An in Depth Look at our WRs and the WRs of the 2012 NFL Draft
The one position that lacks talent ( except for one player that has enough talent for an entire receiving corps) and depth is wide receiver. Kevin Walter has been a fine WR2 for this team, he has done everything that he has needed to do ( be open over the middle, block and most importantly, actually catch the ball) and has also made some very good plays over the years. However he is not the answer for the future. Andre Johnson is the only talented receiver on our roster and it seems the only position Gary Kubiak can't get a nobody and turn him into a player is wide receiver. Andre Johnson has been the only very good or better receiver in franchise history. I think Kubiak needs to have some actual talent at WR because it seems he hasn't molded WRs ( Dorin Dickerson, Jacoby Jones, ETC) like other positions on offense. So here is my take on the WR in the 2012 draft.
1. Justin Blackmon: Oklahoma State University, JR
Measurables: 6-1, 215 lbs, 40: 4.54
Strengths: Hands, Route Running, Work Ethic
Weaknesses: Blocking, Might be a System Player
Verdict: Blackmon is probably the safest WR in the draft. No off-field issues, good work ethic and talented. However he does not have the upside that even some of the other WRs in this draft have. He does not have blazing speed compared to other receivers and isn't even as fast as some receivers fifteen pounds heavier than him. He does run very good NFL routes and has a very good pair of hands but he isn't big, tall and fast ( Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson) and he isn't Big, Tall and a sick pair of hands ( AJ Green, Larry Fitzgerald). Justin Blackmon will be good and has a very high floor but just how tall is his ceiling?
Projected Round: Top 10 Pick
2. Michael Floyd: Notre Dame, SR

Measurables: 6-3, 224 lbs, 40: 4.54
Strengths: Hands, Size, Route Running
Weaknesses: Character, Drops
Verdict: The only thing holding Michael Floyd back right now is a couple DUIs and a slightly better 40 time. Floyd really is a bigger and taller Justin Blackmon. The difference is Blackmon is a very good member of the community and plays in a more pass-happy system. Floyd has a higher ceiling than Blackmon because of his height but he could really go the way of Adam " Pac-Man" Jones and be a complete bust.
Projected Round: Top 20 Pick
3. Alshon Jeffery: South Carolina, JR
Measurables: 6-4, 229 lbs, 40: 4.5
Strengths: Size, Hands
Weaknesses: Slow Burst, Work Ethic, Route Running, Character Issues ( fight in his last collegiate game)
Verdict: To be honest I think their is more chance Jeffery busts than Floyd. When looking his name up on other scouting services I see the word fat, overweight, slow and poor route running far too often and the only consolation offered is tall and big. I do not want to see him holding a Texans jersey on the first day of the NFL Draft.
Projected Round: 1st
T4. Kendall Wright: Baylor University, SR

Measurables: 5-10, 190 lbs, 40: 4.42
Strengths: Speed, Burst
Weaknesses: Occasional Drops, Size
Verdict: I do like Wright as a prospect, especially if he turns in a better 40 at the combine ( I believe he will). However he is not what Houston needs at the moment so I won't delve deeper into the subject. Quite Frankly we don't need a slot receiver right now, we need someone who reminds us that the WR2 position isn't just an over glorified blocker or kick returner.
Projected Round: 1st
T4. Dwight Jones: North Carolina University, SR

Measurables: 6-4, 225 lbs, 40: 4.53
Strengths: Size, Burst, Route Running
Weaknesses: Occasional Drops
Verdict: I really like him. He is a quality receiver in an offense similar to our own. He is big, he is reportedly faster than his current 40 and he can run routes. He is the next best all around receiver after Michael Floyd but doesn't bring the off-field issues. He would definitely be worth a first round pick if it comes to that.
Projected Round: 1-2
T4. Mohamed Sanu: Rutgers, JR

Measurables: 6-2, 215 lbs, 40 4.5
Strengths: Hands, Route Running, Character, Work Ethic
Weaknesses: Lacks Elite Speed
Verdict: I really like Sanu too. His coach describes him as a selfless player with a good work ethic. He has good hands and is a good route runner. He is actually a receive and not just an athlete. I love the kind of value him and Jones bring.
