear and tear on Foster, to keep fresher legs on the field AND because there won’t be a cataclysmic drop-off in production. Also, keep in mind that Glacier (Ward) has a surprisingly high YPC as well.
A slight improvement over last year’s D would be disastrous since last year’s D established a new baseline for the concept of “suck”. However, I expect a significant improvement over last year (damning them with faint praise, possibly).

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by DilloTex on Sep 8, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tate was drafted to start for us

but he was penciled in as #2 behind Foster early in camp last year because of how well Foster was doing. Foster is an extremely hard worker and seems like he’s going to make the most of his opportunities.

Having Ward and Tate behind him is an unbelievable luxury for what used to be a very weak RB core. Hopefully we eventually have that problem with CB too!

by WhiskeyR on Sep 8, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't know that about the pre-injury role-reversal...

Interesting. In any case… from what I’ve seen of Tate, I think that the 2nd round draft pick was well invested.

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by DilloTex on Sep 8, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely

I also think he’ll get a significant amount of carries. At some point he’ll probably surpass Ward. We could really have a special RB core in the coming years.

by WhiskeyR on Sep 8, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

see 2009

No running game, still a top 5 offense.

I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.

by DaGoaT on Sep 8, 2011 8:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

This

Except, even if we didn’t have Foster, we would still have at least a middle of the road running game with Tate and Ward.

I think they hold out Foster on Sunday, but after that he’s going to have another incredible year.

by WhiskeyR on Sep 8, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 8, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Castonzo will be fine, and he will improve as the season goes on- he has the skill and the drive to be a mainstay at LT for years to come

maybe, I like DC alot-he has great size and is a bruiser between the tackles

on D, the Colts front 7 look better than ever, with the additions of Ernie Sims on the weakside, and run-stuffing DEs Anderson and Brayton along with 3rd rnd pick Drake Nevis at DT…safety hasnt changed with Bethea and Bullitt, my only concern is our CBs and lack of depth at the position- Powers is fine but Lacy can be beat and get caught out of position at times, but the Colts felt confident he could do the job or they wouldnt have cut Kelvin Hayden. The backups at CB are young and unproven

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I loved Castanzo on Seinfeld

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by DilloTex on Sep 8, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good question

I believe so, he might get off to a slow start but will manage to do well once get a feel for the game.

Yes, Delone Carter will be a great RB in 3 & 1 situations (something the Colts have failed to covert at times, he’s the power-back that we have been lacking for some time now, I think Darren Evans will have something to offer as well

Strengths: Newly built D-Line and revamped LB corps, our new additions in Sims and Nevis will be keys to our winning on the defensive side of the ball

Weaknesses: The Secondary, Jacob Lacey has been named the #2 CB and his quite inconsistent in man coverage and tends to run away from his zone coverages, also Melvin Bullitt is a serviceable backup at beast but not starter caliber

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by ColtsFan504 on Sep 8, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

-Costanzo will take his rookie lumps, but he is for real.

-Carter is probably not an every down back, but very solid. Addai is still the man.

-Jacob Lacey is awful. Why he is starting in place of Justin Tryon is a total mystery. We are one injury away from being totally up sh!t creek when it comes to the secondary. We have no depth at all.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

1) Shakiest: Corner skill... We've actually got a very nice stable of CBs with rather good pedigree

but the problem is that most of them are untested. Powers and Tryon are fan favorites despite both having tackling issues. Powers is easily the number 1 CB, and if his development continues the way it has he could end up in the pro-bowl. Tryon is a hard hitter with amazing closing speed, but he tackles worse than Powers, and by worse, I mean atrociously. Lacey is our number 2 CB, and while he is a man specialist who had been fairly good the past two years, now that he’s been raised to the starting CB spot, he seems to have been told to give a huge cushion, possibly because he can get beat deep. Anyway, it remains to be seen if he will correct this or not. The other 3 are rookies and first year players who show promise but are untested.

Promise: D-line… Freeney has been tearing things apart this preseason, which always benefits Mathis when teams start to double up on Freeney. Not only that we’ve added DT Drake Nevis who has gotten into the backfield more times this preseason than all the other Colt DTs have in the past 2 years combined. We’ve also added Jamaal Anderson and Tyler Brayton who have done very good at stopping the run and containing it in the backfield. As the edge was our big problem last year, they’ve helped fix a major part of that.

2) Castonzo is a real starter. He does look shaky some games, but has generally been consistent and solid, and has seemed to improve with each game. He should be more than adequate, especially if he can put bulk back on.

3) Carter very well could. He’s replaced Donald Brown, and while he’ll only get 40% of the workload or so, He could very well be this years, “Javarris James,” back and score a massive amount of TDs with only a few yards.

4) See above. Strength: D-line; Weakness: Corner experience

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, I'd say "Weakness: Corner's coaching instructions to play too far off".

