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So it sucks the season's over (did it not fly by?) but lets hope the offseason comes and goes as fast as the 2011-2012 season seems like it did. Like most of our readers, I love the NFL draft. This love has only grown over the years as our team has gotten better and there were less and less gaping holes to fill.

This years draft will be more exciting than ever. Our front office has us in a position of great strength. The possibility of adding even more impact players in the top 3 rounds of the draft makes our squad that more TERRIFYING to the opposition. Not only that but with Wade showing his ability to assess defensive talent (Watt, Reed) and Kubes showing once again that he has a pretty good eye himself (Yates) we are sure to get a couple of new young studs to add to the Texans corral.

Since there is plenty of time to chat it up in between now and the draft, I thought I would ask what my fellow BRB-ers thought our main needs were, because in my opinion: there aren't many. I'll make a jump just to make it easier...

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Defense:

The obvious choices are CB2 and NT. However, I dont see us using a top 3 pick on another rookie CB when the roster is loaded with them right now and I dont see anyone that will be available when we pick that could do better than what we already have. Nor do I see the FO investing anymore money in the secondary through free agency. As far as NT goes, someone must be doing something right in the middle, as our rushing D looked as solid as any I have ever seen. Theres a possibility we could use a top 3 pick there but I just dont see it being our 1st rounder.

Other than that, where is there room on this defense for a player worth picking in the first couple rounds? I see no such opening. Safety? Demps played well I thought. ILB? maybe for depth if Meco cant get back to 100%.

Offense:

Here is where I see us spending our first two picks, although there is not a ton of room here either. I could see Kubes going one of two ways with our first: WR or OL. If Kubes has his eye on a lineman and he falls to us for some reason I wouldnt be surprised, nor mind if he pulled the trigger. We are lucky to have made it through the season with our whole Oline in tact, with only Brisiel missing minimal time. Other than that I would love to see a guy like Kendall Wright added to our offense. I think Kubes would have a boner drawing plays in his office to integrate him in to both the running and passing game. I could also see him going for more of a future WR1 route with a guy like Dwight Jones or Nick Toon.

Other than those spots I have no clue what to expect come late April. Lets have fun speculating!!!! GO TEXANS!!!

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Will Kubes draft another QB?

Or wil Delhomme be ok at running the Scout team

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by WreckNTexan on Jan 17, 2012 3:33 PM CST reply actions  

Delhomme is retiring

As of right now, Schaub/Yates look like 1-2 on the depth chart. Leinart will have to take less to be 3rd string or be cut. Maybe Kubes gives him a chance to compete w/ Yates in camp, but I don’t see it.

Can’t see a QB getting drafted unless it is another late-round flyer. I think until this year, Kubes preferred going with 2 QB’s on the 53-man (even though he’s gone w/ 3 the last 2 years), but we all definitely learned the importance of depth. We’ll see.

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by JayRedd on Jan 17, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we'll draft a QB in either the 6th or seventh

You need to bring at least 4 QB’s to training camp, and there is also no guarantee that Schaub will be ready for Training camp or the beginning of the season. I wouldn’t mind to see Case Keenum running the scout team/3rd team QB for us. You never know how things are gonna shake out with these kinda things. Who thought that TJ Yates would lead us to our first playoff win 9 months ago???

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by Drill Sarge on Jan 18, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I was on the same page as soon as I read your subject line

I have seen Keenum make some absolutely amazing throws that very few humans could make over his tenure at UH. His size is small concern but he is very mobile and seems like he could make some noise with Kubes’ tutelage.

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by theSpaceCityKid on Jan 19, 2012 7:36 AM CST up reply actions  

His size is more than a small concern: it is major.

He doesn’t have a big league arm, either. They might give him a look as a FA, but I doubt they’ll spend a pick on him.

I’m an alum so I love my Cougar QBs, but Case is another in a series of non-NFL-quality stat’ machines.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 19, 2012 8:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I think you've nailed it on the head for both

I think the only other things we might look at (much later in the draft, mind you) is a place kicker. Neil is looking weaker in the leg department, but that might have been due to the injury of Hartmann and the necessity of Neil taking kickoff duties. We’ll see; I wouldn’t be surprised if we did.

My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.

by f22a4bandit on Jan 17, 2012 3:35 PM CST reply actions  

I was surprised by turks ability other than the shank in sundays game to be consistently over 50 yds.

I wonder where he will be punting next year.

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by Taco Joe on Jan 17, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

It's like he recognized he's a punter or something

He came through when he needed to. He might actually retire, but we’ll see. I’m certain he won’t be back in Steel Blue next season.

