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AFC Divisional Playoff G.O.A.T.s: After A Night To Reflect On Jacoby Jones & T.J. Yates

As I start, I want to thank my fellow Battle Red Blog staffmates, the readers, the commenters, and, most importantly, the Houston Texans for a heck of a ride. The 2011 season was a good one and made better by all those aforementioned people. People should be proud of the resiliency shown by the team, happy at the beginning of a real identity being formed, and excited for the very bright future ahead of us. Next season isn't going to just be awesome but awe-quite-a-bit.

Next season...that's what any Houston Texans fan is saying about now as the offseason begins - albeit a few weeks later than what we're used to.

Next season will bring higher expectations for the defending AFC South champions after a few critical offseason moves are made. However, next season will not bring about any more Unsung Heroes, as that will evolve into a new feature.

If 2012 is about bigger and better, then one unsung hero won't cut it. In its place, and what you are getting a peek at now, is the G.O.A.T.s for the week. What does that stand for? Get Off A Texan and Get On A Texan. Every week there are players who deserve more criticism/praise than they are getting, and players who are getting criticism/praise that is unfounded.


Now jump for the first two G.O.A.T.s ever.

Star-divide

Get on...wide receiver/punt returner Jacoby Jones. I have been watching football since birth. Whether it be on television, online video, highlight reels, in person, or playing in actual games, I have never seen a worse play than Jones' inexplicable fielding of a punt on a bounce. I know he's already being roasted by many fans and media members, but his decision-making in that moment of time deserves it (Side note: It doesn't deserve the reported death threats or jersey burning on his front lawn. That's crossing a line into Psychoville. We're just talking criticism and SMHing).

It is the single most perplexing, infuriating, selfish play I have ever seen on any level. Realizing Jones is a professional making millions is the icing on a terrible cake, and we haven't even talked about his subsequent bobble on another return or the -6 yard return on a third. Jones is a soon-to-be 28-year-old heading into his sixth season, so we know what we have: A guy with NFL speed who has inconsistent hands and tries way too hard to do too much, so he often struggles. Great players make it look easy, and nothing looks easy with Jacoby Jones - even fielding a punt.

For this reason, with added fuel from that play, he's got to be cut. We can find a more talented and/or promising player, so there is no reason that Jacoby Jones should be on the 53-man roster for the 2012 season. That's a bandwagon I hope many others get on.

Get off....of quarterback T.J. Yates' back. The fifth-round rookie struggled against one of the NFL's most venerable defenses, but what do you expect? It's Baltimore and they have a long history of doing that to quarterbacks from all walks of life.

Am I going to fault him for targeting wide receiver Andre Johnson so much? After there have been many complaints in years past that Johnson doesn't get enough targets? Who else was he going to target? Jacoby Jones can't run routes well enough to get separation, Kevin Walter was being covered pretty well, and Owen Daniels had a broken friggin' hand.

Yates had his highs and lows. The rookie helped lead the Texans to a division title and a playoff victory - things other franchises would kill for. He even played at a level equal to or better than a lot of other starting quarterbacks. That's not bad for a guy who didn't get invited to the NFL Combine or get dressed for most of the season.

Yates is solidly the back-up heading into the 2012 season and will play a big role in Houston's future - be it as the back-up, Matt Schaub's replacement if Schaub isn't extended past the 2012 season, or as an asset traded for draft picks should another team want him, assuming he continues to show growth in preseason games a la a Kevin Kolb, Matt Flynn, or Schaub himself. Recognize what Yates did, recognize the situation he was in, and get off the rookie's back.

That's what I have, but what about you, faithful BRB reader...who are your G.O.A.T.s?


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I think you nailed em both right on the head.

Super calloused fragile mystic hexed by halitosis.

by Gerbillogic on Jan 16, 2012 11:05 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

jacoby :(

agreed! Jacoby has been around long enough and should have enough “football smarts” to not touch that ball. I think even the kid’s playing little league football know that much…. Jacoby you have disappointed me.

by Mr.Marzy on Jan 17, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Consider me firmly onboard
For this reason, although fueled by that play, he’s got to be cut. We can find a more talented and/or promising player, so there is no reason that Jacoby Jones should be a Texan in 2011. That’s a bandwagon I hope many others get on.

Also agree about TJ, he had a very rookie-like game yesterday but that’s because….he’s a rookie! Looking forward to seeing him in a year or two once he has a little more seasoning.

"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce

by Mumford on Jan 16, 2012 11:06 AM CST reply actions  

Now more than ever we need to make sure we draft a WR in the first round.

This offense is so hard to defend as it is, but if we can get a second WR that is a serious playmaker, we’re going to be completely unstoppable.

by Karsh on Jan 16, 2012 11:15 AM CST reply actions  

Yes, and...

who says that a WR who is a good blocker can’t also be a playmaker? Kevin Walter is a great blocker, but on his routes looking for a pass attempt, he is not scary at all. Jacoby Jones, should I say something about him? While I was praising him for his ability to lay a good block a week ago, today I am saying, enough, and you know why. Keep him if no one else can come in, but the teams has to be looking hard to try to displace him. I use the word displace, because, I don’t want a player who will replace him. I want someone dependable for starters at the punt returning position. Enough of the fumbling, bumbling returner. Can we make a coaching/personnel decision to acquire someone with that qualification to start? See, I will relate the punt returner to how I buy my vehicle. I am tall, so criteria number one is that I have to be able to get in the vehicle comfortably and be able to sit without having my head touch anything, like the ceiling. Simple, right? I can save a lot of time in my car search if I quickly determine if I can fit in the vehicle. Same thing with a punt returner. Determine right away if he can catch a punt! Simple! Simple! Can he catch a punt? Coach Marciano! Coach Kubiak! Put this in your evaluation process! Number one: Can he catch a punt? Then go on to the next step! BTW, based on this criteria, I am eliminating Holliday from further consideration, unless on next inspection, he proves he can catch a punt. I literally do not care if he has cop-speed and can hurdle 7’ fences. If he can’t catch it, he can’t make the team! I am rambling here, but let’s cut it off for now, because most of you have the attention span of a kindergartener when it comes to reading blog posts. I’ll save more for later.

"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster

by Rip Jersey on Jan 16, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll summarize for you

If the punt returner can’t catch punts, he doesn’t make the team AND I drive a truck because I’m tall.

"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster

by Rip Jersey on Jan 16, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

i read it rip.

im dedicated like that.

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by Carter Liles on Jan 16, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope, still too long.

“catch punt, non-Jacoby” would work. Remember, the younger generation has the attention span of a stunned pigeon.

by JBal on Jan 16, 2012 1:15 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

You lost me at "Yes, and...".

What was the middle part?

A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving

by Foster Child on Jan 16, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Hows this?

1) Cut Jacoby
2) ??
3) Super Bowl

by Biggity B on Jan 17, 2012 6:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Profit!

A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving

by Foster Child on Jan 17, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

So, you're saying you want a truck to return punts?

Alcohol is necessary so that a man can have a good opinion of himself, undisturbed by the facts.

by Seaborn1 on Jan 16, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I want a punt returner that doesn't try to catch the ball with his grill.

"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster

by Rip Jersey on Jan 16, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

That shot of him on the bench with his cheeks blown up after the fumble made it look like he might have had better luck using his mouth. Probably would’ve fielded it, cleanly.

Alcohol is necessary so that a man can have a good opinion of himself, undisturbed by the facts.

by Seaborn1 on Jan 16, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

No, he's saying he wants a Chevy Silverado with a gun rack

that can return punts.

A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving

by Foster Child on Jan 16, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

For those wondering about cap numbers and cap hits...from Lance Z.
Jacoby signed a 3 year deal for $9 million during free agency but only $3 million is guaranteed so the Texans can get rid of Jones this off-season with no worries.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Jan 16, 2012 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

I disagree about getting off of TJs back.

Sure he got us there, but he got us there by playing it safe and making good decisions. He went away from his game yesterday. He took unnecessary risks time after time. Why throw it up with more than enough time to drive down the field at the end of the game. He was well on his way to go down the field without chucking it away thinking he’s brett favre. He played his worst game of the season no doubt.

I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali

by steelblue on Jan 16, 2012 11:21 AM CST reply actions  

Re: Last Play

I’d have to take another look, but it looked like the play call was a Hail Mary. No one was underneath. Now should he have run out of bounds after picking up a first down? Absolutely. However…it also did look like Kevin Walter could’ve caught that pass had he turned around and located the ball.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Jan 16, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

not the last play, but with 1:40 left on the clock. The one that got picked of by Reed.

btw. did Anyone see the replay for the hail mary? It wasn’t deflected by a defender! It actually hit Kevin Walter in the shoulder!

I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali

by steelblue on Jan 16, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I had read the same thing you did

about TJ changing the play to a pass to AJ. Kubiak said that the play was a pass to AJ all the way and TJ didn’t change it. He said TJ got the ball off late and allowed Reed to get over.

by McAggie on Jan 17, 2012 7:50 AM CST up reply actions  

No, he did not audible

Per Kubiak

He ran the exact play that we called and his read told him to throw the go route if they played one safety. He did exactly what he was supposed to do.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Jan 17, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I ran that over a dozen times slowly in front of the crew at my house

Kevin also turned his head away and toward the endzone like he wasn’t even trying to make the catch.

So was he supposed to be the one running interference and Jacoby was supposed to go up for it? That’s the only thing that makes any sense from Kevin Walter turning away while it hits his shoulder, and more fodder for putting a bullet into Jones once and for all.

If Kevin was supposed to go up and get it, he didn’t seem to even be trying. A phrase from the movie “Heartbreak Ridge” with Clint Eastwood as Gunnery Sergeant Highway comes to mind here…


Col. Meyers: What’s your assessment of this situation, Gunny?
Highway: It’s a cluster fuck, sir.

Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!

by MeMongo on Jan 16, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I saw the replay.

And from the field view it did indeed look like it hit Walter on the shoulder, but on the shot straight down the goal line it was quite obvious Reed got a hand on it before it got anywhere near Walter.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Jan 16, 2012 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

this is correct

And KW’s head is turned in a downward way to look at the ball, kind of like he is looking at the front of his arm. Anthow, if reed doesnt tip it, it lands right in the crook of his arm and his chest.