I agree that the pedigree is there. Thomas deserves a chance, Lacey would press in college. But it bugs the $#&^ out of me that this ability is not utilized properly.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying switch to a man-press defense. Rather, I’m saying that there’s no need to be so wide open underneath on 3rd downs. That flabbergasts me.

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by E.M.H. on Sep 8, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

I’d rather have them devote Bethea to the over coverage and play Lacey up on the line than constantly have Lacey play 5-10 yards back from the line regardless of the down situation.

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Castonzo looked lost occasionally, but it’s nice not to see the Colts left tackle either totally outmatched physically (Charlie Johnson, Jeff Linkenbach) or randomly blowing plays (Tony Ugoh).

Addai is still the main man in the backfield, he fits everything they do. Carter and Brown will be good situationally. Carter is a really powerful runner with more agility than I expected. Brown has always been a fantastic receiver out of the backfield and seemed to make progress in pass blocking and vision which were major problems for him in previous seasons.

DL is very deep, secondary is very shallow.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know how, but I was lost in the Troll-A-Colts thread, but now I am back where I thought I was

Are you happy with Polian’s effort that he has put into improving the run game?

How about the O-Line? Seems there has been a lot of turnover there with previous draft picks not working out and new rookies coming in. Give us your thoughts.

What happens if Addai gets injured again, like he usually does?…

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by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2011 8:40 AM CDT reply actions  

usually continuity is a good thing on the OL, but when the OL is horrendous…
The line is way more talented than it’s been in years. Castonzo seems legit, Linkenbach had a rough preseason but if he can play like he did in limited time last year he’ll hold of Ijalana for a while longer. The Colts seem to have given up on the whole having guards thing and moved two tackles, Ryan Diem and Joe Reitz inside where they’ve looked pretty good. Saturday isn’t what he use to be, but is still a great player to have.

A Carter/Brown/Evans platoon wouldn’t have the versatility they have with Addai, Addai can do everything in the playbook, but there’s talent there and if the OL is better as it should be Indy can get by without Addai for a bit.

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Serious Questions of the Day

Part 1
Will there be Colts fans tuning out of this game midway if they are getting shellacked?

Part 2
Will there be Colts fans tuning out of this season midway if they are sucking?

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by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2011 8:49 AM CDT reply actions  

these are not serious questions, a poor attempt at trolling…do you tune out your team if they are losing?

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

No... but then again REAL Texans fans are gluttons for punishment

Plus, the Texans have been inconsistent (nice way to say it) for a long time. Bleach-swigging is kind of the normal around here.

But that can’t be said for Indy. The Colts have been a great (elite?) team for a long time now. This is the first time in a decade that they could really fall off. When was the last time the Colts had less than double-digit wins? (Hint- it’s once in the last twelve years).

Rip’s question is a valid one. How bad is is going to get in Indy if the team is 5-5 at the bye week and Peyton is MIA??

by Vince Stros on Sep 8, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

If you are asking about the Colts bandwagon and its incredible size the last few years Ill give you that, but I dont consider those people true fans anyway…but they will drop like flys, and most likely those people are trading their Colts jerseys for, oh, lets say Philly jerseys right now

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, speaking from the perspective of one who remembers the lean years...

… when the Colts were miserable, Irsay the older was in charge, and the Colts were such a laughingstock that Subway felt confident enough to run a promotion that when the Colts won, the cost of a footlong would be the score differential in cents (they only paid out once): I believe it’d be like any other fan base. You’d lose a ton of people. You’d lose a ton of viewers and ticket buyers.

The reason for this has nothing to do with loyalty and the like. It’s more that nearly any fan base doesn’t see losing as being lovable while trying (the Chicago Cubs being one notable exception), they see it as the franchise being stupid and screwing up badly. So a good percentage of fans will actually depart in anger; not watching and not attending is their method of protest. The notion is that “the club won’t get my hard earned money until they straighten out”.

How does that apply to the Colts? Well, I feel confident in predicting that a few years down the line, there will be people saying that the Colts should’ve tanked the 2011 season and gone for Luck in the draft, even if it meant trading away future picks. I can also see people clamoring for high-profile coaches in the wake of Manning’s departure, whenever that’ll be (heck, it’s happened already with Dungy and Caldwell). I’ll see them saying such-and-such player should be traded away… the point is that during losing seasons, fans won’t see a down-on-its-luck franchise as trying. They’ll see it as screwing the pooch. And they won’t come back until they think it’s headed in the right direction.

Now, that’s long term. To directly answer your question about 5-5 at the bye and Peyton is MIA: We’ll see a lesser degree of what I said, true. But I don’t think we’ll see a massive fan departure yet. What we will see is much gashing of teeth, and criticisms from all around about the offensive line, backup QB situation, coaching, etc., ignoring the fact that the O-line ended up having too many bust outs from the ‘07 on draft onward, no legitimate starting caliber QB wants to sit behind Manning for a season, this coach was tutored under the previous successful coach for years…. we won’t see abandonment. But we all will see the knives flash. In sports, it’s all about the here and now. Unless you’re looking for something to bitch about, in which case it’s suddenly about the historical litany of choices, usually presented without context.