My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.

by f22a4bandit on Jan 17, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Neil has never had the leg

to hit consistently from long distance. That’s nothing new.

I still prefer a vet in the long run. Rookie kickers can be unpredictable, no matter how good the leg is (Nick Folk comes to mind).

I’ll definitely be glad to have Hartmann back.

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by JayRedd on Jan 17, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

At the risk of being banned

I could see us drafting another TE. Not counting Thor, we only have OD, Dreesen, and Graham on the roster. I hope Thor finds a starting spot at FB. I would really like to see us try some 3 TE formations. Dwayne Allen from Clemson sounds good from what I have read about him.

by BleachBum on Jan 17, 2012 5:21 PM CST reply actions  

There's something to that actually

If I’m not mistaken, Dreessen is a FA (don’t know if it’s restricted). I like Graham, but want to see more of him first.

We definitely need more of Thor. I’d like him to remain in the hybrid position (it’s just more of a wrinkle), especially if we can upgrade Vickers.

I do like Allen. Depends on where his stock lies.

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by JayRedd on Jan 17, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

There are some good LB's in this draft

I think that’s the only position on defense we would go with our first rounder. NT and DB can be addressed later.

Worth noting: two of the top corners in this draft (Kirkpatrick and Jenkins) are hurting themselves w/ character red flags. You know how the FO feels about that.

Poe, Chapman, and Ta’amu are the top NT’s, and could be had in round 2 or later.

I too love the idea of Wright in this offense, but as others have pointed out here, his stock is climbing. And while I’m not on the Nick Toon bandwagon, a lot of us are.

OL: I’ve read Peter Konz mocked to us in round one. Cordy Glenn is another interesting prospect, but I’m not completely sold on him. If the right WR is on the board, that would be my preference.

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by JayRedd on Jan 17, 2012 5:26 PM CST reply actions  

I think Wade could spot a damn good LB prospect in a later rounds

We just need a tackling machine to improve special teams and add depth.

I dont think there is a chance in the world the FO spends another 1st on a CB since, despite the red flags, those guys you mention will be long gone. The secondary is what it is and I think its damn good. Give kareem and Allen another full offseason under Vance and Wade.

I want Chapman only because I want a piece of that Alabama D.

I think Wright has a very good shot of still being around, at least I hope.

Saw the Peter Konz mock and like I said, wouldnt mind that at all. Our OLine is a HUGE part of our greatness, and making that our strong point is something I can get on board with.

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by theSpaceCityKid on Jan 19, 2012 7:43 AM CST up reply actions  

WR and OG upgrades are genuine needs.

The draft is deep in the former, so we should get the right guy there, plus Lester Jean will be back for another shot.

At OG, the pickings are pretty slim after DeCastro. If he slides down it would be tempting to go get him, but not at the risk of missing the WR we badly need. OG will probably have to wait until the 2nd round.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 18, 2012 9:56 AM CST reply actions  

More D-linemen or OLB depending on the "Mario situation".

A team can never have enough talent in the front seven. Rotate those horses and terrorize opposing OLs.

by willieboyd on Jan 18, 2012 10:43 AM CST reply actions  

This is my idea of how the draft goes strictly on position, not projecting any specific players

1st – WR -Obvious
2nd – NT – Not sure if there’s many quality players at the position in the later rounds
3rd – OG – We need some depth here
4th – LB or FS/SS – Also need depth here
5th – WR – Looking for someone with speed & return skills here (and bigger than Holliday)
6th – RB – Need someone to replace Ward if he doesn’t come back
7th – FB – With Dreesen possibly gone, Casey might move back to TE, so we need a FB
Also we might look at a kicker from the undrafted rookies to bring in some young competition for Rackers

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"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Jan 18, 2012 12:29 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I see comments about needing LB depth

yet we have..

Starters: Mario Williams, Cushing, Reed, Barwin, Ryans

Depth: Sharpton, Braman, Alexander, Nading, Dobbins and Derrill Smith (Practice Squad)

That’s a pretty solid crew with depth at the LB position

by MeMongo on Jan 18, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

That 4th round pick going towards a LB is completely based on whether or not Mario comes back

If he’s back, use it on a safety. If not, use it on an OLB

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Jan 18, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Also, I'm sure we can find an upgrade over Nading

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Jan 18, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't forget the Cheese!!!