Projected Round: 1-2
Comparisons: Height Weight 40 Time Projected Round
Justim Blackmon: 6-1, 215 lbs, 40: 4.54, Top 10
Michael Floyd: 6-3, 224 lbs, 40: 4.54, Top 20
Alshon Jeffery: 6-4, 229 lbs, 40: 4.50, 1st
Kendall Wright: 5-10, 190 lbs, 40: 4.42, 1st
Dwight Jones: 6-4, 225 lbs, 40:4.53, 1-2
Mohamed Sanu: 6-2, 215 lbs, 40 4.50, 1-2
So what should we do? My personal preference is our first round pick be traded or be used on BPA. Then we wait for Jones or Sanu to be drafted, then we take whichever is left. They are both phenomenally underrated. I personally like Sanu slightly more than Jones because of his work ethic and character and being an overall receiver but Jones looks like he could be the next Andre because of his size.
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Between two similarly graded players...
Gimme the guy who’s going to work harder because that’s what makes the difference between a good pro and a great pro. Sanu would be my 1st round choice, at the moment. Although Toon’s my #1 choice because I think he’s being underrated.
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Toon is my #2 choice, right behind Dwight Jones
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"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 17, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
Why isn't Toon in the mix in this comparison?
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by Ezekiel 25 17 on Jan 17, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
I'm wondering that myself
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by The Night Owl on Jan 17, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
He's not a 1st round grade would be my grade
Heck, I’ve seen some mocks where he inexplicably is in the 3rd round (and going to us! :D)
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i think the biggest aspect of getting a WR out of this draft
is the ability to run block. so really, that leaves toon, sanu, and jones as the most viable options because they’ve actually done it. id really take any of those 3, but i think sanu might end up being the best of the 3. scouting report (and watching a highlight reel here and there) talks up his great hands and route running. combine that with his run blocking and youve got yourself a better, faster kevin walter. he may not have that “elite” speed, but he plays much faster than his 40 time is, which is just as crucial.
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by grandmasteroz on Jan 17, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
However Jones knows the system already
He would be the most seamless fit
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 17, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
real talk
i wouldnt be upset with either. chemistry could be an important aspect for sure.
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by grandmasteroz on Jan 17, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Have not seen much on Sanu.
but hearing good things about him. Only bad thing i hear is his speed. I am for Dwight, Toon. Do you guys think we would look at this rueben randle kid from LSU? I think after last year Terrance Tolliver deal we will not.
Nah, I think we'll look one WR in the draft & one in FA
My guess is Dwight Jones & Eddie Royal would be a nice combo to pick up. Lestar Jean & Jeff Maehl will compete for the #4 spot. My guess is that both Jacoby & Kevin Walter will be gone. I say Walter is gone because I think he’ll be a cap casualty
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by The Night Owl on Jan 17, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
You know
I’ve been warming up to Dwight Jones. He runs a very similar system at Carolina and he looks pretty good. You bring up a good point with K Dub, I am not sure how much hes making but if he’s willing to take a pay cut then I’m all for him staying.
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by Catallac392 on Jan 17, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
The thing people are forgetting is that Kubes will keep his guys.
He will try anything he can to keep walter. One person i think we will lose is dressen.
i think we could lose dressen as well
after seeing casey at fullback, my guess is he gets moved back to TE. which sucks, because i really like dressen. but graham can take over TE3 and casey can be moved back to his more natural TE position. OD and casey together on the field in 2 TE sets? wow, thats a match up problem of epic proportions.
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by grandmasteroz on Jan 17, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
Yea i think that will be the best thing to do for us.
Would hate to see Dressen gone but we have other prorities then investing in another TE. I would say go ahead and keep vickers he has shown he can lead block for arian.
in most drafts it seems easier to get value at the TE position than most others
If we got 1 or 2 talented TE’s in the draft and started going with 3 TE formations, it would lessen the need for WR’s. I wouldnt be opposed to going that direction. In fact I kind of like the idea.
on top of that
kubiak seems to be able to find good TE that fit the system in late rounds. seems as though the only position on offense kubiak cant coach all the way up is receivers.
could it be time for a new WR coach?
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by grandmasteroz on Jan 17, 2012 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
Different thougts
I say walter stays for his work ethic and his blocking ability. I think the Texans staff likes him and what he does, and his ability to always play. Hes a good pass catcher and route runner, but hes not a world beater. Besdies our #2 option is going to bea a TE 80% of the time.
Becuase of our reliance on TE’s (you can run and pass using them, keeping the plays simple and disguised) i think we will go for a slot reciver like Wright. Even if we get Jones (who i voted for) he may play in the slot his first year to learn the NFL and develop his abilites.
If the WR we pick plays in a slot he can run a post clearing out a the Nickle Back from the center allowing for eaiser passes to a TE to pick up the yards. Furthermore if the nickle gets beat you have a safety pulling his way to keep containment. If for what ever reason a safety or a LB has to guard him (say during a blitz) you have an auotmatic mismatch (either wright or jones will sufice). Thoughts?