Does that answer your question?

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by E.M.H. on Sep 8, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

No and No

As a true Colts fan, I will see them through regardless of they are winning or losing, even if its one game or all of them. I will be a Colts fan through thick and thin.

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by ColtsFan504 on Sep 8, 2011 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

wrong thread man

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

No and no.

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by peytonsthebest on Sep 8, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be at the game, in my #18 jersey

I’ll be the loud guy in the upper level who just got liquored up at the Churrascos Club shindig before the game. If we’re down by 28 at halftime, I’ll still be rooting for my team.

No disrespect to Texan fans, but I’ve seen too many of you abandon your team too early. When the Colts went up by ONE point in 2009 (with a good 8 minutes left in the game), I saw a good 5-7,000 Texan fans evacuate Reliant Stadium before the extra point was kicked. If the Colts fall into a 5-score deficit, I’ll just need to find more beer.

by strootster on Sep 8, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

give it 9 seasons straight of seeing that

and you might leave early once or twice too. Manning has spoiled your fan base.

I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.

by DaGoaT on Sep 8, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yup... Give 'em time... regression to the mean is inevitable...

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by DilloTex on Sep 8, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dammit... you're

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by DilloTex on Sep 8, 2011 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Polian has made the right steps to improve our running game- added a true FB, beffed up the O line and added athleticism, and our depth at RB looks promising right now with Addai, Brwon and the 2 rookies Carter and Evans

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

This can't be a serious answer

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by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2011 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

A mild upset that Brown made the 53-man roster this year.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, a serious Colts fan, thank you

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by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

he still isn't where you want him to be

but he’s looked better when it comes to pass blocking and vision, and he offers something the other backs on the roster don’t have, breakaway speed.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

The only problem is that he's only ever shown that speed 3 times while running the ball in the past two years

Despite playing nearly a full season as the primary back, and when catching balls out of the backfield.

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

The Polians have made improvements in the running game. It may take a year or two to improve (like the Texans D). Colts fans all thought that Manning would be solid for another few years to develop the running game. I liked the additions to the line. I hoped James would have been kept over D. Brown but, Carter should be a decent short yardage back and Evans looked okay in preseason.
Gronkowski is the question mark. Is he a true fullback? I’m not convinced yet. Show me some productivity in this area and I might be more optomistic.

by tdd903 on Sep 8, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eligible Colts Fan #2:

What is the record of a Manningless Colts this season?

What is the record of a Manningless Colts for the first 6 games?

by Karsh on Sep 8, 2011 8:52 AM CDT reply actions  

IMO

9-7 is my most optimistic choice

Maybe 4-2 or 3-3, depends on how well our offense and opposing defenses play

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by ColtsFan504 on Sep 8, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow... keep hope alive...

It has been so long since you guys sucked that you REALLY have no idea of how difficult 8-8 or better is…
9-7 without Manning? Dare to dream.

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by DilloTex on Sep 8, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think we are all hoping for worse, as Texans fans

However, I want to see it before I believe it. That being said, a losing season for the Colts and playoffs from the Texans will be like a double fudge sundae with three cherries on the top!

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by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not that far-fetched...

I wouldn’t predict that high, but it is certainly possible. A lot has been made about how terrible the Colts are without Manning, but this is complete hyperbole from the talking heads out there. There are still 8 guys on this squad (not named Manning) that have legit aspirations at a Pro-Bowl: Wayne, Freeney, Mathis, Saturday, Clark, Bethea, Collie, Vinatieri, and Powers. That alone puts them ahead of quite a few teams. We won’t be drafting #1 any time soon.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

So... right below this you predict 6-7 wins

…and go on to say that you think that 9-7 wins the division…
So you think that the Mannings Collins’s win the division this year?

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by DilloTex on Sep 8, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think it is possible. 6 wins is my guess, but I would not be shocked by 9.

Winnable games:
Cle, KC, @Cin, @Ten, Jac, Car, Ten, Hou, @Jac.

Do we win all of those? Probably not with Collins. But saying it is outside the realm of possibility is going too far.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

As big a step down as it is from Manning to Collins… Collins is still the 2nd best QB in this division.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?!?

Collins is better than Shaub? What have you been drinking/smoking/eating/inhaling? Tell me what you are saying is that Shaub is 1 and Collins is 2 and Manning is just not listed because he’s hurt. Do you think Collins is better than Hasselbeck? Actually, Collins only needs 100+ yards or so to pass Montana on the all-time list so he really isn’t that bad.

by Mikus318 on Sep 8, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

pretty sure he was removing Manning for that ranking

Without Manning, Schaub is far and away the best QB in the division, but I think Collins very well could be #2.

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by shake n bake on Sep 9, 2011 3:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're probably right.