Cheta Ozugwu

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by Drill Sarge on Jan 18, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

you know this is what i can see.

no 1st round pick for us this year.
2nd- WR
2nd- NT
3rd- Wr
4th- OG
4th- S
5th-TE
6th- LB
7th-DL

by southpaw70 on Jan 18, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think the Texans are trading back this year

There’s not many holes to fill on the roster, & I don’t think they take a chance because their could be a big run on WRs at the top of the 2nd round

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Jan 18, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I really do think we will drop out of first round.

The only other thing i see us doing is a sign and trade with a top 5 draft pick for mario. That way we keep our other low 1st round pick too.

by southpaw70 on Jan 18, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Sign & trades don't happen in the NFL for a reason

It’s not worth it cause the team trading the player has to pay the bonus regardless. There’s no point in paying a player that won’t be on your team

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"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Jan 18, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to mention there would be a large penalty against the cap if you trade a player with a large bonus

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Jan 18, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

we really dont know what the new wording.

I am pretty sure they addressed all this stuff in the offseason.

by southpaw70 on Jan 18, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

That's one thing that won't change

A sign & trade has never been done in the NFL, & there won’t be one anytime soon

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Jan 18, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not financially responsible to do a sign & trade in the NFL

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Jan 18, 2012 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we may trade back specifically for that reason

We may do the old Bill Belichek, trade back into the 2nd round for a 1st rounder next year…

"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett

by Drill Sarge on Jan 18, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I really think so too.

we dont have a so call weakness on this team. yes we can upgrade but lets not forget, this team just did make the playoffs and won. that way we get more bodies in to compete.

by southpaw70 on Jan 19, 2012 7:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I like the idea of trading back

Trade your 1st round pick to a high drafting team. Get thier 2nd and a 4th round pick in return. There is enough wide recivers that you can get a good one in the second round that fits our needs that does not come from a big name school (Sanu ect).

I pretty much agree with Southpaw on how we draft. My only difference is

3rd: ILB, compete with sharpton and play special teams to improve blocking.
4th: OG/WR – the WR would be the kick returner/compete for a job in the rotation. Here you could look for guys that have lost value due to injury or from small schools and still get alot of vaule.

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by zegion on Jan 18, 2012 1:38 PM CST reply actions  

We are one injury away from Tim Bulman seeing major minutes at DE.

If Antonio or Watt goes down, Jamison starts instead of rotating in and Bulman rotates in for ~20 plays a game.

How soon we have forgotten what took this team to the playoffs. It was not a fancy-smancy passing attack with multiple deep threats. It was improvement in horrendous defensive personnel and an attacking scheme.

by willieboyd on Jan 18, 2012 5:34 PM CST reply actions  

Sanu/Poe

in round 1 and 2 will make me a happy man

by BC5 on Jan 18, 2012 8:24 PM CST reply actions  

Just my two cents

I think we resign Mario to a record guaranteed money type contract.
Then, we sign Foster (he deserves it!)
Then, Chris Myers. No way Kubiak lets him go when the Oline gels like they do.
Resign Ward (didnt do much this year, still serviceable)
Cut Jacoby (BYE.)
Cut Leinart (too injury prone)
Maybe a few others…
But, all in all most come back. So…
Our needs are now WR, and depth at all positions (most notably OL).
IF one of the top 5 WR’s falls to 27 I say we pick him. Hopefully it will be

Micheal Floyd, big physical WR, who has great hands and can run crisp routes (Jacoby never could)

Dwight Jones – BIg dude, has great speed, ups and hands.

Mohammed Sanu – not as fast, but big as well and great hands, good routes.

Hopefully, somehow, we come away with Floyd. But the other two will do as well. In the 2nd round we would serve best to grab either Best Player Available regardless of position, or backup (potential starting) OL.

Marvin McNutt is another possibility at WR for the 2nd round, if we go another way in the 1st.

NT is another one. But, personally I like Cody and the dynamic the DLine has right now.

by YohannDookeyblue on Jan 18, 2012 9:01 PM CST reply actions  

Franchise Mario

then trade him to move up and get Cleiborne!!! Use your #26 to grab Dwight Jones.
Through the rest of the rounds you just grab the best available and let them compete in camp. But i want Patrick Edwards in steel blue.

I drink your milkshake Eli!!!!!!!

by TexasOilman84 on Jan 18, 2012 10:56 PM CST reply actions  

Again

Claiborne = 4-3 DE. He’s not built like Mario and couldn’t switch to OLB as easily.

by SoCalTexan on Jan 18, 2012 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I have been saying this for awhile.

