WR Corp..
by matthew.t.wilson on Jan 15, 2012 5:44 PM CST
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I don't see Jacoby Jones being on this team next year after the game he just had. What, if any, WR options are a available in the Draft and FA this coming offseason?
Kendall Wright might be the perfect compliment to Andre and Kevin (not to mention Foster), but I doubt he'll be available.
My point is, WR should be priority #1 this offseason.
PS: Great season Texan! Now get HEALTHY, and get ready for a great 2012-13 season!
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Time to consider developing a number one guy, as Dre ages. Sure.
But Jacoby deserves the hate as a return man, right now, and not as a wideout. Anyway, WR is hardly our #1 priority.
I think he at very least needs competition for his WR spot.
I agree is not a priority, but if a WR’s the BPA, take one.
BTW, what do you think is the #1 priority?
I’d say defensive line. We’re thin at DE (Watt, Smith and Jamison) and our NTs can be upgraded. Bring in more talent and rotate those hogs.
Our #1 priority is retaining Foster, Mario, and my boy, "Ragdoll".
Our second priority, is to find Steve Young incarnate.
I could agree with the statement about drafting a 1st Rd. WR if he’s the BPA.
But I’m not sold, either. Can Lestar Jean block as adequately as Jacoby? If so, that solves this matter, for now. If not, I could see Jacoby back next year… so long as his psyche survives; he learns from this mistake; and is never allowed to return attempt to return another kick in a Texans uniform.
D line is a spot where we could use more depth. Definitely.
Look at the Giants' or Packers' WRs. Now look at your WRs.
Now look at theirs. Yours. Back at theirs. Your wishing theirs were yours, aren’t you. But, they’re not. Now go draft a WR in the first round.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Completely different systems and like Cut Block said, the system's the star here.
The WR2 needs to be an Ed McCaffery/Kevin Walter type of TE/WR hybrid.
Well, I'm not so comfortable with Kevin Walter in pass routes and catching balls when I need someone to catch balls.
The WR depth is a weakness and needs to be improved. I suggest the draft and free agency, where else. Maybe you are satisfied, but I’m not.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
I'm all for prioritizing WR highly. It's not the highest, IMO, but improvements should be highly considered.
I even mentioned a 1st Round pick, as being something to consider. That said, we can"t just grab anyone, he has to be the right guy (and probably immediately).
Hell, I’d like the reincarnation of Steve Young to come walking through that door, as well. But I’m not holding my breath…
Very Ture, but..
In a perfect world, your Punt Return man isn’t just that (unless he’s Devon Hester). That player needs to fill some other roll on offense (DeShaun Jackson) or defense (Daniel Manning). This just makes the roster that deeper and more dangerous.
Kendall Wright has shown the ability to stretch the defense by going vertical, and make big plays in the return game.
Time to give up on Jacoby, he’s had waaayy too many chances.
by matthew.t.wilson on Jan 15, 2012 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
Jacoby fills a role as 3rd WR adequately. Find someone else on the roster for returns. Demps?
Jacoby is not the long term solution to displace Dre eventually, but he still has value on offense. I’m very skeptical any rookie, maybe even Blackmon, would step right into this offense next year, and provide more than Jacoby has (at least previously- not sure what he’d give us, going forward). It usually takes time for young receivers in our offense. BUT, if we can find the guy who can, be it in FA or the draft, I’m as ready as anyone else to bid Jakespeare adieu.
Our scheme is the star, not the player. Vertcal stretch WRs are less important here, than say, Oakland. At this point, I’m not even sure I want to go vertical, with our QBs, save for the bootleg plays.
by Cut Block on Jan 15, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
AJ is the only WR we have that consistantly wins 1-on-1 battles
most big WR’s have the ability to cut block, they just have to be willing to do it. Not every WR, however, has the ability to win 1-on-1 battles consistantly. Jacoby doesn’t have it, Bryant Johnson doesn’t have it, Walter can do it a little but only on short routes. We need to add a legit vet as a recieving threat, and a young stud to coach up. That’s why I like Colston to take Walters spot and push him down to 3 on the depth chart. I like Walter, but he’s past his prime as a reciever. He may now fall into the “wiley vet” category. I think Schaub would love to have both AJ and Colston on the field at the same time, with Walter subbing in and out on occasions.
