If Peyton Manning Doesn't Play This Weekend, Do We Still Have To Watch His Commercials?
It's almost here. Just two more days and we'll finally have Texans football. The suspense is absolutely killing me. It's like being a little kid staring at the clock on Christmas Eve, counting down the minutes until Santa comes. Except Santa Claus is decked out in Battle Red and is delivering a dose of hard knocks. And beer.
This year, however, Santa gave us a slightly early present when he sent a posse of elves down to rough up Peyton Manning. Some may argue that they'd rather we beat the Colts when they're at their best, but we've actually done that and it didn't get us very far. Also, I don't remember the Colts apologizing when they took advantage of our backup quarterback (see Rosenfels, Sage; circa 2008).
No, right now I'll happily take any advantage we can get. If we're hoisting the Lombardi trophy next February, I'll gladly take a few moments to apologize for all the breaks we caught along the way, but when you consider the history of your Houston Texans, it's probably best to just move along.
How much of a break is it, though? I mean, sure Manning has treated our defense like his own personal chew toy in the past, but how much has he personally been responsible for our past heartaches? Well with apologies to those who are sick of analysis, I have those answers for you after the jump (but beware, there will be math).
In the past three years, the Texans have actually played the Colts extremely close, even if the outcomes have rarely been in our favor. Let's start with a quick summary of those games and just guesstimate Manning's impact on them.- Week 5 2008: Lost 31-27. The (in)famous Rosencopter game. Matt Schaub was sick and missed the game, so in trots Rosie. Sage Rosenfels actually dominated the Colts defense for three quarters before making like John Elway, only without the victories, positive plays, and the like. While the true catalyst of that disappointment was Rosie, Manning played a significant role in tossing four touchdowns in the final two minutes.
- Week 11 2008: Lost 33-27. Another Texans masterpiece! The Texans were in the game thanks to strong performances by Steve Slaton (huh?) and Ahman Green. Wait a second...yeah, that's right. Slaton finished with 156 yards on 14 carries, and while Green only had 17 yards on 9 carries, he did punch in two scores. Still, Manning absolutely dominated the Texans' D (duh) with four consecutive second half scoring drives of 81, 80, 73, and 69 yards. Hey, we were trending in the right direction! Then Rosie capped our potential comeback with a last minute interception, causing MDC to coin the term "ensaged".
- Week 9 2009: Lost 20-17. My goodness. How, as fans, did we ever survive this? This game brings two words to mind. One is "slant" and the other is unsuitable for print per fine decency rules that govern this wonderful establishment. Those who have been unsuccessful in erasing these games from memory may SLANT remember that Manning and Dallas Clark combined SLANT for 14 receptions and SLANT 119 yards. The Texans still had a chance to tie, however, until Kris "With a K" Brown missed a 42 yard field goal as time expired. Hence, the unpublishable word.
Damn, this hurts. I don't know if I can finish. I need a drink.
- Week 12 2009: Lost 35-27. My everything hurts. The Texans led this game by 13 at halftime before a combination of Texans turnovers and Manning touchdown drives made this yet another version of "what could have been." Manning had two fourth quarter touchdown drives while the Texans had two fourth quarter turnovers (and a meaningless touchdown with 18 seconds left). Moving on.
- Week 1 2010: Won 32-24. I'd like to take a moment to profess my love for Arian Foster. Foster led the team to victory behind 231 rushing yards. Still, Manning threw for 433 yards and 3 touchdowns in a frightening moment of foreshadowing.
- Week 8 2010: Lost 30-17. Behind such luminaries as Mike Hart and Jacob Tamme, the Colts decided not to toy with the Texans this time and just dominated from the start. The Texans picked up their play in the second half, but the Colts did not allow them back in the game. This is an interesting strategy that I recommend the Texans mimic in the future. Manning picked apart our pickable secondary and made his backups look like all pros.
Texans offense vs. Colts defense
Despite the pain involved in reliving those past games, there is a silver lining there. Namely, the Texans offense has consistently been able to score on the Colts defense. In the past three years, we've hung upwards of 32 points on their defense and not less than 17, averaging 24.8.
This includes offenses led by Sage Rosenfels and Steve Slaton.
The Texans offense is consistent and, outside of Foster, healthy, and the Colts defense has not improved appreciably over the off-season, so it seems reasonable to expect the Texans to be able to match that average of 24 this coming Sunday.