Nightowl has said a sign and trade has never been done in the NFL. Either way i hope we could do this

by southpaw70 on Jan 19, 2012 7:44 AM CST up reply actions  

O wait you said Franchise Mario

If we franchise him it will be harder to do a sign and trade that way.

by southpaw70 on Jan 19, 2012 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

You cant do a sign and trade in the NFL

because you are kinda making it obvious that you dont want the player and other GMs think “why wouldnt I just wait for you to cut him and get him anyways”

Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!

by theSpaceCityKid on Jan 19, 2012 7:52 AM CST up reply actions  

yes you can

Thats how the Dolphins picked up Reggie Bush. The only issue with sign and trades in the NFL is that all signing bonus money is due to the player at the time of the trade. In a franchise and trade, there is no signing bonus money. We lose our franchise tag ability, but the trade recipient is responsible for the salary and contract negotiations.

I drink your milkshake Eli!!!!!!!

by TexasOilman84 on Jan 19, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Good point

By the way is that twin peaks you at in your pic?

by southpaw70 on Jan 19, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

yes

corporate lunch at good ole twin peaks Webster.

I drink your milkshake Eli!!!!!!!

by TexasOilman84 on Jan 20, 2012 3:17 AM CST up reply actions  

gotcha

Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!

by theSpaceCityKid on Jan 19, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

No, that was a trade first, then he signed a new contract with the Dolphins

That’s different from a sign & trade. A sign & trade is where a guy resigns with a team then is traded off. The reason they do that in the NBA is because salaries have to match in trades. That’s not the case in the NFL, or else guys like Randy Moss or Santonio Holmes would have never gone for 4th & 5th round picks respectively

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Jan 20, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

from what I read

Bush agreed to the Dolphins contract first. Let me pull up some articles and post them, I could be wrong but who knows.

I drink your milkshake Eli!!!!!!!

by TexasOilman84 on Jan 20, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

The Senior Bowl has a lot of exciting players to watch

including
Dwight Jones
Nick Toon
Kendall Wright

Interesting later round prospects:
Marvin McNutt
Juron Criner
Joe Adams
Jeff Fuller

Also:
Almeda Ta’amu NT
Audie Cole LB
Ben Jones C
Mike Brewster C
Cordy Glenn G
Kelechi Osemele G
Kevin Zeitler G
Brad Smelley TE

Not a lot of the top OTs will be on display as most of the frontrunners at the position are not Seniors.

Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!

by theSpaceCityKid on Jan 19, 2012 8:08 AM CST reply actions  

fail

What do you guys think….*

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by theSpaceCityKid on Jan 19, 2012 8:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Swope will stay in college.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 19, 2012 8:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Interesting chatter I read on LZ's twitter feed today

engaging some debate about a sleeper first-round name: Coby Fleener, the Stanford TE.

As of right now, I’ve read mostly second-round grades on him, but there’s some buzz that the emergence of the elite pass-catching TE this year (Gronk, Graham, etc.) could make some mouths water and push him up.

I am personally against taking a TE in the first round in any year, but… with OD fighting some injuries and Dreessen set to hit RFA, Fleener might be worth a look. If we truly believe that the Texans don’t have a lot of needs and can go BPA, I wonder if this could be the direction we go.

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by JayRedd on Jan 19, 2012 5:52 PM CST reply actions  

No.

If God has any mercy, He will not allow this.

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-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Jan 19, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Or Cthulhu

he seems pretty reasonable

by BC5 on Jan 19, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

It would be a return to the Kubiak way to draft a TE

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Jan 20, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Anyone think it would be worth it to use a late round pick

on a guy like Patrick Edwards (in the case where we do not pick up Kendall Wright).

Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!

by theSpaceCityKid on Jan 20, 2012 7:45 AM CST reply actions  

Edwards showed resolve by coming back from a terrible injury,but I can’t find much about his measurables. What’s his 40 time?

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by FreedomRide on Jan 20, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

if he can be called in as a UDFA

then yes, dont think we can afford to toy around with picks.

by southpaw70 on Jan 20, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

RYAN BROYLES

2nd round talent you can get in the 4th, and is already a better PR and WR than Jacoby ever was or will be

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by AllenOU on Jan 20, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I like broyles too.

another guy joe adams from arkansas. The thing with broyles will he be ready?

by southpaw70 on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

If you mentioned jeff fuller

you dont deserve to have testicles. that guy is terrible

Id rather keep jacoby

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by AllenOU on Jan 20, 2012 11:24 AM CST reply actions  

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