If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan

by professortex on Jan 17, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

It's too much to ask that we get a Q-tip going our way.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 17, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly!

Missed OT by the tip of a finger.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Jan 17, 2012 10:32 PM CST up reply actions  

on the last play

there was a guy spying yates, or just sitting int he middle of the field. I don’t think yates outruns him, gets 2 yards and the sidelines

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 16, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

cut jacoby

sign/draft good WR, re-sign Mario.. draft linemen/CB and we’re poised to slap around the AFC South with or without Manning once more

I wana say hi to my haters, stay on your job ;) Go Houston sports!!
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by HB23 on Jan 16, 2012 11:22 AM CST reply actions  

question

any explanation from Foster for when he distanced himself from his teammates on the sideline

I wana say hi to my haters, stay on your job ;) Go Houston sports!!
david sperm.. you fugly tyrant
TJ Yates - DATruth DAFuture

by HB23 on Jan 16, 2012 11:23 AM CST reply actions  

Frustration I am sure

I have been there before, where you just want to be alone for fear you might say or do something you would regret. But no to answer your question, I have not seen any response from him.

"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce

by Mumford on Jan 16, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

he was fine in the post game interview.

just, understandably, frustrated. HE said he would be a much better football player next year.

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by Carter Liles on Jan 16, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

It still bothers me, though. How are his teammates supposed to interpret it?

I thought it was a very selfish thing to do. I hope we get a better explanation of it from Arian, who otherwise was a hero in the game.

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Jan 16, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I am not sure how it is selfish

to avoid saying the wrong thing

"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg

"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell

I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right

by Barryfromtexas on Jan 16, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't see how keeping your mouth shut requires an ostentatious display like that.

The more I think about it, the less I like it. I will bet you Bob McNair didn’t like it, either.

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Jan 16, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't understand your view AT ALL

He was likely doing everything he could to stop himself from ripping of Jacoby’s head. Which would you rather he do: walk around o the sidelines understandably frustrated or beat the shit out of Jumbaco? Cause McNair sure wouldn’t like option 2

by splanket on Jan 16, 2012 12:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

And I don't understand yours.

Making a show of separating oneself from the team in a tough situation can’t be anything but a bad move, IMO.

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Jan 16, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Making a show?

How exactly was he making a show of it? He walked down the sideline, stood there for a moment, and walked back. It was never mentioned or brought up again.

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by Synchysi on Jan 16, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

He was showing off for the Baltimore cheerleaders/

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 16, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

and dem girls were appreciatin' dat ass!

'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert

by chuckiepoo on Jan 16, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yf15kikC_g

'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert

by chuckiepoo on Jan 16, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you

Said much better than I could have.

by splanket on Jan 17, 2012 8:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

And goo'd!

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Jan 17, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Awright, awright,

I get it that my position is unpopular, and god knows I love Arian Foster. But his action was diva-like enough that I found it ominous for the future, when he’s going to to be (deservedly) making a shit load more money.

It may turn out to mean nothing; I certainly hope so. But no other player on the team made himself stand out in that way in a game this whole season, that’s why I found it so unsettling.

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Jan 17, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL, how have I missed your sig?

I loved the Pink Panther movies growing up.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 17, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Ditto.

Every time I think about Dreyfus losing it, it cracks me up. Herbert Lom was comic gold in that part.

Clouseau & Dreyfus

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

There is no Clouseau but Peter Sellers.

Casting anyone else in that role is a travesty.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 17, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

Some people need to be very ashamed, starting with Steve Martin. I have no respect left for him.

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Jan 17, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

They used to use twice as much film

making those movies with Peter Sellers, because he used to crack up the other actors so much they had to do a bunch of takes for each scene

If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan

by professortex on Jan 17, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

And so many hilarious scenes were completely cut out.

They made almost an entire movie out of the cutting room floor.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 17, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Kind of random, but people forget

Jacoby recovered an awful fumble by Foster late in the game. But still Jacoby played terrible and Foster was probaly pissed at him.

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by BlackPack-fan on Jan 16, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Go right on not liking it

The world still turns

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Jan 17, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think it needs one

He was frustrated cause he played his ass off & he he needed to cool down. Once he saw he had one more shot, he was back over with the team

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Jan 16, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

that nothing

compared to all the years of ineptitude Andre has had to endure over 9 years
not once have Andre Johnson done that and will never..
gota admit Arian was wrong, no justifying it

I wana say hi to my haters, stay on your job ;) Go Houston sports!!
david sperm.. you fugly tyrant
TJ Yates - DATruth DAFuture

by HB23 on Jan 16, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I see no wrong in it.

He didn’t go into the locker room in a huff, he didn’t chuck his helmet into the stands, he didn’t make a rude gesture at the stands.

Maybe it just takes a certain type of personality to not see what he did as bad? Not bashing anybody, just sayin’. To you it looked selfish, to me it looked like something I would do out of frustration/emotion. Then, return to your team once you’ve calmed down. And yes I’ve played team sports and yes I’ve been at the wrong end of a game the team I was on controlled/dominated but the ball just didn’t bounce our way. And yes, I retreated to the bench to sit for a few minutes.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Jan 16, 2012 10:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I almost thought selfish

but until I hear his reasoning, Ill just call it a diva moment

I wana say hi to my haters, stay on your job ;) Go Houston sports!!
david sperm.. you fugly tyrant
TJ Yates - DATruth DAFuture

by HB23 on Jan 16, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

i don't think so.

i mean he rode the plane back and was in the locker room. he just needed a moment.

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by Carter Liles on Jan 16, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Andre's never needed a "moment"

makes me appreciate Dre that much more

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by HB23 on Jan 16, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

comparing anyone to dre... is just unfair.

Dre wins EVERY time. lol Ill give him slack though. My bet is he didn’t want to be NEAR jacoby.

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by Carter Liles on Jan 16, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

lol the jacoby part is freakin funny

but i dont think Im being unfair, EVERYONE has raved about his class and how proud they are of his professionalism when making appearances on shows award shows etc so I think its fair to base him off that

I wana say hi to my haters, stay on your job ;) Go Houston sports!!
david sperm.. you fugly tyrant
TJ Yates - DATruth DAFuture

by HB23 on Jan 16, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Dre has a different personality.

I’ll keep saying this until everyone is sick of hearing it. The man just played his heart out only to see the game slipping away. Maybe he was fighting back tears and he didn’t want anyone to see that…..maybe he was holding back a primal scream of rage and frustration. No one knows, no one was inside his mind and his heart right then. Not all of us take “comfort” in numbers. Some of us need solitude to sort things out and get ourselves under control.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Jan 16, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Does he owe anyone an explanation? No

Who cares how people interpret it? If a guy needs to be alone for a few minutes to reflect and compose himself then it’s nobody’s fucking business. Frankly, I’m pretty tired of this mentality that everyone needs to justify every little action because someone may take it the wrong way.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Jan 17, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

ok

I understand the frustration but I felt he showed his teammates up with a diva moment.. Ive played on baseball and football teams myself but you have to band together and not isolate.. it looks even worse in my eyes because they had one last opportunity after that and he had to run back into the huddle.. I’d be offended if I was his teammate, hell Im offended as a fan.. with all that said, I still love his game, it wasnt too big of a deal but hopefully he doesnt do that again

I wana say hi to my haters, stay on your job ;) Go Houston sports!!
david sperm.. you fugly tyrant
TJ Yates - DATruth DAFuture

by HB23 on Jan 16, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

i noticed it...

but i don’t care.

oh if i could change my screen name it would be more of a "texasbob" type thing.

by Danpassurweenie on Jan 16, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Not offended in any way

Some people have a harder time containing emotions, and if it takes being away from the teammates for a minute, that’s fine if it helps him hold his emotion in check. Blame the network if you want for showing it, but don’t blame a guy for preventing himself from killing Jumbaco

by splanket on Jan 16, 2012 12:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

if it was because of jabcoby

that woulda happened in the first quarter, this was late in the 4th
everyones different, but theres a way to handle it , and a way not to handle.. he did the latter.. why you think metta world peace has a psychiatrist

I wana say hi to my haters, stay on your job ;) Go Houston sports!!
david sperm.. you fugly tyrant
TJ Yates - DATruth DAFuture

by HB23 on Jan 16, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

He may have been pissed at TJ for throwing those picks

"I don’t like to really get in the quarterback’s head because I know he has a thousand other things to think about when he’s out on the field, but T.J. knows where I’m at."—Wide receiver Andre Johnson, on whether or not he lobbies for the ball in the huddle.

by HTown24 on Jan 16, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Or the offense getting shut out in the second half when a TD was all they needed.

Especially after they took control of the game in the 2nd.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

2nd quarter.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Their's your way to handle it....

and the way Foster handled it. I don’t see either one of them as wrong.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Jan 16, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh No

you may need to back off the sensitivity classes.

by parson65 on Jan 16, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep, I have to agree with this

"He was in my way, so I got him out of the way." - Arian Foster

by Catallac392 on Jan 16, 2012 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Have you ever had anything really, really negative happen to you at work?

And did the rest of your co-workers psychoanalyze your reaction and publicly criticize you for it? Did they call you a diva for wanting to be alone for a few minutes after you were turned down for a promotion? Were they offended by the way you hung your head when failed to meet an important deadline?

Take a step back and put yourself in his shoes for a second. Now, do you give a shit what a fan thinks?

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Jan 17, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

^This more than anything I think.

I do that too. One just reaches a certain level of frustration and knows it is time to isolate oneself.

Just my $.02
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by txknight on Jan 16, 2012 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

And as far as I know, the organization hasn't publicly called him out on it.

Remember, he was held out of a quarter last year for missing or being late to a meeting.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 16, 2012 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

It WOULD have been a diva move

If he had mentioned it in a press conference and calle someone out. However, he was just taking a minute to collect/control thoughts, I have no problem with that at all

by splanket on Jan 17, 2012 8:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Right, seems like much ado about nothing.