We were 23rd in the league in red zone efficiency, and Marques Colston is one of the top Red Zone WR’s. I think he should be the guy we go after to help balance out the offense
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
by Drill Sarge on Jan 15, 2012 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Jacoby has the ability. The scheme will get him open more than his talent will, anyway.
But, the larger issues are his inconsistent routes, inconsistent hands, and his obvious inability to make sound decisions in the heat of battle.
I’d love to replace him immediately. I’d love it. I just won’t jump to the conclusion that we would automatically be able to, let alone by merely chasing some famous name. It’s going to take the right player.
He's due 3 mil next year
I think that the output of 30 catches for a #2/3 WR @ 3 mil a season is prohibitive. Jacoby, Leinart, Turk and possibly Bryant Johnson should be the only players not given consideration to win a job with next years team. I think they’ll be cut or not offered a contract by the team. Everyone else should be brought back and at least given a chance to win a spot. I think we’ll have 2 new significant WR’s next year, and at least one of them will be a high draft pick. One may be a free agent, and I think Colston is the most realistic top player we could get. I think he could be fit within our cap structure, he’s a no nonsense kind of guy, he’s big, and he helps in one of our weaknesses (red zone offense).
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
by Drill Sarge on Jan 15, 2012 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If Colston is ready to come, you'd have to think they'll welcome him here with open arms.
I already understood Jacoby’s salary. We still have to replace him, first of all.
And I love how everyone throws around the induvidual receiving stats, without recognizing the scheme.
Of the plays we called, 52% were running plays this year. IIRC. Then take into account the TE receptions in the passing game, Arian’s receptions, and the other wideouts. Spreading the targets around, by design, on top of all that rushing production.
Expecting more than 30 receptions from a 3rd WR on this team may be a misplacement of focus. Somewhere else, fine. But please understand what we do, and how we expect to do it.
One drop by Walter (in what, two targets?) in the Baltimore game, is also hardly a Federal case (looking at you, Ripper).
The thing about Jacoby though, was that he was the #2 for most of the season
If he was showing that he could consistantly be counted on as a WR, I’m sure Kubiak would have put more passes for him in the game plan. He never got seperation from people, he never made tough catches, he had some big drops. He’s a special teams guy only. Asking him to be a WR is asking too much of him. To me, he’s Karim Osgood. Great athlete, but not a particularly good WR. Let him run down on punts and kicks, and return them. That’s all he really is. When has ever really showed more than that???
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
by Drill Sarge on Jan 15, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, he's explosive in the return game.
But, you’ll have to excuse me. I would rather have had no punt returner back there today, even if that had meant a few starts with backed up field position. Then again, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Still, Jacoby has taken us on so many terrible adventures before, as a returner. Give me someone who reads the situation well, rather than someone who might break off a handful of long returns over a season. Ugh. Kubiak is otherwise normally so cautious. KUBES, Y U LET JACK KEEP RETURNING?!?!!1
Explosiveness.
Jacoby’s explosiveness in the return game exploded the entire complection of our second round playoff game. And for what? The potential of a few yards further away from the goal? Where’s my draino?…
Otherwise, I tend to agree. Jack does have the athletic ability, but the football intellect and/or mental discipline seem to sorely be lacking. Still, if we’re replacing him in the receiving corps already, we do have to replace him with something equal or better. Meaning, someone with a hint of mental discipline, who runs better routes (this could be harder to find than we’d expect, even though we’re talking Jacoby), and comparable blocking.
Colston would be nice. But as of now, that’s nothing more than a huge pipe dream. So, we’re likely looking to replace him with other teams’ discards, or rookies.
It could be tough to replace Jacoby the WR as soon as we’d care to. Even though we may ultimately have to.