But I also think there could be 2 rankings; 1 based on experience and 1 based on potential + experience. Taking Manning out on both here’s what I have:

Experience:

1 – Schaub (can’t believe I left out the c in my post above – duhhh)
2 – Collins
3 – Hasselbeck
4 – Leinert
5 – McCown

Potential:

1 – Schaub
2 – Gabbert (after 25 games as starter minimum)
3 – Leinert
4 – Collins
5 – Yates

by Mikus318 on Sep 9, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I was excluding Manning. Schaub is the best starting QB in the division right now by a mile.

I think you are pretty close on your rankings for “Experience” other than I hate Leinert.

Think I would actually put Locker #2 in terms of potential. He has played a lot better than I expected thus far. I have him a tiny bit ahead of Gabbert with Leinert down there in Curtis Painter territory.

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by invisibulman on Sep 9, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know...

I completely forgot about Locker. I agree with you except I would have him after Gabbert and before Leinert. I really really like Gabbert and think he is going to be awesome in time. I’m not crazy about Leinert either but as a backup who hopefully won’t see the field until game 16 when all of our starters are resting, he’s acceptable – but only just.

by Mikus318 on Sep 9, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really think

You guys have been spoiled by the last 13 years if you seriously think a team built around Manning can go 9-7 with a 38 year old Collins. I’m not tolling here, I think its a serious point. This isn’t the same guy from years ago.

I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.

by DaGoaT on Sep 8, 2011 10:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

All season: 6 or 7 wins.

First 6 games is a rough stretch. Probably start 1-3, but win the next two. 3-3 through the first 6.

If by some miracle Manning makes it back by then, I think we are still on pace for 9 or 10 wins and a potential playoff berth.

I think 9-7 wins the division this year.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Near .500 without Manning

Possibly 4-2 or 3-3 in the first 6 games.

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

somewhere between 5 and 7 wins.

2-4 or 3-3, even without Manning they are a better team than the Bengals and it’s not unreasonable to think they can take 1-2 games off of the rest of their early schedule HOU, PIT, TB, KC, NO

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

For the season, if Manning isn't here, I'm very pessimistic

I predict a 4 win season. Thing is, it could indeed be a 6 to 8 win one, depending on how and if the rest of the team steps up. I don’t see an 0 – 16 shutout, but I don’t see a 12 – 4 season either.

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by E.M.H. on Sep 8, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't think so

I mean we have Addai, Brown, Carter and Evans. We only carry 4 RBs, if one was to go down then maybe they’ll take a look at him.

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by ColtsFan504 on Sep 8, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why would we want two Donald Browns on the team?

We are still trying to get rid of the one we have.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'd rather have Don, Don doesn't fumble constantly.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Question...

How has yall first round pick from last year doing?

by southpaw70 on Sep 8, 2011 9:12 AM CDT reply actions  

lol… I don’t know if that was meant to be trolling… but you are not going to receive a warm response.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

We drafted him because we had a teams that should have won the Super Bowl but were derailed by an injury to Dwight Freeney. Hughes was insurance against another injury. Thus far he has looked very poor and there were some clamoring that he be released in camp this year. I am inclined to give him another year or two to prove himself.

Even so, I was upset (as were many) when they drafted him because we were in dire need of an OT and IU product Rodger Saffold was sitting there on the board. Polian has since admitted that he blew it on this pick. Saffold was the obvious choice, and Polian screwed the pooch.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

o wow really.

i think jerry would have been better at a 3-4 system, if the owner says he has blown it on the pick, then jerry really has no reason to play for ya’ll then.

by southpaw70 on Sep 8, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont understand all the Hughes talk, I too feel like its waaaay to early to give up on him, this guy could still become an asset to us- I hold out hope he will, he was a beast in college

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hughes is now 3rd on the depth chart behind 3 pro-bowl DEs with over 9 years of experience each.

He only got 50 snaps last year because he could usurp either starting pro-bowler. At this point he’s unlikely to usurp any of the 3 or the 4th guy who was a top 10 draft choice. Hughes has been showing some hints of skill, but has disappointed a number of people because he’s no wracked up half a dozen sacks this preseason.

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the "Hughes is a bust" "Cut Jerry Hughes" talk was way premature

he’s shown some talent and progress, but pass rush opportunities are hard to come by behind Freeney and Mathis. I don’t think he should be written off until he actually gets some PT.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am inclined to agree in general, but I think it has to be admitted at this point that he is behind where we would like. I think he has the talent, but he has not played well in pre-season this year or last.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question...

If Arian Foster does play and is 100% or close AND Kubiak actually sticks to the run game a la game 1 of last season, how confident are the Colts that their additions to the defense will be able to limit the Texans run offense? By limit I guess I mean keeping Foster to under 150 yards rushing.

by Mikus318 on Sep 8, 2011 9:15 AM CDT reply actions  

good question, I feel the front 7 are improved from recent seasons, and our safeties play the run well enough, but the Cover 2 will always be susceptible to a strong running game, especially the way our D is built (small, fast)…will foster be healthy enough for that kind of workload though?