Colts offense vs. Texans defense
As good as the Texans offense has been in these matchups, the Colts have been better. They've averaged 28.8 points against our less than stellar defenses.
It is now, however, much more difficult to project this data to this Sunday because as we all know, the Texans defense is not expected to resemble those, um, "defenses" of the past. Also, in case you haven't heard, Manning may miss the game.
How much offense did Manning account for?
So the obvious question now, is how much of the aforementioned offense did Peyton Manning account for over those last three years?
Well, by reading the above game summaries, I would say "a lot." Clearly Manning had a significant impact in each of those games and was able to wreak havoc on our would be defense.
If we want to try to quantify it, however, we can hop over to our friends at Advanced NFL Stats (disclaimer: I have not actually met them, so they may or may not agree to the term "friends"). They have this nifty stat over there called Expected Points Added per Play (EPA/P) where they estimate how much value in expected points each player adds to their team. In 2008, Manning had an EPA/P of 0.25.
Now, I may be completely abusing the metric here, but if I take that 0.25 and multiply it by the 34 passing plays that occurred in the first game of 2008, it says that Peyton Manning "added" 8.5 points.
Manning's also had an EPA/P of 0.30 in 2009 and of 0.19 in 2010. If I multiply this out across the passing downs of all six games, we learn that Manning accounted for an average of about 10.86 points or 38% of the total points scored against the Texans. Smells about right.
How much offense will Collins account for?
Over the same three years, Kerry Collins had an EPA/P of 0.10, -0.09, and 0.10. Yes, he had a negative EPA/P in 2009.
I realize that it's not particularly fair to compare Collins' EPA/P to Manning's over that time frame because they played in different systems, but if you'll allow me a little bit of statistical leeway for a second, let's compare how Manning and Collins would have compared in those six games with respect to how many points they would have contributed.
| Year | Passing Plays | Manning EPA/P | Manning EPA | Collins EPA/P | Collins EPA |
| 2008 | 34 | 0.25 | 8.50 | 0.10 | 3.40 |
| 2008 | 46 | 0.25 | 11.50 | 0.10 | 4.60 |
| 2009 | 51 | 0.30 | 15.30 | -0.09 | -4.59 |
| 2009 | 35 | 0.30 | 10.50 | -0.09 | -3.15 |
| 2010 | 57 | 0.19 | 10.83 | 0.10 | 5.70 |
| 2010 | 45 | 0.19 | 8.55 | 0.10 | 4.50 |
Next, let's see what would happen in those same six games if we would have deducted Manning's contribution and replaced it with Collins' potential contribution.
| Year | Hou Score |
Ind Score |
Actual Winner | Adjusted Ind Score | New Winner |
| 2008 | 27 | 31 | Ind | 25.9 | Hou |
| 2008 | 27 | 33 | Ind | 26.1 | Hou |
| 2009 | 17 | 20 | Ind | 0.11 | Hou |
| 2009 | 27 | 35 | Ind | 21.35 | Hou |
| 2010 | 34 | 24 | Hou | 18.87 | Hou |
| 2010 | 17 | 30 | Ind | 25.95 | Ind |
Again, this is not an exact science, but it does show us that Manning's contributions were quite significant and in some cases the singular factor that shifted these games from a potential victory to a loss -- often a devastating one.
This also fits with our subjective analysis, where it felt like Manning was the difference between a win and a loss.
What about Wade?
Of course, there's one final factor that we haven't accounted for. The Colts will now be facing a tougher Texans defense than they have in the past. I'm not quite proclaiming this the GREATEST DEFENSE EVAR yet, but it's not exactly much of a stretch to say that this defense will be better than that of years past. I mean, the only way they could be worse is to just not take the field.
The impact of losing Manning is pretty significant, as we saw above, but even with the fuzzy logic of the tables, many of the games are still close and simple variation or isolated events can still swing the game away from the Texans. If Wade's defense can make an impact of only a few points, however, the spread becomes more significant, and the results more stable.
Furthermore, one of the great equalizers in some of these past games has been turnovers. The Texans have turned the ball over in each of those six games, and have averaged 2.4 turnovers in the losses. Conversely, the Colts have averaged 1 turnover in all six games.