I doubt
we have the cap space for an expensive FA WR. The draft makes the most logical sense. If they some how manage to resign Mario, you can pretty much forget getting in ANY free agents. Cap is too tight.
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I'd Love Colston, But...
He’s gonna want WR1 money, and that’s not happening in Houston.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
I think we could get Eddie Royal for Jacoby Jones money
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 17, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Eddie Royal is a free agent this year?
"He was in my way, so I got him out of the way." - Arian Foster
by Catallac392 on Jan 17, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
I think so
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 17, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Here's the list of potential FA WRs this offseason
Reggie Wayne (IND)
Wes Welker (NE)
Vincent Jackson (SD)
Desean Jackson (PHI)
Dwayne Bowe (KC)
Marques Colston (NO)
Steve Johnson (BUF)
Robert Meachem (NO)
Mario Mannigham (NYG)
Brandon Lloyd (STL)
Early Doucet (ARZ)
Harry Douglas (ATL)
Eric Weems (ATL)
Roscoe Parrish (BUF)
Legedu Naanee (CAR)
Earl Bennett (CHI)
Roy Williams (CHI)
Andre Caldwell (CIN)
Jerome Simpson (CIN)
Eddie Royal (DEN)
Rashied Davis (DET)
Maurice Stovall (DET)
Bryant Johnson (HOU)
Pierre Garcon (IND)
Anthony Gonzalez (IND)
Jerheme Urban (KC)
Devin Aromashodu (MIN)
Bernard Berrian (MIN)
Greg Camarillo (MIN)
Deion Branch (NE)
Matt Slater (NE)
Domenik Hixon (NYG)
Devin Thomas (NYG)
Plaxico Burress (NYJ)
Derek Hagan (OAK)
Chaz Schilens (OAK)
Steve Smith (PHI)
Jerricho Cotchery (PIT)
Patrick Crayton (SD)
Braylon Edwards (SF)
Ted Ginn (SF)
Josh Morgan (SF)
Mike Sims-Walker (STL)
Micheal Spurlock (TB)
Donnie Avery (TEN)
Kevin Curtis (TEN)
Lavelle Hawkins (TEN)
Donte’ Stallworth (WAS)
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 17, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
I'd take Eddie Royal or Ted Ginn from this list to replace Jacoby Jones
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"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 17, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
We have no large glaring holes to fill
Unlike years past, there isn’t a set position where you can honestly say needs instant rookie upgrade. This is the perfect year to look at a WR in the first round.
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Can't believe
you misspelt Devin Hester, Desean Jackson, and Danieal Manning all in one post.
"Bite off more than you can chew. Then chew it."
by pvavocalist on Jan 16, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Well you should..
.. because that doesn’t surprise me in the least. lol. Spelling unique names has never been a strong suite of mine. E for effort?
by matthew.t.wilson on Jan 19, 2012 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
I am coming around to this idea.
We need a 3rd WR for 3 WR sets and a guy to take Andre’s spot if he goes down again.
Walter is perfect for what he does and will remain the second WR in base sets.
Marquis Colston is a UFA
I think we could manage to get him. He’s young and big with great hands. Not a lot of speed, but is much better making tough catches over the middle than Walters is. I think we will be a serious contender for him.
I also think that in that scenerio, we would draft a wide reciever in the 3rd-4th round. Possibly a Jeff Fuller, Nick Toon, or Reuben Randle.
Our fifth WR most likely in that scenerio would be Lestar Jean.
In a dream situation that is actually possible I could see our WR corps next year as
WR1- AJ
WR2- Marquis Colston
WR3- Kevin Walter
WR4-3rd rd draft pick (Fuller, Toon, or Randle)
WR5- Lestar Jean
I think that would help put us over the top
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
It’s Walter, he’s great a making catches over the middle and WR2 needs to block lineman when he motions.