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds eerily similar...

to our potential issues with “up-the-middle” run defense in our new 3-4. Has the fairly good to impressive pre-season performances by Ward and especially Ben Tate been noticed by the average Colts fan? Are you in any way worried that there will be little to no drop-off in running back quality and performance if Foster doesn’t play?

by Mikus318 on Sep 8, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I noticed, and Tate and Ward are both quality rbs…Foster came out of nowhere last season, and as talented as he is Houstons offense as a whole deserves alot of credit for the success of the running game

side note- Im a Tennessee Vols fan so I was familiar with watching Arian for the last several years

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the answers...

I have to get to work so can’t stay on here any longer right now. But I truely wish the Colts well (as long as they don’t beat us :) ) and best wishes to Peyton for a very speedy recovery and a career that lasts as long as he wants it to. Most importantly, here’s to a healthy after-football life. Take care – peace!

by Mikus318 on Sep 8, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Even if Foster is healthy enough to handle that workload.

I expect (and hope) Kubiak not to give it to him. Tate and Ward are capable back-ups that I think should be splitting time with Foster all year. I love Foster, but I don’t want to see him get another 327 carries as I don’t think that kind of workload do much for his career longevity.

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by Synchysi on Sep 8, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, I'm rather confident.

If its a game like last year we’d put in Brayton and Anderson at DE with Foster and Johnson at DT, then switch Sims in for Conner and we’d have a very tough nosed front line. We limited the Packers to 2 YPC with that configuration. They obviously don’t have an Arian Foster, but their ground game is supposed to be good.

Now the only problem with that configuration is that it is a complete sellout vs. the run. Neither Brayton nor Anderson will get pressure on the QB meaning Schuab would have forever to throw.

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Question...

It has been thrown around a lot in the past couple of days that Kerry Collins is 0-7 (I believe) against Wade Phillips as a defensive coordinator. Is that worrisome to Colts fans or do you believe that it is just a statistical fluke?

by Mikus318 on Sep 8, 2011 9:21 AM CDT reply actions  

it is a worrisome statistic, but its week 1 of a wildly unpredictable NFL season with a rediculously short preseason…anything could happen

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

True we haven't had a lot of...

time to “get up to speed” with the new 3-4 defense plus streaks are made to be ended. I’m actually a little worried that this could be the game that Collins finds a way to beat it. At what point in Sunday’s game do you think we will see how both the Colts and Texans can expect to perform this year or do you think it may take more than just the 1st game? Personally I believe after the 1st quarter we will know if Collins is up to the task and if it’s going to be the same old Texans or not.

by Mikus318 on Sep 8, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

It would be worrisome if this wasn't the first year Phillips had control of your D and you had all the pieces in place for his style defense.

I think the circumstances make this contest quite a bit less of a Collins v. Phillips battle and more of a ‘who can adapt the fastest to their situation and the weapons they have been given.’

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's a bit flukey and not as applicable since he's in a different system now

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Worrisome?

Nah. This will probably be the most relaxed I’ve ever been watching the Colts. No expectations.

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by peytonsthebest on Sep 8, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, THAT is why we are worried this week… : )

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the Colts start of something like 0-6 and Manning is still not healthy,

Do you think the Colts will forfeit the season and join the Andrew Luck Sweepstakes?

by MeSoLongHorny on Sep 8, 2011 9:25 AM CDT reply actions  

no, this is so far fetched I cant conceive it, and I have seen this pop up several places…we just signed Manning to a 5 year deal, so would you expect the Colts to blow a first round pick on a backup qb whos contract will expire before Mannings does?

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

True,

but Manning’s recovery has been slow and there is a very minimal chance that it may never heal fully (hope he has a full recovery). BTW I know it is far fetched but the reason I asked is because I have also seen this pop up several places.

by MeSoLongHorny on Sep 8, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just feel like theres no way this could happen given the facts, even with a prolonged recovery time…this is Peytons team until he is officially done with football, and Luck, widely considered the best college qb prospect and #1 pick right now probably would not be paid #1 pick money to backup PM for the next 3-4 years even if we had the cap room

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Remember the Rookie Wage Scale...

Luck will be cheaper than basically every 1st round pick from 2009 if I remember correctly.

by Karsh on Sep 8, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

The idea of throwing games is ignorant.

The Colts team might revolve around PM, but there is still a roster full of other investments. You don’t just risk the health of the other players, by asking them to playwith the worst quarterback possible… or worse, to ask them to play at half speed themselves, over an entire season. Not even the potential chance of landing the Best Amateur Quarterback Ever™ (a guy who has proven nothing as a pro BTW) is worth it.

Anyway… who knows? Perhaps Collins helps them play successfully this season, and perhaps PM’s eventual replacement falls perfectly into their lap, once the time is right?