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck."
-Don Shula
Walter should stay (restructure his deal) and he'd be a boon lining up in the slot....
Motioning to and fro. I’d really like that.
"Lord, beer me strength."
have you ever seen walter in the slot?
besides in cincy? seem like when we went 3 WR’s jacoby was always the slot guy, never could figure that out.
also remember
a good WR block is the differance in a 3 or 4 yard run and a 10 yard run.
"Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck."
-Don Shula
I like me some Dwight Jones.
Though I do have a question: was Hakeem Nicks awesome in college? And if so, did North Carolina have the same WR coach? Nicks is polished, but then again, the Giants have a knack for getting the most out of their receivers.
Either way, Jones is a big target who should be able to win in a jump ball situation. If his route-running is anything like Nicks’, he’d be a hell of a pick.
Not sure about if nicks was a star.
You have to also think they put out Greg Little for the browns too. if only he had a QB to get it to him.
NIcks was really good at UNC
They weren’t a top 25 team, but he had a ton of amazing catches. His catch in the Bowl game against West Virginia was one of the top catches of the year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2ikDsi-DJA
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Great post
very informative. For some reason, I thought Blackmon was a beast. 6-1? I was picturing at least 6-4.
I agree with your idea of Jones or Sanu, in a vacuum, that we’re locked into WR. But if the trade down doesn’t work, neither are picked, and there’s a beast on the defensive side we could get, I’d go get BPA. I think Toon would work as well, so we really have the ability to wait until the second round if it works out like we think it will.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
Trade up and get Blackmon
he’s the best risk/reward in the list and we (FINALLY) don’t need quantity in the draft, but need to target quality.
Consider what ’Dre did for the Texans over the last decade. A high impact WR to compliment our running game and take pressure off ’Dre (and eventually push in behind him) should be a huge goal right now.
Also, consider how completely inept the Ravens would have been
(even MORE inept) on offense without Boldin and Smith lining up.
If Blackmon were close to being another 'Dre, I'd say yeah, do it,
but he’s not. This draft is so WR-rich, I’m in favor of trading back into the 2nd round.
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-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
this
when AJ came out, the draft class (from what i remember anyways) didnt have the depth of talent as this WR class does. however, i feel like this class has a lot of good quality possession receivers. something that favors the texans obviously. we still need someone who can stretch the field though.
bring back mighty mouse holiday! /sarcasm
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by grandmasteroz on Jan 17, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
Caveat: depending on how the 1st round goes, of course.
If there’s a big run on WRs, we’ll have to grab our guy at 26, if he’s there.
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-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Ask the Falcons how that turned out
I wouldn’t risk it. A very deep WR class and you can relatively get a 1st rounder in many other draft classes in the 2-3 round with this class.
I voted for Jones because of his size and the system he played in
Sanu sounds like a great guy, so I’d be happy with him as well. Work ethic and character are things that I believe Kubiak loves in his players. After reading Kubiak’s presser yesterday, I’m somewhat suspicious that Jacoby Jones stays around another season (we’ll certainly see), but with the cap where it’s at, I can see him cut easily.
The prospects at wide receiver seem to better in the late 1st to 2nd rounds. I think other guys are getting more looks just because of their soon to be alma mater rather than skills, though Blackmon is easily a high first round. I really hope we go with solid gentlemen like Jones and Sanu when we pick a WR.
Just read up on a scouting report of Nick Toon. I love what I’m hearing. Although he’s not extremely quick, this is what stood out to me:
Toon also never traps passes against his frame, and uses great fundamentals to make catches
That is what you want in a receiver, sure hands and grabs the ball instead of letting it come to him.
My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.
wright is the best value
but he will blow up at the combine and be gone before we pick
Im actually leaning towards a guy like broyles in the 3-5 round range, sign reggie wayne and a #2 CB, cut JJ and Kareem.
broyles could return punts and be your #3, and then you can try to find a true #1 later on when andre is 33-35
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That's what I think.
As attractive as the Texans’ prospects look for the next couple of seasons, Reggie already has his ring. He will be looking for the biggest payday, and you can’t blame him.
Still, the idea of having 87 lining up on the other side from 80 is kind of intoxicating, I must admit.
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-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
I mean reggie has been getting paid nicely but.....
who knows what he may be thinking. I would not want him personally but thats just me.
Right: I don't see spending the money when we have our FAs to take care of.
But I can dream, can’t I?
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So much can play into this.
I mean Andre has reached out to other players to come to Houston, maybe this time it will work who knows.