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"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 17, 2012 8:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I was impressed with some analysis and feedback that TJ read the defense correctly

but they disguised it and played great on several plays. Single safety back, throw it deep. Except the other safety dropped back quickly and made it triple coverage against a less than 100% ‘Dre. TJ was way better coming in as a backup than any backup we’ve had in history. He’ll learn and grow from all of this.

I was incredibly frustrated that our receivers, ‘Dre included, did not fight more for the ball. I seriously wonder if ’Dre was less than 100% as he wasn’t separating and jumping like he usually does. None of the receivers seemed to be up to “making” plays. They sort of floated through their routes and didn’t fight at all.

Two areas that need to be addressed on special teams by the coaching staff:

1. Go back through every game and identify the blocks in the back. Then either cut or discipline those players. That shit is taught at age SEVEN in pee-wee football, and reinforced with explicative thunder from coaches and fans all the way through HS and college . To be collecting a paycheck and still hitting people in the back is absurd and should not be tolerated. How fucking stupid are you to see the other player’s name plate and still hit him?!!! CUT the idiots!

2. Another thing that is taught at age SEVEN is during kick returns you get the hell away from the ball if you do not catch it or have any confidence of catching it. Jacoby Jones has five years in the NFL and his brain provides ZERO value to this team. Good legs, questionable hands, shit for brains. I saw a quote last night that was spot on:


“If Jacoby Jones had missed the flight to Baltimore or been suspended, the Houston Texans would be on their way to an AFC Championship in Foxboro.”

Let that sink in. CUT JACOBY JONES!!!

Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!

by MeMongo on Jan 16, 2012 11:23 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

no doubt Andre wasnt 100 percent.

Whenever you get hurt in your lower body, you have to rehab physically and mentally. When I broke my ankle, it took a lot of running to give me confidence that my ankle could handle that level of activity. Andre hurt both his hamstrings, I’m not surprised he doesn’t have the confidence to jump as high or run as fast as he used to.

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by steelblue on Jan 16, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

but he should be back to normal by the time summer camp stuff starts.

I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali

by steelblue on Jan 16, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I totally agree and appreciate 'Dre and his situation

His heart and mind were probably feeling held hostage by a body that wouldn’t respond the way he is so used to.

The fact that the rest of the receivers were unable to step it up just further highlights the absolute need we have for a top 5 WR in this draft, or FA. I hope we address it the same way we went after the defensive players in the last draft.

Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!

by MeMongo on Jan 16, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Andre showed up on the injury report last week with a knee injury.

Something may have happened in the Cincy game.

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"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 16, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

there was at least one int where the receiver stopped

and let the defender run past him. The receiver should at least get some of the blame for that, because if he feels the defender on him, he should move back towards the qb. And despite JJ’s boneheaded play, and all the int’s, if Walters had turned his head on the hail mary rather than letting it hit him on the shoulder, we might still be in the playoffs. I don’t think there is just one person to blame here.

Despite that, I am proud of the team and how hard they fought, and I look forward to next year.

by BleachBum on Jan 16, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I have an unfortunate feeling...

That Kubiak will continue to believe in Jacoby and he will be back next year… Heres hoping I’m wrong though!

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by Carter Liles on Jan 16, 2012 11:23 AM CST reply actions  

I think you need to change the "KAREEM JACKSON" in your sig to "JACOBY JONES."

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by T-Moar on Jan 16, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

No, it should be "CUT KAREEM JACKSON & JACOBY JONES"

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Jan 16, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

your just a little bit late. hahaha

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by Carter Liles on Jan 16, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Get off of Kareem

He played actually pretty decent/borderline good yesterday. If he keeps turning his head on deep passes like he did yesterday he might actually become something other than a liability.

Get on…the refs who didn’t call a personal foul on Boldin for his shoving of allen’s head into the ground. If they call that, they are 3rd and 20+ and we have a shot to get the ball back with enough time to justify a 4 minute rushing drive to tie it up.

by SoCalTexan on Jan 16, 2012 11:32 AM CST reply actions  

It's a make or break year for Kareem

He’ll have a full offseason to work with Vance, Joseph, and Wade. I know Joseph said 90-95% of Texans defender will stay in Houston and train together this offseason, so hopefully Kareem is one of them and really puts in the work. He can hang with possession guys….just needs to work on his ball skills.

I’d still like a veteran to be brought in to challenge Kareem for spot 2. Absolutely need someone solid to bring in.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Jan 16, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

a veteran like Jason Allen?

Who could we realistically get, with the cap issues we have? I don’t think there are enough good cornerbacks in the league for every team to have even one that fans can have faith in. And unless the FO decides to let Mario walk I don’t see how we would have any chance of signing anyone better than Kareem or Allen.

by Calvinball on Jan 16, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

People are making much ado about cap numbers

Cap will increase and space frees up (hello, Mario’s extreme number). Long term deals can be made to make the cap hit smaller…..so don’t stress about cap issues. We don’t know what the numbers look like right now or how they’ll look.

A guy who may be a surprise restructure or extension? Eric Winston….he’s a larger cap number.

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by TexansDC on Jan 16, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

i think he will be back for camp.

they won’t just CUT him outright. That never happens like that

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by Carter Liles on Jan 16, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Blah

To be expected I guess, but he should not be IMO.

"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce

by Mumford on Jan 16, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Well who's out there, then?

Who is a decent FA corner this year that won’t break the bank? That won’t have fifteen other teams bidding on him?

by Calvinball on Jan 16, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmm, good question.

I’ll have to dig on this.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Jan 16, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmm well Marcus Trufant(Seattle) maybe.

Cortland Innegan? (lmao)

Brandon Carr (KC)?

But not a great class coming up.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I think they stick with Kareem Jackson

I think he played his best game ever yesterday. There were some fantastic throw-catches made when he had blanket coverage. I think he holds on and I hope to see him carry this into next season.

I really think he played his best game ever.

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by Rip Jersey on Jan 16, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

right there with you rip

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by nolander on Jan 16, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

he's still guilty until he plays better consistently.

but he has played better. maybe one more year is all it takes to get it.

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by Carter Liles on Jan 16, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Not only that, but it was in a pressure game

the entire secondary played lights out yesterday in my opinion in the biggest game of their careers for most of them. That is something you can really build on.

by BleachBum on Jan 16, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

KJax did play quite well yesterday

I totally agree with you. Turning his head, wrapped up around guys without PI calls, hands playing the catch… he had a couple of amazing catches made against him on coverage that you simply couldn’t ask for more on. I couldn’t believe it was #25 out there. Boldin was a nice test for him — someone who can’t beat him with speed but runs great routes and has fantastic hands & physical size. Wade made the call we hoped he would.

by The Arian Race on Jan 16, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

He still needs to figure out how to locate the ball in the air

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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Jan 17, 2012 12:37 AM CST up reply actions  

lol, yes he does

baby steps

first he needs to turn his head so he can see it

by BleachBum on Jan 17, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

me too...

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by chuckiepoo on Jan 16, 2012 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

ugh to all 3.

I kinda wanna sign innagan though. So that pest has to be a locker room mate of Johnson. hahaha

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by Carter Liles on Jan 16, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Brandon Carr is actually rather solid.

I left off guys like Brent Grimes because he’s going to get a big contract. And guys like Tracy Porter and Terrell Thomas have big injury concerns. Carlos Rodgers is going to get a nice contract.

The rest are meh but anyone of these guys could come in if Allen leaves.

Richard Marshall (ARZ)
Kelvin Hayden (ATL)
Cletis Gordon (CAR)
Zackary Bowman (CHI)
Corey Graham (CHI)
Tim Jennings (CHI)
Kelly Jennings (CIN)
Alan Ball (DAL)
Eric Wright (DET)
Jarrett Bush (GB)
Pat Lee (GB)
Jason Allen (HOU)
Dwight Lowery (JAC)
Rashean Mathis (JAC)
William Middleton (JAC)
Will Allen (MIA)
Antwaun Molden (NE)
Michael Coe (NYG)
Aaron Ross (NYG)
Donald Strickland (NYJ)
William Gay (PIT)
Al Harris (STL)
Elbert Mack (TB)

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

The FA class that's LOADED this year is WR.

A bunch of good WR’s going on the market.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Big names.

Reggie Wayne
Wes Welker (Pats won’t let him go though).
Vincet jackson
Desean Jackson
Dwayne Bowe
Marques Colston (hard to pay him and Brees)
Steve Johnson
Robert Meachem
Mario Mannigham
Brandon Lloyd

Then everybody else.

Early Doucet (ARZ)
Harry Douglas (ATL)
Eric Weems (ATL)
Roscoe Parrish (BUF)
Legedu Naanee (CAR)
Earl Bennett (CHI)
Roy Williams (CHI)
Andre Caldwell (CIN)
Jerome Simpson (CIN)
Eddie Royal (DEN)
Rashied Davis (DET)
Maurice Stovall (DET)
Bryant Johnson (HOU)
Pierre Garcon (IND)
Anthony Gonzalez (IND)
Jerheme Urban (KC)
Devin Aromashodu (MIN)
Bernard Berrian (MIN)
Greg Camarillo (MIN)
Deion Branch (NE)
Matt Slater (NE)
Domenik Hixon (NYG)
Devin Thomas (NYG)
Plaxico Burress (NYJ)
Derek Hagan (OAK)
Chaz Schilens (OAK)
Steve Smith (PHI)
Jerricho Cotchery (PIT)
Patrick Crayton (SD)
Braylon Edwards (SF)
Ted Ginn (SF)
Josh Morgan (SF)
Mike Sims-Walker (STL)
Micheal Spurlock (TB)
Donnie Avery (TEN)
Kevin Curtis (TEN)
Lavelle Hawkins (TEN)
Donte’ Stallworth (WAS)

One of the deepest WR FA classes I’ve seen in a long time.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I can tell you that Arlington fans would like us to get Roy Williams.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 16, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

/feels nauseated.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind getting Bowe

Wonder if he would be uber expensive?

"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce

by Mumford on Jan 16, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh yeah he will.