I just don’t understand how people see quitting as a tangible option. And I personally doubt that the Colts organization sees it that way, as well.

by Cut Block on Sep 8, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

No to Luck

If they are out of contention I would be fine with handing the reins over to Painter to see if he’s worth keeping around then picking up a top WR or DB in the draft.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Question

1: If JJ and Mario begin to beat y’alls LT early in the game, will the Colts place a blocking TE or FB / HB on the left side simply to buy Vodka more time at the expense of another weapon on the field?

2: Not saying y’all will have the #1 pick, but if it’s low enough, would taking a QB this draft be out of the question for the Colts or do you think after this scare, the FO is ready to find a replacement for Manning?

3: I hear a lot about “Next Man Up” from y’all, but be honest…there really isn’t a NMU for Manning, is there? This is like replacing the OC before Week 1 and just having faith that a mantra will be enough…

by Broward83 on Sep 8, 2011 9:34 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

1. absolutely

2. yes, out of the question, way to early

3. no, theres not…everyone will have to step it up, as one guy put it “next hall of famer-league mvp up”

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Follow up to #2.

Assuming a top 15 pick, what position(s) would you target?

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by Synchysi on Sep 8, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

WR or DB

Wayne, Garçon and Gonzo’s contracts are up and Wayne is probably too old to re-sign long term. DB because Indy is very thin there and doesn’t have top talent at 2 of the 4 DB spots.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

While I've been saying "Luck" as much as a lot of other guys...

… Shake’s got a good point: Receiver and DB are good in this upcoming draft class. And it might make better sense to not try to get into the sweepstakes for Luck and instead get some stud defender or a damn good wideout. Part of me thinks “trade down” too, and really maximize things by getting more picks.

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by E.M.H. on Sep 8, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

WR

Would love Jeffrey or Blackmon there. Unfortunately they are probably both going in the top 10. Fuller or Broyles are just as likely to be there at 25 as they are 15. Not much to gain by tanking this year.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't really going for tanking.

The question was mainly posed because it’s been so long since the Colts have had a high pick in the first round, but I guess it was phrased poorly, as I doubt the target positions would change much depending on draft position.

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by Synchysi on Sep 8, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

1) We do that most years.

2) Peyton would have 4 years left in his contract. While getting Luck to fall to us would be an amazing feat and one that the Polians would automatically jump on I think that its about a year too early if this is Manning’s last contract. Having a QB of Luck’s caliber sitting for 4 years is out of the question, so I think the Colts would go with one in a year or two instead of having a Favre/Rodgers situation on their hands.

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

length of contract

The length of Peyton’s contract been mentioned several times above, but how likely is it that he plays out that contract in its entireity?

You have to assume the following:
1) His neck issues can be treated and treated within the year
2) He has no lasting effects from the injury and can return to pre-injury form
3) He can continue to perform at a high level at 39-40 years old

I doubt the Colts will be in the Luck sweepstakes, but overlooking him because you assume Peyton will play out his contract seems a little foolish.

by WakePhil on Sep 8, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

there was a good article here pointing to QBs aging slower than you'd think

http://www.advancednflstats.com/2011/08/how-quarterbacks-age.html

and the word on the injury has always been, once it’s healed, it won’t be a problem, it just has to heal fully, which is taking a very long time.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope he makes it back

but this injury is robbing him of years on the wrong side of 35. While I know QBs last quite a bit longer in the NFL (hi Kerry, see you Sunday) and Peyton seemed like the type that could play into his 40s, there is a lot more uncertainty now.

If you have the opportunity to get someone like Luck, I would take it pretty seriously. Doesn’t matter though, you guys won’t have the worst record in the league.

by WakePhil on Sep 8, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

but also if Luck is on the board for them

they can get a King’s random trading down

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

A King's random? ;)

Yeah, Peter King sometimes writes weird things… wait, what? ;) :p

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by E.M.H. on Sep 8, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Until this surgery all the neck injury had been was a discomfort when turning his head.

After the surgery the nerve regeneration has sapped some strength from his arm, but his mind is still there, and his accuracy is still there. I have very few concerns in terms of Peyton’s ability to play. I just think he doesn’t want to play at 80% when he can wait and regain his velocity with some more rest.

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

knowing the Colts, most likely Waynes replacement so a WR, although personally I would love to see a CB or a difference maker at SS

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 9:51 AM CDT reply actions  

A couple Questions,

1) Are you confident in Bullitt replacing Mr. Glass bones himself Bob Sanders, and will he be as injury prone?
2) If the Texans win the AFC South, how many bandwagon fans will jump ship and go follow the GB Packers? (Percentage wise to the entire fanbase)

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by Taco Joe on Sep 8, 2011 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

1. he has done a decent job replacing him the last few seasons and stayed healthy for the most part, I dont think it will be an issue

2. 38%, although 40% of all statistics are made up

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

I thought it was something like 85% of statistics are made up…. lol

by parcel621 on Sep 8, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

1) No. He had 1 good year and then has begun to suck quite a bit.