Colston's a big dude and I think he would be able to block the edge
He’s 6’4 230. He’s also younger than Walter. Walter is going to be 31 before next season starts. Colston also has 48 TD’s in his career. Colston would definitely be WR2 and push AJ for number 1. I’m not saying that he’s better than AJ, but he’s about to hit the prime of his career and AJ is already starting to break down a bit. Walter would be a solid 3. Blocking is important, but the ability to stretch a defense and score TD’s trumps Walter’s blocking skills.
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
Not when we're so reliant on running...
…and, most importantly, strecthing the opposing defense horizontally.
I think Colston could give us similar production as a blocker
The flip side is is that he could also give us pro bowl caliber play down field. It’s not like we have to cut Walter, just Jacoby. I think Colston would balance out this team as a blocker AND reciever. With Schaub, this would be the most talented and complete offense in the NFL. BAR NONE!!!
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
Sarge, I'm on board with you about Colston.
Just not exactly on board with you about this:
Blocking is important, but the ability to stretch a defense and score TD’s trumps Walter’s blocking skills.
Vertcally stretching the defense is a luxury in this offense. It is not mandatory. In fact, the vertcal game is designed to open up automatically. Although that typically happens after we have the defense worried about our horizonal stretching of the field, and the rushing/play-pass aspects; ideally bringing the DBs focus closer and closer to the L.O.S.
I think a great point to make is that you're right about the "luxury" part
I don’t think it’s actually a “luxury” per se, but we can win without it. The Texans, however, don’t have a lot of holes. They’ve finally gotten to that point that the 46 players they have on their roster are flat out talented. I think we can fit both Walter AND Colston on our roster. Colston is actually bigger than Walter and was projected as a TE coming out of college. I think he can give you good blocking, but his ability to catch passes in the seam over sfaeties and corners is elite. I think we can be the most complete offense with leagues best oline, 2 thousand yard RB’s, 2 versitile FB’s, Two excellent TE’s, a veteran QB and a young one that has started and one in the playoffs, WR’s that can be physical, AND 2 WR’s (AJ and Colston) that are serious threats to get vertical.
The eight man in the box is also a chicken or the egg kind off argument. If you have a base set with Colston and AJ out wide, you have to keep your safeties out of the box, thus making it easier to run. The zone blocking scheme can work without as much blocking by WR’s. We do it a lot because Walter is great at it. AJ is pretty good at it too. We also run it without the WR cutting backside.
I like the versitility Colston would give us. Jacoby gives us nothing on offense. And I do think that Colston would be able to block the edge just fine if given the opportunity.
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
by Drill Sarge on Jan 15, 2012 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, the emphasis is on the horizontal passing game; not the vertical one.
That doesn’t mean we wouldn’t want to take a vertcal play when it’s there. It’s just “unusually” low on our list of priorities. We simply prefer to have deeper plays open up organically, rather than crudely insisting to force it downfield vertically.
If Koobz could add Colton to what we have… trust me. He’d still design to come after teams with the short/horizontal attack rather than the deep/vertical one, because it also helps us to open the defenses up for our rushing attack extremely well. It is ultimately about balance; keeping the D on its toes.
Also, remember that you need the right QB, if you expect to successfully feature the vertcal stuff.
No, the offense is well concieved, and very content to attack opponents with the short passes. Another angle, is that we hope to be more risk averse, by limiting the interceptions that commonly result from those boom or bust vertical passes.
Also keep in mind the potential for a (successful) short passing attack, in nullifying a pass rush. Or the intermediate timing pattern combinations that clear the holes in zones for each other, etc., etc. Part of the beauty is the potential for beating any style of defense, on any field, and on any day. With your scheme, if not with your talent. But, yes, it all means that the deep passing comes last. Not ignored… but a definite “luxury”.
No one’s arguing about Colston, though. Someone at Reliant Park, please, by all means call his agent and set up an appointment.
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Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
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True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
Yes but he means making sure he doesn't leave to coach elsewhere
Madame de Staël once said, "One must choose in life between boredom and suffering." De Staël is dead but there is always an alternative.
This is where the cool is.
coaches aren't like players
They can leave to coach elsewhere in the middle of a contract.