He’ll be expecting number 1 money even though he’s not proven to be a consistent WR.

He’s great leaper and a big body but not always reliable. Still he’d be nice but he’s going to be getting at least one big offer and that could be from the Chiefs.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya I kind of figured he would be

I know he is not that reliable, but definitely has some skill. How old is he?

"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce

by Mumford on Jan 16, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Also anyone know about Jerome Simpson?

I know he made the highlight reels with the flip into the endzone, but would he be worth a look?

"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce

by Mumford on Jan 16, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

He's a good young WR who finally broke out.. Bengals will try to keep him.

Second on the team in yards 3rd in catches. Invisible his first two years finally made a little impact last year and a bigger one this year. A good number #2 to Green’s #1

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Stealing a player 2 years in a row from Cincy?

Me thinks they would start to hate us for that.

"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce

by Mumford on Jan 16, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah still working on being an all round WR though.

It’d be a risk with him since he’s only got this year to show for after 4 years in the league.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

At the end of Last year

He showed allot of skill..

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by TexanZ 1017 on Jan 17, 2012 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Simpson, eh?

He also hurdled someone in our playoff game, IIRC, in a dangerous way.
He needs to stop that. I see a Rosencopter and/or serious injury in his future.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 16, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

You're totally joking, right?

The same prima donna that did this a month earlier…

by The Arian Race on Jan 16, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Any player that pisses Jim Rome off

is fine by me.

Houston Texans: 1 Playoff Win.
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by T-Moar on Jan 16, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

look for guys in here...

leaving shaky quarterback situations. They are often underrated due to sucky qbs

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by Carter Liles on Jan 16, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Most of the guys after the top ones are special teams aces which would be nice.

Pierre Garcon might be the best out of that lower tier group. Anthony Gonzalez as well. Everybody else is more of a special teamer than a god all round WR. Harry Douglas though is interesting.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I would Love Mario Mannigham

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by Joe25 on Jan 16, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Are any of the JAX players good?

I know they had a pretty good defense this season, I don’t know if that was because of the secondary or the front 7, though.

by Calvinball on Jan 16, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure their secondary got wiped out with injuries.

They were pretty good in pass defense before that though. Rashean is past him prime though I know that.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd take Will Allen from that list

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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Jan 17, 2012 12:38 AM CST up reply actions  

List is a bit outdated.

Just didn’t bother going through and editing it.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 17, 2012 1:56 AM CST up reply actions  

We'll get someone since we may not retain Allen.

He might get a bigger offer or demand to much.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually I think he'll take less as long as he's given a real chance to start

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by The Night Owl on Jan 17, 2012 12:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Well not if he gets a decent offer from somewhere else.

And I find it unlikely he gets anymore play time than what he got this last year.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 17, 2012 1:57 AM CST up reply actions  

or the Rams

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by nolander on Jan 16, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

He had a good year, according to PFF.

But in his two previous years, he sucked. Contract year effort, perhaps.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 16, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

That seems to be a trend among the BE-SFs.

Remember Haynesworth?

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by T-Moar on Jan 16, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 16, 2012 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I love Marcus Trufant, but I don't want the Texans to have anything to do with him.

He’s well past his prime.

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by UprootedTexan on Jan 16, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Is Brandon Browner available?

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by The Night Owl on Jan 17, 2012 12:49 AM CST up reply actions  

totally agree with you on Kareem

and wouldnt object at all to bringing in some known veteran talent, but I also would hope that the staff could coach up our two rookie additions in training camp to push Kareem, meaning Brandon Harris and Roc Carmichael.

by BleachBum on Jan 16, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

If he keeps turning his head on deep passes like he did yesterday…

Yup, I particularly noticed that, and a couple of the catches against him were of the gee-whiz variety. Considering how terrified I was of what Flacco would do to him with the deep ball, I was ok with how he played.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 16, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Three of the catches against him were unbelievable back-shoulder sideline catches. Kareem was in good position and used the sideline to bracket the receiver. Unfortunately, Baltimore was blessed by the football gods with more than their fair share of circus catches.

Kareem had a bad season, but he was the least of our worries yesterday.

by Nashmeister on Jan 16, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed...Kareem just needs to turn his freakin' head, that's it

It’s basic cornerback technique. When the WR gets past you, you run straight at him and look at his eyes, once they go big (it’s an involuntary brain function that the WR cannot help to do) you turn your head and throw your hands up. 9 times out of 10 you will either disrupt the catch or get a pick. Not to mention you won’t get called for PI’s most of the time since you have your head turned. Frustrating to watch…I don’t know if the coaches are coaching him incorrectly or if he just can’t do what he’s being coached.

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by HTown24 on Jan 16, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

If Satan is so good at producing pro-quality players, why didn't he learn that in college?

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 16, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe he forgot what he learned or maybe Satan is over-rated...who the hell knows.

"I don’t like to really get in the quarterback’s head because I know he has a thousand other things to think about when he’s out on the field, but T.J. knows where I’m at."—Wide receiver Andre Johnson, on whether or not he lobbies for the ball in the huddle.

by HTown24 on Jan 16, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I think possibly the latter.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 16, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

he turned his head a couple times at least yesterday

He is not consistent though. He is improving, but progress is slow.

by BleachBum on Jan 16, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

The ultimate hope of a Texan fan is....

that it’s Duane Brown-esque improvement.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Jan 16, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

year 3

make or break

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 16, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, I was pleasantly surprised

Maybe that is a sign of things to come…Vance Joseph needs to drill that in his head all training camp.

"I don’t like to really get in the quarterback’s head because I know he has a thousand other things to think about when he’s out on the field, but T.J. knows where I’m at."—Wide receiver Andre Johnson, on whether or not he lobbies for the ball in the huddle.

by HTown24 on Jan 16, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh.

Allen tackled him. lulz I think a flag could’ve gone either way on that play. I kind of appreciated the fact that the refs were just letting them play.

Just my $.02
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by txknight on Jan 16, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

TJ trade bait

I know people would think that’s crazy, but a good QB is hard to find and teams are willing to pay dearly for a franchise QB. If Schaub is going to be our starter for more than four years, it makes sense to trade TJ if the price is right. The same reason we gave the Bucs the approval to interview Wade Phillips applies here. You don’t want to hold a guy back in his career.

by SubCrim on Jan 16, 2012 11:35 AM CST reply actions  

How much?

You have Leinart under contract already so it makes sense to, at the very least, entertain offers for TJ.

However, what exactly is fair value for TJ? I have a hard time believing that the Texans would be willing to accept less than a 2nd/high-3rd for him, but equally hard seeing a team not feel like they can draft that out-right.

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by DeathBySexy on Jan 16, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't take that, and it's unlikely they'd get an offer for more.

I suspect Koob thinks he really has something with Yates. He will want to hang on to him to see how he develops, especially considering Schaub’s injury history.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 16, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I’m sure all Texans fans want to see what he develops into as a Houston Texan. But as I said, you don’t want to hold a guy’s career back if you can get equal value. That’s what pisses a lot of players off about the franchise tag.

by SubCrim on Jan 16, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Leinart’s deal was only for this year. As far as how much, I can only assume you look at precedents like Kevin Kolb, Matt Cassel, even Schaub. Also, it also depends on the quality of the QB’s left in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Some team might feel TJ is better than what’s left and make a deal for him.

by SubCrim on Jan 16, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

IMO

We would have to fins a team willing to overpay greatly for TJ. If trading him allowed the opportunity to get Claiborne from LSU or Blackmon I would jump all over it. Short of some huge overpayment like that, he stays here with the hopes of becomming the franchise QB for us in 2 years

by CoogmanSam on Jan 16, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

This is why I don't envy coaches and GM's

I think a lot depends on Matt Leinart to be honest. Is he going to be bumped to 3rd string or kept 2nd? That might be the difference on if he re-signs with us or not. I don’t see the Texans paying Leinart more as a 3rd string QB than TJ as a 2nd. Maybe they keep one of the Geezer Squad (Garcia or Delhomme) as a 3rd string. Maybe they sign a FA career back-up.

by SubCrim on Jan 16, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

TJ>Leinart

"I don’t like to really get in the quarterback’s head because I know he has a thousand other things to think about when he’s out on the field, but T.J. knows where I’m at."—Wide receiver Andre Johnson, on whether or not he lobbies for the ball in the huddle.

by HTown24 on Jan 16, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

If they can afford both, let's keep both

Contract situation on Leinart, unknown at this time, but hopefully, neither plays a down next season. Then we can get them both a ring!

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by Rip Jersey on Jan 16, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Precisely because good QBs are hard to find, this is more of a reason to keep TJ

You need to have a solid back-up that can step in on day 1 if Schuab gets hurt. I think TJ has proven that he can do it (despite yesterday’s miscues). With more mentoring and experience, he is the QB of the future. Let’s not forget that he is no longer a rookie and that he did delivered the 1st Cincy win/clinch and then delivered the playoff win.

"I don’t like to really get in the quarterback’s head because I know he has a thousand other things to think about when he’s out on the field, but T.J. knows where I’m at."—Wide receiver Andre Johnson, on whether or not he lobbies for the ball in the huddle.

by HTown24 on Jan 16, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

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by steelblue on Jan 16, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

rec'd

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by TheLastDynasty on Jan 16, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

This might be a little out there and a little ignorant on my part but

could we try Jacoby as a corner. I mean he’s fast and tall. He has the build and a as a corner he’d have the necessary vision to watch the ball. Kareem didn’t play horribly yesterday, but that’s just an idea that came to me in my post game drunken stupor

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by TheLastDynasty on Jan 16, 2012 11:43 AM CST reply actions  

Please go wash your brain out with bleach.

Thank you.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 16, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

yeahhhh....

nooooo…

CUT JACOBY JONES CUT JACOBY JONES CUT JACOBY JONES
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by Carter Liles on Jan 16, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Jacoby Jones lacks any common sense

I wouldn’t let him wash the locker room in fear he would splatter bleach on some “real” player’s uniform.

You have to have some level of brains, instincts and physical ability to play football. I rest my case.

Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!

by MeMongo on Jan 16, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Apparently this was not well received

Apologies all around!