He can still turn it around, but he’s got to really stop making so many stupid mistakes. I’d actually look for Lefeged to be Bobzilla’s replacement. He hits just as hard as Sanders, but currently lacks the coverage skills.

2) Just to the Packers? Depends of the Packers win the SB again. If they do I’d say 20%, if they don’t then I’d say about 10%. But that is only if Manning doesn’t come back 100%.

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can’t believe the homerism of these Colts fans.. The colts are crap without PM and y’all know it.

by Tdakilla23 on Sep 8, 2011 10:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

thats rediculous, I will assume you dont know much about football

by thor751 on Sep 8, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

The fact is

We really don’t know. They haven’t been without manning EVER with this roster. But I still think manning makes everyone, especially Clark, collie, and garçon A LOT better. Wayne is a good WR no matter where he would be.

And if it was tough to run the ball WITH manning, it will be A LOT tougher without him.

I don’t think they are a great team, but without manning they are no better than 6-10

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by AllenOU on Sep 8, 2011 10:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

it was tough to run with Manning, without Addai (averaged 4.3 YPC and was 5th in success rate last year)

and with the worst OL in the history of ever.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sure.. All I know is a 38 years old with only 3 weeks to learn the offense ain’t gonna save your season.

by Tdakilla23 on Sep 8, 2011 11:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

wrong thread dud

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Either comment respectfully

Or don’t comment at all.

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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 8, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

To beat the Texans High scoring Offense

will the Colts use a primary running offense to keep us off the field as we did last year in game 1?

I know that last year with Manning that this defense is designed to take advantage of a lead provided, then pin its ears back and go after the QB. What changes will need to be made to defense if Vodka cannot give ya’ll the lead?

Best of Luck to Mannings full return (hope he stays rusty against the Texans in the future meeting)

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by SteelBlueUSMC on Sep 8, 2011 11:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Question for Colts fan

As I was reading the thread on the Stampede Blue for our upcoming game I was quite surprised to see the amount of dislike for lack of a better word for head coach Jim Caldwell. I even saw one post saying Caldwell vs Kubiak = wash. Now I know Texans have more than enought to say for the coaching or lack there of in Houston but it just seems odd that he would be berated so much after posting the highest win total for a rookie head coach and another winning season after that albeit with four more losses in the regular season. It took Tony Dungy five tries to win it all at Indy in '06, shouldn't Caldwell be given at least the same time frame? Hell weve been calling for Rubix Kubes head for a while now but for good reason, Only one non-losing record in the six years his been there. Caldwell hasn’t had a losing record yet. Just my thoughts.

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by TXinCA on Sep 8, 2011 11:50 AM CDT reply actions  

The thing with Caldwell that people dont like is...

His demeanor, his calling timeout at inopportune times, and what appears to be his general lack of second half moves that helps the team.

Don’t get me wrong, I actually like the guy. It just that he seems to make some really bone headed mistakes (see Jets playoff lose), or does the wrong moves. A lot of people (myself somewhat included) feel that he would amount to nothing if Manning wasn’t playing. I guess we shall soon find out what type of a coach he really is.

by parcel621 on Sep 8, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I see his demeanor as being just like......

Tony Dungy. As a matter of fact, I believe that’s probably why the organization went with him as a Coach Dungy’s successor as he was cut fout of the same mold Tony Dungy.

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by TXinCA on Sep 8, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too many people think too highly of their own analytic skills and level of knowledge...

… and fall right into the Dunning-Kruger effect when discussing sports teams. They really fall flat on their face when they try to evaluate someone who’s been in the profession for years and has been part of two Super Bowl teams, one as head coach.

Is Caldwell a great coach? No. I actually think he’s rather average. But the point is that I don’t think he sucks, and I’m continually amused by the fan reaction to him, as if they see what he does in practice, in tape sessions, and so on. I’m just as aggravated at some of his tendencies as the next guy (my God, let the DB’s press. And don’t call dumb$@%& timeouts). But some people would rather see a guy breath fire and piss brimstone, nevermind that that’s the exact wrong mentality for a team of cool, collected veterans.

Caldwell’s not in danger of making the Hall of Fame, but he shouldn’t be turned out onto the street either. Too many fans judge him on a few seconds out of each game instead of understanding that it’s the workweek days back in Indianapolis where he does most of his job.

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by E.M.H. on Sep 8, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tony Dungy was a HOF coach.

Caldwell isn’t. He isn’t perfect and doesn’t show the fire of a guy like Rex Ryan on the field or in press conferences, and has made some new coach mistakes (ill conceived timeouts, etc.) and so it seems like in general people expected him to be more than he was and so since he’s not a HOF coach like Dungy he is obviously not all that good. We COULD have a coach like Del Rio if people wanted a bad coach, but if the coach isn’t flawless, then there is always room to complain.