If Wade's defense can pull just one or two more turnovers and even out that battle, paired with their only moderate improvement in preventing points, it seems that the Colts will have a tall challenge to top the 20 point mark.
So, you're saying there's a chance!
Ultimately, football is a game of variables. The unpredictability of those variables is what makes it great, and obviously it is impossible to predict the outcome of any of these with any level of certainty. The loss of Manning, and subsequent replacement with Collins, along with the expected improvement in the Texans defense, however, suddenly shifts the likely outcome of these variables decidedly in the Texans favor.
Earlier, I said that the Texans should be able to match their average point total against the Colts. I think followed that up with an analysis that says that the Colt should see a significant decrease in their output.
Add it all up, and I'm seeing a 24-17 victory for the boys in white.
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Answer to your question:
Yes, yes you do. The 5head has spoken!! It won’t be the same this year but as a colts fan i feel your defense will be better than last year and your offense obviously is more comfortable and on the same page than ours. If we have to pass the torch, so be it but I’d rather it go to the Texans than The Tians or Jags.
Not dead yet?
Welcome, Half Dead. I wouldn’t think it’d be possible to have so many of Vega’s aforementioned variables change from one year to the next, especially since it seems like our entire team is made to beat, and only beat, the Colts.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
Watching his commercials is waaaaay funnier than watching him torch our secondaries..
"Don't talk about....BE ABOUT IT!"
If the Texans offense gets off to faster starts like they've been emphasizing
then the points per game average should be around 27-29 this year. I’ll be surprised disappointed if they don’t have at least 21 points by half time and finish between 31-40 points for the game. I know we haven’t seen the defense yet but with the Colts weak running game I expect consistent and heavy pressure on Collins and plenty of punts from them. They still have the weapons outside and inside but from what I’ve seen the Texans don’t even have to blitz to get consistent pressure and the Colts O-line is suspect at best so we’ll see plenty of 8 man coverage’s which will make passing pretty hard especially with a Cover 2 shell.
And I’m not going to lie. I didn’t really read all of what you posted (not because it’s not a good article) I just feel like I’ve over analyzed this game already. Really this game should not be any closer than 38-17 Texans.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
my God..
Bo$$/NUTT’d
a brave new world of horror!!!!
(I lol’d)
Thank God for football!
by BattleRedHusker on Sep 10, 2011 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions
*tl;cr
There, I fixed that for you.
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-Duke Leto Atreides
by peytonsurdaddy on Sep 10, 2011 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
nice... rec'd
"Suck it, Jim Tressel, you filthy, cheating, unfashionable piece of monkey scrotum."
- MDC
"Let’s leave all the football talk to knowledgeable experts who have played the game, like Matt Millen and Emmitt Smith."
-tehGrindCrusher
I think an honourable mention for the Coke Machine needs to be made
For his Week 1. 2010 performance.
How about I Punch-a-size your face for free! - Rod Farva
by distant_texans_fan on Sep 9, 2011 9:00 PM CDT reply actions
speaking of Manning commercials
have you seen the new Best Buy commercial? Is it just me or does it look like someone digitally put Mannings head on someone elses body.
I just saw that... It looked like his head was tilted sideways... Must have been hurting him then also.
And he did look too skinny like it was Luke McCown superimposed…..
"Don't talk about....BE ABOUT IT!"
I knew something was fishey when I first seen that commercial
Because I seen that commercial a good week or two before the news came out that he was going to miss the seson opener.
Dont know many people watch the Sopranos
But they did the same thing with Tony’s mom after she died. I was like WTF is up with her head.
Then I seen in the credits that she had passed away.
good read brother.Rec'd
off topic a bit, but colston is out for 4 weeks. one less person to cover. in week 3.
Im looking for divine and a lttle intervention
And birds dont fly without my permission
Im prolly in the sky, flyin with the fishes
Or maybe in the ocean, swimmin with the pigeons
See my world is different, like Dwayne Wayne
And if you want problem Bit#h, i want the same thang
OT!!!
Not sure I understand those Timeouts….
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
I am soooooo ready for this game......
Can’t wait to be there, hopefully see some sacks on Collins and some good ol Texans offense. Is it Sunday yet?
I know its like being a kid and waiting for Christmas
Hurry the Fuck up Santa I aint getting any younger!