Interesting. Hadn't thought about that aspect.
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-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
I think Broyles would be a perfect fit for this system.
Even better is we could get him in the 3rd-5th round. We need an inside slot receiver with great route running to open up the middle of the field. Cue in Ryan Broyles. I think we might spend a 2nd rounder and 4th rounder on WR while the 1st and 3rd rounders be used for NT/Oline
I don't think Broyles is a fit
He’s small & I’m not sure how his blocking skills are
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by The Night Owl on Jan 18, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Say i am going to go agianst the grain here.
I know it may not happen but if Jonathan Martin drops let say late teens, would you move up to take one of the best Left tackles? We can always get a WR in later rounds so many good ones out there. Now with that said if we do that would you move Brown to Guard or RT and let Eric winston go?
Let Winston go? Oh, HELL no.
I’ve cussed him more than once for whiffing on a speed rusher, but he is still one of the best RTs in the league. I guarantee you the Colts would love to have him.
Now, if there was some way we could sneak up and take David DeCastro, I would be totally down with that.
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-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Yea i dont think Winston is going anywhere either.
Just wanted to put a lil twist in this stuff, getting tired of hearing about the WR’s.
Wiston
Winston is not going anywhere. With the TX line being what it is, i doubt you break it up. Chemistry is important, very important. Get some guys later in the draft that can be rotational players to thicken it out.
I never realy thought about trading back into round 2. A lot of peope would love to have anothe 1st round and with that we could secure thier second round and possible a 3rd or a 1st the following year. With enough WRs in the draft if we offer up a 1st round slot to an early picking team we can take who we want early in the second and still get possible 1st round value (cuz there are alot of good WRs). Being able to pick in the later rounds twice for developmental/rotational/or players who lost value is genius.
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-Don Shula
i think the only oline spot that we could probably pick up is G
and thats more for depth and an eventual replacement for wade smith. he is close to 30 so itd be nice to get a mid rounder in there to learn the system. and maybe another center somewhere down the line for depth behind myers.
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by grandmasteroz on Jan 17, 2012 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
Texans trade their #1 to the Browns for their #2 this year and #2 next year.
Browns trade THREE #1s this year to the Rams and take RGIII. Fisher loads up on studs in his first draft and turns the Rams around in 2 seasons.
Texans get their WR in this draft and have a high #2 next year, since the Browns will continue to suck, having lots of QBs with no one to throw to. Distraught Browns fan does another video outside the stadium.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
2012 salaries
Antonio Smith making 8,000,000
Kevin Walter 3,500,000
Eric Winston 5,500,000
DeMeco Ryans 7,150,000
Kareem Jackson 2,013,000
Matt Leinart 3,000,000
Some pretty easy decisions in that list.
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-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Hope we can get Antonio and maybe Kevin to restructure
probably Meco as well. Cut Leinart
i would imagine
that smith would be more than willing to take a bigger up front bonus money that wont hit the cap to stay around. he wants his ring more than the money i think. and i think he knows this team is on the cusp of a nice run, so he might be inclined to take less cap money in order to make another run at the ring.
besides, hes a ninja. and ninjas are awesome like that.
Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
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by grandmasteroz on Jan 17, 2012 11:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting numbers
Trade: Leinart
Keep: K-Jax (that’s cheap for a corner in development), Winston, Walter
Restructure: Antonio and DeMeco
Leinart has no trade value. He's getting cut
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"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 18, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
A player people ar sleeping on is Marvin Mcnutt from Iowa
He’s the type of WR Kubiak likes. He’s 6’4" 215. He started as a QB, but switched to WR. he had over 1300 yards recieving last year and 12 TD’s. Iowa plays more of a pro style offense, so those numbers are huge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2ikDsi-DJA
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
my bad, wrong link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzDog7j9ziE
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
O trust me i know alot about McNutt
i like his game alot too. the one person people sleeping on is Brian Quick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh5X0_c1DZo
Later rounds, maybe.
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by FreedomRide on Jan 18, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
I've seen some mocks that have him going in the 3rd
However his draft stock will be dependent on the combine & All Star game performances
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by The Night Owl on Jan 18, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
yea that is about were everybody is seeing him go.
I am just worried about level of competion he was up against. If he comes out of allstar game and really wow folks at combine, he could be a good one.
He went to Appalachin State
They’ve produce a few good NFL players as of late
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by The Night Owl on Jan 18, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Remember that time they beat Michigan
/looks at MDC
To be honest
I’m totally down for both trading up to get Blackmon or getting Sanu/Jones/Toon in the late 1st round. Either way I would be ecstatic.

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