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by TheLastDynasty on Jan 16, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Draft talk

I know this is early. But I am on board with drafting Patrick Edwards in the 4th or 5th round. If we can move him around, we can help keep him from getting jammed at the line every play. He is a more than capable replacement for Jacoby. Although small, he is a willing blocker.

He runs fair routes and has game changing speed and great hands. He could step right in as a punt returner with good upside as an NFL receiver.

by CoogmanSam on Jan 16, 2012 11:49 AM CST reply actions  

soo hes not jacoby?

Im in!

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by Carter Liles on Jan 16, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

He possibly could go later than that

Even possibly undrafted

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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
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by The Night Owl on Jan 16, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Really?

Has his stock fallen that low? I know I saw low grades and I am not entirely sure why. I will admit I am a UH home but he stands out more to me than Donnie Avery ever did. Some of the catches he makes are ridiculous and he makes great adjustments to deep balls.

In a way, he reminds me of Brandon Lloyd with less spectacular catches but better speed. I think he is definitely worth a flyer especially if he drops so low.

by CoogmanSam on Jan 16, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Well sorry but looking back on that game it's impossible to NOT look at Yates.

It’s not really even his fault but that loss 80% of the blame falls on him. Even with that stupid muffed punt by Jacoby that didn’t lose us the game.

3 INT’s that should have been 6 and his command of the offense is obviously lacking. It’s really unfortunate that Schaub got hurt because the way the defense played yesterday and Foster’s making up for the first game we would have won handily I think.

The reason the Texans lost was QB play but considering it was Yates it’s understandably. It is what it is no reason to act like he wasn’t the main reason the team lost yesterday.

Ravens fans were right about winning thanks to a rookie QB since it’s the only reason they won.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 11:56 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I think Jacoby's muffed punt changed the complexion of the whole game.

Who’s to say any of those INTs are thrown if, instead of the D making a goal line stand there (and losing the battle) we go back on offense and march down the field and go up 10-0?

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 16, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree.

The last thing we co do was get in an early hole.

by willieboyd on Jan 16, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

10-3 Before that Yates INT that led to the second Ravens TD.

It was just one of his several bad passes yesterday but that first one was the game changer.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

But if we were up 10-0, does the first int get thrown?

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"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 16, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Well it's not like they weren't passing at all.

First two plays of the game were passes and they had a near perfect run/pass ratio all day. It wasn’t because it was 10-3 it was just a really bad decision to throw that pass to Andre.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed, the pass was badly thrown.

That’s all on TJ, so if we spot them that Int and the score, but take away the Jones muff and subsequent Raven score, the game is still tied and/or close enough to manage. We would have been more conservative in play-calling, because that is the only way to play the Ravens – you have to be smart and not make mistakes. You don’t have to score a lot on them because their offense is not great…not to mention our D played lights out! That game should have ended 16-13 Texans.

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by HTown24 on Jan 16, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Would TJ have felt quite so compelled to force it if we weren't down?

My guess it, he felt it was on him to get us back in the game, and tried too hard (think his mistakes in the Carolina game, his only other performance that I would call bad). I’m pretty sure that’s not even an experience problem. Experienced QB’s seem to be able to fall into that too, and sometimes they fail at it.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 16, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Well you can spin that to:

Take away the first Yates INT and subsequent score and the game goes at least to over time 13-13. Maybe even a 16-13 win if Rackers doesn’t miss.

And I don’t want to hear about conservative plays. Texans dominated the 2nd quarter on offense and Yates was very effective in that quarter. The offense then had the the full second half to either kick two FG’s (they did miss 1) or score a TD to win. The Texans never showed any signs that they were going to call that game conservatively and even when it was 17-3 they were still running the ball and mixing in the passes.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 17, 2012 2:07 AM CST up reply actions  

A whole lot of "ifs" and "buts"

Don’t change the fact that they WERE thrown.

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by Hydroshock on Jan 17, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Huge game-changer

The offense went and scored, the defense held to a 3-and-out, and the crowd was out of it. Houston had the momentum. After that, it took Houston a while to get going and Baltimore was fired up.

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by TexansDC on Jan 16, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

This

"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce

by Mumford on Jan 16, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Good response...that's exactly what I was going to say

Not to mention the play calling changes with a tight game (with a lead or tied). If Jones doesn’t screw up, we would have run it more and/or throw more short passes, screens, and play-action (less chances of INT’s). Instead, we became one-dimensional trying to catch up and were airing it out a little too much.

"I don’t like to really get in the quarterback’s head because I know he has a thousand other things to think about when he’s out on the field, but T.J. knows where I’m at."—Wide receiver Andre Johnson, on whether or not he lobbies for the ball in the huddle.

by HTown24 on Jan 16, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder if Yates would have had to throw as much

if Jacoby hadn’t dug us that fricken’ hole up front?

Foster was running great. We could have just run the ball more and limited TJ’s throws if we weren’t behind thanks to Jacoby.

Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!

by MeMongo on Jan 16, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Yates first INT that he threw straight to the CB is when the game got out of hand.

It was 10-3 Ravens at that point. Then his INT led to them scoring a TD and the game went to 17-3.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

and you sort of expect a rookie QB to make a mistake or two in a hostile playoff environment against that defense

so you can’t afford a 5th year veteran to shit the bed on the first punt return and stick the team in the hole in the first 5 mins

Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!

by MeMongo on Jan 16, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

While I agree he was bad yesterday

I still put the majority of the blame on Jacoby. That really was a game changing play.

"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce

by Mumford on Jan 16, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Still no need to be on him.

The rookie in him just picked a very lousy time to show up. lulz

Just my $.02
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by txknight on Jan 16, 2012 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Let’s not forget how many potential INTs were dropped. He should have had roughly 5-6 picks to be completely honest.

I’m with you. I’m not angry because it was to be expected at some point from a rookie that only played half a season. But I think it’s being disingenuous to act like T.J.‘s play wasn’t the biggest reason we lost, because it was.

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by Hydroshock on Jan 17, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree that ultimately the picks are what killed us.

But, remember, he’s a kid (how easy it gets to call adults kids as you get older). Did he get the “I have to be the hero” idea into his head, and snowball from there?

We’re both identifying being a rookie/inexperienced as the ultimate cause, but I think we see different reasons why it came out in this game.

Plus, we were playing Baltimore.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 17, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Very True

Still, as much as that dumbass play put us in a hole it still didn’t have an impact on the play calling until the end of the game.

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by Hydroshock on Jan 17, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

^^THIS^^

Just my $.02
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by txknight on Jan 16, 2012 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Truth

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by Hydroshock on Jan 17, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Logic

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by Hydroshock on Jan 17, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Jacoby's mistake put us down 4

That’s not a significant enough of a deficit to change the play calling. We pulled to within 4 before the half thanks in large part to Foster’s running, so it didn’t really effect the play calling until the 4th quarter when we were in hurry up mode.

What it did was shift all that momentum that some folks here don’t believe in to the Ravens.

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by Hydroshock on Jan 17, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

It really brought the crowd to life

Houston had gone in and killed their excitement quickly and efficiently.

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by TexansDC on Jan 17, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Key difference was that Kubiak specifically called out Jones on the muffed punt

When is the last time Kubiak has ever called out a player for boneheaded plays????

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by The Night Owl on Jan 16, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I think I can safely say "NEVER"

That isn’t Kubiak’s style, so this had to be deep under his skin to be so clear about it.

Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!

by MeMongo on Jan 16, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

In several of the games prior to this

Jacoby fielded punts after a bounce or two, rather than getting away from it. I thought it was pretty dangerous, since a football bounces so erratically, and wondered why they werent getting on his case about it. This implies that maybe they were getting on him about it, and he continued to do it. If that is true, I think Kubes is fully justified in throwing him under the bus.

by BleachBum on Jan 16, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure he openly criticized Slaton's fumbling issues

Before that it was Jerome Mathis for being a pussy.

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by Hydroshock on Jan 17, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I would of never expected that from kubs.

He never call out his players and I agree with that strategy. Jacobys play had to really piss him off for that to happen.

by Dmo_Htx on Jan 16, 2012 12:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Only one I can think of was Trindon Holliday

After practice one day, Kubiak said he had a long way to go to be an NFL receiver.

by JBal on Jan 16, 2012 1:20 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

I don't think he throws three picks, probably not even two, if not for Jacoby's idiocy

He was pressing and had to pass much more than he should have because the Texans were playing from behind the whole game thanks to Jacoby. You put a rookie, any rookie, in that situation against a defense like Baltimore’s in an environment like that and I think you’re going to get a similar result.

All that’s without even getting into the huge momentum shift which happened after the Jones play—which I’m not getting into because “momentum” is so intangible and some feel it matters while others doesn’t.

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by OremLK on Jan 16, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Ravens sat in zone and made TJ beat them. They had no defensive urgency with the lead.
The Houston Texans talked of how the Baltimore Ravens chose to play coverage against T.J. Yates rather than try to disrupt him with pressure Sunday at M&T Bank Stadium

According to ESPN Stats and Info, Baltimore sent four or fewer rushers on 29 of Yates’ 35 dropbacks. On those plays, Yates was 13-for-29 for 121 yards with all three of his interceptions.

He also struggled on the sort of short stuff you’d expect to be his security blanket.

In the regular season, he hit on 66.3 percent of passes that traveled 10 yards or fewer with an average of 6 yards per attempt three touchdowns and one pick and a 31.6 first-down percentage.

Against the Ravens Sunday, he hit on just 47.6 percent of such throws, with 3.1 yards per attempts with no TDs and no picks and a first down just 19 percent of the time.

Because they quickly fell behind and had to play catchup, the Texans got away from their typical run-pass ratio. They called runs a league-high 52 percent of the time this year, but In Baltimore that was down to 44 percent.

The Texans finish the 2011 season with a 10-1 mark when they ran the ball more than half the time and 1-6 when they didn’t.

by willieboyd on Jan 16, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

You really have to think...

Owen’s hand was more of an issue than we thought it’d be.

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by TexansDC on Jan 16, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the Ravens just confused the hell out of him.