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would take Kubs over Caldwell any day.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't Caldwell just for show anyway?

Should be easier for Manning to coach now with a headset on all game.

I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.

by DaGoaT on Sep 8, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will never forgive Caldwell for blowing the perfect season.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eligible Colts Fan #3:

Please fill in the blank:

The Texans fans that think this game will be an easy victory are wrong because they don’t know about _________.

by Karsh on Sep 8, 2011 12:59 PM CDT reply actions  

the several great Colts players not named Manning.

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eligible Colts Fan #3:

Can you be more specific? What is something that could surprise us (beyond the Colts not being bad w/o Peyton)? What has the greatness of Manning possibly blinded us from seeing?

by Karsh on Sep 8, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

even with a great team playing a terrible one an easy victory isn't guaranteed

to think you’ll probably get an easy win over the Manning-less Colts you’d have to believe the rest of the roster sucks.

I think lots of people attribute too much of the success of the Colts skill position players to Manning. They are improved by him, especially marginal ones like Blair White, but they are good in their own right.

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

for me

I won’t write it off as a easy win by any means, but they have always played eachother close the last few years, and Manning would win it for you. Without him, I think the Texas have to beat themselves to lose. But hey, it wouldn’t be the first time.

I wish we could hire coaches without "having grown up in Houston" being a job requirement.

by DaGoaT on Sep 8, 2011 1:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

^This is it in a nutshell, right there^

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by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

That Addai is a good RB

That Collie, Clark, and Gonzo are very good WRs
That Garcon can’t catch anything regardless of who’s throwing to him
That Reggie is an elite receiver regardless of the QB.
That Carter is a smash mouth RB like the Colts haven’t had in a long while.
That Ryan Diem is a much better OG now than he was a RT last year.

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by Jamkel on Sep 8, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Texans Defense

I think that fills in the blank very appropriately actually. We don’t know what the Texans defense will be until we see it in a regular season game. By all accounts they should be better, but they were beyond awful last year. 38 year-old Kerry Collins could have shredded that D with the Colts’ WRs. If it goes the Colts way, that may well be why.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Frank Reich wants a word...

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by DilloTex on Sep 8, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh.

Rec’d

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by peytonsthebest on Sep 8, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

You Oiler BESF fans might think that

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by Rip Jersey on Sep 8, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

???

No clue what that means or who you are directing that to… MUST be a reply fail.
Your fallibility is showing.

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by DilloTex on Sep 8, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe in the other thread...

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

FML
mortreport
Official: Sources say Manning had surgery this am – cervical fusion with 2-3 month minimum recovery.No word on whether he will be put on IR.

injuryexpert
If reports of cervical fusion are correct, this is potentially career ending

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 2:12 PM CDT reply actions  

This. 150%

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by Jon Banks on Sep 8, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is certainly bad news for indi...

I hope he’s not done like this.

Do you really think a QB looks up from the line and says "Oh, I don't have to worry about that 6'7 280 pound man over there. He has no sacks and is a terrible line backer!"

by Carter Liles on Sep 8, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I’m that first surgeon I am double checking my malpractice insurance right now…. just sayin’. $90 mil is going to come from somewhere.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Goodness

No way he should play after a fusion. No way. And two to three month recovery? I’ll call bullshit on that. He won’t be able to do much for the first month (if it’s like my surgery, including eating without pain, amongst “other” things), and he’ll atrophy over that period. He’s really got to think about life after football.

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by bigfatdrunk on Sep 8, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

2-3 month minimum

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

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by shake n bake on Sep 8, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well Indy fans

You better make alot of money on superbowl week, cause that might be the highest thing yall going to have in awhile. Now if my texans make i will glady spend money your city.

by southpaw70 on Sep 8, 2011 2:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Anyone but that Pats.

I just might stop watching football all together after a season like that.

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by invisibulman on Sep 8, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its pretty bad news to hear about payton

i dont want him to miss at all i want him in there when we win and anybody that thinks this is an easy win is football retarted

by Steelbluecurtain on Sep 8, 2011 6:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the Texans are the only legit team in the division assuming a Manning-less Colts

I think you top out at 10ish wins even in a division I don’t think will be good, but the Texans are improved imo and while the Colts would have been as well, without Manning they aren’t.

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

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by shake n bake on Sep 9, 2011 3:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not a fluke

The Texans are clearly in a better position than the Jags and Titans. They will assume control of the division once the Colts give it up for good (if they haven’t already.) Even so, I agree with Shake. I think the Texans top out at about 10 wins this year. I actually have them at 9-7, but winning the division. They have been the sexy sleeper pick to make a deep playoff run the last couple years, but I don’t think they are ready for that. The gap between they and the Pats, Steelers, Ravens, et al is still significant. Make the playoffs this year. Show me the defense is for real. Then we can talk about next year.

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by invisibulman on Sep 9, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

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