That saints and packers game held me over for a bit today
But man, it was so good that now I’m more anxious about the start of the Texans season.
well we got college football tomorow as well.
but thats like throwing a starving person a cracker.
See what I did there Eddie Murphy refrence.
by jtr bmf 281 on Sep 10, 2011 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Watching some college football right now.
Really like these ASU uniforms.
Mizzou's QB looks bad though
He’s been overthrowing or missing his receivers this entire game.
Yup, points on turnovers.
Still think ASU will win this one though.
Did you see the FIU and Louisville game?
The WR for FIU is a beast TY Hilton.
by jtr bmf 281 on Sep 10, 2011 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah he was beastly.
Apparently he has 4.2 speed……
Yup, already penciled him as their #1 draft pick
He does remind me a bit of Desean Jackson though. Great speed and makes huge plays when he catches the ball.
Yup coming down to wire.
That matte black finish on their helmets looks amazing.
Hell yeah!! Go mizzou.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
They've been terrible in the red zone.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Faked the out cut and came back inside. Nice!
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Is it just me
or do all these game make you fell like this football season is going to kick ass
by jtr bmf 281 on Sep 10, 2011 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
It's the Zima spiked KoolAid... :- )
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
yep
I think he’s going to win it on this drive
by jtr bmf 281 on Sep 10, 2011 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
5 yard variety...
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Gone dude....
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Erickson? Bet on it....
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
damn cant wait till Sundays open thread
by jtr bmf 281 on Sep 10, 2011 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Back to back Mizzou TO's?
Is that out of Gary’s playbook? Not sure I understand that.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Damn near jumped it for a pick 6.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
That was way strange.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
dont know how yall fell about college OT
but I like it
by jtr bmf 281 on Sep 10, 2011 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
It seems a little fairer to me and doesn't put the winner of the toss at an advantage nearly as much as sudden death.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
I think this commercial is funny as hell
by jtr bmf 281 on Sep 10, 2011 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Last time out was not a good omen...
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Nice win for ASU.
Lost that pick on a pool
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
when is battle red day this year?
I think every game should be!!!
by skeezy12 on Sep 9, 2011 11:28 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
at least
Its against a division opponent this year, its been weird random games the last couple of years if I’m not mistaken.
by skeezy12 on Sep 9, 2011 11:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well I understood the MNF Battle Red game vs Baltimore
I like those red uniforms
we dont were the all red uniforms this year do we?
I checked the list you posted I saw the red tops and white pants but didnt see the all red uniforms listed.
Yeah no full red this year, though it still is considered battle red day
We only wear the red jersey once a season too. I’m not sure if I dig the blue helmets, red jersey and white pants, think it’s probably the ugliest combination of our colors.
That's very anti-American of you and insensitive to 911 victims
Your a terrorist.
"THERE WILL BE CON$EQUENCE$"
Your Statistical Analysis Is Impressive
Really adds to the whole BRB experience. Rec’d.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Sep 9, 2011 11:41 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
season ticket for sale
Section 115 row u seat 10. This is a great seat and would like to attend but I am in a bind. Anybody interested txt me at 7132085386. I hope this isn’t an issue with me posting on here,
by Big_T on Sep 10, 2011 2:57 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Wait...
What?
Mario Williams will have 4 sacks and 1 int by Game 4 of the regular season.
by Barryfromtexas on Sep 10, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
OT
How did you become Texan fans? From Hosuton? Who did you root for before the Texans?
Luke Mccown will lead us to the promised land
by tiquanunderwear on Sep 10, 2011 10:18 AM CDT reply actions
Unfortunately we will have to endure the commercials
Sort of
I am just happy to have a game. It would be difficult to out awesome the patriotic display they had at Thursday’s game. But that isn’t a big concern.
Can the Texans play with attitude and a killer instinct? That is what I want to know.
Mario Williams will have 4 sacks and 1 int by Game 4 of the regular season.
by Barryfromtexas on Sep 10, 2011 10:32 AM CDT reply actions
I find it hard to imagine the veterans on this team allowing any measure of complacency.
Getting the locker room and the mindset where it needs to be is squarely on Kubes shoulders but if he can’t get it straight, screw him and turn it over to Antonio.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
And Meco.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
by bigfatdrunk on Sep 10, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
..starting to stir....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkADj0TPrJA
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
