He resorted to the Andy Dalton-A.J. Green style of QBing.

by willieboyd on Jan 16, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I more meant the lack of a security blanket

Owen was a non-factor. Even the one catch he had looked awkward.

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by TexansDC on Jan 16, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah but 3 targets 2 catches. He should have gotten more chances.

More than Walter at least.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Except for a false start (really, Joel?)

Did Dreessen do anything yesterday?

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 16, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope

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by Hydroshock on Jan 17, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Not a result of being down early...

It’s a result of being down with three minutes to play. Our last seven plays were passes, as is natural when you’re down one score late in the fourth quarter. Leading up to our last two drives, they’d run 27 running plays and 28 passing plays. At no point were we imbalanced on offense.

by Nashmeister on Jan 16, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Like I said above that first INT he threw led straight to the second Ravens TD.

It was a horrible decision to throw that pass and the Texans never overcame that first one.

And it was 13-17 at half. The offensive pay calling was pretty even until the last couple drives by the Texans where they were trying to tie the game. He just had to many horrible passes throughout the game.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, no excuse for the first int.

It was expected, though. Ed Reed makes vets look bad, TJ didn’t have a chance.

by willieboyd on Jan 16, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

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by Hydroshock on Jan 17, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Will hold the defensive group together.

Also said the players truly enjoy being together and coming to work. That’s what they’ve been striving for since Kubes got here.

by willieboyd on Jan 16, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Amen to that

"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce

by Mumford on Jan 16, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

The transcript is up now.
(on how important it is to get Mario Williams re-signed to prevent a holdout) "You worry about things you control. I can’t control that. Those things will work themselves out. Everybody has a job to do in the organization. (general manager/executive vice president) Rick (Smith) and (vice president of football administration) Chris (Olsen) and those guys will go to work on that part in this time of year and the things they have to do. They have done a tremendous job; the help they went and got u, as a football team last year, was absolutely tremendous. We’re sitting here. We’re dealing with a great player. We’re dealing with a class young man and we all know we’d like him to be a part of our football team. We’d like that done tomorrow but that’s not how it works. It’s gonna take some time and we’ll just let the process take care of itself."

by willieboyd on Jan 16, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Funny that Kubiak a career backup QB never even considered a switch

Do I really care that we are going to hurt the career development of a kid who exceeded all expectations by benching him? As the season wound down I thought DelHomme should have gotten more looks. You don’t get that many chances to make it to the big dance, and nothing against TJ, he did great up to a point, but an NFL vet likely finds a way to win that game yesterday, considering how well our D and O Line played.

by Lefty Sully on Jan 16, 2012 12:12 PM CST reply actions  

I thought maybe he should have considered it when watching Yates in the 3rd quarter.

The coverage schemes the ravens were using were clearly confusing him. I know he opened up in the 2nd quarter but the entire second half he was just out of it.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, the schemes were confusing, but they almost never blitzed

They dared him to sit there in the pocket with all day and throw downfield. They played cover the whole day. Kubiak and Dennison should have adjusted and just ran, ran, ran all day and mix in some screens (they few that were called worked!). Of course, this is much easier to do without getting into a big hole…thanks Jacoby…uggh.

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by HTown24 on Jan 16, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I only recall one screen working

Several others failed horribly

by JBal on Jan 16, 2012 6:44 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

was Foster's one handed catch a screen?

That was sick as fuck

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by Hydroshock on Jan 17, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

It was a screen--and that catch probably saved the drive and led to the touchdown.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 17, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Was that on a sack that TJ got out of?

I remember that happening at least twice.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 17, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

T.J. was about to get creamed so the throw was high and off target. The catch was ridiculous. And the fact that he turned it into a gain is a testament to just how good 23 is.

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by Hydroshock on Jan 17, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

They didn't blitz because they were using complex schemes in their secondary.

Texans did run run run. But it wasn’t moving the ball effectively enough. They ran it nearly 30 times. Screen plays were largely ineffective except for a couple.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 17, 2012 2:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Do I really care that we are going to hurt the career development of a kid who exceeded all expectations by benching him?

i doubt that was Koob’s thought. Delhomme doesn’t know the offense as well and, furthermore, is an infamous turnover machine himself. Koob probably always felt TJ gave him the best shot to win.

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Jan 16, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

^^THIS^^

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Jan 16, 2012 11:01 PM CST up reply actions  

There's a reason why Delhomme was available.

Garcia as well.

People seem to lose sight of the fact that we lost our first two QB’s and punter late in the season, when you can’t make trades and the good FA’s are gone.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 17, 2012 8:31 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Get off of #25 (for now)

i really think he looked good in the ravens game. I know he was blown up for some big plays but those were amazing plays..he was in position (yeah its true, he was in position) in all of those big plays but he ball was thrown perfect and the receivers made incredible plays.

and you know he was in position because he looked back. THE RULE IS: only look back if your running side by side(not 3-5 yards back)….

i dont like KJ #25 but he showed me different in the ravens game. KUDOS KJ#25

2011 Season is the Reason!!!

by TexanSam on Jan 16, 2012 12:26 PM CST reply actions  

KJ probably called his mom

“Hey Mom, guess what?! Someone else screwed up and and no one yelled at me! No one yelled at me, Mom!”

by SubCrim on Jan 16, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Carter even took me out of his signature!

“I MADE IT MOMMA!!!”

CUT JACOBY JONES CUT JACOBY JONES CUT JACOBY JONES
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by Carter Liles on Jan 16, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I am sure

You were his entire inspiration to improve

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Marc Kahlberg

"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell

I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right

by Barryfromtexas on Jan 16, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

chess.

I thought for a moment, that Kubiak had masterminded the greatest setup in all of NFL history.

let me explain.

we start off with two balls to Andre, off the bat. so to me that is Koobz was of saying to the Ravens defense "im going to Dre all day.. better have two (or three) on em’ at all times. for the majority of the game we fed that theory, so we fast forward to the 4th quarter, from the 38 with time winding down. now because of how the game had played out to that point, in my mind, the reasonable thing to do is to play Dre to the weak side with the corner and Ed over the top, send Casey (or dressen if it’s the two tight end set) in motion to the strong side, and hit either him or Arian on the swingout. you had already set them up for it.

but then we did what they wanted us to do.. which is try and force one to Andre.

so close.. yet so far.

Koobz has come a long way with his coaching.. but he’s no Bill Walsh.

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Gob: It's not like envy, or even hungry...

by chrisd21 on Jan 16, 2012 12:35 PM CST reply actions  

You summed it up exactly

I told everyone within earshot during the game that we should have played the short game better. Short, high-percentage passes (slants) and swingouts or more screens. When we did that, it seemed like we got a lot of yards. Throwing deep should not have been the strategy, especially with Reed back there.

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by HTown24 on Jan 16, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

All aboard, on second thought

True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?

by WreckNTexan on Jan 16, 2012 12:38 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

WR2 draft...

Marvin McNutt out of Iowa?

Anyone seen him play college ball? He reminds me a bit of Andre Johnson. Tall. Quick. Good hands(not great, he’s dropped a few quality passes, but doesn’t normally happen). What are the chances the Texans draft him?

I've got nothin'...

by Bennyscrap on Jan 16, 2012 12:40 PM CST reply actions  

McNutt's my 2nd favorite behind Toon

Living in B1G country, I’ve seen a lot of them on TV and in person…big guys who can run routes and make quick cuts. Toon’s a bit more dynamic, but both come from run-heavy, teach the fundamental schools. Would really like either one.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Jan 16, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Not likely

They’ll look for someone in the 1st round. McNutt isn’t 1st round material.

Plus I think he'll be jumpy with the cameras overhead hoping another one doesn't fall on him

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Jan 17, 2012 12:57 AM CST up reply actions  

ruh roh
DanMathews610 Dan Mathews
Gary Kubiak on Jacoby Jones: “I’m not going to give up on a guy, because he made a mistake in a game.” #Texans #NFL

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by steelblue on Jan 16, 2012 12:45 PM CST reply actions  

Thats fine

Just make him the WR4 and draft another guy to return punts

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by Antho10000 on Jan 16, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

FFS, Koob, I hope you were just saying that to be kind to the poor guy.

I understand there’s no reason to be mean about it, but the time has come to give up on Jacoby.

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-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Jan 16, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats a perfect Coach Answer

Rick Smith on the other hand, needs to say our investment vs future investment. Bye Bye Jones

True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?

by WreckNTexan on Jan 16, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think Rick Smith really calls the shots on who stays and who goes. At least not 100%.

If Wade/Kubiak want somebody to stay or go that’s it. RS just has to make it happen.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Jan 16, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Doesn't matter if he calls the shots

All the coach has to do is give him the green light behind closed doors.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Jan 17, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes

Kubiak is the franchise mouth piece. He’s always going to say the right thing. Smith is the axe swinger.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Jan 17, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Sadly this is vintage Koobs

He tends to take too long to see the light. JJ is a failed experiment, not because of “one play” as he puts it, but because of years of mediocrity.

"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce

by Mumford on Jan 16, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

This

http://www.crawfishboxes.com

by OremLK on Jan 16, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Translation
I’m not a dick head. He’ll fail me in camp and not make the roster.

by MeMongo on Jan 16, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

There will be open competition in camp and Jones will fail to make the cut. And Kubs will go on about how so-and-so’s stand out play made it a really tough decision, but said young player earned the right to be on the roster, etc. etc.