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Maybe its just me, but I didn't like what I saw in Kevin Walter today in the receiving department
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
I was thinking snagging Dwight Jones with our #1
He is a big physical wideout that can make big plays anywhere on the field. He played in the same Texans-like system at UNC that Yates did and they played (well) together there. He would learn under Dre and have a good QB throwing to him in Schaub until we reunite him with Yates. He has been called the most underrated offensive player in the NCAA last year.
Then, I wouldnt mind trading up into the beginning of the 2nd for Kendall Wright. Our Wr corps turns into
WR1 Dre
WR2 Dwight Jones/KW
WR3 Kevin Walter/DJ
WR4/KR/RB Kendall Wright
I think Kubiak would have a lot of fun with a guy like Kendall Wright added to the offense (re:Sean Payton/Darren Sproles).
I see Wade passing the power right back to Kubes in this draft. I dont see any position on our defense in need of a top three pick besides maybe NT/CB and I dont see us drafting another CB early anytime soon. There just isnt any room on the defenseive side of the ball anymore (did I just say that about our defense?!!?! GOD I LOVE THIS TEAM).
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Jan 15, 2012 11:33 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
In this scenario if you swapped out Dwight Jones
for a guy like Nick Toon or even Floyd, if he is still around, I wouldnt mind that much at all either.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Jan 15, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
Floyd is not even an option. Bob McNair will see his 3 DUI arrests & squash that idea quickly
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 16, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
Does McNair involve himself that closely in the draft?
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by FreedomRide on Jan 16, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
I think when it comes to character issues like that, possibly
He runs a class organization & he doesn’t want anyone putting a stain on his franchise with off field issues. If you remember how quickly they jumped on Mario for his little 120 mph speeding expedition caught on video his rookie year, they called him in right away & told him they do not want him doing anything like that ever again
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 16, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And with the ebb and flow of draft stock you could reverse these selections possibly.
Taking Wright in the 1st and trading up for Jones in the 2nd. JUST GET KENDALL WRIGHHT IN STEEL BLUE
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Jan 15, 2012 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
In that situation, you're basically saying goodbye to Walter & Jones
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 16, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
TWO WORDS-
MOHAMED SANU.
Read his scouting report. Big, strong, willing blocker, runs good routes, has great hands, gets up to speed quick, but lacks " scary " top end speed. Early projections are for him to be a late 1st-mid 2nd round pick. I think we make a " reach " and get him about 5-10 spots before he should go.
by b4theprofit on Jan 16, 2012 2:17 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Another big guy with good hands would be nice.
Should be able to get him without trading up either, unless some team reaches ahead.
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by FreedomRide on Jan 16, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Arizona or Chicago probably would
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"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 16, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
TWSS
Jeezus, do I have to do this myself/?
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
This^
My Favorite WR prospect.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
Sanu
Mohamed Sanu, Rutgers
Height: 6-2 | Weight: 215
2011: 115 REC, 1206 YDS, 7 TD
Strengths:
Sanu has done it all at Rutgers. Early in his career they lined him up at tailback, wide receiver and also got some snaps at quarterback. He’s shown the ability to block at a high level, is capable of taking it the distance after a catch and has adequate size to play at the next level.
Weaknesses:
Sanu has shown the ability to be a No. 1 receiver, but at times just looked average on the field. He may not be able to fight for the ball in traffic at the NFL level and had a history of drops in college.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
I thought everyone wanted to get rid of Dropacoby.
He may not be able to fight for the ball in traffic at the NFL level and had a history of drops in college.
Sounds like what most people are bitching about with Jacoby.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Part of the issue I think people are overlooking is Andre's injury problems this year
When AJ goes down, we have no legitimate WR threat to beat his man anymore. AJ is getting older. We don’t just need a better WR2, we need somebody who can step into Andre’s role and do a decent job if AJ goes down. Are you really happy with Walter WR1 and Jones WR2 if it comes to that? That’s what you need to be asking yourself. I’m sure as hell not.
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by OremLK on Jan 16, 2012 4:18 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
^^This.