I'm a man!! I'm forty!!

by Hydroshock on Jan 17, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Jacoby jones hate

God i hope jacoby is gone finally, if that wasnt glaringly obvious why i have hated him all this time hope your finally convinced, As for TJ, hes a rook, made rook mistakes, but c’mon man, whats his other option than dre?, only thing i didnt like is they were in good posisition to win and he had 2 full minutes left, would loved to have seen something simmilar to the pats 2 TE set and just nickle and dime them down for a td, much props to the DEfense, not letting them convert even inches

by Texans D3str0y on Jan 16, 2012 12:50 PM CST reply actions  

Signing Mario

This will probably be the most impactful thing the Texans can do this offseason. And, i don’t want to try to steal anyone’s thunder on this, because as I write this, I’m sure bfd, MDC, or another one of the talented writers at BRB are pursuing this topic. But, here’s what I see happening. The Texans will try to resign him. Now the Texans have the bargaining advantage, which is a good thing, because it increases their odds of keeping Mario. Keeping Mario is the best of any world. He adds leadership, quality and depth to an already good and deep squad. No denying that. He a a true impact player in this D before he was injured. When he comes back, he will be every bit as impacting. What hurts his bargaining position is that he has ended the last two seasons on IR. Also, the team has done well in his absence. While they want him back, if he doesn’t come back, this train is not stopping. It is moving ahead. Mario must realize that. Now, he has to decide; does he want to be here and how much is he willing to sacrifice from his paycheck to be here. Because, there’s a good chance that this is his last significant chance to negotiate a big contract. His other choice is to not come to terms for a new contract, in which case, the team would have to franchise him to keep him. Franchising would cost over $22 million, I think. I don’t think the team is willing to do that. So, if Mario wants to go elsewhere because he isn’t offered enough by the Texans in negotiations, then I think we will be saying goodbye to Mario. And, that’s where I think the Mario situation is going. We’ll see which direction it takes.

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by Rip Jersey on Jan 16, 2012 12:50 PM CST reply actions  

Chris Meyers

Arian

We have major business to take care of even before draft speculation

True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?

by WreckNTexan on Jan 16, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

b) 30 to 40 lbs to Watt or Smith to enable them to play NT, or

Lets all continue to not understand what is required of a NT in wade phillips defense! Hurray!

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 16, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I am almost alone in this thought

but, Cody did not suck at NT. Sure, he was not dominant and don’t we all want that. But, this D, overall, was dominant. I am not saying the NT position couldn’t be upgraded by any means. But, if Sean Cody is still there come next season, I will look at it as a position that was not a situation where improvement was desperately required.

"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster

by Rip Jersey on Jan 16, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think our team desperately needs anything other then health

NT just seems like one of the 3 starting positions that could be “easily” upgraded.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 16, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

/signed

let’s get turf installed now please

by MeMongo on Jan 16, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

But the Texans W/L ratio on turf

is not good :P

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Marc Kahlberg

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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 16, 2012 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Texans wouldn't play on that turf

It would be used for other games to be played on so the Texans grass isn’t torn up on game day

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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Jan 17, 2012 12:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Let's continue to ignore the fact that...

Exactly the same group of players was available to Phillips during training camp and he CHOSE to play Cody and Mitchell at NT over both Smith and Watt.

Let’s all continue to assume that WE know exactly what “it takes” means, since we’re all “in agreement” that “BRB group think” is “fact”.

I’ll end my smart ass retort to a smart ass retort with this… Though the NT is single gap responsible and trying to get upfield, he still must maintain gap integrity on inside runs, even with CONSTANT double team and combo blocking in iso situations. So to simplify… He must have ASS, IN ABUNDANCE. Either a big body or lower leverage. Cody and Mitchell fall into the latter category.

I’ll put you in the same category of folks who assume that Brooks Reed can play ILB… Clueless, regarding what is required by position…

by ahem! on Jan 16, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

ah yes the

“wade didn’t choose to start a rookie at OLB immedietly so therefore this is the only way the current personnel we have could possibly play even though watt and smith slide inside all the time anyways” argument. Well done!

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 16, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I have not seen them slide inside

on base defense. They slide inside in Nickle and Dime packages. Not the same thing, unless by the same logic, you are saying Brice McCain is coming in at OLB.

Smith and Watt aren’t traditional ‘anchor’ guys. If you look at historically at undersized guys Wade plays at NT… It’s lower leverage guys, like Ratliff that are capable.

Also, why wouldn’t he start a rookie at OLB? Reed’s relative skill set at his position is graded much higher than Cody’s relative skill set at HIS position. He started Watt, why not Reed?

Oh? You don’t know? Let me explain… All of these guys aren’t interchangeable. Each position has minimal requirements, in pivotal areas. Watt would get blown off by NFL guards/center combos who typically have much lower leverage than the taller tackles.

How about instead of the typical “loogit you, you disagree, I’m right, haha!” response, you come up with something intelligent, not snarky, and have a reasoned debate on the topic.

by ahem! on Jan 16, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

get over yourself

I’ve discussed it in depth elsewhere, and you have been nothing but an ass here, so no, I don’t think I will bother continuing to discuss this with you.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Jan 16, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

More to the point...

The two best NT that Phillips has coached since 1990 are Ted Washington and Jamal Williams (with a hat tip to Ratliff). Both are 350+. The only NT he’s ever coached as tall as Watt was Ted Washington.

I agree, I’m an ass… which is why I entered a thread with a condescending tone. Pick your balls up and run along, now. You don’t want to be late for dinner.

by ahem! on Jan 16, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

You forgot Curly Culp

"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg

"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell

I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right

by Barryfromtexas on Jan 16, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagree and I don't have to go too far back to disprove this

Watt would get blown off by guards and centers? Did you watch the game yesterday?

Did you see how he whipped Marshall Yanda yesterday when the Texans went nickel and dime? One of the best guards in football?

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Jan 16, 2012 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

He said guard/center combos.

It’s a different beast. Not sure why this even up for debate seeing as it would be absolutely insane to move a guy (Watt) who has proven to be among the league’s best at his position. But his length and quickness aren’t going to be much of an asset when he’s getting jammed by a center and a guard off the snap. He doesn’t play as low as you’d like from your NT.

by Nashmeister on Jan 16, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Could he do it?

YES.

Is he better suited where he’s at?

YES.

Would he be an improvement over Cody or Mitchell? I’m not sure. I think we have better depth at the DE spot. If Wade wanted to play him inside, he could have.

Also, the NT gets trapped, combo’d and doubled almost every inside run. As a really tall guy, would he be able to drop and split that effectively? I don’t know. I defer to Wade on that..

by ahem! on Jan 16, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh I'm happy where he's at

and I defer to Wade’s genius on this….but when I see Watt play I’m reminded of Justin Smith and wouldn’t be opposed to seeing Wade move him around like the 49ers do the 1st team All Pro DE/2nd team All Pro DT.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Jan 16, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Just wait...

until they take him through the off season strength training program… He’s still SO young.

He actually reminds me more of Ray Childress, because he’s longer. I was surprised that Watt weighs 290. He looks smaller than that. I guess, because he’s 6’5", he carries it different.

by ahem! on Jan 16, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

You mean he will someday run a car dealership into the ground?

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 16, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Which one was that?

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"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 16, 2012 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Finger...

He was involved… I don’t know if he was still a part of it, when they went out of business (or whatever happened that they ceased operation as Finger)

by ahem! on Jan 16, 2012 10:31 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

My understanding is that they re-branded as Ashley.

The old didn’t go out of business. They may have made a very bad decision, but the company still exists.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 16, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

They went through a reorganization, I believe.

I read an article about it… I’ll try to find it.

by ahem! on Jan 16, 2012 10:45 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Looks like we were both right about the history.

I had no idea that Ray “Clobber” Childress was involved that.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 17, 2012 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

"Longer"

The high road… You took it.

by ahem! on Jan 16, 2012 10:22 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Shaun Cody got beaten yesterday on nearly every snap.

The defense’s success doesn’t mean that every player is untouchable.

All anyone has to do is watch Shaun Cody to see that he’s not doing his job and the only reason that it’s not worse is because Brian Cushing is among the best linebackers in football.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Jan 16, 2012 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

My collective point was more along the lines that Watt or Smith aren’t ‘plug and play’ fits for NT.

That position isn’t one that is going to cause havoc, unless you have an exceptional player there… but with the necessary tool set. If Cody simply plugs one gap and isn’t blown back, then it’s a success. His shortcomings have been (somewhat) covered up by Cushing and the two ends.

by ahem! on Jan 16, 2012 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

TDC said it, so it must be true

and Wade Phillips is a fool

"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster

by Rip Jersey on Jan 16, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

TDC said it, I believe it, that settles it

:P

A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving

by Foster Child on Jan 17, 2012 6:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Why would anyone want to move Smith or Watt?

They are great 3-4 DE’s. GREAT. I didn’t see our lack of a GREAT NT hurting us this year. By moving Watt or nmith you now have a non-great NT and a non-great DE. Keep your Great players where they are great. See Cushing’s move to MLB, and Mario’s movements up and down the line in his first years.

by McAggie on Jan 17, 2012 7:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm expecting that Mario's contract should be built in such a way that he's paid MIGHTILY

if he plays in the post season. or base his pay on how many games he actually plays. Because honestly, it’s folly to pay him monster bucks with no strings attached. He’s been getting injured more often that we like. We shouldn’t have to pay big bucks for him to sit on IR.

I agree. he’s a leader and an excellent player. He demands two people take him out of the play. He’s why Antonio Smith was doing so many sacks before the injury.

If anyone is capable of writing a contract that can satisfy Mario and and the Texans, it will be Rick Smith. The man is a genius when it comes to contracts. The only thing I worry about is how much of a greedy bastard is his agent? Is his agent someone like Namdi Asomougah’s? That guy cost Namdi a great team. OR Namdi cost Namdi a great team ;-).

Either way, so long as the agent isn’t a complete asshole, we should be ok in the negotiations. The playoff run should be a HUGE selling point for Rick Smith to Mario Williams. Mario already knows what type of an organization we run. I think he can trust that if he puts trust in Rick Smith and Mr. McNair, they’ll take care of their star players.

#Texans2011 — Where reality and dreams collide!
~~ Fuzion
"This is a grown dog’s game. Ain’t no puppies out here." ~~ Cushing #56 to Antonio Smith #94

by BattleRedFan on Jan 18, 2012 2:14 AM CST up reply actions  

and Mario strikes me as a VERY smart guy.

at least smarter than Namdi was
and certainly smarter than Dunta

#Texans2011 — Where reality and dreams collide!
~~ Fuzion
"This is a grown dog’s game. Ain’t no puppies out here." ~~ Cushing #56 to Antonio Smith #94

by BattleRedFan on Jan 18, 2012 2:17 AM CST up reply actions  

be proud of this team. Check out the stats

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics

I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali

by steelblue on Jan 16, 2012 1:03 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

nice =)

#Texans2011 — Where reality and dreams collide!
~~ Fuzion
"This is a grown dog’s game. Ain’t no puppies out here." ~~ Cushing #56 to Antonio Smith #94

by BattleRedFan on Jan 18, 2012 2:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I hate to tell you this TDC...
We can find a more talented and/or promising player, so there is no reason that Jacoby Jones should be a Texan in 2011

But I guarantee you, that Jones will be a Texan in 2011.
/smartass

Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Dallas’ misery will always be my delight
-TexansDC

by Jon Banks on Jan 16, 2012 1:07 PM CST reply actions  

I guarantee you, that Jones will be a Texan in 2011…. as in playing for the Cowpukes

"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster

by Rip Jersey on Jan 16, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I Don't Think So

I really think this team needs a good slot receiver for passing situations. That to me is the missing link for the offense

by kozanack on Jan 16, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

........

Seriously? No one got it? It’s 2012 now! Jones is guaranteed to be a 2011 Texan because 2011 has passed.

Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Dallas’ misery will always be my delight
-TexansDC

by Jon Banks on Jan 16, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

/smh

"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg

"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell

I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right

by Barryfromtexas on Jan 16, 2012 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

An advantage that I never thought i would see for a Houston Sports Team...

Athletes WANT to play for the Texans now…. Its going to be a great few years guys…. So pumped!!!

by Texan5513 on Jan 16, 2012 1:54 PM CST reply actions  

It Will be Hard to Get In

The texans are a young team with depth. No reason to gamble signing suspect players

by kozanack on Jan 16, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Kubes on Monday
(on what happened on the first interception QB T.J. Yates threw in the fourth quarter) "Well, first off, I’ve seen somebody say that he checked into a play. I don’t know who wrote that, but that could not be further from the truth. T.J. ran the play we called. It came right after the two-minute warning. He ran the exact play that we called and his read told him to throw the go route if they played one safety. He did exactly what he was supposed to do. He just got a little lazy with his feet. He took two hitches and wasn’t able to keep Ed Reed at home and he covered a lot of ground and made the play. But the kid got the ball where it was supposed to go. It just got there late."

by willieboyd on Jan 16, 2012 2:11 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

That "check into a play"

Was from Kubes’ own after game presser…

http://prod.www.texans.clubs.nfl.com/tv-media/videos/NFL-Network-Texans-postgame-press-conference/00ed627a-1521-4544-a816-361fcb400510

right after the 5:25 mark…

"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg

"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell

I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right

by Barryfromtexas on Jan 16, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

ahhh thank you for this quotation
He just got a little lazy with his feet. He took two hitches and wasn’t able to keep Ed Reed at home and he covered a lot of ground and made the play. But the kid got the ball where it was supposed to go. It just got there late."

that makes alot of sense.

#Texans2011 — Where reality and dreams collide!
~~ Fuzion
"This is a grown dog’s game. Ain’t no puppies out here." ~~ Cushing #56 to Antonio Smith #94

by BattleRedFan on Jan 18, 2012 2:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Delhomme
(on what he learned about QB T.J. Yates from yesterday’s game) "You learn one, that Ed Reed is very good. You got to know where he’s at on every play. The kid’s learned more these last six, seven, eight games, whatever it is that he’s played than I promise you he did all year long. The kid won a playoff game. That’s so hard to do. You look back at the history of this game, there’s many quarterbacks, some decent quarterbacks that have never won a playoff game. This kid, what he learned this year, he can take with him forever and it will make him that much better. He’ll know what he needs to work on in the offseason, physically, because it’s very demanding. It’s totally different than college and just things of that nature, how fast the game is and I think you’ll see a guy that’s going to play quicker than anyone else in the preseason next year whenever he does get in."

by willieboyd on Jan 16, 2012 2:14 PM CST reply actions  

Rackers is a FA.
(on being a free agent) "I want to be a Texan. Great organization, great teammates, obviously great ball club. We can’t control what happens there. The business side of it is what it is. If the Texans want me and I’m back here, I would love that."

by willieboyd on Jan 16, 2012 2:16 PM CST reply actions  

second best tackler on special teams (behind Brahman)

and kicks a pretty straight ball most of the time

just needs to get some strength back to push those 50’s better

by MeMongo on Jan 16, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Kubes
(on all the players being excited for next season) "The checkout process this morning has been extremely positive. Our guys are down with what happened yesterday, but they’re very upbeat about their football team. I don’t think in all my years in this business, this day comes no matter what, whether you win a championship or whether you don’t, you got to check players out for the season, I’ve never been around a group of guys talk more positive about each other, about their teammates, how good a locker room we had, what type of football team we had, how they can’t wait to go back and play with that group of guys. That’s what we’ve been after here in Houston and that’s why we took some big steps and obviously we took the biggest step this year that we’ve taken as a franchise, but I think it is also important, I also told the players, the biggest thing is do we come out of this thing hungrier next year? Obviously it felt great to play in these playoffs. We have a taste of that. We know what it’s like, but this will probably be our biggest offseason because we will have to step it up. If we want to get there and we want to win a championship, there’s another big step for us to take. I had some great meetings. I actually met with DeMeco (Ryans) and Andre (Johnson) together and we talked about that. Those are the type of guys that will have to lead the way when we get started here in a couple months."

by willieboyd on Jan 16, 2012 2:21 PM CST reply actions  

This makes me happy

Foster has been catching some slack because he walked off on his own towards the end of the game, but I really believe he was just frustrated and I am willing to bet he was not the only one. The Texans have to feel like they were the better team yesterday and should have won it, but they let it get away. I hope this fuels the fire for next year. I hope that the fact that they got so close to making it to the AFC Championship game makes them more hungry than ever and pushes them to another level next year. They now know that they can do it and what it will take to make it a reality. Will they? We will see…

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by Mumford on Jan 16, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Foster was just angry he didn't get more carries or any passes with the game on the line.

I can’t say that I blame him and it’s a good trait to have in a star player.

I’m sure he’s over it by now and if he isn’t, it’s more fuel to his fire.

by willieboyd on Jan 16, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Foster is just a different personality

We can put up with that guy. The team wants that guy. They love that guy. That’s the gist of it.

Schreeeeeeeeeeeee-eeeee-eee-e!!!!!!!!!

"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster

by Rip Jersey on Jan 16, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

This is going to be a looooooong offseason

We thought last offseason was long. Hah.

-- "...I was sick, napping, and then woke up and came to the computer to read a note from the Gingered Angel of Doom..." Martek - Dynamo Theory Blog

by Fuzion on Jan 16, 2012 2:34 PM CST reply actions  

was thinking this earlier...

while listening to the rockets game on the radio. ugh.

Michael: The feeling that you're feeling is what many of us call...a feeling.
Gob: It's not like envy, or even hungry...

by chrisd21 on Jan 16, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Trooth.

I’m already pacing the floor.

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Jan 16, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah but at least with THIS offseason there will be OTA's and other stuff after the draft

the 2011 offseason was truncated beyond recognition or usefulness.

sooo we’ll have so much more to enjoy in the long run ;-).

lots of happy people =)

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by BattleRedFan on Jan 18, 2012 2:34 AM CST up reply actions  

How about Turk

He can’t be forgotten he blew every effin opportunity to flip the field

by texan80 on Jan 16, 2012 7:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Because excellent punters are found on the street in week 13 or whatever it was.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 16, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

The players we have coming back from injury could make a bad team good.

What if you added Schaub, Mario, Sharpton, Hartman and Stoddard to the Jaquars?

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
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by FreedomRide on Jan 16, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Tarps that are thrilled to cover a win.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 16, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

lol

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Jan 17, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Cheers.

We’ll see you guys in Houston next season at least.

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by Synchysi on Jan 16, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Let me say this before I read anyone elses posts.

I agree 1000% about TJ. Yes he was the biggest reason we lost Sunday, but he did a hell of a job getting us to that point. The rookie just had to show up sooner or later. Unfortunately the rookie picked the AFC divisional round playoff game to do it.

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Jan 16, 2012 10:20 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Just heard on KHOU that San Diego is already talking about trying to get Mario.

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 16, 2012 10:31 PM CST reply actions  

Not really necessary.

Can’t trade a guy you don’t have under contract.

GET A SILK BAG FROM THE GRAVEYARD DUCK TO LIVE LONGER.

by Synchysi on Jan 16, 2012 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely no reason for the Chargers or Mario to go through with that.

This isn’t the NBA where you can get paid more for re-signing with the same franchise. The Texans would be the only beneficiary of that situation. The Chargers would be better off going after Mario directly, and there’s no incentive for Mario to insist on a sign-and-trade.

Aside from all that, player-for-player deals are rare in the NFL. Draft picks are the usual compensation.

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by Synchysi on Jan 16, 2012 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

If he has to leave, I can think of worse places for him.

Such as anywhere else in the AFC South.

GET A SILK BAG FROM THE GRAVEYARD DUCK TO LIVE LONGER.

by Synchysi on Jan 16, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

The Jumble

For me it rates right up there with the rosencopter, and that is probably my worst Texans memory. I was actually pulling for Sage at the time. =(

by The Mills on Jan 17, 2012 12:15 AM CST reply actions  

Get on Special Teams in general

Not just Jacoby but Matt Shank-a-potamus Turk. I really appreciate the Hitman now more than ever. Hope his knee heals up and he’s ready to go next season.
As for Rackers, tough break on the short FG but he’s not a concern IMO.

by HabitualHoustonFan on Jan 17, 2012 7:29 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

Rackers short FG was 50yds.

While every NFL kicker should be able to hit from 50 about half the time, it was not a short kick. This pretty much shows why Kubiak didn’t have him try the 50yarder during the OT game, that he got such flak for. Rackers is only good for 50+ in certain conditions. He had the wind, but not the leg.

by McAggie on Jan 17, 2012 8:09 AM CST reply actions  

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