AJ has always been somewhat injury-prone and it seems to be getting worse. This is a run-first offense, but it suffers without a Big Threat at WR, and ’Dre cannot be counted on anymore to be that guy for a whole season.
WR has to be the top priority in the draft and free agency, not just to supplement AJ, but to look toward replacing him as #1. It’s a shame, given how nice it would be to upgrade NT or OG or CB, but the WR problem has become critical this year.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
What?
To the best of my knowledge Andre’s been injured twice (counting his hamstring issues this year as one lingering injury) in his nine years, so now he’s injury prone and can’t be counted on anymore to stay healthy the whole season? I’m sorry, but that thinking makes no sense to me. Matt Schaub has been injured more than Andre while playing fewer seasons. Is he injury-prone?
Andre’s injury showed us that the WR position that many thought was deep on this team isn’t. Jacoby just doesn’t have the mental ability to step up and be a viable replacement for a #1 receiver. Walter is too slow to be a deep threat. We need to look at WR in the first round to deepen the talent pool at receiver. I think we should look for receivers in free agency, too.
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by LedTexan on Jan 16, 2012 7:48 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
In Andre's 9 years
He has played a full 16 game season 5 times. He has also played through some injuries. I’m not quite ready to call him injury prone either, but its def. a concern moving forward. Matt Schaub on the other hand, has had season ending injuries 3 out of his 5 seasons with us. I think you can most def. question his ability to stay on the field next season.
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Right. It's the future AJ who is worrying,
because the WR production drops drastically when he’s out. The deep threat all but disappears, as does the jump-ball ability he brings.
Schaub is indeed another worry. His durability issue cannot be ignored: in this respect he has not measured up to most of the other elite and near-elite QBs in the league. He didn’t seem quite himself this season even before the foot injury, and I believed most of the year he had some other problem the Texans were concealing.
I don’t know if Yates will eventually supplant Schaub, although TJ showed promise. We may see him get another shot sooner than we’d like. All that said, I really like Schauby; I’m hoping the long rest and rehab will set him up for a huge comeback season.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
WR is indeed the #1 priority now
Consider how AJ Green and Julio Jones impacted their two teams (Cincinnati and Atlanta respectively). We need that on this team to compliment ’Dre and give Arian the room to run.
Our receivers do great at blocking and crossing routes, but none of them was able to stretch the field against any secondary while ‘Dre was out. We don’t need a ton of players out of the draft. It should not be about quantity this time. We should consider trading up and nailing a top 5 WR.
Justin Blackmon*, WR, Oklahoma State
Height: 6-1. Weight: 208.
Projected 40 Time: 4.48.
Projected Round (2012): Top 10 Pick.
Alshon Jeffery*, WR, South Carolina
Height: 6-4. Weight: 233.
Projected 40 Time: 4.50.
Projected Round (2012): Top 20 Pick.
Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
Height: 6-3. Weight: 218.
Projected 40 Time: 4.51.
Projected Round (2012): Top 20 Pick.
Dwight Jones, WR, North Carolina
Height: 6-4. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.55.
Projected Round (2012): 1-2.
Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
Height: 5-10. Weight: 190.
Projected 40 Time: 4.39.
Projected Round (2012): 1-2.
Mohamed Sanu*, WR, Rutgers
Height: 6-2. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.50.
Projected Round (2012): 1-2.
Marvin McNutt, WR, Iowa
Height: 6-4. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.58.
Projected Round (2012): 2.
Tommy Streeter*, WR, Miami
Height: 6-5. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.52.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.
Rueben Randle*, WR, LSU
Height: 6-4. Weight: 207.
Projected 40 Time: 4.51.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.
Nick Toon, WR, Wisconsin
Height: 6-3. Weight: 217.
Projected 40 Time: 4.60.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.
That’s your top 10 projected WRs for the upcoming draft. We need one big time!
Then we can talk NT and depth for OL
Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!
Why would we need to trade up to nail a top 5 WR?
Do you really think that many WRs will go before we pick at #26?
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by FreedomRide on Jan 16, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
3 or 4 most likely, but possibly 5
Blackmon will be gone somewhere in the top 4 picks, Jacksonville could take one at #7, Arizona could look at one at #13, Chicago could consider one at #19, Cleveland could take one at #22 if Blackmon doesn’t make it to #4 but RG3 falls to them instead. However, we probably shouldn’t need to trade up. Jones, Wright, or Toon (or at least 2 of the 3) should be available at #26. I could see someone (possibly Arizona) reaching for Sanu
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 16, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
We're projected to pick at 26
Blackmon, Jeffery, Floyd and possibly Wright will all likely go above 26 this year.
While it is true that a lot of WRs fall in the first round as folks go for QB, and defensive players, I think Julio Jones and AJ Green showed the impact value and elevate WR picks in this draft.
Again, WRs are far less of a bust compared to QB, RB and CB picks.
Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!
What do u think about trying to grab Wright if he is available
Then trading up into the top of the second to grab whoever is still around out of Jones, Sanu, Toon, McNutt..
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Jan 16, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Wright has good speed and hands
but he’s under 6 foot and Kubiak likes taller receivers for targets and height/weight leverage for run blocking
I Love Kendall Wright
But I can’t see taking him in the first round.
Looking forward to a day when being a Texans fan doesn't mean that April is the highlight of my season...
I can see him going in the 1st, but I don't see us taking him
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"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 17, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
ruben randal in the 2-3 range,,,, HA
more like 7-ufa
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"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 17, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
Again, WRs are far less of a bust compared to QB, RB and CB picks.
Tell that to Lions fans. I would hate to see us trade up more than a couple of positions for a WR in a WR-rich draft like this one.
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-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Unless it's in the 2nd round to grab another top 10 WR
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 16, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Mohammad Sanu
that is the ONE guy i wan’t. he’ll be there at 26. then trade up for Poe in the second.
I think teams could reach for Sanu
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 17, 2012 1:03 AM CST up reply actions
YES, YES, YES
I had the exact same idea. If Wade likes Poe, we have to make a play for him. But we have to take Sanu or Jones with the first pick.
Considering JJ is unproductive, Walter seems to be in decline and Johnson is getting older. We must take WR #1
im praying we get sanu..
hes the number one guy i want, take him in the first. of coarse draft stock is likely to change come combine time so you never know
Marques Colston...
wouldnt it seem that hes happy to go back to the saints? what are the chances he actually leaves new orleans? is there an issue for them with cap space seeing as they have to resign brees?
At best only one wide out is taken before us. At worst like 5-6 are gone.
Indy – they take luck or trade the pick, but probably take Luck.
Rams/Redskins/Miami – Need a tackle to protect bradford. They take Matt Kalil. I could also see the skins giving away their entire draft to get RG3 here because Grossman sucks, but that probably won’t happen. Miami might reach to get a QB as well, but they are a little too far down in the draft order to justify St. Louis risking the loss of an elite tackle.
Vikings – Also need an offensive line to protect Ponder. They either take Riley Reiff or David DeCastro if the Rams don’t trade. If they do trade, they take Kalil. Skins could also trade for this pick, in which case almost the same scenario happens except for Minnesota and not St. Louis.
Browns – McCoy isn’t working out. If RG3 falls to them, they take the opportunity and grab him. If RG3 is taken, they grab Trent Richardson. They need to replace Hillis as he is a huge distraction and doesn’t produce enough to live with it. They would then probably trade Hillis to someone like Detroit that is in desperate need of a power run game for a 3rd to 5th round pick.
Buccs – Terrible defense. Probably get a DB to replace either a retiring Barber or a jail-bound Talib. I’m betting they take Morris Claiborne.
Redskins – They need a QB, and I’m betting they offer a fortune of picks to the Rams to get RG3. If the Rams take the deal, then the Rams take the best remaining offensive lineman here. If the Redskins keep this pick, then they either trade this pick to Oakland to get Cambell, sign Matt Flynn/Matt Leinart in free agency, or take Ryan Tannehill/Nick Foles in the draft. If they sign a QB in free agency, they go after Blackmon.
Jaguars – If Blackmon falls to here, they take him. If someone else grabs him, they take Jeffery/Wright/Sanu (which ever looks better after the combine).
Panthers – Defense couldn’t stop a nose bleed. I could see them taking Dont’a Hightower to build their unit around. He is talented, well spoken, and very smart. I don’t see them passing him up.
Dolphins – They need a new right tackle badly. They will take the best one available.
Bills – Another bad defense. They need a corner. I’ll bet they take Dre Kirkpatrick here.
Chiefs – They have Orton and Cassel. Do they trade one of them to Washington or Cleveland for a high draft pick? Who knows. That is delving to territory where there are way too many scenarios to count. Suffice to say that the Chiefs have a lot of ammo this draft that they can use against QB-deprived teams. So, barring a trade up for Orton/Cassel that shifts everyone else’s picks I’m going to say the chiefs take yet another offensive lineman, as they also were very weak in the trenches this year. By now I think the best tackle left is Jonathan Martin.
Seahawks – Another possible recipient of Matt Flynn/Kyle Orton/Matt Cassel/Matt Leinart. If they don’t get something in free agency or via trade, and if Ryan Tannehill is already gone, I could see them taking Kellen Moore. He’s a very under rated QB and could turn into something a whole hell of a lot better than Tavaris Jackson. If they do get a QB in free agency or trades, they take another pass rusher. They were in the bottom half of sacks this season, and 33% of those came from one player. In my opinion, they need Courtney Upshaw to generate more pass rush to complement their run stuffers.
Cardinals – Will probably try to address the entire o line in free agency. Don’t be shocked if they throw a ton of money at Carl Nicks and Ben Grubbs. Their most pressing issue is QB, but they just spent a ton of capital on Kolb, so they might not abandon him so soon. This one is a toss up between a lot of players, but if I had to guess I could see them taking Vontaze Burfict. He is already a beloved Arizona linebacker and has an elite skill set.
Cowboys – Bad secondary. They take the best available DB.
Eagles – Best available ILB. Either Kuechly or Burfict is my guess.
Jets – Best available pass rusher. Probably Quinton Coples.
Bengals – I could see them taking either a DB or a D lineman for depth.
Chargers – Best available pass rusher. They were terrible in getting to the QB this year. No player got over 5.5 sacks if I recall correctly.
Bears – They either take a corner or a WR. Might as well flip a coin on this one.
Titans – Best available pass rusher.
Bengals – Best guess is O line depth or DB depth.
Browns – All predicated based on what they get earlier in the draft. Probably a run stuffing LB or a WR. Depends on how things fall up to here.
Lions – They need a power back….badly.
Steelers – Best available ILB to replace Farrior.
Broncos – Dawkins might retire and Champ is old. I could see a DB taken here.
Texans – Wideout.
WR
I still think KW stays with the Texans as the #2 reciver. In our passing game the progression for options is WR 1 and then TE 1. I mentioned this in another post, KW stays as WR 2 becuase of his ability to run block and catch if he has to. Most of the time hes the 3rd or 4th option on the field (depnding on the play, TE 2 or RB might be the next options). By taking KW out and mking him the 3rd reicver you telegrpah that its a run play or a pass play (baring fakes ect…). Keeping KW in allows you keep the plays hidden until the last molment, which is imporant to a run/fake/boot leg.
I still think we go for a WR 2 in the first round, and right now Dwight Jones is my oppinion the best that will fall to us. Hes fast enough that we can put him in the slot and big enough that he can complete for KW job the next year once hes learned NFL blocking. The slot is dificult to play in but allows him to show case tallents. If we cant get him Kendal Right or Snau or my next two on my list. The thing with Jones is i think he can be coached to be a good WR 1 (not AJ level but good).
After that i think we get thicker at OF line and DE line. Maybe add a inside LB to compete with Shartpon and take Cpt Mecos spot in a few years.
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